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Some nations relying on China’s vaccines are battling outbreaks. So do the vaccines work?

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Earlier this year, life beyond COVID shutdowns looked closer than ever for Chile, Mongolia, Bahrain and the Seychelles. All four nations were among the most vaccinated in the world, having secured large stores of China’s Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines. But, by June, these four countries were battling some of the world’s worst COVID outbreaks. So are the vaccines failing?

What are China’s vaccines?
Since late 2020, China has exported hundreds of millions of doses of its Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines to at least 70 countries and is relying on the shots for the mammoth task of vaccinating its own 1.4 billion people. “China is now the world’s biggest exporter of COVID vaccines,” says epidemiologist Michael Toole, who has been reviewing the rollout for the Burnet Institute. Vaccines work by training your body to mount an immune defence against the virus without you ever having to catch it. China’s vaccines use “inactivated” (dead) coronavirus to pull off the trick, Toole explains, as do our existing flu and polio vaccines. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines developed in the West with new mRNA technology instead use a segment of the virus’s genetic code, while the AstraZeneca, Sputnik V and Johnson & Johnson shots use another harmless kind of virus to deliver the piece of COVID-19 needed to build immunity.

Do Sinovac and Sinopharm work?
As Russia did for its Sputnik vaccine, China skipped the final stage of clinical trials undergone by Western vaccines in order to roll out Sinovac and Sinopharm faster. But unlike with Russia’s shot, China’s data has been less robust since, limited by smaller sample sizes. Where Sinovac was rolled out in Brazil, it only halved the chance of developing symptoms of COVID (even a Chinese official commented off-hand that’s “not high”). But protection went up to 67 per cent in Chile and 85 per cent in Turkey. “I’d say they’re about on par with AstraZeneca,” says Toole. “Sinopharm seems better than Sinovac, it stops about 78 per cent of symptomatic cases, but it did its trials earlier, before certain variants were circulating.” Virologist Gary Grohmann, who consults for the WHO, says the data deficient for the Chinese vaccines (as well as both the misinformation and propaganda swirling around them) make their performance hard to assess, but he expects they will prove about 50 per cent effective. As with other vaccines such as AstraZeneca and Pfizer, however, both Sinovac and Sinopharm still have a very high chance of stopping you from dying of COVID, the key measure of any vaccine’s success. (And, while monitoring for side-effects after vaccination is considered less thorough in both China and Russia, Toole says no safety concerns have been flagged.) The World Health Organisation has approved both of China’s vaccines for emergency use, as it has Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson. Grohmann says they will be now an important addition to the WHO’s COVAX scheme for delivering doses to developing nations, which has struggled to attract enough supply.

34 countries(Including Pakistan and Turkey) are using the Sinovac vaccine.

So why the concern?
No vaccine is guaranteed to stop the virus spreading (Pfizer and AstraZeneca are both thought to reduce the spread of COVID by up to half, for example) and so outbreaks have dogged even the world’s fastest vaccination campaigns. The UK has fully vaccinated more than half its population, mostly with AstraZeneca and then Pfizer, but is clocking up tens of thousands of cases a day again. Even Israel, where more than 60 per cent are vaccinated, has seen spikes, most recently driven by unvaccinated children. But in both countries, hospitalisation rates (and deaths) have stayed low, notes Deakin University chair of epidemiology Catherine Bennett, which is a sign the vaccines are working.

While there will likely be breakthrough cases for every vaccine (a small number of fully vaccinated people in the UK have recently died from the more contagious Delta variant, for example), in Mongolia both deaths and caseloads have significantly spiked again. It’s mostly using Sinopharm. Chile is largely relying on Sinovac, and its own recent surge in cases has overwhelmed hospitals, and sent the country back into lockdown. A study there found the chance of ICU admission still fell by 89 per cent among those fully immunised, but protection was much lower for those who had only had one dose. In Indonesia, where Sinovac is also leading the country’s immunisation rollout, at least 10 of the 26 doctors who died in June of COVID were fully vaccinated. “The death rates there are going up very quickly,” Toole says. People who have had two doses have also died in the Seychelles’ recent outbreak, though its government says most critical cases were not fully immunised.

