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My only hope is this early knockout will spur the people above to do something (anything) to show they're actually serious about the betterment of the Pakistan cricket.

All along fans and pundits alike said this Pakistan side is lacking. It may not be the bowlers but the batsmen have got alot to answer for. The tactics by Saqlain and co has been nigh-on ice age cricket, and we've not moved on and this is what they deserve.

Regarding the selector, I do hope he's given his marching orders because he's been nothing short of inept throughout his tenure.

Ramiz Raja is also to blame for all the bluster, and no action.

If you can't make the changes to help the cricket in the country then you have no job being in that position.
 
lololol, the amonut of times ive seen this thread over the years. abandon all hope, ye who enter here.
 
Wishful thinking brother. This isn't the first time we have made an early exit. In fact, this is one of many. I don't think anything will come out of this. Ramiz Raja supports this 90's version of T20 cricket.
 
Blessing in disguise ... replaced by silver lining.
 
We were told by some “fans” that you can’t have an unfit player in the team. He’ll cost us runs with his poor fielding. Right now we probably have the fittest bunch of players whilst also having the worst fielding performances in the last year or so.

We were told by some fans that you can’t have a “fixer” in your team. Yet one fixer won us the CT trophy against our arch rivals. How many of those who said “you can’t have fixers” were cheering Amir’s name during THAT spell.

We were told by some fans that you can’t have a leg side hack in the team, unless he’s Rizwan.

We were told by some fans you need batsman who can move their feet. We’ve got that right now, how’s that going?

It’s a matter of time, Sharjeel Khan will be back in the team, and rightly so.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
We were told by some “fans” that you can’t have an unfit player in the team. He’ll cost us runs with his poor fielding. Right now we probably have the fittest bunch of players whilst also having the worst fielding performances in the last year or so.

We were told by some fans that you can’t have a “fixer” in your team. Yet one fixer won us the CT trophy against our arch rivals. How many of those who said “you can’t have fixers” were cheering Amir’s name during THAT spell.

We were told by some fans that you can’t have a leg side hack in the team, unless he’s Rizwan.

We were told by some fans you need batsman who can move their feet. We’ve got that right now, how’s that going?

It’s a matter of time, Sharjeel Khan will be back in the team, and rightly so.
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Forget unfit

There are guys who are carrying injuries in the team
 
80-90% of our losses are due to shambolic batting but nothing will be done as per usual
 
Pakisyan are not knocked out, yet. India could still lose to one to BD and beat ZIM and then it will come down to NRR.
 
The defeat against Ireland was enough embarrassment to invoke the mother of all silver linings. If nothing changed then, unlikely that we will see anything change now.
 
This early exit is very common in pakistan’s past 20 years history

Be it 2003 or 2007 or 2015 or 2019 plus 2014/16

List keeps going on.

One shall be thankful that via prayers they did win in 2009 and 2017 + test mace 2016

Because this 21st century has been nothing but disappointments in icc tournaments.
 
Nothing will change...this is Pakistan Cricket...there is ups ...there is a lot more downs, but we have to just take it as it is at face value. I love it for one...we all love this pain somewhat hence we are here year after year :).. Maybe somewhere in some gully or village there is a transformational player that can dominate on aussie pitches but finding him would be based on statistical luck in 200 million population...it will not be based on anything PCB actively did. Hence why I say nothing will change and im not mad at it anymore, it just is what it is. We just wait for the next Up this decade as that is about our going rate for famous test series wins and icc tourney wins. (Once in a decade)
 
Babar Azam being dismissed as captain in all formats will be a welcome change.
 
Turns out Inzamam ul Haq was in fact, the best Chief Selector we ever had.

Imagine having no pace-bowling all-rounder in a squad that was meant to compete in Australia. Not to mention the deadweight that is Khushdil Shah.
 
I've read some of the posts above & I was in the same boat where defeat used to sting me but something happened this year & it has changed for me alhamdulillah. While a defeat still leaves a sour taste, it really doesn't have any long-term impact on me.

It has also given me a new insight into watching matches of the Pakistani team and these are some of my takeaways from this renewed approach

1. Pakistani players have no idea what it takes to be international superstars. They don't have the mongrel in them to become elite players, they work as much as the team asks them (the bare minimum) & that's about it. I don't think they even watch any cricket on television & hence never learn anything from there.

