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Anyone thinking that we will perform like a top team in upcoming World Cup must be kidding himself or dreaming. I will be pleasantly surprised if we win more than 4 matches in the World Cup with the 15 announced.

Here is Pakistani ODI batting S/R (ability to score runs in 50 overs) and bowling S/R (ability to take wickets) in comparison with other teams since 1/1/2018.

Also notice batting average, bowling average..... which at the bottom of the table also.


Batting:

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Bowling:
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Let's be honest, it's going to take a miracle for Pakistan to win the World Cup.

A couple of players are going to have to play out of their skins for success at the World Cup.
 
Let's be honest, it's going to take a miracle for Pakistan to win the World Cup.

A couple of players are going to have to play out of their skins for success at the World Cup.


It isn't going to happen this year, not while Hafeez, Malik and Safaraz occupy three spots in the top 6.
 
Afghanistan included.....

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Qualifying for Semis will be kind of miracle.
Cant see them Finishing above England, India , Australia and New Zealand.
I am afriad they may finish below West indies even.
 
Thanks. England is at a different level in batting. Same with India in bowling. There's a reason India should not tinker with its bowling combination.
 
Good work.

As a team we have been mediocre for sometime now and there is no denying that however you just need 2,3 players to find form and rest to just support them to compete well. We were inexperienced and mediocre team in terms of performances even before CT 17 however Hassan Ali and Fakhar Zaman got their form just at the right time.

As a team we have been poor but I still believe individually some players have the ability to create an impact if they find the right form.

One of the reasons I have been against current team management for couple of years now is this very reason that as a team we have been mediocre and whatever we have achieved is due to individual brilliance of players so it means potential is there but they just havent been able to find that integration as a whole in the unit.

By the way I think we might be the only team in the world cup whose top 3 have just played around 100 ODIs combined and except one none of the bowlers selected in WC have played even 50 ODIs.
 
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Pakistan's WC players record against other WC teams from 2018

Batting
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[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]SR [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][td]4s [/td][td]6s [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imam-ul-Haq [/td][td]15 [/td][td]561 [/td][td]40.07 [/td][td]73.52 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]36 [/td][td]8 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shoaib Malik [/td][td]19 [/td][td]506 [/td][td]29.76 [/td][td]75.86 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]8 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Fakhar Zaman [/td][td]16 [/td][td]503 [/td][td]33.53 [/td][td]82.18 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]57 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Babar Azam [/td][td]17 [/td][td]487 [/td][td]30.43 [/td][td]75.5 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]44 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Haris Sohail [/td][td]9 [/td][td]477 [/td][td]59.62 [/td][td]82.24 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]39 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Hafeez [/td][td]13 [/td][td]343 [/td][td]34.3 [/td][td]86.39 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]33 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imad Wasim [/td][td]11 [/td][td]281 [/td][td]93.66 [/td][td]116.59 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sarfaraz Ahmed [/td][td]15 [/td][td]273 [/td][td]22.75 [/td][td]75.83 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shadab Khan [/td][td]16 [/td][td]226 [/td][td]22.6 [/td][td]61.91 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Hasan Ali [/td][td]14 [/td][td]148 [/td][td]16.44 [/td][td]114.72 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]8 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Faheem Ashraf [/td][td]12 [/td][td]126 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]82.35 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Abid Ali [/td][td]2 [/td][td]112 [/td][td]56 [/td][td]93.33 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shaheen Shah Afridi [/td][td]10 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]53.57 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Junaid Khan [/td][td]5 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]44.44 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Hasnain [/td][td]3 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
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Bowling

