Since CT17, Hardik Pandya and Bhuvneshwar Kumar average more than 40 with the ball!

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Kuldeep bowled extremely well in the earlier matches. Even in the last 2 matches he bowled well, but there was no support whatsoever!

You can't expect to win in England, when 2 out of 3 seamers average(in last 1 year) 40+ (Hardik) and 42+(Bhuvaneshwar) at ~ 5.5, with a sample size of 20 and 26 matches respectively.

Even if u consider last 2 years, it's 40+ for both.

We often say Bhuvi is used to contain runs, but containment with an economy of 5.43??


Shame that a loser who hides when attacked by Bairstow, and comes back when he's out, opens the bowling for us. That tells a lot about his attitude, so much for a new ball bolwer. He averages "42.75" in last year or so, worse than Pandya and with similar economy.

And the least said about the back up, the better

 

[Savak]

I sometimes get the feeling that India because it is such a power batting house and that they have immense confidence to chase any total in the world or to pile consistent 350-400 scores on the board, tend to neglect the bowling averages and economy rate of the bowlers.

Funny enough, Pakistan has the complete opposite problem. So bowling dependent the side is that the averages and strike rates of the batsmen end up being ignored.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Not surprised at all. I don't even consider Pandya a bowler. Even Ajay Jadeja used to roll his arm for few overs and get wickets. Doesn't mean he was a bowler. Ganguly was a smarter bowler than this Pandya guy.

Bhuvi loves containing but we need bowlers who can run through batting line ups.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Not surprised at all. I don't even consider Pandya a bowler. Even Ajay Jadeja used to roll his arm for few overs and get wickets. Doesn't mean he was a bowler. Ganguly was a smarter bowler than this Pandya guy.

Bhuvi loves containing but we need bowlers who can run through batting line ups.

Bumrah and Kuldeep are the only ones who are carrying this bowling.

It's shocking when ur front line bowler, averages almost 43.

We saw today how he contained. I am not saying, bowlers won't have bad days. But how cheap can u be to hide, when the batsmen are hitting u.

He left and sent in a newbie Thakur to get the beating, and came back after Bairstow got out. That's a loser mentality. Got really upset by that.

His negative line already costed us the CT

 

[Slim]

Not shocked to see that. Indian bowlers have a small shelf life. Ashish Nehra (Respect!) and Zaheer were exceptions. Other than that the trundler factory produces numerous trundlers who come and go without notice.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Not shocked to see that. Indian bowlers have a small shelf life. Ashish Nehra (Respect!) and Zaheer were exceptions. Other than that the trundler factory produces numerous trundlers who come and go without notice.

Srinath was also a good bowler. His bowling in the last few years was exceptional. He used his experience and lead the bowling attack in 2003 World Cup and took india to finals.

 

[Titan24]

I have said it multiple times to posters who say India has really good bowling attack to see career averages of Pandya and Bhuvenshwar. When two of your bowlers are this less effective then you cant say your bowling attack the be the best.

Credit to India is that even with limited resources they complement each other reasonably well and perform as a unit which is sometimes good enough to perform better then the best bowling attacks. But, both Pandya and Bhuvi are nothing special. People sometimes judge few of their performances when their batsmen have put high total on board without realizing these two are not good enough to defend 270 let alone a lower total.

Bumrah is good at death but needs to improve his new ball and mainly middle overs skills as he doesnt know how to reverse the ball, dont know if its even possible with his action.

Kuldeep Yadav is a really good prospect but will get to know by the time of the world cup if he has more to him than just the surprise factor for the teams playing him first time. I beleive he has good head on his shoulders but how good he uses it when the batsmen know his variations will be the critical thing to know in the upcoming months before world cup.

Chahal is a decent leg spinner but I dont rate him as highly as many others do. He is someone who can be taken to cleaners when the other bowlers are also under pressure. Not someone who can grip the game by the neck.

 

[TeamPak95]

Not surprised at all. I don't even consider Pandya a bowler. Even Ajay Jadeja used to roll his arm for few overs and get wickets. Doesn't mean he was a bowler. Ganguly was a smarter bowler than this Pandya guy.

