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Sri Lanka [114/3] beat India [112] by 7 wickets to win 1st ODI in Dharamsala

Abhilash93 said:
Its the conditions more than the pitch. The moisture and altitude certainly exposed the inept batting.
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I think this is planned. India likes to challenge itself by playing in difficult conditions. If they keep winning easily, they will stagnate.
 
Belawal2014 said:
Still, inept batting from Indian top-order and middle-order. Pitch wasn't unplayable.
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Agreed. Never had much faith in Pandey, Karthik and Iyer is a noob.

Once Dhawan and Rohit are gone, i knew India would fold without Kohli. But definitely not 29/7. That was some pathetic batting by Karthik, Iyer and Pandey.
 
Manish Pandey has been a very disappointing career till now. The guy at one time looked to be the next big thing for Indian cricket.
 
CricketCartoons said:
I think this is planned. India likes to challenge itself by playing in difficult conditions. If they keep winning easily, they will stagnate.
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This certainly isn;t, we came back to earth after Kolkata that;s why we had flat tracks at Nagpur & Delhi, Dharamshala is probably the quickest track in India right now, the extra moisture is what did us in just like Guwahati vs Aus.
 
troodon said:
Ball swung and seamed a lot for 20 overs. Now the pitch has settled down. Fast outfield and runs are flowing now.
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Thanks. I thought so when Mathews managed to get a wicket with the new ball :)). No second innings so India might struggle to win this I guess if the wicket has become dry.
 
R0H1T said:
This certainly isn;t, we came back to earth after Kolkata that;s why we had flat tracks at Nagpur & Delhi, Dharamshala is probably the quickest track in India right now, the extra moisture is what did us in just like Guwahati vs Aus.
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How will the team improve if it stays in its comfort zone. I support India's decision to keep challenging itself.
 
Ab Fan said:
Manish Pandey has been a very disappointing career till now. The guy at one time looked to be the next big thing for Indian cricket.
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He does have the technique to play quality bowling. I am getting the same feeling from Iyer too.

Pandey is a mental midget. He can bash the same bowlers in IPL. But in international games, he plays timid.
 
If India can scrap their way to 130-140, then game on. Pretty inexperienced SL batting lineup with Bumrah and Bhuvi to handle. Won't be easy.
 
Belawal2014 said:
If India can scrap their way to 130-140, then game on. Pretty inexperienced SL batting lineup with Bumrah and Bhuvi to handle. Won't be easy.
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Need Dhoni to score at least a 50 with the last two managing to cling on.

I'd take 100 at the moment.
 
CricketCartoons said:
How will the team improve if it stays in its comfort zone. I support India's decision to keep challenging itself.
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No I'm saying this wan't planned, even against Aus the pitch had extra zip like 20yrs back at Mohali (vs WI) so while the idea is neat, & actually great for long term, this was likely not by design.
 
Ab Fan said:
Manish Pandey has been a very disappointing career till now. The guy at one time looked to be the next big thing for Indian cricket.
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Didn't he also get an ODI hundred in Australia? I've followed his journey from KKR days, looked a really good batsman. Sad to see he hasn't really materialized in to one as of yet.
 
R0H1T said:
No I'm saying this wan't planned, even against Aus the pitch had extra zip like 20yrs back at Mohali (vs WI) so while the idea is neat, & actually great for long term, this was likely not by design.
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Don't care if it was by design or accident, as long as India is challenged out of its comfort zone. Otherwise it is a useless series where India yet again beats sri lanka and inflates the stats. Don't care what india hater and brown nosers think.
 
Varun said:
In any case, we need Kohli to come back from his wedding before the next game.
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And what about other 10 players? Kohli can't win you each and every game.
It's astounding that it is HOME match for India and guess who is saving some respect for India? King Dhoni :))
Whom every indian wants to be dropped from team.
 
Belawal2014 said:
If India can scrap their way to 130-140, then game on. Pretty inexperienced SL batting lineup with Bumrah and Bhuvi to handle. Won't be easy.
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Same team chased 300+ against same bowling attack in CT. So i guess they can manage to chase 120 or 140. Conditions won't be that much atrocious in 2nd innings i guess.
 
Hermoine Green said:
And what about other 10 players? Kohli can't win you each and every game.
It's astounding that it is HOME match for India and guess who is saving some respect for India? King Dhoni :))
Whom every indian wants to be dropped from team.
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Well his role is more of a slogger/finisher in the end overs on flat pitches which he has failed to do in recent times.

I wouldn't mind him coming up the order and playing himself in.
 