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[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Overs [/td][td]Wkts [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]Econ [/td][td]SR [/td][td]4W [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shaheen Shah Afridi [/td][td]10 [/td][td]76.5 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]19.36 [/td][td]4.78 [/td][td]24.2 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shadab Khan [/td][td]16 [/td][td]127.3 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]37.29 [/td][td]4.97 [/td][td]45 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Hasan Ali [/td][td]14 [/td][td]108.4 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]49.23 [/td][td]5.88 [/td][td]50.1 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Junaid Khan [/td][td]5 [/td][td]46 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]31.62 [/td][td]5.5 [/td][td]34.5 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Faheem Ashraf [/td][td]12 [/td][td]85.5 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]66.28 [/td][td]5.4 [/td][td]73.5 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imad Wasim [/td][td]11 [/td][td]92 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]91.6 [/td][td]4.97 [/td][td]110.4 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Haris Sohail [/td][td]9 [/td][td]26 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]67 [/td][td]5.15 [/td][td]78 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Hasnain [/td][td]3 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]78 [/td][td]6.78 [/td][td]69 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Hafeez [/td][td]13 [/td][td]26 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]119 [/td][td]4.57 [/td][td]156 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shoaib Malik [/td][td]19 [/td][td]19.3 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]- [/td][td]5.58 [/td][td]- [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
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Updated bowling data by replacing Shadab Khan with Yasir Shah

[table=width: 500, class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Overs [/td][td]Wkts [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]Econ [/td][td]SR [/td][td]4W [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shaheen Shah Afridi [/td][td]10 [/td][td]76.5 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]19.36 [/td][td]4.78 [/td][td]24.2 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Hasan Ali [/td][td]14 [/td][td]108.4 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]49.23 [/td][td]5.88 [/td][td]50.1 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Junaid Khan [/td][td]5 [/td][td]46 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]31.62 [/td][td]5.5 [/td][td]34.5 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Faheem Ashraf [/td][td]12 [/td][td]85.5 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]66.28 [/td][td]5.4 [/td][td]73.5 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imad Wasim [/td][td]11 [/td][td]92 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]91.6 [/td][td]4.97 [/td][td]110.4 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Yasir Shah [/td][td]5 [/td][td]50 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]70.75 [/td][td]5.66 [/td][td]75 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Haris Sohail [/td][td]9 [/td][td]26 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]67 [/td][td]5.15 [/td][td]78 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Hasnain [/td][td]3 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]78 [/td][td]6.78 [/td][td]69 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Hafeez [/td][td]13 [/td][td]26 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]119 [/td][td]4.57 [/td][td]156 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shoaib Malik [/td][td]19 [/td][td]19.3 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]- [/td][td]5.58 [/td][td]- [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
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The lists (by WL) is indeed indicative, but it doesn't factor one key element - context, it doesn't reflect how good or bad a team is doing on a particular venue or type of conditions.

A better way to look at is probably the gap between batting & bowling average, which should normalize the diversity of condition significantly. Similarly bowling economy & SR of batting (converted to 6 balls, still a 2nd decimal level gap will be there because bowling economy includes extras (W, N)). If I take the data from last 2 tables, this is what it looks -

Team Avg. - Bat Avg. - Ball Gap (Bat - Ball) Batting SR Per 6 Balls Bowling Eco. Gap (Bat - Ball)
AFG 33.39 27.68 5.71 78.81 4.73 4.28 0.45
AUS 32.78 38.98 -6.20 89.61 5.38 5.62 -0.24
BD 26.41 33.39 -6.98 76.31 4.58 4.82 -0.24
ENG 37.70 36.06 1.64 97.69 5.86 5.73 0.13
IND 41.31 29.95 11.36 89.41 5.36 5.15 0.21
NZL 35.47 31.49 3.98 90.62 5.44 5.27 0.17
PAK 29.37 47.99 -18.62 80.57 4.83 5.37 -0.54
SAF 32.76 33.62 -0.86 89.10 5.35 5.32 0.03
SRL 24.19 36.48 -12.29 85.63 5.14 5.85 -0.71
WIN 28.81 47.60 -18.79 85.41 5.12 5.90 -0.78
 
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This tournament is a gift and a farewell to legends like Sarfraz, Hafeez and Malik. Winning trophy is a secondary objective here.
 
The lists (by WL) is indeed indicative, but it doesn't factor one key element - context, it doesn't reflect how good or bad a team is doing on a particular venue or type of conditions.