In Thailand, when a recent leaked memo laid bare government doubts about the effectiveness of the Sinovac shot, experts promptly called for vaccinated healthcare workers to also get an mRNA booster. (The United Arab Emirates has also offered a third dose for people vaccinated with Sinopharm, amid concerns over its effectiveness). Professor of viral immunology at Murdoch University Cassandra Berry expects mixing and matching vaccines will be the way forward anyway to build broader immunity against the virus’s accelerating evolution. (“The Chinese vaccines will work well as your first dose primers to be paired then with say an mRNA,” says Grohmann.) But the COVID variants emerging since late 2020 may be widening the divide between one vaccine and another, Bennett says. “Lower [protection against milder cases] could become more significant when you’ve got a really rapidly spreading variant, or one that starts escaping those particular vaccines.”

Even Pfizer, which performed among the best in vaccine trials, has seen protection against symptomatic COVID driven by the Delta variant out of India drop from 94 per cent to 64, though protection from severe disease has stayed strong. Data on how well Sinovac holds up to Delta has been scarce, but Bennett says a recent outbreak in Brazil suggests it is not going well against variants. “That’s a worry because Sinovac is being widely distributed, and it was a really important initiative to try and get protection [around the world]. It probably did save lives there but may not really protect them to the level you’d want to see with these new variants.”

And, as Toole points out, when you have lower protection against COVID overall, as Sinovac does compared to Pfizer, it’s harder to build up herd immunity, when enough of the population is immune to the virus that it starts to slow and die out. “If the virus is still circulating, there’s more chance it will evolve again into new variants [which could evade] vaccines.”
Still, while all shots might not be created equal, experts stress any approved vaccine is better than none – without it, your natural protection is likely back down to zero.

What does it mean for the global vaccine rollout?

China’s vaccines already make up a decent chunk of the vaccination race and if they fail, Toole, Bennett and Berry say it could leave much of the world exposed. Sputnik, AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson are cheaper but China’s production capabilities are bigger than those of Russia, which has faced questions about how it will deliver on all its promised doses. And China’s vaccines don’t need to be stored at the freezing temperatures of the mRNA shots, making a rollout easier in developing nations. Indeed, both China and Russia’s “vaccine diplomacy” has helped poorer nations as the West hoarded supplies early on. (The US has since promised to donate tens of millions of its own vaccines abroad.)

Should people who’ve had Sinovac be allowed to travel?
The WHO thinks so – it’s calling on nations to recognise all its approved vaccines when considering granting exemptions on pandemic restrictions, including travel bans, to those who are immunised. Australia has flagged that rules will be relaxed down the line for those fully vaccinated but it has not approved China’s vaccines (or Russia’s Sputnik, which is yet to make the WHO approved list either, but which has proven about as effective in trials as Moderna and Pfizer). A number of expats have received Sinovac and Sinopharm overseas. “We can’t shut out one vaccine from our exemptions if it’s shown to work,” says Toole, who worries that politics, even racism, will hamper the take-up of both Chinese and Russian vaccines, no matter the science. He is himself fully immunised with AstraZeneca, a vaccine not approved by the US. “So I do wonder if that means I’ll have issues flying to the States myself.”
As Australia’s borders reopen, Bennett can imagine some extra measures applying at first for those who have had vaccines with less robust data such as Sinovac. “But to limit [exemptions] to only some approved vaccines long-term is messy and hard to defend, especially when everyone’s immune response is different anyway. Let’s just assume everyone who is vaccinated is coming in with 75 per cent protection, even if some have better.” If the variants change the picture significantly, say a variant really is shown to evade Sinovac or another vaccine, “that’s when you might have a difference in which ones you recognise,” Bennett says.

Berry agrees, adding “we could start requiring approved boosters to up people’s immunity before they travel. We do that already with other diseases.” But she says knowing when someone was vaccinated may end up being just as important as which vaccine they are given. “We still don’t really know how long immunity lasts. And with variants, these are shifting sands we’re on.”

Source :
https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/s...-so-do-the-vaccines-work-20210706-p5878h.html
 
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] [MENTION=90888]Itachi[/MENTION]
Is Sinopharm planned to be used in India as well ? It is already being used by Sri Lanka also.
 
