Srinagar’s 7% voter turnout means a rejection of everything ‘Indian’

[boomboomcheema]

Mehbooba Mufti, chief minister of the troubled state of Jammu and Kashmir, has made a huge political statement by calling for the cancellation of the election in Anantnag on April 12. It is a seat she vacated as Member of Parliament and her brother, Tasaduq Mufti, is the PDP candidate.

Mehbooba’s call comes on the heels of the violent bypoll in Srinagar where eight were killed and only 7% cast their vote. The meagre turnout, by no means, reflects a popular mandate and many would argue that the Srinagar election should be declared null and void, for the winner – with a little over 3.5% of the vote – is clearly not the people’s representative.

If Anantnag votes – as it is slated to in less than 48 hours – the percentage could even be lower because it falls in South Kashmir, the region which was rocked with unprecedented protests in July last year after the killing of militant commander Burhan Wani. South Kashmir is – was would be more appropriate – the PDP’s stronghold and a single-digit voter turnout would be a direct referendum on Mehbooba’s legitimacy as chief minister.

The large scale protests on Sunday can be interpreted as a rejection of the democratic process by the Kashmiris. To be more precise, it is a rejection of mainstream politics, including of the National Conference (NC), which once towered over the state through its founder, Sheikh Abdullah and subsequently through Farooq Abdullah, who was in the fray in the bypoll.

Disturbed by the violence, Farooq at one point, while blaming Mehbooba for not providing security and creating a conducive environment, said, many NC workers were unable to come out and vote.

The frightening away of party cadre – which could well be repeated in Anantnag – is a serious development. The village-level worker is the best political thermometer and officials in Srinagar – who do not wish to be named – reveal that the workers did not want to come out in defiance of the boycott call issued by the separatists. They did not want to be ‘marked’ and so, preferred to lie under.

Successive governments in New Delhi have interpreted large turnouts – like the one in 2014 – as a sign of normalcy; as Kashmiris embracing ‘India’. Will the government now analyse the 7.14% as a rejection of anything ‘Indian’?

http://m.hindustantimes.com/opinion...hing-indian/story-gJ38rJG8X61VwjQODvC8LN.html

It's often said that by the Indians that Kashmiris love India and hence come out to open in large numbers everytime. So what does the 7% turnout suggest now?

As the article suggests, the Kashmiri people have rejected everything Indian.

 

[Slog]

I remember 5-6 years ago there was close to ~50% turnout and the Indian establishment and government touted that as a sign that Kashmiris want to be part of India and want to be part of the decision making process of India in Kashmir rather than seperate

Going by this logic this is a HUGE VOTE by Kashmiris in favor of separating themselves from India

 

[troodon]

I remember 5-6 years ago there was close to ~50% turnout and the Indian establishment and government touted that as a sign that Kashmiris want to be part of India and want to be part of the decision making process of India in Kashmir rather than seperate

Going by this logic this is a HUGE VOTE by Kashmiris in favor of separating themselves from India

Voting or not, Kashmiri land will remain with India.

 

[Rafa]

Nicely done by the Kashmiris, but still expect Indians to justify the illegal and forced occupation of Kashmir .

 

[Zak_Fan]

I remember 5-6 years ago there was close to ~50% turnout and the Indian establishment and government touted that as a sign that Kashmiris want to be part of India and want to be part of the decision making process of India in Kashmir rather than seperate

Going by this logic this is a HUGE VOTE by Kashmiris in favor of separating themselves from India

70%, roughly 2 years ago. Events in the last 1 year and current violence in polling stations has contributed to the low turnout in Srinagar. Things should get better with time.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Nicely done by the Kashmiris, but still expect Indians to justify the illegal and forced occupation of Kashmir .

Quote something to prove it illegal.

 

[Hornbill]

I think PDP and BJP created this situation to win the seat. Majority of the 7% voters might be their loyalists.

 

[Rafa]

Quote something to prove it illegal.

The fact that indigenous people in Kashmir hate the very presence of your Army isn't enough? The fact that they need independence and don't consider themselves Indians?

