South Africa's Global T20 League heading for loss

[MenInG]

South Africa's new Global T20 league will go ahead, Cricket South Africa (CSA) pledged on Friday, but it is expected to lose money for the first two seasons.

No broadcast deal has yet been signed but CSA vice-president and acting chief executive Thabang Moroe said negotiations were well-advanced. “It is just a matter of agreeing the finer details,” he said.

Moroe said a deal in the region of $70-80 million was being sought, but admitted that CSA was expecting a net loss of about $25m, while franchise owners would lose about $1.5m in the first season.

Moroe and CSA President Chris Nenzani briefed reporters for the first time since last week's announcement of the departure of chief executive Haroon Lorgat, which media speculation linked to unhappiness over Lorgat's negotiations for the league.

Nenzani said: “We are working very hard to ensure the Global T20 league launches on November 3. The key issue is to get a broadcast deal on the table.” The league is planned as South Africa's equivalent of the Indian Premier League and Australia's Big Bash League.

Seven of the eight teams are foreign-owned and several leading international players as well as all South Africa's top players are committed to playing.

Moroe said owners had been consulted. “They are all committed to staying in the league and the owners are happy to accept there will be losses for the first two years.” Moroe said negotiations for a title sponsor were taking place but admitted: “Everything hangs on a broadcast deal. “

https://www.dawn.com/news/1362097/south-africas-global-t20-league-heading-for-loss

 

[Convict]

The amount of the loss is high but every league will take a while to breakeven.

 

[Reddy]

Haroon Lorgat asking IPL prices from SuperSport ( Africa's biggest broadcaster) was a big joke and this huge expectation led to this chaos and huge losses which resulted in Lorgat getting fired.

SuperSport rightly said that they will pay one third of what they pay IPL for African Broadcast rights and nothing more. It is just Lorgat's dream and Ego of matching BCCI which caused his downfall.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Losses are to be expected initially,as with any other business venture.

 

[Reddy]

The amount of the loss is high but every league will take a while to breakeven.

Losses are to be expected initially,as with any other business venture.

The reason why it is being seen as crisis situation and which led to firing of Haroon Lorgat is CSA losing 25 Million USD in the first year itself which is more than 50% of their total reserves.

The only reason CSA will not be bankrupt by the time this tournament reaches second season is the money CSA will generate from the upcoming India tour in Jan which should prop them up for another year or two.

 

[sshakir411]

Why is every thread on leagues that are not IPL ruined by the Indians chest thumping about how great IPL is? This forceful mention of IPL in every t20 league thread is seriously annoying.

Lorgat might be dumb but he's not stupid..no way in hell he thought he could match IPL. He tried to get a price, failed, and lost his job.

All other leagues have lost money due to the initial set-up costs. Nothing out of the ordinary here.

 

[Reddy]

Why is every thread on leagues that are not IPL ruined by the Indians chest thumping about how great IPL is? This forceful mention of IPL in every t20 league thread is seriously annoying.

Lorgat might be dumb but he's not stupid..no way in hell he thought he could match IPL. He tried to get a price, failed, and lost his job.

All other leagues have lost money due to the initial set-up costs. Nothing out of the ordinary here.

Looks like I touched a nerve here, the fact is that Lorgat asked SuperSports the same price that they pay for African rights for the IPL, his understanding was that if you are paying this much for the local broadcast of IPL which is a foreign league then you should be able to match that for the homegrown league.

Lorgat was fighting with the only big broadcaster in South Africa and at the same time had sidelined several other CSA officials trying to behave like Lalit Modi. His dream and Ego to match BCCI/IPL at least in the African broadcast market led to his downfall.

 

[Convict]

Looks like I touched a nerve here, the fact is that Lorgat asked SuperSports the same price that they pay for African rights for the IPL, his understanding was that if you are paying this much for the local broadcast of IPL which is a foreign league then you should be able to match that for the homegrown league.

Lorgat was fighting with the only big broadcaster in South Africa and at the same time had sidelined several other CSA officials trying to behave like Lalit Modi. His dream and Ego to match BCCI/IPL at least in the African broadcast market led to his downfall.

It should have matched IPL easy in Africa.

Like how IPL isn't even big enough to make Australian tv at all.