Its pointless now to focus on the infections. Most vaccines protect against severe hospitilisation and death , thats what matters going forward
 
Its pointless now to focus on the infections. Most vaccines protect against severe hospitilisation and death , thats what matters going forward

Agreed. But it would be interesting to see how the politics between China and Western countries plays out with the travel restrictions for vaccinated people with certain vaccines.
 
The American vaccines work against the Delta strain, the chinese ones aren't too bad either. Studies from the Phillipines show a low infection and hospitalization rate and the vast majority of Filipinos were given Sinovac.
 
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] [MENTION=90888]Itachi[/MENTION]
Is Sinopharm planned to be used in India as well ? It is already being used by Sri Lanka also.

If Sinopharm ties up with an Indian manufacturer, then it may be produced in India. Indian manufacturers already have tie ups for manufacturing with Astra (SII), Sputnik (Dr. Reddy's Lab), Baylor College of Medicine (Biological E), J&J (also Biological E) etc. There may not be any vaccine manufacturers of scale left who would in interested in manufacturing Sinopharm's vaccine.

Will India import Sinopharm vaccine? It may. Question arises, why would China send the vaccine to India before it sent it to Africa where the ratio of vaccines to population is lower than India? Maybe if India agreed to pay a higher price than African countries.

Indian vaccine manufacturers have produced hundreds of millions of vaccine doses, but given India's gigantic population we still may benefit from importing vaccines in the short run.
 
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] [MENTION=90888]Itachi[/MENTION]
Is Sinopharm planned to be used in India as well ? It is already being used by Sri Lanka also.

No Chinese vaccine is being used or planned to be used in India.
 
China produced two types of vaccines

1. The older type live attenuated virus vaccine which has not worked so well
2. Newer type adenovirus vector similar to AZ and Johnson and Johnson which works well
 
Judging by what we have seen in Uruguay and the Middle East:

Pfizer and Moderna are world class vaccines, roughly 94% effective v the legacy virus and 65% effective versus Delta.

AstraZeneca and Johnson and Johnson are mediocre vaccines which are a “better than nothing” stopgap until more Pfizer and Moderna are available. They are roughly 70% effective v the legacy virus and 60% effective versus Delta. I took AstraZeneca because no Pfizer was available.

The Chinese and Russian vaccines have had the results of their trials concealed, presumably because the results show borderline efficacy of around 50%, even with the legacy virus. Certainly the Chinese data out of Brazil showed highly marginal 50% responses.
 
Tbh it depends on what you mean by outbreaks. If you talking about cases then I must say people who have been vaccinated get rarely ill bc of COVID and I know people who felt worse after the second dose of vaccine then they did from getting COVID so the cases at this point is useless, deaths is something which needs to be controlled and vaccines are clearly effective in that case.
 
Judging by what we have seen in Uruguay and the Middle East:

Pfizer and Moderna are world class vaccines, roughly 94% effective v the legacy virus and 65% effective versus Delta.

AstraZeneca and Johnson and Johnson are mediocre vaccines which are a “better than nothing” stopgap until more Pfizer and Moderna are available. They are roughly 70% effective v the legacy virus and 60% effective versus Delta. I took AstraZeneca because no Pfizer was available.

The Chinese and Russian vaccines have had the results of their trials concealed, presumably because the results show borderline efficacy of around 50%, even with the legacy virus. Certainly the Chinese data out of Brazil showed highly marginal 50% responses.

Your numbers are incorrect. For example, AstraZeneca has 89% effectiveness in preventing symptomatic illness (and is of course much better in preventing severe illness that requires hospitalization).

https://assets.publishing.service.g...096/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_21.pdf
 
Judging by what we have seen in Uruguay and the Middle East:

Pfizer and Moderna are world class vaccines, roughly 94% effective v the legacy virus and 65% effective versus Delta.

AstraZeneca and Johnson and Johnson are mediocre vaccines which are a “better than nothing” stopgap until more Pfizer and Moderna are available. They are roughly 70% effective v the legacy virus and 60% effective versus Delta. I took AstraZeneca because no Pfizer was available.

The Chinese and Russian vaccines have had the results of their trials concealed, presumably because the results show borderline efficacy of around 50%, even with the legacy virus. Certainly the Chinese data out of Brazil showed highly marginal 50% responses.