2. Our coaching staff has let go of the strong fitness ethics that Mickey & Misbah tried to instill. There's also a lack of ownership; it was telling that after losing a match they sent in Shaun Tait to do the press conference in Lahore. There's also way too much InshAllah and alhamdulillah in the dressing room instead of self-evaluation & self-critique.

3. Game awareness is nonexistent in the players. We also don't have players who are street-smart. They also aren't aware of the rules of the game & just go with the flow. The moment they are put under pressure they unravel because they just don't have it in them to win mental battles. I do blame the players for this but I equally blame everyone around them as well as our media for that. This time last year they were being praised to the moon, this world cup they are being hounded by the media. Malik & Hafeez are two players who were in the dressing room last year are leading the charge against them which is hurtful because it feels like a betrayal.

4. This team is as good as it gets because we don't have any ready-made players available that we can fit in the team. The ones who didn't make it are worse or the same level & wouldn't have made any difference.

5. Babar Azam is tactically weak & the support system around him is weaker. They went to Melbourne knowing full well that they need four seam bowling options but ignored it & suffered. They played the entire England series with a focus on the now instead of taking it as a preparation for the world cup in just a few days. Last year they set themselves up for failure by ensuring that no matter what happens Hasan Ali will play & this year they made the mistake of not trying combinations that could work in Australia.

6. Our fans expect too much from the team. We went into a tournament after having never won a match in Australia & everyone expected us to win the world cup. The team went toe to toe with India & only lost because of bad team selection and a lack of game awareness at critical moments. This is sports, somedays the mistakes you make are forgiven but on others, life's not that lenient & we happened to run into a player who takes playing against Pakistan as a personal issue. The loss against Zimbabwe was bad but it happened because a player was so mentally afraid of losing because of his earlier performance that he mentally froze. I saw a game-side video of a fan showing how hampered Shaheen was on the last ball while running & I immediately thought how poor our management is that they couldn't send someone like Naseem who's fitter & also high on confidence.

7. Our players need to have mental health coaches around them now. I fear for their mental well-being because failure can be such a terrible thing to handle with all the scrutiny that there is. Why do we expect so much from our cricketers when literally mediocrity is all that we have in our culture & country? These are young players trying harder than most of us so they should be given some shielding & protection against the hard realities of sporting life. They should also be given some training on handling fame & money because outside cricket activities can have a deep impact on players.

8. Lastly, I feel that the teams that are ahead of us are actually better teams. England, Australia, New Zealand, India, and South Africa are actually much better teams than Pakistan in all forms of cricket. The batting revolution that these teams have embarked upon has left Pakistan behind. All of them have a couple if not more destructive players that can annihilate the opposition while we have nothing to show in this department. England have so many dangerous batters that it's laughable when you compare our batters with them. We need to change the way how we are training our players at lower levels & hope that one or two can actually come good in the next few years. The only player who sticks out for me is Saim Ayub but I'm yet to see him play against good bowlers. Haider has a massive problem playing bounce but I feel he's the only one who can play on a high tempo but his fitness is terrible so every day that passes, I lose my hope in him.
 
We need ex players who have genuine love for Pakistan and its betterment to be more involved at various levels whether its finding new talent or grooming existing. Sadly there are only 2 or 3 of them around like Misbah and Hafeez but they themselves are limited in thinking. Plus agree with above poster we need some serious mental coaches at grassroot levels. We lost the India match purely becos of mental meltdown
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
I've read some of the posts above & I was in the same boat where defeat used to sting me but something happened this year & it has changed for me alhamdulillah. While a defeat still leaves a sour taste, it really doesn't have any long-term impact on me.

It has also given me a new insight into watching matches of the Pakistani team and these are some of my takeaways from this renewed approach

1. Pakistani players have no idea what it takes to be international superstars. They don't have the mongrel in them to become elite players, they work as much as the team asks them (the bare minimum) & that's about it. I don't think they even watch any cricket on television & hence never learn anything from there.

2. Our coaching staff has let go of the strong fitness ethics that Mickey & Misbah tried to instill. There's also a lack of ownership; it was telling that after losing a match they sent in Shaun Tait to do the press conference in Lahore. There's also way too much InshAllah and alhamdulillah in the dressing room instead of self-evaluation & self-critique.