 

[USofA]

It should have matched IPL easy in Africa.

Like how IPL isn't even big enough to make Australian tv at all.

Why would IPL or any T20 league for that matter, be broadcast anywhere outside of its target market? These are just domestic leagues. No one outside the target audience can relate to these teams. So it will be a surprise IF these things are broadcast and not the other way around.

 

[Reddy]

It should have matched IPL easy in Africa.

Like how IPL isn't even big enough to make Australian tv at all.

The point is not about Australian or Indian TV market, it is all about African TV broadcast deal. SuperSports did not think that SA T20 League is worth as much as IPL in Africa, they quoted one-third the amount which is logical as IPL is the best T20 league in the world But Haroon Lorgat took it on his Ego to match the BCCI and IPL as he had fights with them before wanted to match them at least in the African market and become independent from depending on the Indian tours for generating cash.

It is now very ironical to see that the huge mess which Lorgat created due to his Ego led to him getting fired and also CSA depending even more on the upcoming Indian tour to prop up their finances above water for the next one or two years.

 

[JattMaula]

Why would IPL or any T20 league for that matter, be broadcast anywhere outside of its target market? These are just domestic leagues. No one outside the target audience can relate to these teams. So it will be a surprise IF these things are broadcast and not the other way around.

EPL has massive following outside England.

 

[R0H1T]

It should have matched IPL easy in Africa.

Like how IPL isn't even big enough to make Australian tv at all.

Like we depend on Australian TV or something, unlike say STAR which buys South Asia rights from you & NZ!

 

[sshakir411]

Looks like I touched a nerve here, the fact is that Lorgat asked SuperSports the same price that they pay for African rights for the IPL, his understanding was that if you are paying this much for the local broadcast of IPL which is a foreign league then you should be able to match that for the homegrown league.

Lorgat was fighting with the only big broadcaster in South Africa and at the same time had sidelined several other CSA officials trying to behave like Lalit Modi. His dream and Ego to match BCCI/IPL at least in the African broadcast market led to his downfall.

No, you did not. I find it disturbing that the only people who constantly feel the need to bring IPL in to other league discussions are Indians..Why? It's the best league for you all..I don't get why this thread had to include IPL when it had nothing to do with it?

You seem to know a lot about Lorgat's dreams and ego...I don't so I won't make comments on what he was trying to achieve.

 

[nighthawk23]

The amount of the loss is high but every league will take a while to breakeven.

Yes but every other league isn't entirely built on foreign capital and investment with the home board only providing the venues. Losing $25 million on such an investment is a ****up of historical proportions.

 

[Reddy]

No, you did not. I find it disturbing that the only people who constantly feel the need to bring IPL in to other league discussions are Indians..Why? It's the best league for you all..I don't get why this thread had to include IPL when it had nothing to do with it?

You seem to know a lot about Lorgat's dreams and ego...I don't so I won't make comments on what he was trying to achieve.

Come on, why are Pakistanis so salty about IPL, just even the mention of IPL boils your blood as can be seen on this thread. We even let you play in it till the time you guys tried to arm-twist IPL by stopping your players from participating in 2009 which later backfired massively for both Pakistani players and the PCB as they used to get 10% of the cut.

As for this topic, it is mentioned all over the news that Lorgat was asking SuperSport to match the IPL pricing and this led to break down of relations between Lorgat and the only big sports broadcaster in Africa:
http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/97567/csa-cuts-franchise-fees-tightens-its-belt-for-gt20

Even after explaining to you two times, if you don't understand why IPL and its broadcast deal with SuperSport was the reason for this whole crisis, then you are wilfully ignoring the facts and topic of this thread and instead indulging more in your Anti-India and Anti-IPL mindset which is perfectly fine to have.

 

[Brodipet_baadshah]

BIG Bash — loss in first two seasons
PSL — loss in first season
South Africa league — loss prediction for first two seasons

Is there is league in the world apart from IPL which kickedoff with profits frm season1?
What is the status of BPL? SriLanka used to have a league of thier own right?wat happened to it?scrapped bcoz of losses?

 

[sshakir411]

Come on, why are Pakistanis so salty about IPL, just even the mention of IPL boils your blood as can be seen on this thread. We even let you play in it till the time you guys tried to arm-twist IPL by stopping your players from participating in 2009 which later backfired massively for both Pakistani players and the PCB as they used to get 10% of the cut.