Brazil mainly has the P1 variant which is far more deadly and transmissible than the original virus, that's probably why J&J also reported efficacy in the low 50s. Also you're ignoring data from Chile, Phillipines and UAE that show high efficacy of the Chinese and Russian vaccines. Sputnik is about 95% effective but of course you won't get an Englishman to admit that and maybe it's cause they're ashamed of the whole Oxford vaccine debacle. Like I said several threads ago, the UK has lost the vaccine race - they lag behind the US and other countries in this field.
 
ofcourse not, Chinese vaccines are a fraud, they could even stop the alpha variant in chile, people in pakistan are already feeling the side effects of them and others are hesitant to get them.

Pfizer and Moderna are the only effective ones with AZ the only other viable option if you dont hace those two with just lower effective rate.
 
Judging by what we have seen in Uruguay and the Middle East:

Pfizer and Moderna are world class vaccines, roughly 94% effective v the legacy virus and 65% effective versus Delta.

AstraZeneca and Johnson and Johnson are mediocre vaccines which are a “better than nothing” stopgap until more Pfizer and Moderna are available. They are roughly 70% effective v the legacy virus and 60% effective versus Delta. I took AstraZeneca because no Pfizer was available.

The Chinese and Russian vaccines have had the results of their trials concealed, presumably because the results show borderline efficacy of around 50%, even with the legacy virus. Certainly the Chinese data out of Brazil showed highly marginal 50% responses.

AZ isnt a stop gap, it has a higher effectivness then what you say, but yes its below Pfizer Moderna. But with a better third dose you could shoot the effectivness all the way up and even with a third dose, the cost will be cheaper than Pfizers two.

As for everything from china and russia, there just PR stunts for there country.
 
ofcourse not, Chinese vaccines are a fraud, they could even stop the alpha variant in chile, people in pakistan are already feeling the side effects of them and others are hesitant to get them.

Pfizer and Moderna are the only effective ones with AZ the only other viable option if you dont hace those two with just lower effective rate.

Sputnik is good as well. The chinese vaccines are as you say not that good.

Countries that used the chinese vaccines are already looking to give other vaccines or as in UAE giving a third dose to see if it works.
 
There was some comments about people in the Uk that recieved AZ manufactured in India not being eligible for travel visas.

Once again the western world + India has a strange fascination with China. The virus continues to ravage the west + India while these other countries seem reasonably robust.

There are talks we may need a booster jab for other vaccines too. It seems that even in such turbulent times many countries find an opportunity to point score against China rather than work towards solutions.

This Indian variant is arguably the most destructive and people have been hospitalized in the UK despite being double jabbed. Yet the fascination is China China China.
 
There was some comments about people in the Uk that recieved AZ manufactured in India not being eligible for travel visas.

Once again the western world + India has a strange fascination with China. The virus continues to ravage the west + India while these other countries seem reasonably robust.

There are talks we may need a booster jab for other vaccines too. It seems that even in such turbulent times many countries find an opportunity to point score against China rather than work towards solutions.

This Indian variant is arguably the most destructive and people have been hospitalized in the UK despite being double jabbed. Yet the fascination is China China China.

Where did the virus originate from? You talk about the delta variant, yet dont talk about where the virus originated from.

The chinese lied and people died.
 
There was some comments about people in the Uk that recieved AZ manufactured in India not being eligible for travel visas.

Once again the western world + India has a strange fascination with China. The virus continues to ravage the west + India while these other countries seem reasonably robust.

There are talks we may need a booster jab for other vaccines too. It seems that even in such turbulent times many countries find an opportunity to point score against China rather than work towards solutions.

This Indian variant is arguably the most destructive and people have been hospitalized in the UK despite being double jabbed. Yet the fascination is China China China.

If China’s Sinopharm was very effective then why did Bahrain opt for a Pfizer booster dose for those who already taken Sinopharm? Have you read the data from Seychelles, Uranguay, Maldives? The vaccine drive in these countries were comparable with US and UK and still got considerable amount of infections compared to the latter. The studies that came from Brazil also showed very low efficacy compared to other available ones.