 

[Zak_Fan]

The fact that indigenous people in Kashmir hate the very presence of your Army isn't enough? The fact that they need independence and don't consider themselves Indians?

So, you couldn't find anything illegal about Indian occupation.

As for second part, I wholeheartedly agree, but to be fair, Indian army and AFSPA came for valid reasons. If present day Kashmiri generation learns to coexist peacefully like their forefathers did in 60s, 70s and 80s, the army will fall back. The sooner these independence dreams evaporate, the better for Kashmiris.

 

[www787]

Voting or not, Kashmiri land will remain with India.

The way things are going, India will have to commit every crime against humanity to keep Kashmir from exploding.

 

[Syed1]

Kashmir slipping from India's hands

 

[Saeed]

Kashmir slipping from India's hands

So true, embarrassing turnout in world's biggest democracy.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Indians getting a bit uneasy there with complains over the Kashmir issue. Well, there has been an election in Kashmir which was rejected by the vast majority of people , make it clear that they don't want anything to do with the Indian State.

Deserves a thread, no? It just nullified all the Indian state propaganda about Kashmiris being happy to be part of India just because they participate in elections.

 

[Indiafan]

Indians getting a bit uneasy there with complains over the Kashmir issue. Well, there has been an election in Kashmir which was rejected by the vast majority of people , make it clear that they don't want anything to do with the Indian State.

Deserves a thread, no? It just nullified all the Indian state propaganda about Kashmiris being happy to be part of India just because they participate in elections.

Luckily Kashmir is not just Sringar, is it? Yes Indians are very uneasy as a thread was made on a cricket forum. That will achieve what 65 years did not do.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Luckily Kashmir is not just Sringar, is it? Yes Indians are very uneasy as a thread was made on a cricket forum. That will achieve what 65 years did not do.

All evil empires meet the same end, India will too. Don't be confident that Indian occupation of Kashmir will continue forever just because it has lasted for 65 years.

 

[troodon]

All evil empires meet the same end, India will too. Don't be confident that Indian occupation of Kashmir will continue forever just because it has lasted for 65 years.

Evil Empire?

Pak needs to get the land it donated to China first.

Let Kashmir be in tact the way it was at 1947.

Brainwashed people cannot see anything outside of religion. Kashmir's future will be better off with India. More jobs, bigger economy and better growth. But wait, religion trumps everything.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Evil Empire?

Pak needs to get the land it donated to China first.

Let Kashmir be in tact the way it was at 1947.

Brainwashed people cannot see anything outside of religion. Kashmir's future will be better off with India. More jobs, bigger economy and better growth. But wait, religion trumps everything.

Easier for you to be sold off to the highest bidder, but kashmiris value freedom more.

Free Kashmir and take care of your other 800 million that go without food every night.

 

[troodon]

Easier for you to be sold off to the highest bidder, but kashmiris value freedom more.

Free Kashmir and take care of your other 800 million that go without food every night.

Its not about Freedom. Its about joining a Muslim neighboring country.

If Pakistan was not a Muslim nation, Kashmiris would not want anything to do with them.

This is all about Kashmiri people who do not want to be with infidels and absolutely do not want to be ruled by infidels. No point in sugar coating the truth.

 

[TM Riddle]

Evil empire . What is it star wars or smth?

 

[Slog]

What's with these daily Kashmir threads now a days? This issue has already been discussed to death here and threads such as these serves no purpose other than both sides taking cheapshots at each other. Kashmir belongs to India and this is gonna be the case for ever.End of

well that is just not true

check any map not produced in india.

 

[TM Riddle]

well that is just not true

check any map not produced in india.

We have the land though.

 

[Slog]

We have the land though.

you actually dont

you think 100% of kashmir is under india control?

 

[TM Riddle]

you actually dont

you think 100% of kashmir is under india control?

Most of it anyway.We are completely fine with the status quo.You can keep your baltis and mugs.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Its not about Freedom. Its about joining a Muslim neighboring country.