3. Game awareness is nonexistent in the players. We also don't have players who are street-smart. They also aren't aware of the rules of the game & just go with the flow. The moment they are put under pressure they unravel because they just don't have it in them to win mental battles. I do blame the players for this but I equally blame everyone around them as well as our media for that. This time last year they were being praised to the moon, this world cup they are being hounded by the media. Malik & Hafeez are two players who were in the dressing room last year are leading the charge against them which is hurtful because it feels like a betrayal.

4. This team is as good as it gets because we don't have any ready-made players available that we can fit in the team. The ones who didn't make it are worse or the same level & wouldn't have made any difference.

5. Babar Azam is tactically weak & the support system around him is weaker. They went to Melbourne knowing full well that they need four seam bowling options but ignored it & suffered. They played the entire England series with a focus on the now instead of taking it as a preparation for the world cup in just a few days. Last year they set themselves up for failure by ensuring that no matter what happens Hasan Ali will play & this year they made the mistake of not trying combinations that could work in Australia.

6. Our fans expect too much from the team. We went into a tournament after having never won a match in Australia & everyone expected us to win the world cup. The team went toe to toe with India & only lost because of bad team selection and a lack of game awareness at critical moments. This is sports, somedays the mistakes you make are forgiven but on others, life's not that lenient & we happened to run into a player who takes playing against Pakistan as a personal issue. The loss against Zimbabwe was bad but it happened because a player was so mentally afraid of losing because of his earlier performance that he mentally froze. I saw a game-side video of a fan showing how hampered Shaheen was on the last ball while running & I immediately thought how poor our management is that they couldn't send someone like Naseem who's fitter & also high on confidence.

7. Our players need to have mental health coaches around them now. I fear for their mental well-being because failure can be such a terrible thing to handle with all the scrutiny that there is. Why do we expect so much from our cricketers when literally mediocrity is all that we have in our culture & country? These are young players trying harder than most of us so they should be given some shielding & protection against the hard realities of sporting life. They should also be given some training on handling fame & money because outside cricket activities can have a deep impact on players.

8. Lastly, I feel that the teams that are ahead of us are actually better teams. England, Australia, New Zealand, India, and South Africa are actually much better teams than Pakistan in all forms of cricket. The batting revolution that these teams have embarked upon has left Pakistan behind. All of them have a couple if not more destructive players that can annihilate the opposition while we have nothing to show in this department. England have so many dangerous batters that it's laughable when you compare our batters with them. We need to change the way how we are training our players at lower levels & hope that one or two can actually come good in the next few years. The only player who sticks out for me is Saim Ayub but I'm yet to see him play against good bowlers. Haider has a massive problem playing bounce but I feel he's the only one who can play on a high tempo but his fitness is terrible so every day that passes, I lose my hope in him.
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Asia cup gave glimpses of what was coming but somehow media & people were not overly critical.

They almost choked chasing 130 v Afghanistan. They did not get away v Zimbabwe

Asia cup 2 matches v sri lanka our batting n bowlers n fielding was exposed. Sri lanka were 58/5 and bowlers went for cleaners.

It suggested mental block in team.
In the end we got exposed.
 
gougandacranes said:
i've read some of the posts above & i was in the same boat where defeat used to sting me but something happened this year & it has changed for me alhamdulillah. While a defeat still leaves a sour taste, it really doesn't have any long-term impact on me.

It has also given me a new insight into watching matches of the pakistani team and these are some of my takeaways from this renewed approach

1. Pakistani players have no idea what it takes to be international superstars. They don't have the mongrel in them to become elite players, they work as much as the team asks them (the bare minimum) & that's about it. I don't think they even watch any cricket on television & hence never learn anything from there.

2. Our coaching staff has let go of the strong fitness ethics that mickey & misbah tried to instill. There's also a lack of ownership; it was telling that after losing a match they sent in shaun tait to do the press conference in lahore. There's also way too much inshallah and alhamdulillah in the dressing room instead of self-evaluation & self-critique.

3. Game awareness is nonexistent in the players. We also don't have players who are street-smart. They also aren't aware of the rules of the game & just go with the flow. The moment they are put under pressure they unravel because they just don't have it in them to win mental battles. I do blame the players for this but i equally blame everyone around them as well as our media for that. This time last year they were being praised to the moon, this world cup they are being hounded by the media. Malik & hafeez are two players who were in the dressing room last year are leading the charge against them which is hurtful because it feels like a betrayal.

