"Some deliveries automatically swing" : Rahat Ali

[BeingFaridKhan]

Quotes from Rahat Ali, who spoke after the end of day 3

"I tried to stick to the plan which was to create pressure"
"My job was to contain runs which resulted in me taking wickets"
"Waqar Younis and Moin Khan backed me to do well in this match"
"I always try to get both swings going"
"Some deliveries automatically swing either way, even though they are not intended to"
"For a fast bowler, there is not much in the pitch"
"For spinners, this pitch will play well in the last two days"

 

[90MPH]

It was a fluke then

 

[khalil1986]

It is the wrist and action, some actions are just more conducive to swing bowling.

 

[BeingFaridKhan]

Strange that Rahat Ali admitted the ball was swinging on its own. He further said he tried to do inswing and it ended up being outswing and vice versa.


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[khalil1986]

It was a fluke then

Yes swinging it both ways is easily done and requires no skill

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That's how he bowls really, not a bad tactic for him to keep a tight line and let the ball do the work. He has a natural swing from his action anyway, his main problem is usually line and length and he did that well today.

 

[khalil1986]

Strange that Rahat Ali admitted the ball was swinging on its own. He further said he tried to do inswing and it ended up being outswing and vice versa.


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Guess he is just being honest, I guarantee there will be other bowlers who have the same happen but would always say they did it on purpose.

 

[Fastandfurious]

It happens with the new ball.

 

[BeingFaridKhan]

Guess he is just being honest, I guarantee there will be other bowlers who have the same happen but would always say they did it on purpose.

That's true, but he needs to think before speaking. He made it sound like all his deliveries which swung were flukes!


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[Nikhil_cric]

That's how he bowls really, not a bad tactic for him to keep a tight line and let the ball do the work. He has a natural swing from his action anyway, his main problem is usually line and length and he did that well today.

This. His ability was never in question. Can swing the ball at quite a deceptive pace too. He strays far too much either side and generally is not good at setting batsmen up which is why he has struggled so far.

 

[khalil1986]

That's true, but he needs to think before speaking. He made it sound like all his deliveries which swung were flukes!


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His attitude is not of a fast bowler the way he carries himself on field looks like a complete lulloo LOL.

Anyway today is not a day to criticize Rahat :akram

 

[Hawkeye]

It was a hell funny interview ) ) )

He said some deliveries automatically swing even if you're bowling inswing they get outswing movement and vice versa

What a nice bloke he is.

 

[Hawkeye]

This. His ability was never in question. Can swing the ball at quite a deceptive pace too. He strays far too much either side and generally is not good at setting batsmen up which is why he has struggled so far.

Someone should ask Junaid/Gul/Imran how hard it is to swing the ball! Almost impossible for them!

 

[Pete Rose]

A lot of ex fast bowlers have said that the best they can do is put the ball there and hope the ball does the rest.
The interview of course is a symptom of what a lot of posters feel is wrong with rahat: he is a softie.

 

[Fastandfurious]

He's trying to say that when he tries to swing it one way, sometimes it automatically swing the other way. This happens to all swing bowlers.

 

[RagingJ]

I remember this year when I started playing cricket someone tried to teach me inswing, but I would always get outswing instead, and when I tried to do outswing I would get inswing.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Someone should ask Junaid/Gul/Imran how hard it is to swing the ball! Almost impossible for them!

If Rahat continues to swing the ball, i honestly don't see Junaid coming back into this team next year. Amir,Wahab,Rahat would be a better pace attack. Imran can reverse the ball but I think he's just a flash in the pan. Not a long term option.

 

[Hawkeye]

I remember this year when I started playing cricket someone tried to teach me inswing, but I would always get outswing instead, and when I tried to do outswing I would get inswing.

Yes, I think this is natural.

Not always you have control of the lateral movement, physics and aerodynamics come into play.

Rameez mentioned after this interview that Wasim/Waqar didn't like to bowl with the new ball because they weren't sure which way it would swing.

 

[BeingFaridKhan]

Rahat Ali is being modest here!