If Pakistan was not a Muslim nation, Kashmiris would not want anything to do with them.

This is all about Kashmiri people who do not want to be with infidels and absolutely do not want to be ruled by infidels. No point in sugar coating the truth.

The fact is Kashmiris deserve freedom, however their decision to Join Pakistan or remaining independent is secondary.

 

[Madplayer]

I am back. After 3 day ban on internet in kashmir. The ban would have been longer but The elections supposed to be held in Islamabad (anantnag) on 12th have been postponed till May because after dismal turn out in srinagar, election commission of india "thought" that it isnt the right time to hold elections. Mobile internet is still banned at this moment.

Many people were killed by well trained and equipped supa powa Indian forces for protesting like you already know.

 

[Madplayer]

Its not about Freedom. Its about joining a Muslim neighboring country.

If Pakistan was not a Muslim nation, Kashmiris would not want anything to do with them.

This is all about Kashmiri people who do not want to be with infidels and absolutely do not want to be ruled by infidels. No point in sugar coating the truth.

This "demand" for right to self determination did not originate yesterday. Kashmiris (muslims hindus buddhists alike) fought even Akbar when he tried to invade Kashmir even though he was a muslim.

Religion defo has a part to play, just a part mind you. Ofcourse it works well in India's favour to give it a communal colour by presenting religion as the sole reason of why Kashmiris ask for their right to decide for themselves.

 

[santos11]

I am back. After 3 day ban on internet in kashmir. The ban would have been longer but The elections supposed to be held in Islamabad (anantnag) on 12th have been postponed till May because after dismal turn out in srinagar, election commission of india "thought" that it isnt the right time to hold elections. Mobile internet is still banned at this moment.

Many people were killed by well trained and equipped supa powa Indian forces for protesting like you already know.

Why has the voting been so low this time
? Why do Kashmiris vote in large numbers before if they don't want to be part of India?

 

[TM Riddle]

Those pundits beg to differ.Oh but I'm sure it's just a bunch of lies propagated by the 'evil' hindu establishment and no such massacre occurred.

 

[Madplayer]

Why has the voting been so low this time
? Why do Kashmiris vote in large numbers before if they don't want to be part of India?

First of all i dont understand the fuss about voting or not voting. Even if someone votes, it is simply because he thinks that the time is right so that a government could be formed which can solve their grievances. Previous voting turnouts in recent years were comparatively higher because militancy was on a decline since late 90s and people thought its the right time to show some faith in our mainstream politicians to solve our day to day issues as well as the big political issue. People thought this because this is exactly what the politicans promised them in their rallies. Even today politicans, in their rallies, tell the gullible people that they will work to solve the K issue. If u look at the voting turnouts and do some analysis , you will see most people who voted previously were from far flung remote areas and they came out in big numbers. Perhaps they fell for the sweet promises of politicians.

The way previous voting turnouts were "used" by Indians to show that Kashmiris are okay with india was foolish to begin with and makes no sense when UN resolutions clearly mention that elections for forming governments should not be equated to a plebescite.

 

[Madplayer]

Those pundits beg to differ.Oh but I'm sure it's just a bunch of lies propagated by the 'evil' hindu establishment and no such massacre occurred.

Exactly.. bunch of lies propagated by Hindu establishment to protect their dharam. I feel for my pandit brothers who have been historically used by India for defaming kashmiri struggle. I pray that they come back to their land and live peacefully with us like many pandits who never left Kashmir are doing.

 

[JaDed]

Exactly.. bunch of lies propagated by Hindu establishment to protect their dharam. I feel for my pandit brothers who have been historically used by India for defaming kashmiri struggle. I pray that they come back to their land and live peacefully with us like many pandits who never left Kashmir are doing.

Not entirely true man sorry to say,maybe now after realizing many Kashmiris feel their cause will get worldwide recognition if Pandits return but if you ask many Pandit families(Bangalore one) they still have no plans to be back to the valley,can say this as I met a lot of Pandit families that settled in Bangalore,ofcourse it could be that they are from that one area of valley where things were bad and it might not be in your area but you talking about KP is very similar to an average Indian talking about violence in Kashmir.