4. This team is as good as it gets because we don't have any ready-made players available that we can fit in the team. The ones who didn't make it are worse or the same level & wouldn't have made any difference.

5. Babar azam is tactically weak & the support system around him is weaker. They went to melbourne knowing full well that they need four seam bowling options but ignored it & suffered. They played the entire england series with a focus on the now instead of taking it as a preparation for the world cup in just a few days. Last year they set themselves up for failure by ensuring that no matter what happens hasan ali will play & this year they made the mistake of not trying combinations that could work in australia.

6. Our fans expect too much from the team. We went into a tournament after having never won a match in australia & everyone expected us to win the world cup. The team went toe to toe with india & only lost because of bad team selection and a lack of game awareness at critical moments. This is sports, somedays the mistakes you make are forgiven but on others, life's not that lenient & we happened to run into a player who takes playing against pakistan as a personal issue. The loss against zimbabwe was bad but it happened because a player was so mentally afraid of losing because of his earlier performance that he mentally froze. I saw a game-side video of a fan showing how hampered shaheen was on the last ball while running & i immediately thought how poor our management is that they couldn't send someone like naseem who's fitter & also high on confidence.

7. Our players need to have mental health coaches around them now. I fear for their mental well-being because failure can be such a terrible thing to handle with all the scrutiny that there is. Why do we expect so much from our cricketers when literally mediocrity is all that we have in our culture & country? These are young players trying harder than most of us so they should be given some shielding & protection against the hard realities of sporting life. They should also be given some training on handling fame & money because outside cricket activities can have a deep impact on players.

8. Lastly, i feel that the teams that are ahead of us are actually better teams. England, australia, new zealand, india, and south africa are actually much better teams than pakistan in all forms of cricket. The batting revolution that these teams have embarked upon has left pakistan behind. All of them have a couple if not more destructive players that can annihilate the opposition while we have nothing to show in this department. England have so many dangerous batters that it's laughable when you compare our batters with them. We need to change the way how we are training our players at lower levels & hope that one or two can actually come good in the next few years. The only player who sticks out for me is saim ayub but i'm yet to see him play against good bowlers. Haider has a massive problem playing bounce but i feel he's the only one who can play on a high tempo but his fitness is terrible so every day that passes, i lose my hope in him.
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potw.
 
The Pakistani team will always need a strict headmaster type coach, the players are not disciplined enough themselves to be professional
 
The only silver lining: Babar Azam might actually get sacked now. If there ever was a player unfit to be captain, it's him
 
We won hearts and gave the tournament long term memories. That's what matters and is the silver lining.
 
This part of the world, we won’t ever be able to succeed with the amount of league played in dead wickets.

The SENA countries will always be superior.

Unless they don’t choke this year it’s NZ or South Africa that seem most up for it.

India and England are the others that should be in the semis unless Zimbabwe or Bengali’s cause any upsets.
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
I've read some of the posts above & I was in the same boat where defeat used to sting me but something happened this year & it has changed for me alhamdulillah. While a defeat still leaves a sour taste, it really doesn't have any long-term impact on me.

It has also given me a new insight into watching matches of the Pakistani team and these are some of my takeaways from this renewed approach

1. Pakistani players have no idea what it takes to be international superstars. They don't have the mongrel in them to become elite players, they work as much as the team asks them (the bare minimum) & that's about it. I don't think they even watch any cricket on television & hence never learn anything from there.

2. Our coaching staff has let go of the strong fitness ethics that Mickey & Misbah tried to instill. There's also a lack of ownership; it was telling that after losing a match they sent in Shaun Tait to do the press conference in Lahore. There's also way too much InshAllah and alhamdulillah in the dressing room instead of self-evaluation & self-critique.

3. Game awareness is nonexistent in the players. We also don't have players who are street-smart. They also aren't aware of the rules of the game & just go with the flow. The moment they are put under pressure they unravel because they just don't have it in them to win mental battles. I do blame the players for this but I equally blame everyone around them as well as our media for that. This time last year they were being praised to the moon, this world cup they are being hounded by the media. Malik & Hafeez are two players who were in the dressing room last year are leading the charge against them which is hurtful because it feels like a betrayal.