Bhuvi loves containing but we need bowlers who can run through batting line ups.

Idk what home series' India have before Australia tour but you think the time is nigh for Nagarkotti and/or Mavi to debut? I don't see why not as Pakistan have already brought in Shaheen into the ranks.

 

[Slim]

Srinath was also a good bowler. His bowling in the last few years was exceptional. He used his experience and lead the bowling attack in 2003 World Cup and took india to finals.

I was very young when Srinath used to play cricket but yes without doubt right there next to the likes of Nehra, Zaheer.

 

[Titan24]

Not shocked to see that. Indian bowlers have a small shelf life. Ashish Nehra (Respect!) and Zaheer were exceptions. Other than that the trundler factory produces numerous trundlers who come and go without notice.

Yes but unfortunately both of Zaheer and Nehra got to know their game well at later stages of their career. Zaheer in his last 2-3 years was a treat to watch.

 

[Slim]

Idk what home series' India have before Australia tour but you think the time is nigh for Nagarkotti and/or Mavi to debut? I don't see why not as Pakistan have already brought in Shaheen into the ranks.

I am actually excited to see them try both bowlers. They might help them in the upcoming WC. Indian selectors need to show some urgency and some indian fans need to get off their fake high pedestals and accept reality that their bowling stocks are dire.

 

[Saj]

Pandya in the ODI series against England:

22.3 - 156 - 1

Average 156
Economy 6.93

 

[sam_ahm]

Never considered Pandya to be a batsmen or a bowler, a typical bits and pieces player, I knew he will get exposed today or tomorrow.

I'm OK with Bhuvi, he needs a longer rope. However, India should keep rotating between Bhuvi and Umesh based on the type of pitch and conditions once Bumrah is back.

 

[Titan24]

Idk what home series' India have before Australia tour but you think the time is nigh for Nagarkotti and/or Mavi to debut? I don't see why not as Pakistan have already brought in Shaheen into the ranks.

Mavi didnt show much in the IPL I guess, I havent watched it closely so correct me if I am wrong while Nagarkoti seems to be injured all the time. Indian fans would be hoping he doesnt become another Varun Aaron.

 

[Slim]

Yes but unfortunately both of Zaheer and Nehra got to know their game well at later stages of their career. Zaheer in his last 2-3 years was a treat to watch.

Yes, definitely. His swing bowling was quality. But my favorite will always be Nehra jee. The unsung hero of WC 2011, damn shame how he was forgotten after that by the Indian board.

 

[Slim]

Never considered Pandya to be a batsmen or a bowler, a typical bits and pieces player, I knew he will get exposed today or tomorrow.

I'm OK with Bhuvi, he needs a longer rope. However, India should keep rotating between Bhuvi and Umesh based on the type of pitch and conditions once Bumrah is back.

Pandaya and Faheem are branches of the same tree. Massively over-rated and nothing to show for right now. Pandaya is better in batting and Faheem is better in bowling but overall both are over-rated.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

People, it's of no use discussing nehraji, Zaheer and Srinath now. We need to discuss Thakur, Bhuvaneshwar and Pandya.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Pandya in the ODI series against England:

22.3 - 156 - 1

Average 156
Economy 6.93

Beats me why this joke is compared to Faheem as a bowler. Pandya is a batsman who can roll his arm over. India trying to turn him into a front line bowler won't change that

 

[Saj]

Kumar is ok if the ball is doing something and conditions are in his favour.

If there is no swing, then he reminds me of a county bowler, medium pace and largely cannon foddder.

 

[Slim]

Beats me why this joke is compared to Faheem as a bowler. Pandya is a batsman who can roll his arm over. India trying to turn him into a front line bowler won't change that

Only if Faheem shows hes half as good as the hype in batting then Pandaya will be a no comparison.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Kumar is ok if the ball is doing something and conditions are in his favour.

If there is no swing, then he reminds me of a county bowler, medium pace and largely cannon foddder.

