So all this while some said that Mickey Arthur was the reason for Pakistan's demise in Tests

[MenInG]

I am looking at the scorecard of the 1st Day of the 1st between South Africa and Sri Lanka and wondering if those who had a beef against Mickey Arthur about he was destroying Pakistan cricket were probably living on a different planet!

 

[szrana007]

Under Arthur Pakistan's test record was not good. Lost to SL 0-2 in UAE in 2017, to NZ 1-2 in UAE in 2018 and lost 0-3 in SA in 2019.

 

[Markhor]

Mickey will take Sri Lankan cricket north, Misbah is taking Pakistan cricket south.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan had the resources to beat Sri Lanka and New Zealand in the UAE series in 2017 and 2018 but Mickey kept picking the wrong team.

SL have some technically excellent young batsmen. They have a strong school cricket culture and most of their batsmen are technically decent. Mickey and Sri Lanka seem like a good fit. They are a more coachable side than Pakistan.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Mickey is a coach for SENA. He knows exactly what needs to be done to defeat them on their soil. There's a matter of execution too though. Apart from Shan and Babar, no one stood up. We could have won there too. Look at Sri Lanka, all their batsmen have contributed. Excellent viewing.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Sri Lanka lost a series to Pakistan away, drew 1-1 at home to NZ and struggled to win the series vs Zimbabwe. Mickey has actually worsened their team.

 

[in_cutter]

Under Arthur Pakistan's test record was not good. Lost to SL 0-2 in UAE in 2017, to NZ 1-2 in UAE in 2018 and lost 0-3 in SA in 2019.

And that is the fault of coach? Mickey or not, SA have been hammering us for two decades in their backyard...don’t even mention Aus.

A coach can only do so much. This is what some of the deluded ‘Mickey out’ fans should realise.

 

[Markhor]

Sri Lanka lost a series to Pakistan away, drew 1-1 at home to NZ and struggled to win the series vs Zimbabwe. Mickey has actually worsened their team.

Mickey wasn't coach for the 1-1 vs NZL. What are the results under the world renowned coach Misbah ?

 

[MenInG]

Run rate of 4 on Day 1 - 340/6

 

[aloo paratha]

Mickeys problem was at home. He was hell bent on playing only one specialist spinner.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Mickey has no idea how to play in Asia. Excellent coach for SENA conditions.

Misbah is the complete opposite. Plays Yasir Shah on day 1 in the worst country for spinners in the last decade, but also creates a fortress in the UAE with some pretty meagre resources.

Difference is, Mickey is a better limited overs coach (though still not particularly fantastic) and can at least give talents like Babar Azam the backing they need.

I worry for Haider Ali.

 

[Shazzam]

Mickey even at his worst is better than Misbah.

 

[Abdullah Rabbani]

Pakistan had the resources to beat Sri Lanka and New Zealand in the UAE series in 2017 and 2018 but Mickey kept picking the wrong team.

SL have some technically excellent young batsmen. They have a strong school cricket culture and most of their batsmen are technically decent. Mickey and Sri Lanka seem like a good fit. They are a more coachable side than Pakistan.

Never forget this mickey's blunder *******

 

[Hasan123]

Posters like saying Sri Lanka cricket is finished. How stupid that looks now.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Posters like saying Sri Lanka cricket is finished. How stupid that looks now.

They’re playing South Africa. Once Rabada and De Kock are finished SA will be the next Zimbabwe.

 

[Nasty Naz]

After the MisYou retired, the remaining core players like Azhar/Shafiq/Yasir all just good too old and declined.

Mickey made blunders in Test series as well and doing stupid things like playing one spinner and three pacers in UAE.

Frankly speaking, there is simply not much talent. Maybe when some of the young guys fully develop that will change but over the past three years, it's been mediocre openers, mediocre middle of the order batsmen and no bowler has even been decent outside of Shaheen & Abbas. Babar might be the only good batsmen in the lineup and everybody else just looks mediocre.

For a Test team to be great, you need guys who could be match winners and completely change the game with a 5 wicket haul or score a big hundred and there's simply not enough players on the team who could do that.

 

[Hasan123]

They’re playing South Africa. Once Rabada and De Kock are finished SA will be the next Zimbabwe.

No they aren't . Pakistan aren't beating South Africa in South Africa btw.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

No they aren't . Pakistan aren't beating South Africa in South Africa btw.

Historically, Pakistan play better in SA than they do in New Zealand. We would’ve whitewashed this current SA team.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Mickey made some mistakes but to blame him for Pakistan's shortcomings in Tests is absolutely misplaced.

He is unquestionably Pakistan's best coach since Woolmer.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Historically, Pakistan play better in SA than they do in New Zealand. We would’ve whitewashed this current SA team.

Lol no you dont. You have always played better in New zealand and England, historically.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

They’re playing South Africa. Once Rabada and De Kock are finished SA will be the next Zimbabwe.

In ur dreams, they do have a good domestic cricket to back them and produce players.

Markram, Klassen, Reeza Hendricks, Nortje, Dussen, pretorius they all are good.

They also had a youngster named zubayr Hamza who looked good in his test debut against Pakistan last time. not in the squad now but one for the future.

 

[ahmedzee]

Misbah and Younis retired and hence why pakistan’s poor test record under Misbah. This would’ve happened to any team and I don’t think it was mickey’s fault. He lifted the limited overs team, only for Misbah to bring is to pre-2016 levels.

 

[Ahson8]

Sri Lanka lost a series to Pakistan away, drew 1-1 at home to NZ and struggled to win the series vs Zimbabwe. Mickey has actually worsened their team.