4. This team is as good as it gets because we don't have any ready-made players available that we can fit in the team. The ones who didn't make it are worse or the same level & wouldn't have made any difference.

5. Babar Azam is tactically weak & the support system around him is weaker. They went to Melbourne knowing full well that they need four seam bowling options but ignored it & suffered. They played the entire England series with a focus on the now instead of taking it as a preparation for the world cup in just a few days. Last year they set themselves up for failure by ensuring that no matter what happens Hasan Ali will play & this year they made the mistake of not trying combinations that could work in Australia.

6. Our fans expect too much from the team. We went into a tournament after having never won a match in Australia & everyone expected us to win the world cup. The team went toe to toe with India & only lost because of bad team selection and a lack of game awareness at critical moments. This is sports, somedays the mistakes you make are forgiven but on others, life's not that lenient & we happened to run into a player who takes playing against Pakistan as a personal issue. The loss against Zimbabwe was bad but it happened because a player was so mentally afraid of losing because of his earlier performance that he mentally froze. I saw a game-side video of a fan showing how hampered Shaheen was on the last ball while running & I immediately thought how poor our management is that they couldn't send someone like Naseem who's fitter & also high on confidence.

7. Our players need to have mental health coaches around them now. I fear for their mental well-being because failure can be such a terrible thing to handle with all the scrutiny that there is. Why do we expect so much from our cricketers when literally mediocrity is all that we have in our culture & country? These are young players trying harder than most of us so they should be given some shielding & protection against the hard realities of sporting life. They should also be given some training on handling fame & money because outside cricket activities can have a deep impact on players.

8. Lastly, I feel that the teams that are ahead of us are actually better teams. England, Australia, New Zealand, India, and South Africa are actually much better teams than Pakistan in all forms of cricket. The batting revolution that these teams have embarked upon has left Pakistan behind. All of them have a couple if not more destructive players that can annihilate the opposition while we have nothing to show in this department. England have so many dangerous batters that it's laughable when you compare our batters with them. We need to change the way how we are training our players at lower levels & hope that one or two can actually come good in the next few years. The only player who sticks out for me is Saim Ayub but I'm yet to see him play against good bowlers. Haider has a massive problem playing bounce but I feel he's the only one who can play on a high tempo but his fitness is terrible so every day that passes, I lose my hope in him.
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Pretty much echoed my thoughts that I posted in reply to Markhor in

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...nual-struggles-in-Australia-our-home-pitches-!



Colorblind Genius said:
Don't agree.
We have the same pitches since 70 years now. And we have produced legendary cricketers from the same exact pitches (batsmen and bowlers) .
India has the same pitches - and they have a long list of producing legendary players - from the same pitches.

2 - Lack of a well organized school level cricket setup.
3 - Rampant corruption and dishonesty in our domestic cricket that is laced with grouping, politics and nepotism, and drugs/pedophilia.
4 - And then lack of actual coaching and training of the kids at school level, domestic level and national level by the people who have a record of making a difference to cope with the modern day fast paced cricket.

And the reason for the above is? The number ONE root cause?

Political and nepotism based appointments from the lowest of the lowest and highest of the highest level in PCB. It's THE MAJOR issue.

Whether it's a chai wala in the regional PCB cricket center in Peshawar or it's the head of PCB, there is not a single person who gets hired on merit, experience and a proven record of successful leadership skills or chai making skills.
The entire cricket board of 900+, is 100% full of incompetent employees.

If the board had the competent, honest and intelligent leadership, they would've used the resources to give a clear direction to the cricket by fixing the school level cricket, gut out the domestic cricket administration and placed extremely strict checks n balances in the domestic cricket to root out the filth of corruption and dishonesty.

Right now, the country stands at number 140 of the scale of honesty. So it's very, very hard to find honest people who are competent for their jobs and responsibilities.

You talk about pitches.
What's the big deal here?
I have talked about it my previous posts.
Get powdered form of marble and do a trial an error method of mixing it with the clay to make pitches till you refined the formula and know how much of hard mineral you need to have in the clay content of the pitch to make it pacey and bouncy on safe level?
Dubai has imported clay from different countries of the world to make pitches and simulate the playing environment in nets.