Regarding how they controlled it in China, basically this: very strict local lock down, extensive testing to the tune of 10 million a day and lot of hiding of data. Also the vaccine is effective atleast in 50% cases.
 
There was some comments about people in the Uk that recieved AZ manufactured in India not being eligible for travel visas.

Once again the western world + India has a strange fascination with China. The virus continues to ravage the west + India while these other countries seem reasonably robust.

There are talks we may need a booster jab for other vaccines too. It seems that even in such turbulent times many countries find an opportunity to point score against China rather than work towards solutions.

This Indian variant is arguably the most destructive and people have been hospitalized in the UK despite being double jabbed. Yet the fascination is China China China.

The Article is from Australian public broadcaster.
The virus originated in China and had they not tried to hide it be transparent situation would be different. So pardon us for questioning them, but need some answers from them to avoid a repeat.
 
Where did the virus originate from? You talk about the delta variant, yet dont talk about where the virus originated from.

The chinese lied and people died.

There are many different theories of where the virus originated from. They are all theories with no proof and a lot of propaganda.
 
Looks like Thailand is now raising doubts about the efficacy of Sinovac against Delta variant. And ironically Indonesia’s top scientist working on Sinovac research died from Covid inspite of being fully vaccinated with Sinovac!

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/07/05/asia/thailand-sinovac-vaccine-efficacy-intl-hnk/index.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...-scientist-indonesia-dies-intl-hnk/index.html


Also, Singapore is now excluding people vaccinated with Sinovac from their count of vaccinated people

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...-shots-covid-19-vaccination-tally-2021-07-07/

Looks like Sinovac, the world’s widest available vaccine is now under fire.
 
The Article is from Australian public broadcaster.
The virus originated in China and had they not tried to hide it be transparent situation would be different. So pardon us for questioning them, but need some answers from them to avoid a repeat.

I think many countries are laying the blame at the feet of China rather than taking responsibility themselves.

I know that in the UK, Boris completely underestimated it initially and then decided to sacrifice lives rather than put India on the red list.

Now the blame has shifted from the origin of the virus being in China, to the Chinese vaccine indirectly causing deaths/spread.

The virus is less of an issue than China in the eyes of most countries, and they are trying everything to counter China.
 
If China’s Sinopharm was very effective then why did Bahrain opt for a Pfizer booster dose for those who already taken Sinopharm? Have you read the data from Seychelles, Uranguay, Maldives? The vaccine drive in these countries were comparable with US and UK and still got considerable amount of infections compared to the latter. The studies that came from Brazil also showed very low efficacy compared to other available ones.

Regarding how they controlled it in China, basically this: very strict local lock down, extensive testing to the tune of 10 million a day and lot of hiding of data. Also the vaccine is effective atleast in 50% cases.

I am not a medic like you and Joshillabhai but there is talk that Pfizer is going to require a booster and so is AZ. I read that the vaccines efficacy was seen to reduce in Israel and that Pfizer booster jabs are being mulled.

This is a direct quote

He said that multiple countries in Europe and elsewhere have already approached Pfizer to discuss booster doses, and that some may begin administering them before a potential US authorization.
 
I am not a medic like you and Joshillabhai but there is talk that Pfizer is going to require a booster and so is AZ. I read that the vaccines efficacy was seen to reduce in Israel and that Pfizer booster jabs are being mulled.

This is a direct quote

He said that multiple countries in Europe and elsewhere have already approached Pfizer to discuss booster doses, and that some may begin administering them before a potential US authorization.

Pfizer and AZ has reduced efficacy against Delta variant. Thats true, but they still provide significant protection. But they are still trying to update the vaccines to enhance protection. Hospitalization is still low.


But Chinese vaccines, some of which originally had only 50 per cent protection seems to be failing to generate antibodies after 2 doses(some countries are giving 3rd doses) and even with countries with significant vaccination, cases are rising.
 
I am not a medic like you and Joshillabhai but there is talk that Pfizer is going to require a booster and so is AZ. I read that the vaccines efficacy was seen to reduce in Israel and that Pfizer booster jabs are being mulled.

This is a direct quote

He said that multiple countries in Europe and elsewhere have already approached Pfizer to discuss booster doses, and that some may begin administering them before a potential US authorization.