A better way to look at is probably the gap between batting & bowling average, which should normalize the diversity of condition significantly. Similarly bowling economy & SR of batting (converted to 6 balls, still a 2nd decimal level gap will be there because bowling economy includes extras (W, N)). If I take the data from last 2 tables, this is what it looks -

Team Avg. - Bat Avg. - Ball Gap (Bat - Ball) Batting SR Per 6 Balls Bowling Eco. Gap (Bat - Ball)
AFG 33.39 27.68 5.71 78.81 4.73 4.28 0.45
AUS 32.78 38.98 -6.20 89.61 5.38 5.62 -0.24
BD 26.41 33.39 -6.98 76.31 4.58 4.82 -0.24
ENG 37.70 36.06 1.64 97.69 5.86 5.73 0.13
IND 41.31 29.95 11.36 89.41 5.36 5.15 0.21
NZL 35.47 31.49 3.98 90.62 5.44 5.27 0.17
PAK 29.37 47.99 -18.62 80.57 4.83 5.37 -0.54
SAF 32.76 33.62 -0.86 89.10 5.35 5.32 0.03
SRL 24.19 36.48 -12.29 85.63 5.14 5.85 -0.71
WIN 28.81 47.60 -18.79 85.41 5.12 5.90 -0.78

These stats are way too flattering to team India. Our was going through some good period in that time. But teams have started to counter our spinners recently.
 
Anyone thinking that we will perform like a top team in upcoming World Cup must be kidding himself or dreaming. I will be pleasantly surprised if we win more than 4 matches in the World Cup with the 15 announced.

Here is Pakistani ODI batting S/R (ability to score runs in 50 overs) and bowling S/R (ability to take wickets) in comparison with other teams since 1/1/2018.

Also notice batting average, bowling average..... which at the bottom of the table also.


Batting:

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Bowling:
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Welcome back brother, I've missed your highlighted stats. Good points re: Pakistan ODI hopes, can't see them doing much in the WC
 
The most telling/worrying stat..... :uak:uak

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[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] - this thread will send wrist slitters into full force just over a month before the world cup......think it's time to get the squad back together....

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Good work on stats but whats the point of others by bringing different kind of stats proving the same point again and again that Pak side is pretty mediocre?

Pak hasnt been a favorite to win any tournament since 1999-2003, so I dont think these stats are gonna matter much in proving any kind of point.

Is it to reassure yourself that Pak isnt gonna do much in WC and wont be beating some other teams? Relax guys :bm
 
These stats are way too flattering to team India. Our was going through some good period in that time. But teams have started to counter our spinners recently.

I think, the sample size is too small to be conclusive, rather it's only indicative. The most surprising team in that list are the AFGs, and the reason is also explainable - they played 7 games (5 in Asia cup, 2 in WC Qualifier against WIN), won 4, tied one & lost 2. Those 2 were narrow losses in Asia Cup, but they had 2 resounding wins against BD & SRL, 2 comfortable wins against WIN. Similarly, IND's record is great and would have been even better until the last 3 ODIs because of dominance in Asia Cup, NZ series. One of the reasons for this big gap (IND) is that, team is extremely consistent - apart from one game against Kiwis, almost every game they lost by little margin, while have won few games by some dominance - 2 against PAK, one against Kiwis, couple against WIN I can recall. But yes, it'll be normalized over time.

Not going by the magnitude of the gap, from the indication, it's quite clear that most posters are correct about predicting 3 Semi Finalists - ENG, IND & NZ. For the 4th spot, AFG are favorite which is the limitation of such tables. AUS & BD are closely matched and AUS would have been among bottom before the last 8 games and they are likely to replace AFG's for the last spot of SF- SAF is a close miss, and then you have the bottom half.
 
I think, the sample size is too small to be conclusive, rather it's only indicative. The most surprising team in that list are the AFGs, and the reason is also explainable - they played 7 games (5 in Asia cup, 2 in WC Qualifier against WIN), won 4, tied one & lost 2. Those 2 were narrow losses in Asia Cup, but they had 2 resounding wins against BD & SRL, 2 comfortable wins against WIN. Similarly, IND's record is great and would have been even better until the last 3 ODIs because of dominance in Asia Cup, NZ series. One of the reasons for this big gap (IND) is that, team is extremely consistent - apart from one game against Kiwis, almost every game they lost by little margin, while have won few games by some dominance - 2 against PAK, one against Kiwis, couple against WIN I can recall. But yes, it'll be normalized over time.