Token numbers being used as examples of KM-KP brotherhood are similar to the token numbers India use as example to showcase peace,

 

[Madplayer]

Not entirely true man sorry to say,maybe now after realizing many Kashmiris feel their cause will get worldwide recognition if Pandits return but if you ask many Pandit families(Bangalore one) they still have no plans to be back to the valley,can say this as I met a lot of Pandit families that settled in Bangalore,ofcourse it could be that they are from that one area of valley where things were bad and it might not be in your area but you talking about KP is very similar to an average Indian talking about violence in Kashmir.

Token numbers being used as examples of KM-KP brotherhood are similar to the token numbers India use as example to showcase peace,

I can understand what you are saying so i am not going to go into this discussion. It is a very long debate of what happened to pandits and why many of them left. Why the sikhs or christians never left. Why pandits living in different parts of India are now saying what they are saying against Kashmiri muslims. Which categories of pandits are speaking against muslims and which are the ones who arent speaking against muslims. Lots of questions which have answers but just needs people to seek them actively. The discussion might go in the wrong direction here so i will let it slip this time.

 

[Hornbill]

Just read news that EC is going to conduct by polls in 38 booths, It will be interesting to see whether government will use same tactics to reduce voting percentage.

 

[ahmedzee]

Voting or not, Kashmiri land will remain with India.

Went to Azad Kashmir in december to spend time with my in-laws there. Saw Pakistani flags there, Pakistani admin and police. People celebrating being a part of Pakistan. So how on earth is Kashmiri land with India when I actually saw that. Speaking of (Indian) Occupied Kashmir, people are not with the govt there. How on earth would the land be with India when the people of the land are not with you?

 

[santos11]

Went to Azad Kashmir in december to spend time with my in-laws there. Saw Pakistani flags there, Pakistani admin and police. People celebrating being a part of Pakistan. So how on earth is Kashmiri land with India when I actually saw that. Speaking of (Indian) Occupied Kashmir, people are not with the govt there. How on earth would the land be with India when the people of the land are not with you?

Maybe those who want to live with Pakistan can cross the border and go to POK while Kashmir part remains with India?

Peace both ways.

 

[ahmedzee]

Maybe those who want to live with Pakistan can cross the border and go to POK while Kashmir part remains with India?

Peace both ways.

Or maybe Indian army should leave (Indian) Occupied Kashmir and let the families live in peace.

 

[troodon]

Or maybe Indian army should leave (Indian) Occupied Kashmir and let the families live in peace.

What about Pandits? They were already driven out by these same militants who are parading as Freedom Fighters.

Its already shameful that 40 years after freedom, Hindus in Kashmir were driven out of their own homes by the Militants and Indian Govt and Army did nothing.
Now the majority even wants to separate from India.

The dangers of minority religion becoming majority.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Lol who givess a damn barring a few Pakistanis whom no one takes seriously in the international arena and a bunch of Kashmiris that hold no more value than of a pawn on a chess board.. Life goes on, kashmir will be India's till the end of time. .. roof roof barking as usual but things remain the same as usual....

NOT a peep about the muslim separatists in China, which China is brutally crushing.. So much for the supposed islamic brotherhood of Pakistanis lol..

 

[Waseem]

Lol who givess a damn barring a few Pakistanis whom no one takes seriously in the international arena and a bunch of Kashmiris that hold no more value than of a pawn on a chess board.. Life goes on, kashmir will be India's till the end of time. .. roof roof barking as usual but things remain the same as usual....

NOT a peep about the muslim separatists in China, which China is brutally crushing.. So much for the supposed islamic brotherhood of Pakistanis lol..