Vaccine mix up do shows improved antibody response against Covid but we need more studies to confirm and make it safe for everyone. It’s a method for making something better which is already very good. Eg: taking a Astrazaneca jab for those already taken the mRNA ones or vice versa.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01359-3

But with Sinopharm the case is different. Many health professionals are not satisfied because of the data concealing and anonymity surrounding it. Moreover it’s the one that is given to a lot of people in this world. This will dent the confidence regarding vaccines in general public.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/despite-high-inoculation-rates-bahrain-uae-see-rise-in-covid-19-cases-670517
 
Sputnik is good as well. The chinese vaccines are as you say not that good.

Countries that used the chinese vaccines are already looking to give other vaccines or as in UAE giving a third dose to see if it works.

No western scientific body has tested Sputnik, so for now its all propaganda.
 
No western scientific body has tested Sputnik, so for now its all propaganda.

I believe Sputnik has been peer reviewed by Lancet & a couple other reputed medical journals. Dont think they will ever get approval here in US, but i believe WHO should be approving them soon.
 
Sputnik was tested in India, though a small trial, hence i have some faith in it.

I mean those studies are as good as Russia or Chinas gov claiming themselves its been tested.

Untill any approved body approves it, its rubbish, unfortunately its not even being tested.

I believe Sputnik has been peer reviewed by Lancet & a couple other reputed medical journals. Dont think they will ever get approval here in US, but i believe WHO should be approving them soon.

It might not get approved in the US but at least it can be reviewed. If its found to be more effective than Mod, PZ or even AZ im sure they will approve it.

However Sputnik just seems to be the AZ vax, which the russians may have hacked and made there own inferior version of it.
 
I mean those studies are as good as Russia or Chinas gov claiming themselves its been tested.

Untill any approved body approves it, its rubbish, unfortunately its not even being tested.



It might not get approved in the US but at least it can be reviewed. If its found to be more effective than Mod, PZ or even AZ im sure they will approve it.

However Sputnik just seems to be the AZ vax, which the russians may have hacked and made there own inferior version of it.

Correct me if wrong, but wasnt Sputnik the first vaccine to be rolled out in the world? Not to say they couldnt have hacked AZ, but Russian scientists have a reputation to be brilliant in their own right. Though admittedly them not submitting data to the EU for approval looks very iffy.
 
Correct me if wrong, but wasnt Sputnik the first vaccine to be rolled out in the world? Not to say they couldnt have hacked AZ, but Russian scientists have a reputation to be brilliant in their own right. Though admittedly them not submitting data to the EU for approval looks very iffy.

A vaccine maker only applies for approval from a country if it wants to sell its vaccine in that country. There is still a shortage of vaccines around the world, so vaccine makers often ignore many countries.

Sputnik may not be interested in selling to European countries, which already have multiple vaccines approved.

Many countries who desperately need vaccines accept WHO approval.
 
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I mean those studies are as good as Russia or Chinas gov claiming themselves its been tested.

Untill any approved body approves it, its rubbish, unfortunately its not even being tested.



It might not get approved in the US but at least it can be reviewed. If its found to be more effective than Mod, PZ or even AZ im sure they will approve it.

However Sputnik just seems to be the AZ vax, which the russians may have hacked and made there own inferior version of it.

Indian study was not by russia or china.

Sputnik came out much before AZ. Its better than AZ theoretically because it uses two different adenovirus in the two doses. That reduces the chance of cross immunity development to the viral vector.
 
I think many countries are laying the blame at the feet of China rather than taking responsibility themselves.

I know that in the UK, Boris completely underestimated it initially and then decided to sacrifice lives rather than put India on the red list.

Now the blame has shifted from the origin of the virus being in China, to the Chinese vaccine indirectly causing deaths/spread.

The virus is less of an issue than China in the eyes of most countries, and they are trying everything to counter China.

Only China is to blame, no one else. It is a pandemic and also, it has prevented one of the most basic human tendency, which is socialise and connect with other people.
If they had clearly communicated the problem, instead of branding countries trying to ban flights from China as racists, this would have been contained.

How do other countries deal with something and determine how much dangerous it The information coming from China was not transparent, and still nothing has changed.
 
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Much rather have the Russian Sputnik vaccine than anything Chinese.
 
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