Not going by the magnitude of the gap, from the indication, it's quite clear that most posters are correct about predicting 3 Semi Finalists - ENG, IND & NZ. For the 4th spot, AFG are favorite which is the limitation of such tables. AUS & BD are closely matched and AUS would have been among bottom before the last 8 games and they are likely to replace AFG's for the last spot of SF- SAF is a close miss, and then you have the bottom half.

Afg are definitely not making the semi's. As for Bangladesh they will need to be at their best if they have a chance. I can easily see Australia making the semis over someone like NZ. If bangladesh or AFG are going to make it ahead of SAF, PAK, AUS,WIN then those teams would need to have a shocking world cup.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
How?
Can you take one example e.g. Pakistan and explain how these two indicators are the "key elements"...an d indicative of the recent form of the teams in comparison to each other?
 
2018 was a massive reality check for our fans who thought we were invincible after the Champions Trophy.

This is a poor side that will lose to quality teams more often than not. You can’t always win tournaments by catching better teams on their off days - Pakistan will have show a lot of consistency in the World Cup and I don’t think they are capable.
 
But despite all of the poor numbers, Pakistan is such a team that could surprise everyone and win the World Cup.

A long shot, but not impossible.

For me, Fakhar Zaman is the key player for Pakistan at the World Cup - the batting revolves around him.
 
Anyone thinking that we will perform like a top team in upcoming World Cup must be kidding himself or dreaming. I will be pleasantly surprised if we win more than 4 matches in the World Cup with the 15 announced.

Here is Pakistani ODI batting S/R (ability to score runs in 50 overs) and bowling S/R (ability to take wickets) in comparison with other teams since 1/1/2018.

Also notice batting average, bowling average..... which at the bottom of the table also.


Batting:

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Bowling:
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Can I ask where you got these stats from? Because a quick search via statsguru on cricinfo, shows that the Pakistan national side averages 35.72 in the 28 matches they have played since 1 Jan 2018.

How did you get it so wrong?
 
Can I ask where you got these stats from? Because a quick search via statsguru on cricinfo, shows that the Pakistan national side averages 35.72 in the 28 matches they have played since 1 Jan 2018.

How did you get it so wrong?

Zimbabwe?...... Filters?....Acche Din?
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
How?
Can you take one example e.g. Pakistan and explain how these two indicators are the "key elements"...an d indicative of the recent form of the teams in comparison to each other?

I think, giving individual game as an example could be risky for any such data. Take the CT Final - no analysis can justify that result. Similarly, opposite is also applicable - this time again that CT Final and for IND. Over a significant number of games (I think, statistical significance is randomly picked 30), we can see a trend that's indicative - can give a reflection of relative stands of the teams.

Coming to the two elements, indeed for a game limited by overs, scoring rate, average, economy & strike rate are the key elements (bowling SR is significant indirectly because it impacts the batting average). Sides winning more games will have better average, SR & economy in LO games for sure, which probably is understandable. However, depending on the win margins, figures might differ case to case basis. For example, take this PAK-AUS series - I am sure the average, SR & economy chart will be much closer than 5-0 margin.

Looking at the batting average or SR, without looking at the other side (bowling), could be a bit misleading because per for each game is different. Take ENG, they are the top ODI side these days and their batting SR is quite high, but same is their bowling economy - which suggests that in general ENG have participated more numbers of high scoring games where per for the game was higher. Similarly, bowling stats for Bangladesh is flattering - only 2nd to AFGs in economy and quite high in average table as well, and these stats would have been significantly better before the NZ series. It indicates two clues: we have played more low scoring games, and we have played more against lower ranked teams (whose stats are lower in the rank of these tables as well).

Overall, excluding AFGs, IND, ENG & NZ has significantly better & balanced stats, while PAK, WIN & SRL has inferior stats - which indicates in their ranking as well. But, ranking is done over 3+ years performance and you have taken data for last 15 months, hence PAK's stats are much worse than the ranking position, because it's not capturing CT'17 win, 5-0 against SRL & 6-1 against WIN. And, if you go back by 3 months to include those 3 ODIs in SAF, BD's stats will be much worse in terms of bowling, but a little better in batting, because those were very high scoring games. Also, some teams are playing higher ranked (In terms of stats in the tables) teams more, while some teams are doing opposite - that makes IND, NZ, SAF & ENG's stats (& Gap) even more significant.