As for this topic, it is mentioned all over the news that Lorgat was asking SuperSport to match the IPL pricing and this led to break down of relations between Lorgat and the only big sports broadcaster in Africa:
http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/97567/csa-cuts-franchise-fees-tightens-its-belt-for-gt20

Even after explaining to you two times, if you don't understand why IPL and its broadcast deal with SuperSport was the reason for this whole crisis, then you are wilfully ignoring the facts and topic of this thread and instead indulging more in your Anti-India and Anti-IPL mindset which is perfectly fine to have.

Yeah salty, lol. Typical of Indians to think Pakistanis are salty about it..I've never watched it even when Pakistanis played. It does boil my blood that Indians feel it's necessary to mention IPL in any t20 league thread...it has no relevance to us.

I can see how demanding IPL like pricing lead to this but I don't understand how you're able to pin this on Lorgat's dreams and ego? I don't think he was out of line to believe that SuperSport would match the price for a local league. If you think about it in terms of Lorgat, what he did was not ego driven but rather a miscalculated move that came back to bite him. That's it.

What boils my blood is the dumbness of some fans who think everyone is out to beat the IPL or match BCCI or somehow they are jealous of it...like you implied. Non-Indians care less about it than you do and to us it is NOT the first thought when we think of league cricket...

 

[Reddy]

Yeah salty, lol. Typical of Indians to think Pakistanis are salty about it..I've never watched it even when Pakistanis played. It does boil my blood that Indians feel it's necessary to mention IPL in any t20 league thread...it has no relevance to us.

I can see how demanding IPL like pricing lead to this but I don't understand how you're able to pin this on Lorgat's dreams and ego? I don't think he was out of line to believe that SuperSport would match the price for a local league. If you think about it in terms of Lorgat, what he did was not ego driven but rather a miscalculated move that came back to bite him. That's it.

What boils my blood is the dumbness of some fans who think everyone is out to beat the IPL or match BCCI or somehow they are jealous of it...like you implied. Non-Indians care less about it than you do and to us it is NOT the first thought when we think of league cricket...

Now that you have accepted the facts on this topic, I think we are on the same page, the other fluff i don't care much as that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It should have matched IPL easy in Africa.

Like how IPL isn't even big enough to make Australian tv at all.

Timings is the issue.Big issue.

 

[Napa]

Haroon Lorgat asking IPL prices from SuperSport ( Africa's biggest broadcaster) was a big joke and this huge expectation led to this chaos and huge losses which resulted in Lorgat getting fired.

SuperSport rightly said that they will pay one third of what they pay IPL for African Broadcast rights and nothing more. It is just Lorgat's dream and Ego of matching BCCI which caused his downfall.

Even one-third is way too ambitious. Here are some simple facts.

India's dollar GDP (without adjusting for purchasing power parity) is $2.256 trillion, which is about 7.5X South Africa's dollar GDP ($0.296 trillion).

Income and wealth in SA is highly concentrated, SA's Gini index is second worst in the world.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2172rank.html#in

Consequently the middle class is small. TV advertising worldwide is directed towards the middle class. You want 10,000 middle class consumers watching TV and buying smartphones, rather than one billionaire who will buy just one.

I would be surprised in SA TV rights sell for even one-tenth of IPL rights.

 

[MABA]

This league was bound to fail, cricket is not really the premier sport in SA. Football and probably rugby are above it and much more marketable to majority of South Africans.

 

[squarecut]

Even one-third is way too ambitious. Here are some simple facts.

India's dollar GDP (without adjusting for purchasing power parity) is $2.256 trillion, which is about 7.5X South Africa's dollar GDP ($0.296 trillion).

Income and wealth in SA is highly concentrated, SA's Gini index is second worst in the world.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2172rank.html#in

Consequently the middle class is small. TV advertising worldwide is directed towards the middle class. You want 10,000 middle class consumers watching TV and buying smartphones, rather than one billionaire who will buy just one.

I would be surprised in SA TV rights sell for even one-tenth of IPL rights.