 

[MMHS]

Very good answer - he is not that dumb that lot of people think. He is not going to explain how he is getting the swing, what's the strategy, neither he is going to tell that he is something special, when much reputed Kiwi pacers hardly got any swing, he was swinging it both ways, at pace & late.

I thought this guy has something special & he is proving me right. I watched some of his spells in highlights - it can't be that someone is swinging both ways & "By Chance" 95% of his incoming balls for both lefties & right-handers are hitting stumps.

 

[Hawkeye]

Very good answer - he is not that dumb that lot of people think. He is not going to explain how he is getting the swing, what's the strategy, neither he is going to tell that he is something special, when much reputed Kiwi pacers hardly got any swing, he was swinging it both ways, at pace & late.

I thought this guy has something special & he is proving me right. I watched some of his spells in highlights - it can't be that someone is swinging both ways & "By Chance" 95% of his incoming balls for both lefties & right-handers are hitting stumps.

You're right that he bowled a LOT better than much hyped Boult/Southee who even I thought would swing out our top order. Been totally toothless.

But he didn't say the 'swing is by chance', rather he mentioned that the direction of the swing is by chance.. like when he wants to bowl inswing, sometimes the ball just swings outwards.

 

[in_cutter]

It's true. Not every bowler has the control of Wasim.

 

[saiyan0312]

He is very naive., sharper men would have said that they had soo much control that they would could have the ball came back to the bowler after pitching. He bowled well and yes he is right as you cant have mass control even the best of them have said they didnt have ultimate control on the ball. The idea was always putting it in the right place and with the control you possess try to swing the ball. Bowled very well on a flat track and hope he keeps on improving as he continues to play. finally a swing bowler., needs to develop more thinking.

 

[salman24]

It's harder for the batsman to pick if the bowler doesn't even know what he is doing

 

[Mamoon]

His thought process is very limited. Runs in and bowls in a mechanical fashion.

He has the skill and everyone can see that but unless he knows what he's doing, he will not succeed in the long run.

Very few bowlers are gifted with the ability to swing the new ball both ways. Even the best pacer of this era Steyn mostly relies on his deadly outswinger.

Rahat needs to watch videos of Anderson.

 

[Sherlock]

Isn't that just another case of "reverse swing" then?

Weird interview.

 

[Haz95]

"My job was to contain runs"- As well as he did today, this is a poor mindset. We have runs on the board, there's no need to "contain". He just needs to bowl to get wickets-regardless of the situation.

 

[JibranAnsari]

It happens with me also , you just have to pretend that you do it on purpose.

 

[MMHS]

You're right that he bowled a LOT better than much hyped Boult/Southee who even I thought would swing out our top order. Been totally toothless.

But he didn't say the 'swing is by chance', rather he mentioned that the direction of the swing is by chance.. like when he wants to bowl inswing, sometimes the ball just swings outwards.

Then how he is managing to keep most balls on target? I still believe, he was avoiding to answer too many questions on his bowling.

 

[Mamoon]

^ Indeed because Anderson is a crap bowler.

 

[Anfield]

Asif used to say this as well. "I don't know which way the ball going is going to move. ..If I don't know would the batsmen know?"

 

[JaDed]

This is the problem with current bowlers of Pakistan.In 90's they all were talented and literate in cricket and knew what they were doing now they are talented but are not knowing what they are doing.
Anyhow very deceptive bowler and modest interview really but bowlers need to be aggressive.

 

[filthyfulltoss]

today I learned - admitting that the ball swings on its own = stupid, naive, softie, etc.

today I also learned - pakpassion is full of idiots

 

[JaDed]

Asif used to say this as well. "I don't know which way the ball going is going to move. ..If I don't know would the batsmen know?"

Asif's talent was in a different dimension and his line and length was amazing the dude knew what he was doing never mind his interviews.

 

[Alchemy]

His thought process is very limited. Runs in and bowls in a mechanical fashion.

He has the skill and everyone can see that but unless he knows what he's doing, he will not succeed in the long run.

Very few bowlers are gifted with the ability to swing the new ball both ways. Even the best pacer of this era Steyn mostly relies on his deadly outswinger.

Rahat needs to watch videos of Anderson.

Rahat actually needs to take some of the stuff that our top lad took.