Who are the other batting prospects waiting in line for India, guys? Where's Robin Uthappa, always thought he was a good batsman? and some of the DD boys under Dravid showed some promise in the IPL as well.
 
Abhilash93 said:
Well his role is more of a slogger/finisher in the end overs on flat pitches which he has failed to do in recent times.

I wouldn't mind him coming up the order and playing himself in.
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This.

MSD relishes these kinds of situations. His style of batting and experience counts when the chips are down and India needs a mammoth effort from someone coming down the order.

But on flat pitches in ICC tournaments, MSD's lack of hitting will get exposed. He is not a slogger and finisher that he used to be. He is an accumulator who can hit an occasional boundary.
 
Belawal2014 said:
Who are the other batting prospects waiting in line for India, guys? Where's Robin Uthappa, always thought he was a good batsman? and some of the DD boys under Dravid showed some promise in the IPL as well.
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If Uthappa cannot get ahead of friggin Karthik, he has no hope..

Waiting for Prithvi Shaw to be the next big thing.

Then we have Samson, Mayank Agarwal, Pant, Krunal, Hooda, etc... But I think they are more T20 type players.
 
Abhilash93 said:
Well his role is more of a slogger/finisher in the end overs on flat pitches which he has failed to do in recent times.

I wouldn't mind him coming up the order and playing himself in.
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New good batting Wk should be brought in. Pant is not a bad choice at all, and also there was an other WK batsman a young one and i am forgetting his name.
 
troodon said:
If Uthappa cannot get ahead of friggin Karthik, he has no hope..

Waiting for Prithvi Shaw to be the next big thing.

Then we have Samson, Mayank Agarwal, Pant, Krunal, Hooda, etc... But I think they are more T20 type players.
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Pant seemed impressive. What ever happened to Raina and Sanju Samson?
 
troodon said:
If Uthappa cannot get ahead of friggin Karthik, he has no hope..

Waiting for Prithvi Shaw to be the next big thing.

Then we have Samson, Mayank Agarwal, Pant, Krunal, Hooda, etc... But I think they are more T20 type players.
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Heard Shubman Gill is also pretty good. Was watching a feature on him for the U-19 WC.
 
Belawal2014 said:
Who are the other batting prospects waiting in line for India, guys? Where's Robin Uthappa, always thought he was a good batsman? and some of the DD boys under Dravid showed some promise in the IPL as well.
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Going by the recent India A squad:

KL Rahul, Mayank Agrawal (on fire this Ranji season), Rishabh Pant, Karun Nair, Prithvi Shaw, Washington Sundar (more of an allrounder)
 
troodon said:
If Uthappa cannot get ahead of friggin Karthik, he has no hope..

Waiting for Prithvi Shaw to be the next big thing.

Then we have Samson, Mayank Agarwal, Pant, Krunal, Hooda, etc... But I think they are more T20 type players.
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Pant is a hack. I would prefer Saha over him in ODIs.
 
Abhilash93 said:
Going by the recent India A squad:

KL Rahul, Mayank Agrawal (on fire this Ranji season), Rishabh Pant, Karun Nair, Prithvi Shaw, Washington Sundar (more of an allrounder)
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Rahul needs to be in the Senior side ASAP. Don't know what he's doing sitting out. Immense potential in him.
 
Abhilash93 said:
Going by the recent India A squad:

KL Rahul, Mayank Agrawal (on fire this Ranji season), Rishabh Pant, Karun Nair, Prithvi Shaw, Washington Sundar (more of an allrounder)
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Well if we are counting these two then there;s also the Baba twins, Krunal, Ishan Kishan so about a dozen or so around the same level, obviously with differing levels of experience. Though we'd have to choose carefully who to pick/choose & play because there's very little time left before the next WC, in terms of limited number of matches we have to try them out.
 
Good knock by Dhoni.

Poor captaincy by not bringing back Mathews once Lakmal was done
 
troodon said:
This.

MSD relishes these kinds of situations. His style of batting and experience counts when the chips are down and India needs a mammoth effort from someone coming down the order.