Lorgat was neither a good man manager (as can be seen in his relations with BCCI) nor good in financial matters (as can be seen in TV rights issue).

What TV rights you can get depends on the market. Indian cricket watching market is far bigger than South African cricket watching market. Lorgat was not aware of even this basic fact.

 

[Convict]

Lorgat was neither a good man manager (as can be seen in his relations with BCCI) nor good in financial matters (as can be seen in TV rights issue).

What TV rights you can get depends on the market. Indian cricket watching market is far bigger than South African cricket watching market. Lorgat was not aware of even this basic fact.

Its not in Africa if you consider basic facts.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

BIG Bash — loss in first two seasons
PSL — loss in first season
South Africa league — loss prediction for first two seasons

Is there is league in the world apart from IPL which kickedoff with profits frm season1?
What is the status of BPL? SriLanka used to have a league of thier own right?wat happened to it?scrapped bcoz of losses?

Are you sure about PSL?
I heard they made profit in the first season or atleast no loss came forward so far
Both SLPL and BPL were discontinued due to losses although BPL started again later on.

 

[squarecut]

Its not in Africa if you consider basic facts.

By Indian cricket watching market, I mean Indian market consisting of cricket watching Indians, who happen to be the main target audience of TV companies broadcasting cricket .

A Sri Lanka vs Zimbabwe match has larger audience in India than in Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe combined. If Indians stop watching such matches then TV rights of such matches will be sold for a pittance.

 

[Reddy]

Even one-third is way too ambitious. Here are some simple facts.

India's dollar GDP (without adjusting for purchasing power parity) is $2.256 trillion, which is about 7.5X South Africa's dollar GDP ($0.296 trillion).

Income and wealth in SA is highly concentrated, SA's Gini index is second worst in the world.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2172rank.html#in

Consequently the middle class is small. TV advertising worldwide is directed towards the middle class. You want 10,000 middle class consumers watching TV and buying smartphones, rather than one billionaire who will buy just one.

I would be surprised in SA TV rights sell for even one-tenth of IPL rights.

Lorgat was neither a good man manager (as can be seen in his relations with BCCI) nor good in financial matters (as can be seen in TV rights issue).

What TV rights you can get depends on the market. Indian cricket watching market is far bigger than South African cricket watching market. Lorgat was not aware of even this basic fact.

By Indian cricket watching market, I mean Indian market consisting of cricket watching Indians, who happen to be the main target audience of TV companies broadcasting cricket .

A Sri Lanka vs Zimbabwe match has larger audience in India than in Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe combined. If Indians stop watching such matches then TV rights of such matches will be sold for a pittance.

Guys, Don't get confused here, if you read my posts, the topic is not about the Indian TV market, so all this GDP and Middle class figures are irrelevant.

SuperSports had the rights to the IPL for the African TV market and Haroon Lorgat wanted them to match the IPL price for the new SA T20 league for the African TV market and not Indian or International rights.

So, As per news, they have got around one-third of the IPL price for their African broadcast deal.

 

[Aman]

Wait, you're telling me CSA aren't able to get as much as the IPL deal in SA?

Of course you should be able to match that deal. It's a joke that they haven't been able to do that.

 

[Napa]

Guys, Don't get confused here, if you read my posts, the topic is not about the Indian TV market, so all this GDP and Middle class figures are irrelevant.

SuperSports had the rights to the IPL for the African TV market and Haroon Lorgat wanted them to match the IPL price for the new SA T20 league for the African TV market and not Indian or International rights.

So, As per news, they have got around one-third of the IPL price for their African broadcast deal.

I had no idea. I thought you were talking about IPL's overall (including India) broadcast money. If they can't even get IPL's African deal (which must be a very small part of the overall IPL deal), then they really should not be in this business.

 

[squarecut]

I had no idea. I thought you were talking about IPL's overall (including India) broadcast money. If they can't even get IPL's African deal (which must be a very small part of the overall IPL deal), then they really should not be in this business.

That indeed is the matter. Supersports were not willing to pay the same money for SA T20 league that they were willing to pay for IPL's Africa telecast rights. That tells you something about the business acuman (lack thereof) of Haroon Lorgat.

 

[JattMaula]

Guys, Don't get confused here, if you read my posts, the topic is not about the Indian TV market, so all this GDP and Middle class figures are irrelevant.