 

[Alchemy]

^ Indeed because Anderson is a crap bowler.

Okayish bowler in away conditions.

 

[filthyfulltoss]

How would not admitting this change his performance on the field? It literally has no impact on performance, so how is this a big deal? Absolute shocking lack of logic on display here. Making a mountain out of a molehill as well as extrapolating baseless character traits.

 

[liaqat]

The guy spoke the truth,
Do you guys actually think Asif knew which way the ball was going to move,
He had a gift to get the ball to move about with the wobbly seam but i honestly believe he didn't know which was it was going to go,

 

[Mamoon]

Okayish bowler in away conditions.

Rahat can learn a lot from him IMO.

 

[Fastandfurious]

Rahat can learn a lot from him IMO.

Wth is Waqar there for? He's obviously been teaching Rahat and sees the potential in him.

 

[Alchemy]

Rahat can learn a lot from him IMO.

Rahat doesnt have the same luxury of bowling in english conditions, mate. Rahat is doing way better than Jimmy in worse conditions.

 

[Mamoon]

Wth is Waqar there for? He's obviously been teaching Rahat and sees the potential in him.

Spoon feeding doesn't work. Rahat must learn from successful bowlers with similar skill-sets not just rely on Waqar.

Rahat doesnt have the same luxury of bowling in english conditions, mate. Rahat is doing way better than Jimmy in worse conditions.

Rahat would do wonderful for Pakistani if he can have half the Test career Anderson has had for England.

 

[Alchemy]

Spoon feeding doesn't work. Rahat must learn from successful bowlers with similar skill-sets not just rely on Waqar.



Rahat would do wonderful for Pakistani if he can have half the Test career Anderson has had for England.

You are missing the point. Rahat's home country is not England which favors swinging conditions. So, if he does half of what anderson has done. He would be equal to him.

 

[Mamoon]

You are missing the point. Rahat's home country is not England which favors swinging conditions. So, if he does half of what anderson has done. He would be equal to him.

Pacers for Pakistan have swung the ball miles in these conditions historically. You can swing the ball anywhere if you have the ability and can adjust to conditions.

Most of the overseas pacers don't adjust well enough on these surfaces or bowl well in patches.

Rahat is already adapted to these conditions. He just needs to learn how to setup the batsman and play with his mind. Asking him to learn from Wasim, Asif etc is unfair because he doesn't have the same caliber but a young Anderson although more devastating wasn't much different to Rahat. For the first 5 yrs of his career he would bowl beautifully in one match but rubbish in the other.

Swung the ball miles but had no control and couldn't set the batsmen up. However once he learned that, he made the likes of Tendulkar and Kohli his bunny.

Rahat needs to follow his career path.

 

[Alchemy]

Pacers for Pakistan have swung the ball miles in these conditions historically. You can swing the ball anywhere if you have the ability and can adjust to conditions.

Most of the overseas pacers don't adjust well enough on these surfaces or bowl well in patches.

Rahat is already adapted to these conditions. He just needs to learn how to setup the batsman and play with his mind. Asking him to learn from Wasim, Asif etc is unfair because he doesn't have the same caliber but a young Anderson although more devastating wasn't much different to Rahat. For the first 5 yrs of his career he would bowl beautifully in one match but rubbish in the other.

Swung the ball miles but had no control and couldn't set the batsmen up. However once he learned that, he made the likes of Tendulkar and Kohli his bunny.

Rahat needs to follow his career path.

So, that automatically tells us how great Pakistani bowlers are unlike their counterparts who are mostly HTB.

I agree with rest of the post. I have been saying this myself since a long time. Maybe some MJ can help just like it helped asif.

 

[Alchemy]

Ye obviously because Waqar wasn't successful, couldn't swing and didn't know how to setup batsmen.

I am sure rahat is learning a lot under future ATGs boult and southee.

 

[filthyfulltoss]

People forget that Jimmy learned from Asif

 

[imranq]

He is a nice guy and has a great skill set, but he just doesn't give me any confidence as a bowler with his body language.

 

[Alchemy]

People forget that Jimmy learned from Asif

There is no comparison to be made when it comes to Jimmy and Asif. Asif is head and shoulders above jimmy.