Yeah who gives a damn

Farooq Abdullah: Wake up India, talk to Pakistan or lose Kashmir

National Conference chief and former chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir Dr Farooq Abdullah today said the violence and loss of lives during the Srinagar bypoll "are a tragedy and a failure of the government of the day."
National Conference chief and former chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir Dr Farooq Abdullah, who is contesting the state by-elections from Srinagar, said that the violence and loss of lives during the bypolls in the state "are a tragedy and a failure of the government of the day. They could not provide security to the people, and further, it is the present dispensation which the people reject."
"Why am I playing with fire? Is that not true? Are the stonepelters fighting for MP-ship or MLA-ship or some ministerial post? Wake up, before it is too late," said Abdullah, demanding that the youth deserved to be heard.
Here are some excerpts from the explosive interview.
Rajdeep Sardesai: You said - Kashmiri youth are picking up guns for the freedom of Kashmir, and not for becoming legislators. As a senior statesman, shouldn't you be bridging the gap, but almost endorsing azadi and Kashmir is lost to India?
Farooq Abdullah: Sometime ago, a Parliamentary delegation came to Kashmir under the leadership of the home minister. The delegation was told that we will talk to the youth, and all the stakeholders. Have they done so, in a single step, in the last two years? Why do you blame me?"
Q: Because you want votes, you are stirring the pot..?
A: Wake up, wake up. The situation is quite bad, and don't tell me Pakistan is not a party to this problem. Whether you like it or not, you have to talk to Pakistan. If you want to beat the threat of the terrorists, then you better start talking now.
Q: With what end result? All the talking, and yet terrorists are sent across border, and violence continues?
A: Let us start mending our fences, and start controlling present problem. Let's not burn, let's talk to the youth, Hurriyat, other leaders and come to a solution.
Q: How are talks are going to be different this time?
A: You have 8 people dead, and God knows how many injured. How long will you keep on doing this? You think it's all law and order? Or, you think by development you can change the mind of people?"
Q: Your critics will say that this is theatrics. When you are in power you speak differently, and now you seem to be catering to separatist sentiment?
A: You are losing Kashmir. You better wake up, and start thinking on not a military solution, but a political way. And come down from your high horses...I am seeing a very bad situation. The youth is on boil. Which I have not seen before.
The situation remains tense in the Kashmir valley a day after violence and a historic low voter turnout, at 7 per cent, marred bypolls in Srinagar.
The Election Commission has postponed the bypolls in Anantnag Parliamentary constituency to May 25, 2016.
The decision came after Chief Minister Mehbooba Mufti's brother Tasaduq Hussain Mufti, who is contesting a Parliamentary bypoll in Anantnag, appealed to the Election Commission to postpone his election.
On Sunday, 8 civilians were killed and school set on fire in Shopian, in incidences of poll violence in Kashmir.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...ir-pakistan-national-conference/1/925802.html

 

[moghul]

Voting or not, Kashmiri land will remain with India.

Land, not the people.

 

[Hornbill]