SuperSports had the rights to the IPL for the African TV market and Haroon Lorgat wanted them to match the IPL price for the new SA T20 league for the African TV market and not Indian or International rights.

So, As per news, they have got around one-third of the IPL price for their African broadcast deal.

Supersports only bid 20 million US dollars for 5 years for IPL rights in SA and sub saharan Africa. It will be easily matched.

 

[Reddy]

Supersports only bid 20 million US dollars for 5 years for IPL rights in SA and sub saharan Africa. It will be easily matched.

This is a good news article on this whole fiasco: http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/97567/csa-cuts-franchise-fees-tightens-its-belt-for-gt20

 

[Convict]

By Indian cricket watching market, I mean Indian market consisting of cricket watching Indians, who happen to be the main target audience of TV companies broadcasting cricket .

A Sri Lanka vs Zimbabwe match has larger audience in India than in Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe combined. If Indians stop watching such matches then TV rights of such matches will be sold for a pittance.

Does Supersports broadcast in India?
No.

 

[JattMaula]

This is a good news article on this whole fiasco: http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/97567/csa-cuts-franchise-fees-tightens-its-belt-for-gt20

SA cricket took a bet that is looking risky right now but it can pan out if the tournament itself proves popular with local fans.

They can't forever depend upon international revenue. New league structure will force every ICC member to host undesired tours. They will be losing money there too.

 

[Slog]

BIG Bash — loss in first two seasons
PSL — loss in first season
South Africa league — loss prediction for first two seasons

Is there is league in the world apart from IPL which kickedoff with profits frm season1?
What is the status of BPL? SriLanka used to have a league of thier own right?wat happened to it?scrapped bcoz of losses?

ipl had a loss in its first ssn and def second season. actually not sure when the league became profitable

 

[Slog]

Yeah salty, lol. Typical of Indians to think Pakistanis are salty about it..I've never watched it even when Pakistanis played. It does boil my blood that Indians feel it's necessary to mention IPL in any t20 league thread...it has no relevance to us.

I can see how demanding IPL like pricing lead to this but I don't understand how you're able to pin this on Lorgat's dreams and ego? I don't think he was out of line to believe that SuperSport would match the price for a local league. If you think about it in terms of Lorgat, what he did was not ego driven but rather a miscalculated move that came back to bite him. That's it.

What boils my blood is the dumbness of some fans who think everyone is out to beat the IPL or match BCCI or somehow they are jealous of it...like you implied. Non-Indians care less about it than you do and to us it is NOT the first thought when we think of league cricket...

Lorgat text messages his dreams and wishes to Mr. Reddy here it seems

Weird fascinations but whatever floats his boat

 

[Reddy]

Yes the world is staying afloat due to third world India subsidizing everyone's lives

Lorgat text messages his dreams and wishes to Mr. Reddy here it seems

Weird fascinations but whatever floats his boat

Truth is truth and Facts are facts Mr. Slog, that is the reason third world Pakistan has also been begging for a Indian tour so that they can get some money to pay more to their International players, get decent balls for domestic cricket and hopefully a salary level for Pakistani domestic players which is slightly more than day labourer level

 

[Reddy]

ipl had a loss in its first ssn and def second season. actually not sure when the league became profitable

What rubbish, IPL signed a Billion dollar broadcast deal with Sony even before the tournament started, apart from that IPL received hundreds of millions of dollars from franchisee auction and then tens of millions of dollars worth sponsors were signed on.

Kindly, keep hating India as it gives me pleasure to see your hatred and jealousy but don't spout such nonsense which can debunked by anyone who knows anything about IPL and franchisee T20 cricket.

 

[Slog]

What rubbish, IPL signed a Billion dollar broadcast deal with Sony even before the tournament started, apart from that IPL received hundreds of millions of dollars from franchisee auction and then tens of millions of dollars worth sponsors were signed on.

Kindly, keep hating India as it gives me pleasure to see your hatred and jealousy but don't spout such nonsense which can debunked by anyone who knows anything about IPL and franchisee T20 cricket.

do you even care for facts?

Mr. Lalit Modi himself said at start of 2nd IPL season that it will likely make a loss again.

Or was Modi just lying?