If you run the tables exactly from the date ICC ranking is accounted for, I am sure the correlation between the stats, or the "Gap" will be very high with team's respective ranking position.
 
Afg are definitely not making the semi's. As for Bangladesh they will need to be at their best if they have a chance. I can easily see Australia making the semis over someone like NZ. If bangladesh or AFG are going to make it ahead of SAF, PAK, AUS,WIN then those teams would need to have a shocking world cup.

In any way we slice & dice data, there is a clear pattern in cricket world - top 5 & bottom 5. Aussies bluff teams doing mockery with bilateral series, hence their ranking or any such stats are a bit misleading, otherwise there is a distinct gap between ENG, IND, AUS, NZ & SAF with rest. But, that doesn't mean one team can't have a over or under per tournament (otherwise there is no point in playing any tournament - FIFA or ICC ranking should be enough to find out winners). For BD, it's near impossible to make SF out of 9 games.
 
I think, giving individual game as an example could be risky for any such data. Take the CT Final - no analysis can justify that result. Similarly, opposite is also applicable - this time again that CT Final and for IND. Over a significant number of games (I think, statistical significance is randomly picked 30), we can see a trend that's indicative - can give a reflection of relative stands of the teams.

Coming to the two elements, indeed for a game limited by overs, scoring rate, average, economy & strike rate are the key elements (bowling SR is significant indirectly because it impacts the batting average). Sides winning more games will have better average, SR & economy in LO games for sure, which probably is understandable. However, depending on the win margins, figures might differ case to case basis. For example, take this PAK-AUS series - I am sure the average, SR & economy chart will be much closer than 5-0 margin.

Looking at the batting average or SR, without looking at the other side (bowling), could be a bit misleading because per for each game is different. Take ENG, they are the top ODI side these days and their batting SR is quite high, but same is their bowling economy - which suggests that in general ENG have participated more numbers of high scoring games where per for the game was higher. Similarly, bowling stats for Bangladesh is flattering - only 2nd to AFGs in economy and quite high in average table as well, and these stats would have been significantly better before the NZ series. It indicates two clues: we have played more low scoring games, and we have played more against lower ranked teams (whose stats are lower in the rank of these tables as well).

Overall, excluding AFGs, IND, ENG & NZ has significantly better & balanced stats, while PAK, WIN & SRL has inferior stats - which indicates in their ranking as well. But, ranking is done over 3+ years performance and you have taken data for last 15 months, hence PAK's stats are much worse than the ranking position, because it's not capturing CT'17 win, 5-0 against SRL & 6-1 against WIN. And, if you go back by 3 months to include those 3 ODIs in SAF, BD's stats will be much worse in terms of bowling, but a little better in batting, because those were very high scoring games. Also, some teams are playing higher ranked (In terms of stats in the tables) teams more, while some teams are doing opposite - that makes IND, NZ, SAF & ENG's stats (& Gap) even more significant.

If you run the tables exactly from the date ICC ranking is accounted for, I am sure the correlation between the stats, or the "Gap" will be very high with team's respective ranking position.

May be I am misunderstanding your stats and argument but see below where does your "key factor" put Afghanistan! Why and how? Does Afghanistan truly belong at #1 and #2 positions? Is Afghanistan among the top two teams since 1/1/2018?

These are your stats ..... separated and sorted;

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Pakistan is still playing the 90's and early 2000's brand of cricket today whereas the rest of the world has moved on. We refuse to change our ways. Mohd Wasim in one of his videos blamed domestic cricket, domestic coaches and the general culture of selfishness in Pakistani players where they are more concerned about their spots in the team, the coaches don't encourage players to think outside the box, attempt expansive shots
 
Pakistan is still playing the 90's and early 2000's brand of cricket today whereas the rest of the world has moved on. We refuse to change our ways. Mohd Wasim in one of his videos blamed domestic cricket, domestic coaches and the general culture of selfishness in Pakistani players where they are more concerned about their spots in the team, the coaches don't encourage players to think outside the box, attempt expansive shots

Below is a list of batsmen and their stats since 1/1/2016. These batsmen scored 500 or more run, S/R of 89+ with less than 10% of the runs coming from sixes. So the point is.... one does not have to put every ball over the rope (play expansive shot) to have S/R of 90+.