 

[Mamoon]

Waqar was completely unique bowler and if a bowlers model himself on him, he's bound to fail miserably.

Learning from him and modeling your bowling on him are completely different things.

 

[Mamoon]

So, that automatically tells us how great Pakistani bowlers are unlike their counterparts who are mostly HTB.

I agree with rest of the post. I have been saying this myself since a long time. Maybe some MJ can help just like it helped asif.

Obviously. Our fast bowling history is way too rich.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] is the biggest bandwagoner on this forum. Now he's on the Rahat bandwagon.

Switched from Umar bandwagon to Asad bandwagon without anybody noticing and now calls the former toast.

 

[Savak]

The guy can swing the new ball both ways, he can reverse the ball both ways. He bowls at a decent pace from 136-142 km/hr but just lacks the art of setting a batsman up and knowing how to apply his skills. I think he should be played in ODI matches, he has only played test matches and doesn't get to play very often. Maybe he will be able to pick up wickets in ODI's which can help his confidence.

 

[Alchemy]

[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] is the biggest bandwagoner on this forum. Now he's on the Rahat bandwagon.

Switched from Umar bandwagon to Asad bandwagon without anybody noticing and now calls the former toast.

Aman is hurting. Dont mention him. :ahmed

 

[Ikball]

Andreson is an over rated bowler.

 

[FreeBird]

It was a fluke then

It is the wrist and action, some actions are just more conducive to swing bowling.

Strange that Rahat Ali admitted the ball was swinging on its own. He further said he tried to do inswing and it ended up being outswing and vice versa.


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That's true, but he needs to think before speaking. He made it sound like all his deliveries which swung were flukes!


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That's how he bowls really, not a bad tactic for him to keep a tight line and let the ball do the work. He has a natural swing from his action anyway, his main problem is usually line and length and he did that well today.

It was a hell funny interview ) ) )

He said some deliveries automatically swing even if you're bowling inswing they get outswing movement and vice versa

What a nice bloke he is.

If this bowling spell was not a fluke then,,,,
Not to the same extreme level but potentially another Wasim Akram type scenario in making.

Rahat seems like another naturally gifted bowler who has his wrist position, arm angle, shoulder input, and head tilt, naturally in alignment and supported by his natural speed, and trajectory that results in swing.

He doesn't have to do a whole lot to master the art - so that's a good a news.

Bad news? He won't be able to teach anyone how to swing because he doesn't know exactly what mechanics are to be brought in motion and with what intensity to generate swing (most of it comes natural to him).... just like Wasim Akram who was never able to create another Wasim Akram.

 

[Rayyman]

Looks like he is getting smarter as the commentators pointed out he set up Latham beautifully, two outswingers outside off and then one quick and straight that got him lbw. Inshallah in the future he will get smarter with experience

 

[hussain.r97]

It's normally not possible to control which direction you want to swing a brand new ball. You have to bowl the right channels (i.e. Areas where swing in any direction is dangerous).

You only get control over swing when one side becomes rougher than the other.

 

[junaid.ahmed]

Strange that Rahat Ali admitted the ball was swinging on its own. He further said he tried to do inswing and it ended up being outswing and vice versa.


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swing to swing hei na yar in ho ya out

 

[junaid.ahmed]

This is the problem with current bowlers of Pakistan.In 90's they all were talented and literate in cricket and knew what they were doing now they are talented but are not knowing what they are doing.
Anyhow very deceptive bowler and modest interview really but bowlers need to be aggressive.

sometimes words dnt tell you the central idea & expressions, I believe this is the case with this interview.

 

[Aman]

[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] is the biggest bandwagoner on this forum. Now he's on the Rahat bandwagon.

Switched from Umar bandwagon to Asad bandwagon without anybody noticing and now calls the former toast.

I'm not on any of their bandwagons

They're good players for Pakistan and that's about it.

Umar, I've given up on, he'll never change his approach and ever be considered world class.

 

[JilaWatan]

Rahats action is somewhat similar to the older irfan pathan. We know pathan could swing the ball decent too, its the round arm action.