If an ordinary person like you and I can think of this, why can't those who get very highly paid to this job, think of it?
Dishonesty, incompetency and corruption is your answer.
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Colorblind Genius said:
I think the counter argument is,
Many of these current players have played all over the world in various cricket leagues - Pakistan has been playing away, with no home cricket, for more than a decade. We have played in all different kinds conditions and surfaces for so long in the last ten years that no other team has perhaps played this much away from home cricket, if we do the math on percentages.

You’d think they will be battle hardened by now?

And these current players also get advice from the greats of the past - Miandad, Wasim Waqar Inzi Yousuf Younus, and many foreigners etc - they all have worked with them - what else do we want?

Our records in Australia is one thing - but losing against Zim on any surface? Losing against India in such a horrible style?
If hardly serms to do anything with the pitch - it’s the lack of streets smartness, and match awareness, and an extreme lack of batting power/skill.

You got Shadab coming in at 4.
He is a bowling all rounder, I mean not even a batting all rounder, to plug the holes in the middle order.

Producing good batsmen is our Achilles Heel for quite sometime - but it can be made up with smart leadership and sharp Think Tank.

We don’t have honest and competent people to run the show.
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Colorblind Genius said:
And on the flip side of the coin, if you look towards a potential problem and it’s solution then you will notice that there is a huge “attitude and shifting of focus” problem in our players.

And the biggest reason they are able to hold the administration hostage is that they know that there is no bench strength.

Zero focus on fitness and self discipline.
Zero focus on the concept of continuous improvement to stay super competitive with rest of the world.

So, with a little bit of success, the focus shifts more towards raising collars in the field and giving on the ground sajdaas because they think this little success is the end of the world. While the administration and coaches beg them to stay fit, as the unfit and overweight players compare themselves with Rohit Sharma and Inzi.

We are forced to pick unfit players because we don’t have a proper bench strength and replacements.

And we come back to the same solution - our school cricket and domestic cricket should be overhauled from the filth, and fixed to produce a large number of well qualified players - which will simply trigger an environment of tough competition.

National team players should be kept on their toes to continuously improve as the bench strength will haunt them.

Guys on the bench, should always work hard to fill up that very little gap they have with the national team players to take their spots.

But right now, as Ramiz said, we don’t have Maradonas sitting on the bench.

Whatever langri Looli team we form, is the best product of our domestic cricket.

We take a donkey cart to compete in a formula 1 race and then beg for divine help or other teams to win or lose, so that we can accelerate in the tournament. Its such an irony that’s not even funny.
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We probably don't have any actionable item in our hands but what's your theoretical solution to the problem?
 
Another debacle upon us, selection committee should be disbanded, Saqlain and Moyo should be sacked with all benefits recouped, Babar to relieved as T20 Skipp. Players like Khusdil Haider and Iftikhar should be dropped for infinite time period.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
Pretty much echoed my thoughts that I posted in reply to Markhor in

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...nual-struggles-in-Australia-our-home-pitches-!










We probably don't have any actionable item in our hands but what's your theoretical solution to the problem?
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I'd incorporate a few things that are done in Sweden in our cricketing culture. Some of them are very similar to what you have stated in your posts

1. Encouraging good nutrition and diet for kids so they are not malnourished.

2. Provide better sporting facilities and coaching to young kids and give them the option to learn while they have fun. Every kid in Sweden has the chance to go play whatever sports that they prefer & even though the Swedish football team isn't the best in the world, it's still a pretty good team for the size of the population that's available at hand.

3. Ensure that sports people have the option to pursue their careers and make a decent living even if they don't make it to the top.

In Pakistan, we don't have any pathway that we can pursue to reach our cricketing ambition. I wasn't an elite sportsperson but I had a decent amount of talent, however, there was no option for me to take up cricket as an option (I have been recorded to bowl at speeds around 84 mph without much training). The only option for me was to get into a university, get a degree, & find a job & I did that leaving my dream behind. There are no proper sporting scholarships at the university level & this becomes a problem because a lot of mental strength & intelligence go out of our cricketing pool. I mean look at the USA, they have an entire sporting sub-culture that feeds directly into their big leagues & all of that is managed by universities.

My biggest takeaway is that modern sport is more science and less fun. You need to provide kids with expensive equipment & a lot of training at a very young level for them to take up sports if you wish for sustained success. As of now the only reason we are able to compete is that we are a one-sports nation & we really have some insanely talented natural athletes. That's why I feel for our players, whatever success they manage, it's not because of the system but it's despite the system & for that, it's kudos to them.
 