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Look at Warner's S/R.
 
May be I am misunderstanding your stats and argument but see below where does your "key factor" put Afghanistan! Why and how? Does Afghanistan truly belong at #1 and #2 positions? Is Afghanistan among the top two teams since 1/1/2018?

These are your stats ..... separated and sorted;

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I explained that in Post No. 22 ......
 
Anyone thinking that we will perform like a top team in upcoming World Cup must be kidding himself or dreaming. I will be pleasantly surprised if we win more than 4 matches in the World Cup with the 15 announced.

Here is Pakistani ODI batting S/R (ability to score runs in 50 overs) and bowling S/R (ability to take wickets) in comparison with other teams since 1/1/2018.

Also notice batting average, bowling average..... which at the bottom of the table also.


Batting:

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Bowling:
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Very nicely put
W63L35 bhai so what do you propose if the selected 15 aren't good enough as in what changes should Pakistan make after the ENG series?
I would definitely axe Malik for Khushdil
Bowling is new and raw since the likes of Shaheen and Hasnain have not played so many ODIs
 
Very nicely put
W63L35 bhai so what do you propose if the selected 15 aren't good enough as in what changes should Pakistan make after the ENG series?
I would definitely axe Malik for Khushdil
Bowling is new and raw since the likes of Shaheen and Hasnain have not played so many ODIs

Simply train/find/select batsmen who can bat with higher S/R. But that is not going to happen overnight or before the WC.

I have not seen Khushdil play so I can't comment.
I would play Umar Akmal well ahead of Malik.
In fact I would also play Asif Ali somehow in the team. NZ has selected Munro who has batting average of 24 but S/R 114 or so.

Last two World Cups have been won by the teams with the highest S/R in the tournament. It is not going to be different this time either.

I have been saying this since 2011..... you will win ODIs and T20s only if you score more runs in 300 and 120 deliveries. Under Misbah's captaincy we won a few ODIs with S/R of 75 and score of 230-250 because we had three spinners (ajmal, hafeez and Afridi) who choked the opposition batsmen. We do not have those bowlers anymore. So scores of even 270-280 by Pakistan will not be enough to win matches in the WC. I am starting a thread on history of 1st innings ODI scores in England during last 4 years. So you see and realize what our chance are in this WC.
 
Pakistan's WC players record against other WC teams from 2018

Batting
[table=width: 500, class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]SR [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][td]4s [/td][td]6s [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imam-ul-Haq [/td][td]15 [/td][td]561 [/td][td]40.07 [/td][td]73.52 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]36 [/td][td]8 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shoaib Malik [/td][td]19 [/td][td]506 [/td][td]29.76 [/td][td]75.86 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]8 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Fakhar Zaman [/td][td]16 [/td][td]503 [/td][td]33.53 [/td][td]82.18 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]57 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Babar Azam [/td][td]17 [/td][td]487 [/td][td]30.43 [/td][td]75.5 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]44 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Haris Sohail [/td][td]9 [/td][td]477 [/td][td]59.62 [/td][td]82.24 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]39 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Hafeez [/td][td]13 [/td][td]343 [/td][td]34.3 [/td][td]86.39 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]33 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imad Wasim [/td][td]11 [/td][td]281 [/td][td]93.66 [/td][td]116.59 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sarfaraz Ahmed [/td][td]15 [/td][td]273 [/td][td]22.75 [/td][td]75.83 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shadab Khan [/td][td]16 [/td][td]226 [/td][td]22.6 [/td][td]61.91 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Hasan Ali [/td][td]14 [/td][td]148 [/td][td]16.44 [/td][td]114.72 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]8 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Faheem Ashraf [/td][td]12 [/td][td]126 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]82.35 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Abid Ali [/td][td]2 [/td][td]112 [/td][td]56 [/td][td]93.33 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shaheen Shah Afridi [/td][td]10 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]53.57 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Junaid Khan [/td][td]5 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]44.44 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Hasnain [/td][td]3 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