Yeah who gives a damn

Farooq Abdullah: Wake up India, talk to Pakistan or lose Kashmir

National Conference chief and former chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir Dr Farooq Abdullah today said the violence and loss of lives during the Srinagar bypoll "are a tragedy and a failure of the government of the day."
National Conference chief and former chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir Dr Farooq Abdullah, who is contesting the state by-elections from Srinagar, said that the violence and loss of lives during the bypolls in the state "are a tragedy and a failure of the government of the day. They could not provide security to the people, and further, it is the present dispensation which the people reject."
"Why am I playing with fire? Is that not true? Are the stonepelters fighting for MP-ship or MLA-ship or some ministerial post? Wake up, before it is too late," said Abdullah, demanding that the youth deserved to be heard.
Here are some excerpts from the explosive interview.
Rajdeep Sardesai: You said - Kashmiri youth are picking up guns for the freedom of Kashmir, and not for becoming legislators. As a senior statesman, shouldn't you be bridging the gap, but almost endorsing azadi and Kashmir is lost to India?
Farooq Abdullah: Sometime ago, a Parliamentary delegation came to Kashmir under the leadership of the home minister. The delegation was told that we will talk to the youth, and all the stakeholders. Have they done so, in a single step, in the last two years? Why do you blame me?"
Q: Because you want votes, you are stirring the pot..?
A: Wake up, wake up. The situation is quite bad, and don't tell me Pakistan is not a party to this problem. Whether you like it or not, you have to talk to Pakistan. If you want to beat the threat of the terrorists, then you better start talking now.
Q: With what end result? All the talking, and yet terrorists are sent across border, and violence continues?
A: Let us start mending our fences, and start controlling present problem. Let's not burn, let's talk to the youth, Hurriyat, other leaders and come to a solution.
Q: How are talks are going to be different this time?
A: You have 8 people dead, and God knows how many injured. How long will you keep on doing this? You think it's all law and order? Or, you think by development you can change the mind of people?"
Q: Your critics will say that this is theatrics. When you are in power you speak differently, and now you seem to be catering to separatist sentiment?
A: You are losing Kashmir. You better wake up, and start thinking on not a military solution, but a political way. And come down from your high horses...I am seeing a very bad situation. The youth is on boil. Which I have not seen before.
The situation remains tense in the Kashmir valley a day after violence and a historic low voter turnout, at 7 per cent, marred bypolls in Srinagar.
The Election Commission has postponed the bypolls in Anantnag Parliamentary constituency to May 25, 2016.
The decision came after Chief Minister Mehbooba Mufti's brother Tasaduq Hussain Mufti, who is contesting a Parliamentary bypoll in Anantnag, appealed to the Election Commission to postpone his election.
On Sunday, 8 civilians were killed and school set on fire in Shopian, in incidences of poll violence in Kashmir.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...ir-pakistan-national-conference/1/925802.html

During his tenure the situation were even worse, he is behaving like a typical politician.

 

[IamIndian]

An ingenious example of speech and politics occurred recently in the United Nations Assembly that made the world community smile.

A representative from India began: ‘Before beginning my talk I want to tell you something about Saint Kashyap of Kashmir, after whom Kashmir is named. When he struck a rock and it brought forth water, he thought, ‘What a good opportunity to have a bath.’

He removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water. When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished.

A Pakistani had stolen them.’

The Pakistani representative jumped up furiously and shouted, ‘What are you talking about? The Pakistanis weren’t there then.’

The Indian representative smiled and said, ‘And now that we have made that clear, I will begin my speech. ‘And they say Kashmir belongs to them.

 

[uberkoen]

An ingenious example of speech and politics occurred recently in the United Nations Assembly that made the world community smile.

A representative from India began: ‘Before beginning my talk I want to tell you something about Saint Kashyap of Kashmir, after whom Kashmir is named. When he struck a rock and it brought forth water, he thought, ‘What a good opportunity to have a bath.’

He removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water. When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished.

A Pakistani had stolen them.’

The Pakistani representative jumped up furiously and shouted, ‘What are you talking about? The Pakistanis weren’t there then.’

The Indian representative smiled and said, ‘And now that we have made that clear, I will begin my speech. ‘And they say Kashmir belongs to them.

Please. One should be smart enough to distinguish between fact and fiction. This little anecdote, as funny as it is, is purely fiction.

However, you are correct in saying that Pakistan did not exist back in the day however, nor did India as we know it today. India as it is today (from Kanyakumari to Kashmir) was never a single country under anyone's rule. Yes, "India" as a name is known to others for a very long time. People who lived beyond the Sindhu river were referred to as Hindus and the land as India. Every Kingdom that ruled the sub-continental region did so independently and not with an idea that they were ruling a smaller part of a bigger nation.

Historically, Kashmir has been under the rule of the Mauryan empire, Mongol empire, Afghans, The Sikhs and finally the Doghra dynasty. So, historically speaking as well it was never part of 'India' nor was it part of the British Rule as after defeating Ranjit Singh it was sold to Maharaja Gulab Singh. In terms of history, Pakistan has as much claim on the land as modern day India.