 

[hadi123]

He's struggling in this match. Also the fact he's not the best batsman or fielder doesn't help his case.

 

[Bilal7]

Why the team management is playing him over Hasan Ali is a mystery. Rahat is a decent bench option to have but when you have three superior pacers, he should not be getting a game.

 

[Asif321]

its good rahat was played and its every one to see he hasn't produced any threatening spell . so hopefully they wont go with him vs England

 

[lonex]

Why the team management is playing him over Hasan Ali is a mystery. Rahat is a decent bench option to have but when you have three superior pacers, he should not be getting a game.

I think they are checking bowling depth by giving Rahat a chance in low profile match. If Amir continues to struggle with injury we might see him bowling in England now though.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Only have to watch Rahat bowl and look at the pitch maps of his deliveries compared to the other bowlers, No consistant lines or lengths and always tends to bowl a bad ball an over, just lacks the basic bowling discapline to be a decent test bowler.

 

[ArsenalFC]

As I mentioned before Hasan Ali should have been playing for him. Rahat should never have made the squad in the first place. Inzy using PSL performances to justify his selection but yet most posters here think he's been a good selector.

 

[Mamoon]

But Inzamam is the greatest Chief Selector we have ever had, and he does not base his selections on PSL performances.

Rahat fully deserves to be in the squad but not the playing XI, which means Inzamam did the right thing by picking him, but all the blame goes to Mickey and Sarfraz for playing him in the XI.

 

[PakSarZameen]

Hopefully this is his last match in the Pakistan shirt

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

He's struggling in this match. Also the fact he's not the best batsman or fielder doesn't help his case.

Should have picked Shaheen and benched him to get some exposure to English conditions and test arena.

 

[Dagestani_Eagle]

it was a fluke then

yes

 

[Big Mac]

The Rahat disrespect in here sickens me

 

[New Yorker]

Should have picked Shaheen and benched him to get some exposure to English conditions and test arena.

Or maybe a bowler of whom it could be said that they look ready for international cricket? Let's have players 'get exposure,' 'rediscover their form,' and all that in FC cricket. Tests are not held for players to discover themselves. I like the looks of Shaheen a lot but it's pretty clear that someone like Hamza or Sadaf would be next in line.

 

[New Yorker]

But Inzamam is the greatest Chief Selector we have ever had, and he does not base his selections on PSL performances.

Rahat fully deserves to be in the squad but not the playing XI, which means Inzamam did the right thing by picking him, but all the blame goes to Mickey and Sarfraz for playing him in the XI.

Hard to think of bowlers who less deserve to be in the squad than Rahat. He had nothing relevant to recommend him to this tour. 20 Test at Ave 38. 50 Ave in England on his last outing. Plenty of players in domestics who outshine him in FC cricket. I suspect Mickey is at least in part to blame for pushing for his selection from the outside; its known he has a soft spot for The Legend. Can't imagine Inzi wouldn't even have consulted with him.

 

[UN talkz]

The Rahat disrespect in here sickens me

It is Sharamful

 

[Slim]

But Inzamam is the greatest Chief Selector we have ever had, and he does not base his selections on PSL performances.

Rahat fully deserves to be in the squad but not the playing XI, which means Inzamam did the right thing by picking him, but all the blame goes to Mickey and Sarfraz for playing him in the XI.

If you had to pick between Mir Hamza, Rahat, Junaid Khan, Wahab then I think that Rahat doesnt deserve to be in the test squad. Heck, even dross like Wahab is better than him. I personally would have selected Mir Hamza.

 

[New Yorker]

..And some players automatically get selected. No matter how clueless they otherwise are.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Only have to watch Rahat bowl and look at the pitch maps of his deliveries compared to the other bowlers, No consistant lines or lengths and always tends to bowl a bad ball an over, just lacks the basic bowling discapline to be a decent test bowler.

You can say the same for most Pakistan pace bowlers, definitely Amir, Wahab and Irfan also fall into that category. Bowling one bad delivery per over wouldn't matter so much if they could bowl four or five good ones. Rahat might bowl one or two decent deliveries per over, the rest are usually wasted.

 

[Abdullah719]

Second on the list. Great achievement.