Bowling

[table=width: 500, class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Overs [/td][td]Wkts [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]Econ [/td][td]SR [/td][td]4W [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shaheen Shah Afridi [/td][td]10 [/td][td]76.5 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]19.36 [/td][td]4.78 [/td][td]24.2 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shadab Khan [/td][td]16 [/td][td]127.3 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]37.29 [/td][td]4.97 [/td][td]45 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Hasan Ali [/td][td]14 [/td][td]108.4 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]49.23 [/td][td]5.88 [/td][td]50.1 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Junaid Khan [/td][td]5 [/td][td]46 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]31.62 [/td][td]5.5 [/td][td]34.5 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Faheem Ashraf [/td][td]12 [/td][td]85.5 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]66.28 [/td][td]5.4 [/td][td]73.5 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imad Wasim [/td][td]11 [/td][td]92 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]91.6 [/td][td]4.97 [/td][td]110.4 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Haris Sohail [/td][td]9 [/td][td]26 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]67 [/td][td]5.15 [/td][td]78 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Hasnain [/td][td]3 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]78 [/td][td]6.78 [/td][td]69 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Hafeez [/td][td]13 [/td][td]26 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]119 [/td][td]4.57 [/td][td]156 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shoaib Malik [/td][td]19 [/td][td]19.3 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]- [/td][td]5.58 [/td][td]- [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

What atrocious stats for Shadab and Faheem !

Yet these two are considered as our two undroppable young guns of the future by our team management.
 
Anyone thinking that we will perform like a top team in upcoming World Cup must be kidding himself or dreaming. I will be pleasantly surprised if we win more than 4 matches in the World Cup with the 15 announced.

Here is Pakistani ODI batting S/R (ability to score runs in 50 overs) and bowling S/R (ability to take wickets) in comparison with other teams since 1/1/2018.

Also notice batting average, bowling average..... which at the bottom of the table also.


Batting:

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Bowling:
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[MENTION=2344]W63L35[/MENTION] I wonder what will Pakistan's stats be after this series.

Also do you feel that if we rest Malik and Hafeez and go with Asif (and Shadab) like we have played in the last two matches without them we would have a better chance of making it to the semis?
 
In a world cup where you play just one match against opposition things can be dramatic. Very good teams can implode. Average teams can punch way above their weight. It is somewhat an unpredictable tournament if you ask me.
 
And our fans have the nerve to say it's the weakest "Australian or weakest South African team ". I think this is one of the poorer Pakistan teams going to a WC.

Sarfraz as captain
Faheem as a all rounder
Imad and Shadab as frontline spinners.

Your telling me this isn't a decline on what we have had at other WCs?
 
And our fans have the nerve to say it's the weakest "Australian or weakest South African team ". I think this is one of the poorer Pakistan teams going to a WC.

Sarfraz as captain
Faheem as a all rounder
Imad and Shadab as frontline spinners.

Your telling me this isn't a decline on what we have had at other WCs?

Some fans are thinking by scoring 350 twice the batting has become great pitches are easy to bat on 350 is below par the bowlers are losing confidence quickly fast bowlers need to revise their plans.
 
Some fans are thinking by scoring 350 twice the batting has become great pitches are easy to bat on 350 is below par the bowlers are losing confidence quickly fast bowlers need to revise their plans.


If we were to play on a bowling friendly pitch against a better attack, I don’t see this line up scoring enough. And our bowlers could mess it up if we go t a decent score anyway.
 
Some fans are thinking by scoring 350 twice the batting has become great pitches are easy to bat on 350 is below par the bowlers are losing confidence quickly fast bowlers need to revise their plans.

Pakistan cannot bat better than this. These runs from the batsmen are a bonus, the bowlers need to earn their keep or be shown the door.
 
And our fans have the nerve to say it's the weakest "Australian or weakest South African team ". I think this is one of the poorer Pakistan teams going to a WC.

Sarfraz as captain
Faheem as a all rounder
Imad and Shadab as frontline spinners.

Your telling me this isn't a decline on what we have had at other WCs?

Still feel much better about this side then the last one we had going down and under. We had an opening pair of Nasir and Shehzad with a middle order consisting of Younis, Umar Akmal, Shahid Afridi, etc. Not only that but on paper our bowling line-up looked the weakest ever Wahab, Irfan, Rahat, Sohail, Yasir.