Please do a little research next time before showing your ignorance

 

[Reddy]

do you even care for facts?

Mr. Lalit Modi himself said at start of 2nd IPL season that it will likely make a loss again.

Or was Modi just lying?

Please do a little research next time before showing your ignorance

Even after getting schooled, you are still peddling your lignorance here, Lalit Modi was talking about franchisees and he was right it took some years for them to get out of losses but here we are talking about the IPL league itself, you don't get into losses if you sign Billions of dollars worth broadcast deals and Hundreds of Millions of dollars worth franchisee sale and sponsorships

 

[Slog]

Even after getting schooled, you are still peddling your lignorance here, Lalit Modi was talking about franchisees and he was right it took some years for them to get out of losses but here we are talking about the IPL league itself, you don't get into losses if you sign Billions of dollars worth broadcast deals and Hundreds of Millions of dollars worth franchisee sale and sponsorships

You need to do some research Mr. Reddy

 

[AMSS]

You need to do some research Mr. Reddy

He is right, you are the one jumping to conclusion based on insufficient information. IPL has made money for the BCCI from day one. BCCI pocketed approx 40 percent of the total revenue (broadcast plus title sponsorship) and the rest were divided among the franchises. A few of the franchises did not cover their expenses from this pool in the first few years, but that does not mean BCCI losing money.

Consider what is happening with the CSA. Lorgat's gamble has ensured CSA loses half of its total bank balance in the first year itself. Did this ever happen with the BCCI where they had to eat into their savings to keep the IPL afloat? If it did, you wouldn't have problems providing us with links to those news reports.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

South Africa is a smaller cricketing market then many other countries. The reason why they didn't get the ideal broadcast deal is because of this very reason.
Comparing it to IPL or PSL is a futile exercise. When South African broadcaster broadcast the IPL their channel gets the viewership from nearly all over Africa. This is due to the presence of foreign Indians living in South Africa and other parts of Africa. Broadcasting a local league may only get the eye balls of the local cricketing enthusiast. The emotional investment of many other countries will be absent from the broadcasters' point of view. Therefore, expecting the similar revenue stream from this deal as that of IPL was a mistake on Lorgart's part.
No league can compete with IPL, no matter how much some would argue about its historical profits and losses. The reason for their unparalleled success is the fact that the IPL gets its own window. The other leagues suffered in the past due to the hectic international cricketing activities colliding with those leagues. The international broadcaster, broadcasting international cricket can seriously hurt the marketing and broadcasting evaluation of many other leagues. During the IPL there is hardly any other cricketing activities going on. Which in turn makes the league all the more marketable as it's the only big player at that time. This in fact is another reason why South Africa didn't get the desired broadcasting deal. Cricketing world is a very small world compared to other major sports. There is one country that has the market bigger then the rest of the world combined. There is no point in brooding or boasting about that fact.

 

[mummad]

Is this league named Global T20 because they had a premonition that no South African will buy any teams?

 

[cricketjoshila]

do you even care for facts?

Mr. Lalit Modi himself said at start of 2nd IPL season that it will likely make a loss again.

Or was Modi just lying?

Please do a little research next time before showing your ignorance

IPL was making money for BCCI from season 1. The losses were for the team owners.

 

[CanadianG00se]

South Africa is a smaller cricketing market then many other countries. The reason why they didn't get the ideal broadcast deal is because of this very reason.
Comparing it to IPL or PSL is a futile exercise. When South African broadcaster broadcast the IPL their channel gets the viewership from nearly all over Africa. This is due to the presence of foreign Indians living in South Africa and other parts of Africa. Broadcasting a local league may only get the eye balls of the local cricketing enthusiast. The emotional investment of many other countries will be absent from the broadcasters' point of view. Therefore, expecting the similar revenue stream from this deal as that of IPL was a mistake on Lorgart's part.
No league can compete with IPL, no matter how much some would argue about its historical profits and losses. The reason for their unparalleled success is the fact that the IPL gets its own window. The other leagues suffered in the past due to the hectic international cricketing activities colliding with those leagues. The international broadcaster, broadcasting international cricket can seriously hurt the marketing and broadcasting evaluation of many other leagues. During the IPL there is hardly any other cricketing activities going on. Which in turn makes the league all the more marketable as it's the only big player at that time. This in fact is another reason why South Africa didn't get the desired broadcasting deal. Cricketing world is a very small world compared to other major sports. There is one country that has the market bigger then the rest of the world combined. There is no point in brooding or boasting about that fact.