And u don't get those conditions in this time.

He averages 40+ in last 1 year
Averages 40+ in last 2 years
Averages 40+ in last 3 years. If anything his economy is getting worse as well.

It's just an assumption that he does something when ball is doing something. When ball didn't do anything 3 years, why will it do now?

 

[Slim]

People, it's of no use discussing nehraji, Zaheer and Srinath now. We need to discuss Thakur, Bhuvaneshwar and Pandya.

BV is good but too inconsistent nowadays and afraid to say that he might be near his end of indian bowler shelf life.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Only if Faheem shows hes half as good as the hype in batting then Pandaya will be a no comparison.

Give him time. Its becoming increasingly obvious he'll never be a proper batter. Pre-meditates a lot

 

[Hasan123]

Pandaya should concentrate on his batting that's where he has shown his potential. Bhuvi is useless in the middle overs . India should stick with him but I think Shami and Yadav should be given more games.

 

[Slim]

Give him time. Its becoming increasingly obvious he'll never be a proper batter. Pre-meditates a lot

In a year, he will be out of the team then if he doesnt solves this.

 

[Saj]

And u don't get those conditions in this time.

He averages 40+ in last 1 year
Averages 40+ in last 2 years
Averages 40+ in last 3 years. If anything his economy is getting worse as well.

It's just an assumption that he does something when ball is doing something. When ball didn't do anything 3 years, why will it do now?

Horrible stats and good work by you.

He seems to have lost that lovely outswing and the ability to surprise the batsman with an inswinger.

 

[TeamPak95]

Mavi didnt show much in the IPL I guess, I havent watched it closely so correct me if I am wrong while Nagarkoti seems to be injured all the time. Indian fans would be hoping he doesnt become another Varun Aaron.

I'm just throwing their names out there mainly because of their performances in the U19 WC. The main headlines I heard about them was the rapid pace that each were bowling at, Nagarkotti especially. If they can maintain their fitness and are given games, I think both can bring in that wicket-taking mentality into India's fast bowling arsenal. It's either this or stick with the quicks you have, so I guess there's really no point in Indian fans worrying about duplicate Aarons as, fast bowling wise, there isn't much else to look into (as far as I know).

 

[Slim]

Pandaya should concentrate on his batting that's where he has shown his potential. Bhuvi is useless in the middle overs . India should stick with him but I think Shami and Yadav should be given more games.

India needs bowlers and not batters as higher priority.

Pandaya should focus on bowling and should at least try to be a 5th/6th bowling option.

 

[Usman Chadda]

In a year, he will be out of the team then if he doesnt solves this.

Plays Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and England in the coming year. Ample opportunties to prove his credentials

 

[TeamPak95]

I am actually excited to see them try both bowlers. They might help them in the upcoming WC. Indian selectors need to show some urgency and some indian fans need to get off their fake high pedestals and accept reality that their bowling stocks are dire.

Yeah, totally agree. Fast-bowling wise, I don't think there's really much to look into other than their new crop of fast bowlers from U19 WC 2018.

 

[Hasan123]

India needs bowlers and not batters as higher priority.

Pandaya should focus on bowling and should at least try to be a 5th/6th bowling option.

Indian middle order doesn't look good. Look at the performances of Dhoni and Raina in this series.

 

[babajee]

Bhuvi’s stats also include a bag of wickets including a 5fer against the mighty SL

 

[Slim]

Plays Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and England in the coming year. Ample opportunties to prove his credentials

Well, i hope for our sake, he performs.

Yeah, totally agree. Fast-bowling wise, I don't think there's really much to look into other than their new crop of fast bowlers from U19 WC 2018.

Exactly but there is a big risk of them turning out to be next Yadav/Aaron Varons. Scary thoughts for an indian fan.

Indian middle order doesn't look good. Look at the performances of Dhoni and Raina in this series.

Indian team is in a bad state. I kept on harping about how India is reliant on top 3 and has tons of dead weight with a mediocre bowling line up. Yet it went over majority's head. Sigh. Well, Pandaya needs to show a lot to show that he is what he is hyped about.