But on flat pitches in ICC tournaments, MSD's lack of hitting will get exposed. He is not a slogger and finisher that he used to be. He is an accumulator who can hit an occasional boundary.
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India has similar problem as we have, when it comes to down order hitting, Dhoni/Pandya cannot bash seamers. What helped them most of the time is top heavy batting lineup. Although we have problems everywhere in batting department not just in slogging, our only strength is bashing spinners, which westerns are never going to give us in a serious match ;-)

India without Kohli looks half the team, who is the next Kohli?? - Is there any good young batsman
 
Abhilash93 said:
From the U-19 team, Himanshu Rana is just as good, if not better. Debuted in Ranji trophy in 2015 and got a few FC hundreds as well.
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Envious of the batting talent in India, man. Send a couple over the the border, please. We've got Akmals, Khurram Manzoors and Salman Butts still ruling the batting charts. :kakmal
 
Doing it easily now, Dhoni. A single in the last two deliveries is no big deal against spinners.

Lanka should not allow the match to slip
 
R0H1T said:
Well if we are counting these two then there;s also the Baba twins, Krunal, Ishan Kishan so about a dozen or so around the same level, obviously with differing levels of experience. Though we'd have to choose carefully who to pick/choose & play because there's very little time left before the next WC, in terms of limited number of matches we have to try them out.
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Yeah Prithvi Shaw needs to atleast play 2-3 FC seasons. But Washington Sundar is already in the squad, so put him there.

Baba Aparajith is a decent prospect, but Ishan Kishan, Krunal and Baba Indrajith are not at the same level. Ishan Kishan particularly is quite weak against quality fast bowling.
 
yasir said:
India has similar problem as we have, when it comes to down order hitting, Dhoni/Pandya cannot bash seamers. What helped them most of the time is top heavy batting lineup. Although we have problems everywhere in batting department not just in slogging, our only strength is bashing spinners, which westerns are never going to give us in a serious match ;-)

India without Kohli looks half the team, who is the next Kohli?? - Is there any good young batsman
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He can, though none of them can match the hitting ability of Yuvraj. People who're all praise for Dhoni forget the role Yuvraj played in all those games where we chased near impossible targets.

There's no up & coming Kohli, just like there will never be a replacement for SRT.
 
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Everyone in India keeps talking about young talent yet its still the guys like Dhoni and kohli holding the limited overs side together .
Havent yet replaced yuvraj singh .
Brought back Kartick .
Dhoni deserves more respect .The young talent isnt all that great for India in limited overs atm
 
Abhilash93 said:
Going by the recent India A squad:

KL Rahul, Mayank Agrawal (on fire this Ranji season), Rishabh Pant, Karun Nair, Prithvi Shaw, Washington Sundar (more of an allrounder)
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Deepak Hooda and Nitish Rana also went through fitness tests at the NCA recently. So, seems like they are also on the selectors radar, though probably for T20s only.
 
ethan hunt said:
Everyone in India keeps talking about young talent yet its still the guys like Dhoni and kohli holding the limited overs side together .
Havent yet replaced yuvraj singh .
Brought back Kartick .
Dhoni deserves more respect .The young talent isnt all that great for India in limited overs atm
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That's partly because we keep bring dead ducks like DK over for net practice, there's zero good reasons for him to be playing ODI now unless we want him for the next WC & same goes for the other TTFs.
 
ethan hunt said:
Everyone in India keeps talking about young talent yet its still the guys like Dhoni and kohli holding the limited overs side together .
Havent yet replaced yuvraj singh .
Brought back Kartick .
Dhoni deserves more respect .The young talent isnt all that great for India in limited overs atm
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What's the point of IPL if keep recycling guys like Yuvi, Karthik and Raina? We haven't found the replacement of Dhoni yet.
 
Abhilash93 said:
Deepak Hooda and Nitish Rana also went through fitness tests at the NCA recently. So, seems like they are also on the selectors radar, though probably for T20s only.
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Is Nitish Rana the same dude who had his breakout season with MI earlier? Played well throughout the tourney iirc.
 
Belawal2014 said:
Is Nitish Rana the same dude who had his breakout season with MI earlier? Played well throughout the tourney iirc.
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He is a big hitter. All muscle. I am not convinced if he has the temperament to thrive in ODI's. Can be a handy addiition to T20 though.
 
Dhoni was such a legend and under rated player and captain. We could have 5-6 ICC trophies if we had a player like him
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
What's the point of IPL if keep recycling guys like Yuvi, Karthik and Raina? We haven't found the replacement of Dhoni yet.
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You can only find a replacement if you can give the youngsters a chance. How many chances Samson got? How many chances Pant got?

JUst giving them an odd game and then making them ride the bench or kicked out of team wont help.
 
Looking at the way the pitch has eased out, India needs 150 at least to challenge SL.

This should be an easy win for Lanka and they should win by 5 wickets. No swing or seam movement anymore.
 
Wow, Dhoni is the GOAT finisher and easily top 3.