Im pretty sure there is no official window for IPL or for that matter any league. It just some countries try not to host their international matches during IPL so that their players could earn decent money.

 

[Convict]

IPL was making money for BCCI from season 1. The losses were for the team owners.

That's because of how the IPL was set up which also means that the BCCI has less control over the IPL than other leagues.

South Africa, because the league happens during their international summer, probably want to keep that control.

 

[Yaasir]

PSL did not lose money in its first season. This was confirmed by not only Najam Sethi, but also by the team owners. They all made a small amount of profit.

That was precisely the reason why the 5 team owners were hesitant to include a 6th team in the 2nd edition of PSL...so they could make more money. Now that they did, we see that the 6th team has been included for the 3rd edition of PSL.

I think this is where we must give a huge credit to Najam Sethi and whoever else is behind the PSL, because even from its very 1st season, it was profitable, unlike most other leagues around the world.

 

[sachin100]

That's because of how the IPL was set up which also means that the BCCI has less control over the IPL than other leagues.

South Africa, because the league happens during their international summer, probably want to keep that control.

no. bcci has absolute control over the league and what bcci says is followed by teams

 

[cricketjoshila]

That's because of how the IPL was set up which also means that the BCCI has less control over the IPL than other leagues.

South Africa, because the league happens during their international summer, probably want to keep that control.

What do you mean BCCI has less control over IPL?

 

[Slog]

IPL was making money for BCCI from season 1. The losses were for the team owners.

I remember a lalit modi interview in 2nd season that the league will make a loss. this was season where they had to move it to SA

Obv i cant find the exact video but i remember clearly him saying that the 'The league will make a loss this season but the show must go on!'

 

[big_gamer007]

So supersport paid 3 times more money for rights to IPL in Africa than they are willing to pay for SA league??

Are the only people who watch cricket leagues in Africa expat Indians living over there? Makes no sense otherwise.:

 

[Convict]

What do you mean BCCI has less control over IPL?

Take BBL. Cricket Australia has full control over every single team and can lets say pull Perth Scorchers best batsman Shaun Marsh out of the BBL final to send him to do nets practice in New Zealand and the Perth Scorchers can't do anything.

The BCCI would not be able to do the same because the owners have invested so much money into it.
The BCCI gets around this by not scheduling international matches during the IPL which they can do due to how popular cricket is in India.

As soon as you get private ownership involved into something its inevitable that you have less control because private owners will protect their own investments. This isn't necessarily bad and worked incredibly well for the ICC but its not something Cricket Australia or Cricket South Africa can follow because ground realities mean that our leagues have to take part during our most busy cricketing months which means there will be a club v country conflict.
And that means private owners aren't going to put in as much money which means the central board has to cover more of the costs. Cricket Australia has the finances to do that, Cricket Australia even accepted less money on the television rights in order to get BBL on free to air tv but it remains to be seen with CSA.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I remember a lalit modi interview in 2nd season that the league will make a loss. this was season where they had to move it to SA

Obv i cant find the exact video but i remember clearly him saying that the 'The league will make a loss this season but the show must go on!'

The audited figures are on bcci website.None of the seasons made losses for BCCI.

 

[Reddy]

Take BBL. Cricket Australia has full control over every single team and can lets say pull Perth Scorchers best batsman Shaun Marsh out of the BBL final to send him to do nets practice in New Zealand and the Perth Scorchers can't do anything.

The BCCI would not be able to do the same because the owners have invested so much money into it.
The BCCI gets around this by not scheduling international matches during the IPL which they can do due to how popular cricket is in India.

As soon as you get private ownership involved into something its inevitable that you have less control because private owners will protect their own investments. This isn't necessarily bad and worked incredibly well for the ICC but its not something Cricket Australia or Cricket South Africa can follow because ground realities mean that our leagues have to take part during our most busy cricketing months which means there will be a club v country conflict.
And that means private owners aren't going to put in as much money which means the central board has to cover more of the costs. Cricket Australia has the finances to do that, Cricket Australia even accepted less money on the television rights in order to get BBL on free to air tv but it remains to be seen with CSA.