 

[Titan24]

It's just an assumption that he does something when ball is doing something. When ball didn't do anything in 3 years, why will it do now?

Lol! Good one bro.

 

[The_Odd_One]

I thought the bowling gap between India and Pakistan was as wide as their batting gap, no?

 

[dauntless]

Not surprising they both are pretty along with all other trundlers India is producing. Only that ugly action guy is decent one. I m not sure about u-19 guys.They are short guys. Hopefully they debut khaleel Ahmed soon who has everything to be successful. He has height,pace and skills. He is left hander too.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Basically, India has found their own Anwar Ali in Hardik Pandya.

 

[giri26]

The sooner India realise that Pandya isn't the third seamer India is looking for, the better. India needs to play 3 regular pace bowlers. If they want an all rounder, replace Chahal will Krunal Pandya as the second spinner. This will give India a bowling all rounder and also a 5th bowler. Pandya isn't a reliable batsman as well.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

BV is good but too inconsistent nowadays and afraid to say that he might be near his end of indian bowler shelf life.

What do u mean by "nowadays"?

He averages 40+ in last one year at 5.45, averages 40+ in last 2 years at 5.26, and averages 40+ in last 3 years(didn't see his economy tho).

He neither has a good average nor the economy that he's accompanied with. If anything his average is worse than Pandya (who himself is a nothing bowler, but atleast gives some runs) and economy similar to Pandya.

 

[Sam99]

I have made same thread year ago but sadly no indians want to agree with me.

His avg vs top Team in odis is:

Aus - 64 (12 matchs)
South Africa - 53 (13 matchs)
England - 53 (14 matchs)
New Zealand - 48 (8 matches)

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I have made same thread year ago but sadly no indians want to agree with me.

His avg vs top Team in odis is:

Aus - 64 (12 matchs)
South Africa - 53 (13 matchs)
England - 53 (14 matchs)
New Zealand - 48 (8 matches)

Nice batting average. What more do you want?

 

[Sam99]

Nice batting average. What more do you want?

Yeah pretty bradman like stats isn't it? but sadly in bowling dept

 

[shaaik]

I was very young when Srinath used to play cricket but yes without doubt right there next to the likes of Nehra, Zaheer.

It's a grave injustice to mention Srinath and Nehra in the same sentenc. Srinath is the best pace bowler India has produced post 1990. Even the great Zaheer Khan (Indian standards) was an inferior bowler to him who only blosommed in the later part of his career when he learnt to reverse swing the ball from wasim akram..

 

[Hermoine Green]

Basically, India has found their own Anwar Ali in Hardik Pandya.

Actually they have found Anwar "Main khelta rahonga" Ali
Not only Anwar Ali.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Bhuveneshwar is very overrated as an ODI bowler.

 

[the Great Khan]

i think its unfair to compare Faheem and Pandya. Faheem has played a few test matches in England but overall isnt as experienced. Lets see how Pandya does in the test series and then I'll reserve my judgement. I think Faheem has more potential and will , if he keeps doing the right things, surpass Pandya..

 

[hadi123]

B Kumar is good when the conditions suit him but if the pitch is flat, he is naturally going to get smashed as he doesn't have the pace. That's probably the case for all bowlers like Kumar, I'm sure if Mohammad Abbas played ODI's/T20I's, he'd do good when conditions suit him but would also get smashed on flatter pitches.

 

[Slim]

What do u mean by "nowadays"?

He averages 40+ in last one year at 5.45, averages 40+ in last 2 years at 5.26, and averages 40+ in last 3 years(didn't see his economy tho).

He neither has a good average nor the economy that he's accompanied with. If anything his average is worse than Pandya (who himself is a nothing bowler, but atleast gives some runs) and economy similar to Pandya.

My bad, i was trying to be not harsh but looks like Indian bowling is utter trash.

 

[ManFan]

Pandya Sobers and Waqar Kumar are just out of form.

I back them to come good.