Mickey wasn't the coach for any of those.

 

[PakPremi]

South African bowling team looks full of unknowns. . I only know one bowler

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

South African bowling team looks full of unknowns. . I only know one bowler

Lungi and Nortje are their main bowlers after Rabada. So it's pretty much their main test bowling line up which will face Pak next month as well.

 

[hitthestump]

Mickey made some mistakes but to blame him for Pakistan's shortcomings in Tests is absolutely misplaced.

He is unquestionably Pakistan's best coach since Woolmer.

Yep. He wasn't perfect but under him Pakistan cricket made genuine improvements in tests while his t20 record was actually insane.

Misbah has taken this team significantly backwards in all formats sadly and we still wait for the circus to end.

 

[Hasan123]

Historically, Pakistan play better in SA than they do in New Zealand. We would’ve whitewashed this current SA team.

Pakistan have never won a series in South Africa. How is that playing well?

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Pakistan have never won a series in South Africa. How is that playing well?

Correct me if I’m wrong, India have never won a Test series in SA, does that mean they’ve never played well there? If my memory serves me right, India were probably the better team in the last tour of SA, yet they didn’t win the series.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Lungi and Nortje are their main bowlers after Rabada. So it's pretty much their main test bowling line up which will face Pak next month as well.

SA cricket is dead. All thanks to quota system.

 

[MMHS]

Arthur is a fantastic technical coach - he’ll improve Srilanka’s batting considerably; pace bowling, fitness, game sense as well. But, he is too stubborn and carries a baggage of own philosophy inherited from SAF cricket and his days under Woolmer. If he can get over that, he’ll do wonders with Lankan team, which has some exciting but loose cannon young players.

And yes - he was the reason PAK lost two series in UAE, which they should have won - at least no reason to draw 1-1 each.

 

[Hasan123]

Correct me if I’m wrong, India have never won a Test series in SA, does that mean they’ve never played well there? If my memory serves me right, India were probably the better team in the last tour of SA, yet they didn’t win the series.

You just said Pakistan play better in South Africa than New Zealand which is incorrect. We usually do better in New Zealand.

We have lost our last 6 games in South Africa and it has hardly been a contest.

 

[sshakir411]

As mush as I admire Misbah for his contribution to Pakistan cricket as a batsman and captain. He doesn’t have the brains of a coach. One dimensional as hell

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

As mush as I admire Misbah for his contribution to Pakistan cricket as a batsman and captain. He doesn’t have the brains of a coach. One dimensional as hell

The problem with all Pakistani coaches is that they don't think out of the box. The reason they are all typical and one dimensional just hoping something happens in a moment of brilliance.

Foreign coaches aren't Einsteins, but usually well respected by our cricketers for their unbiasedness and they aren't afraid of trying an alternate strategy.

 

[Hawkeye]

Losing at Home - Misery continues for Mickey Arthur in Sri Lanka after Test loss

"We're a proud team and we hate losing" - a perpetual comment we used to hear when Pakistan started losing even Home Tests under Mickey Arthur.

Pakistan's unbeatable record at home/UAE was broken by losing a Test series to Sri Lanka, and then losing to New Zealand at home. Sinking to the bottom of Test rankings.

Note: We didn't win a SINGLE overseas Test series under Mickey Arthur.

That is out of the question. Australia, New Zealand, all lost.


After Mickey Arthur was sacked, Sri Lanka appointed him in the hopes that they might be able to start winning. Sadly, that appears to be a dream.

Sri Lanka shockingly just lost their home Test vs. England.



This is a two-test series, one is already lost, so there's no chance of winning this Test series.

Their best hope now is to win the 2nd Test and draw it. My best wishes to them.

 

[Markhor]

Nothing wrong with criticising Mickey, but it's particularly amusing coming from a supporter of the two specialists in failure Misbah "never even coached a pub team" ul-Haq and Waqar "Australia bowling coach reject" Younis.

What happened to the "bright new era" under Misbah the OP promised ? We beat below par Sri Lanka and Bangladesh teams (in Pakistan, not UAE where Mickey coached), and been hammered by everyone else.

- Not just beaten, but embarrassed by Australia with the worst bowling display in history of Pakistani tours there, averaging 89 runs per wicket. Termed by Ricky Ponting as "the worst bowling attack on our shores". Hardly came around the wicket to David Warner despite Stuart Broad showing world in 2019 Ashes where to bowl to him.

- Failed to defend 277 vs England. Given next two Tests were rain curtailed, a win would've given Pakistan the series. Didn't even bother bowling short to Chris Woakes demonstrating total lack of planning, again showing Waqar's lack of cricket IQ.

- Whitewashed by New Zealand. Again, the worst bowling display by a Pakistani attack in seam/swing friendly NZ, averaging 60 runs per wicket. Yet OP cursed Azhar Mahmood for much less.

- In T20s we've not won a single series against any top team, mustering only a draw against a second string England. Worrying in a World Cup year.

- Selection policies are akin to a bull in a china shop. Either kids are fast-tracked with scant FC experience like Musa, Naseem and Abdullah, or seniors randomly called up well past their primes like Mohammad Irfan, Sohail Khan, Imran Khan and others.

No objective observer will buy this spin designed to deflect Misbah and Waqar's car crash tenure.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

He is partly to blame for some of Pakistans home test losses but in no way can you lay the blame of the Sri Lanka defeat to England on Mickey.

Sri Lankan batsmen played some suicidal shots. It was the most absurd case of batting I've personally seen in test matches. Honestly it was so poor that I was wondering if there was something else at play.....