There is no difference between how BCCI sold the the teams to private owners and how CSA sold the teams apart from scale and auction process, heck half the team owners of SA T20 league are same Indian people who have teams in the IPL

And now regarding control, BCCI have ALL the control over players and franchisees, BCCI have terminated franchisees in the past over small issues let alone someone blackmailing with players scenario you are dreaming, IN fact this very year, many of the Indian superstars were advised by the BCCI to take some rest at the start of the IPL to keep them fresh for the International season and NO IPL team owner had the guts to say anything over it.

And now regarding your cool Cricket Australia trying to protect or have control over teams reasoning is completely laughable, the CA is as money-hungry as any other board and the only reason they didn't sell the teams was nobody will pay hundreds of Millions of Dollars for a single team like they do in the IPL. Heck, even the first broadcast rights for Big Bash was in tens of millions and CA would have gladly sold big bash teams if business owners from India proposed to pay them hundreds of millions per team.

 

[Convict]

There is no difference between how BCCI sold the the teams to private owners and how CSA sold the teams apart from scale and auction process, heck half the team owners of SA T20 league are same Indian people who have teams in the IPL

And now regarding control, BCCI have ALL the control over players and franchisees, BCCI have terminated franchisees in the past over small issues let alone someone blackmailing with players scenario you are dreaming, IN fact this very year, many of the Indian superstars were advised by the BCCI to take some rest at the start of the IPL to keep them fresh for the International season and NO IPL team owner had the guts to say anything over it.

And now regarding your cool Cricket Australia trying to protect or have control over teams reasoning is completely laughable, the CA is as money-hungry as any other board and the only reason they didn't sell the teams was nobody will pay hundreds of Millions of Dollars for a single team like they do in the IPL. Heck, even the first broadcast rights for Big Bash was in tens of millions and CA would have gladly sold big bash teams if business owners from India proposed to pay them hundreds of millions per team.

Yeah you have no idea what you're talking about in regards to private ownership in the BBL.

 

[90MPH]

IPL is the worst thing to happen to cricket.

Bogus fake circus cricket. And sadly too many countries want to try replicate this nonsense and the money they can make by selling such a cheap sell out form of the game.

But Its great for the players and the corrupt Mafia who can sell this rubbish to the TV companies to brainwash the masses.

 

[CanadianG00se]

IPL is best thing happened to cricket. Haters can hate, we dont care. Two months of IPL is too short, wish they could expand to 5-6 months of window and play some games away from home like UK just to make the haters burn LOL.

 

[sachin100]

IPL is best thing happened to cricket. Haters can hate, we dont care. Two months of IPL is too short, wish they could expand to 5-6 months of window and play some games away from home like UK just to make the haters burn LOL.

imagine haters position if ipl is more than 2 months and has an away schedule like u mentioned.

 

[CanadianG00se]

imagine haters position if ipl is more than 2 months and has an away schedule like u mentioned.

Tbh i wasnt trolling. Most Indian fans i know here are always looking forward to either IPL or ICC event. During IPL, we often have get together on weekends, same goes for World cup or ICC events. Its like two months of festive among Indian fans.

I can only wish for IPL to be longer than 2 months, and they should also host one or two games here in Toronto. I bet it will be sellout here as most of the local Indians here havent witnessed cricket for years( some never have). Haters will hate no matter if IPL is played for two months or two weeks. Now that IPL is even bigger than WORLD CUP in terms of revenue, this is gonna fuel their hate even more.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Yeah you have no idea what you're talking about in regards to private ownership in the BBL.

Funny, because you also have no idea what you’re talking about in regards to IPL.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

imagine haters position if ipl is more than 2 months and has an away schedule like u mentioned.

It would probably loose its charm. Many foreigners may not be able to take part due to international commitments. Even India and its players would suffer due to the lack of international cricketing activities. ICC and other boards may not be that lenient in providing them with an UNOFFICIAL window. I guess there is a difference between hate and indifference. Most people (non-Indians) are indifferent or at least don't hate IPL and it's annoying when some people just keep bringing the subject again and again just to satisfy their own vanity.