Who falls out to make way for Kohli?

Sachin or Dhoni?

Dhoni has been so clutch and is a bonafide match winner.
 
Ok.

This is a patta now. Lanka should win this easily.

Excellent effort from Dhoni. India are short by about 50 runs.

First 5 overs are crucial. India should nip out 3 or 4 wickets to have a chance.
 
R0H1T said:
He can, though none of them can match the hitting ability of Yuvraj. People who're all praise for Dhoni forget the role Yuvraj played in all those games where we chased near impossible targets.

There's no up & coming Kohli, just like there will never be a replacement for SRT.
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SRT was not that special in ODIs, Kohli is a big improvement on SRT...SRT biggest accomplishment was playing for 25 years, that's why he compiled so many runs and hence records. As a player his mindset or ECO system around him did not had the right culture, from outside it appears people care about SRT and his record, not enough on winning...Kohli has a better mindset as a player(lthough Indian fan base still has the culture of making players God), he is focusing on right culture in many ways, India is moving away from records and focusing on team...SRT, Gawaskar type players setup wrong culture...Most Indians fans and media were too obsessed by their players records and weather they were best ever players or not, they spend so much time buttering them up...At the end those things are side show, should never be main culture...Great teams never had that culture, WIs and AUS at their peak, never focus on individual records...
 
troodon said:
Ok.

This is a patta now. Lanka should win this easily.

Excellent effort from Dhoni. India are short by about 50 runs.

First 5 overs are crucial. India should nip out 3 or 4 wickets to have a chance.
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Catches, do you really think we have a chance with all the duds fielding in the slips?
 
troodon said:
You can only find a replacement if you can give the youngsters a chance. How many chances Samson got? How many chances Pant got?

JUst giving them an odd game and then making them ride the bench or kicked out of team wont help.
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This is true for every player in India. You have to perform well in whatever chances you get initially to win the confidence of team management. That is how guys like Yuvi, Irfan, Sehwag made their careers. And when you are coming from IPL which has an atmosphere like intl cricket it should be easy for these newcomers.
 
yasir said:
SRT was not that special in ODIs, Kohli is a big improvement on SRT...SRT biggest accomplishment was playing for 25 years, that's why he compiled so many runs and hence records. As a player his mindset or ECO system around him did not had the right culture, from outside it appears people care about SRT and his record, not enough on winning...Kohli has a better mindset as a player(lthough Indian fan base still has the culture of making players God), he is focusing on right culture in many ways, India is moving away from records and focusing on team...SRT, Gawaskar type players setup wrong culture...Most Indians fans and media were too obsessed by their players records and weather they were best ever players or not, they spend so much time buttering them up...At the end those things are side show, should never be main culture...Great teams never had that culture, WIs and AUS at their peak, never focus on individual records...
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I've heard that a million times, it's wrong every time.

There was an article in cricinfo, during the period of 93/94 till 2003/04 SRT was a cut above any & every chaser in the world, including Kohli. He still has a magnificent record in WC & tournament finals. Virat has yet to reach even close to him let alone exceed him & yes we'll see a drop in Virat's form as well, let's hope he does more to prove his critics wrong in the meantime.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
This is true for every player in India. You have to perform well in whatever chances you get initially to win the confidence of team management. That is how guys like Yuvi, Irfan, Sehwag made their careers. And when you are coming from IPL which has an atmosphere like intl cricket it should be easy for these newcomers.
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India persisted with ROhit even though he failed many times initially and finally it paid.

Pant, Samson are talented. They have shown they can perform in IPL against good quality bowlers. Selectors should give them a 5 or 6 ODI's straight to see how they can perform. Giving them 1 ODI or a T20 and if they do not perform, discarding them will not help.

I am not anti-Dhoni in ODI's. I don't like Dhoni in T20's. He has no business playing T20's for India.
 
troodon said:
India persisted with ROhit even though he failed many times initially and finally it paid.

Pant, Samson are talented. They have shown they can perform in IPL against good quality bowlers. Selectors should give them a 5 or 6 ODI's straight to see how they can perform. Giving them 1 ODI or a T20 and if they do not perform, discarding them will not help.

I am not anti-Dhoni in ODI's. I don't like Dhoni in T20's. He has no business playing T20's for India.
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From what angle is Sanju Samson talented?

His List A average is 28.57 and SR 78.43.

He isn't even good enough to be playing list A matches in my opinion.

And even his T20 numbers are very average.

He constantly loses matches for whatever side he plays for. He only kept getting picked because Rahul Dravid for some reason adores him.
 
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