There is no silver lining as a Pakistan fan apart from 2012 to 2017. This century has mainly comprised of pain, misery and heartache. Don't expect it to change soon.
 
Some serious questions need to be asked before we talk about how to improve Pakistan cricket. This involves all the major stakeholders (players, board, regional boards, coaches etc). Questions such as:

1. What is working?
2. What isn't working?
3. Where are we vs where do we want to be?
4. Rank our list of things we need to do get to where we want to be and put them in order of steps or priority
5. Build a roadmap to our goal

With regards to Pakistan cricket, it's clear the two major weaknesses in T20 cricket is a poor middle order, a lack of power-hitters overall and a decent fast-bowling all-rounder is probably a nice to have.

It's clear for the first two of those things, we don't have solutions that already exist. So then you need to ask yourself, how you can create those. No need to reinvent the wheel. Look at India and England in the last 10 years. What can we learn from them? What is replicable?

For the fast-bowling all-rounder. Look at the current talent pool and see what can be done with it. It seems like Shaheen & Wasim have shown some promise with the bat. How much can that be tapped into. It's clear, Hassan Ali didn't want to develop his batting.

Of course, outside of that there are also other things to factor in. Like openers, one-down, and spinners. But those along with the fast-bowlers are not the immediate priority.

Also for anyone asking the team to be gutted, then you have to be patient with the gut. You can't have overhaul changes while continuing to get results.
 
I think Mohammad Wasim is a certainty to be axed.

Can Ramiz hang onto his role? Well he has influential backers, but even they will be struggling to support him at the moment.

Saqlain Mushtaq has a few months of his contract left, I'm pretty sure he'll be gone fairly quickly.

Nadeem Khan is another who needs removing from his post.
 
Saj said:
I think Mohammad Wasim is a certainty to be axed.

Can Ramiz hang onto his role? Well he has influential backers, but even they will be struggling to support him at the moment.

Saqlain Mushtaq has a few months of his contract left, I'm pretty sure he'll be gone fairly quickly.

Nadeem Khan is another who needs removing from his post.
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Is there something about Mohammad Wasim you can share that we aren't privy to?

To me he has come across as a good chief selector overall. His selections have improved our fast-bowling reserves. He has so far given the right people opportunities.

There are less and less people who are playing because their father-in-law, uncle or whatever is employed by PCB. And more people who one way or another warranted selection.

Obviously, no one is perfect but he has probably been the best chief selector I've seen. He is also not out of touch with the cricket being played.

The following people probably need to go though: Saqlain, Yousuf and maybe Ramiz.
 
Who should be the next captain then?
Shadab looks way too immature as a captain and doesn't have that natural leader vibe to him either.

We need someone well educated too who can at least speak proper english without getting embarrassed 😳
 
Saj said:
I think Mohammad Wasim is a certainty to be axed.

Can Ramiz hang onto his role? Well he has influential backers, but even they will be struggling to support him at the moment.

Saqlain Mushtaq has a few months of his contract left, I'm pretty sure he'll be gone fairly quickly.

Nadeem Khan is another who needs removing from his post.
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It should be a foreign coach, western minded.

Mudassar Nazar needs to be back in some capacity within PCB hierarchy.

Rameez Raja who is more of Sales, Marketing and PR guy needs to be axed and Zaheer Abbas should be appointed as Chairman PCB. Yes age will be an issue but he can certainly serve well for 2 years.

As in the next 2 years 3 ICC events are happening

1) June 2023 ICC world test championship final
2) ODI World cup in india Nov 2023
3) june 2014 T20 world cup West indies.

Imad wasim needs to be brought back into team.
New chief selector should be Inzamam ul haq.

Mohammad wasim shall be axed as selector.

Batting coach should be younus khan.
Mohammad yusuf shall be axed as batting coach.

Babar shall be retained as Test captain.

For limited overs, new captain can be considered.
 
KamranDestiny said:
Who should be the next captain then?
Shadab looks way too immature as a captain and doesn't have that natural leader vibe to him either.

We need someone well educated too who can at least speak proper english without getting embarrassed 😳
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Says everything there isn't a single elite cricketer competent in English
 
Pakistan have had silver linings and blessings in disguise in non-stop supply since 2003. Hasn't helped them much.
 
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