 

[iPakistani]

People saying Pandya is an allrounder are lying to you. This man is terrible with the ball and is living off that one match he had against England in the test series.

Pandya is a batsman who can bowl a bit.

 

[troodon]

People saying Pandya is an allrounder are lying to you. This man is terrible with the ball and is living off that one match he had against England in the test series.

Pandya is a batsman who can bowl a bit.

Who can escape punishment from Gayle? He is in terrific form and everything is disappearing. Even Brhrendorf was brutalized.

 

[iPakistani]

Who can escape punishment from Gayle? He is in terrific form and everything is disappearing. Even Brhrendorf was brutalized.

He averages 39 with the ball in ODIs. Tendulkar averages 44.

 

[troodon]

He averages 39 with the ball in ODIs. Tendulkar averages 44.

Pandya is still the best allrounder we got. Who is his replacement? Vijay Shankar? He is even worse with the ball.

I still believe if Hardik can bowl his quota at 6 RPO at WC, he has done his job. We all know he can be a great accelerator at the end of the innings.

 

[iPakistani]

Pandya just ate 25 off that over at the death, finishes 4 overs 2-57.

Pandya is a bowler on the same level as Hussain Talat.

 

[troodon]

Pandya just ate 25 off that over at the death, finishes 4 overs 2-57.

Pandya is a bowler on the same level as Hussain Talat.

Pandya is a decent 5th bowler in ODI's. He can easily slip in 5-6 overs in ODI's while going at 6 RPO. That is something India never had in the past 25 yrs.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pandya just ate 25 off that over at the death, finishes 4 overs 2-57.

Pandya is a bowler on the same level as Hussain Talat.

He is a bits and pieces cricketer. Will play that one good inning or bowl one good spell once per 8 innings and keep his place in the team intact. These types of players never fulfill the expectations and hype of fans.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pandya is a decent 5th bowler in ODI's. He can easily slip in 5-6 overs in ODI's while going at 6 RPO. That is something India never had in the past 25 yrs.

In ODI's?

Ganguly had 100 wkts in ODIs with an avg of 38 and an economy of 5.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

In ODI's?

Ganguly had 100 wkts in ODIs with an avg of 38 and an economy of 5.

What about bhuvneshwar kumar.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

So basically bhuvi is a pandya level bowler and not even half the batsman pandya is. He should not be selected.

 

[iPakistani]

So basically bhuvi is a pandya level bowler and not even half the batsman pandya is. He should not be selected.

Slightly better bowler than Pandya, however Pandya's batting is far superior to Bhuvis therefore Pandya offers more to the team.

Kuldeep/Chahal/Bumrah/Shami should be the attack.

 

[giri26]

Bhuvi this year has been good in the ODIs he has played but I agree that Pandya, Bumrah, Shami should be India's three pacers in the WC with Kuldeep and Chahal being the spinners.

Bhuvi has 19 wickets at 22.36 in 10 games this year since Jan of 2019. The recent form is all it matters. Shami has 19 in 11, Kuldeep has 20 in 11 and Chahal has 16 in 7 games. Bumrah hasn't played much and has 7 in 5 games. So all of them are in reasonably good form in ODIs before going into the IPL.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Now please check the averages of Aamir, Hasan and Junaid after CT and remove the stats against Zimbabwe D .

 

[Hasan123]

Shami will start ahead of Kumar in the WC.

 

[JattMaula]

Shami will start ahead of Kumar in the WC.

Shami should absolutely start ahead of bhuvi. He has breathed more fire than Drogon last 18 months.

 

[Hasan123]

Shami should absolutely start ahead of bhuvi. He has breathed more fire than Drogon last 18 months.

He has been in good form in ODIs and doing well in the IPL. Shami will start at the World Cup.

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

Now please check the averages of Aamir, Hasan and Junaid after CT and remove the stats against Zimbabwe D .

Good, go in the search box & write this. You will find hundred thread where Pakistanis express their concerns over the performances amir Junaid & hassan. Anyway, this is traditional way of you peoples to drag Pakistanis everywhere.