At least this time around our batting looks in good touch and I don't just say that based on this series but overall our batting has done pretty decent. Bowling needs to be worked on certainly, Faheem will surely be dropped also which will only enhance our team in all 3 departments. Honestly I think we will do much better than what a lot of people are thinking. England are just beasts right now in Bilateral ODI's with the bat.
 
And our fans have the nerve to say it's the weakest "Australian or weakest South African team ". I think this is one of the poorer Pakistan teams going to a WC.

Sarfraz as captain
Faheem as a all rounder
Imad and Shadab as frontline spinners.

Your telling me this isn't a decline on what we have had at other WCs?

Sir tell me one batsman in the last 2 wc that had an average above 50 just ONE?

no doubt this squad is weak but it's our best since 1999

We have top 4 who average 40+

If Shadab returns and Amir finds form we can definitely dp something in the WC
 
[MENTION=2344]W63L35[/MENTION] I wonder what will Pakistan's stats be after this series.
I will post the stats. :)


[MENTION=2344]W63L35[/MENTION]
Also do you feel that if we rest Malik and Hafeez and go with Asif (and Shadab) like we have played in the last two matches without them we would have a better chance of making it to the semis?

350 in every match is a must.
Fully fit and in-form Shadab is a must for the WC.
Malik must be out of the 15 for the squad.
The team management has not tried Husnanin in this series.... who is part of the WC squad. That is a mistake. This series should have given him experience for the WC.
Asif is a must for the WC.


We need to win 6-7 matches to make it to the semi-final. With the current team, I don't see that happening but we might do better than 2015 WC.
 
Still feel much better about this side then the last one we had going down and under. We had an opening pair of Nasir and Shehzad with a middle order consisting of Younis, Umar Akmal, Shahid Afridi, etc. Not only that but on paper our bowling line-up looked the weakest ever Wahab, Irfan, Rahat, Sohail, Yasir.

At least this time around our batting looks in good touch and I don't just say that based on this series but overall our batting has done pretty decent. Bowling needs to be worked on certainly, Faheem will surely be dropped also which will only enhance our team in all 3 departments. Honestly I think we will do much better than what a lot of people are thinking. England are just beasts right now in Bilateral ODI's with the bat.


The gap is not that big between the 2 teams. And even if it is a better team that is not the aim of our team to have a better team than the last WC. Our aim should be to be the best in the world.

Our batting still has issues. Knowing Inzi and our think tank they will go with Hafeez,Malik,and Sarfraz in the middle order and that is a crap middle order.
 
Sir tell me one batsman in the last 2 wc that had an average above 50 just ONE?

no doubt this squad is weak but it's our best since 1999

We have top 4 who average 40+

If Shadab returns and Amir finds form we can definitely dp something in the WC


They have 50 averages but most of their best innings have been against the weaker teams.

Lol this squad is average. Saying it's the best since 99 isn't saying much to be honest.

Shadab has regressed and struggled against better teams, Amir should be in the team but he doesn't have a consistent history of running through teams. They won't make this team into world beaters.
 
Still feel much better about this side then the last one we had going down and under. We had an opening pair of Nasir and Shehzad with a middle order consisting of Younis, Umar Akmal, Shahid Afridi, etc. Not only that but on paper our bowling line-up looked the weakest ever Wahab, Irfan, Rahat, Sohail, Yasir.

At least this time around our batting looks in good touch and I don't just say that based on this series but overall our batting has done pretty decent. Bowling needs to be worked on certainly, Faheem will surely be dropped also which will only enhance our team in all 3 departments. Honestly I think we will do much better than what a lot of people are thinking. England are just beasts right now in Bilateral ODI's with the bat.

Our batting is far better than 2015. We have a solid top 4 with a couple aggressors in Asif Ali and Fakhar Zaman.
 
Our batting is far better than 2015. We have a solid top 4 with a couple aggressors in Asif Ali and Fakhar Zaman.

Agreed, don’t remember the last time Pakistan had such a settled top 4 in ODI’s. Bowling on paper looks better too just guys haven’t been able to deliver so far.
 
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