After all, Pakistan is also a part of undivided India and that does not mean India can just annex it and proclaim it as Akhanda Bharat. Similarly nobody questions the heritage of Kashmir and the fact that it was culturally at least tied to India for centuries. But which of the two successors to the undivided India has more justified claims to it or does this state by itself has to be granted independence and sovereignty, or if all Jammu and Kashmir is one and indivisible, or if Jammu now a definitely Hindu majority area is different and needs to be detached from Kashmir valley which is overwhelmingly Muslim majority area, are all serious problems which cannot just be answered by reference to its hoary past.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Kashmir Re-poll: Polling ends at 2% turnout

Srinagar: Voting in all the 38 polling stations where re-polling was held on Thursday ended peacefully, official sources said.

The final poll percentage was recorded 2%, they added.
Giving details official sources told Kashmir Reader that only 709 voters cast their votes out of 35169 registered voters.

http://kashmirreader.com/2017/04/13/kashmir-re-poll-polling-ends-2-turnout/

So just a 2% turnout in the re-polling, now it is well and truly clear that Kashmiris have rejected everything related to India and expect nothing but freedom.

 

[FreakCricket]

its funny why indian PPers have to defend so hard, kashmir has spoken they don't want to be part of indian saffroncracy. 2% voter turn out is a really big slap on their faces! #KashmirhatesIndia

 

[90MPH]

2% is still an achievement.

Who were they ?? Indian army troops ?

 

[Thomaskutty]

No worries ... if kashmiris don't want to vote , they will have to bear with the consequences of the policies of the party that eventually comes to power as a result of their political lethargy. Talk about shooting themselves in the foot ..

 

[Yatoo]

 

[Rafa]

Good now we won't have to hear about Kashmiris participating in elections = kashmiris loving India.

I don't know why India is suppressing kashmiris and forcing Indian Nationalism on them.

 

[Madplayer]

2% is still an achievement.

Who were they ?? Indian army troops ?

Workers of political parties and their families etc. Even A huge chunk of policemen dont vote either. Due to presence of media persons near polling stations and peoplr with mobile phones now with latest equipment capable of creating video proofs, indian army cant vote as kashmiris either which was the case few years ago.

 

[Madplayer]

No worries ... if kashmiris don't want to vote , they will have to bear with the consequences of the policies of the party that eventually comes to power as a result of their political lethargy. Talk about shooting themselves in the foot ..

You indians dont get it do you? Its about sending a message. India used the 60% nonsense in UN last time to say that kashmiris want to be with india. Thats how important these elections are for India. What are u going to say to the international community now? That all kashmiris were out on vacations? You guys have lost the 1 excuse you had.

 

[Romali_rotti]

What are u going to say to the international community now? That all kashmiris were out on vacations? You guys have lost the 1 excuse you had.

Well the issue here is no one barring Pakistanis and the separatist Kashmiri's care about Kashmir. Pakistan with its brilliant current political strength in today's world holds ZERO value in the international arena. Kashmir will always be with India, India holds all the cards, Kashmiri's can either go the way they are going now aka heading nowhere but on a downward spiral like Pakistan or cooperate with rest of India and live better. Choice is theirs, if they are insistent on making life hard for yourself by all means DO IT...............

 

[Snow]

Well the issue here is no one barring Pakistanis and the separatist Kashmiri's care about Kashmir. Pakistan with its brilliant current political strength in today's world holds ZERO value in the international arena. Kashmir will always be with India, India holds all the cards, Kashmiri's can either go the way they are going now aka heading nowhere but on a downward spiral like Pakistan or cooperate with rest of India and live better. Choice is theirs, if they are insistent on making life hard for yourself by all means DO IT...............

some people can't seem to see beyond religion.

 

[Romali_rotti]

some people can't seem to see beyond religion.

They just dont get it and never will, its their fate.......

 

[Yatoo]

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/852754179181256704/pu/vid/320x180/-E4uergzOEs0gYKC.mp4

 

[Waseem]

some people can't seem to see beyond religion.

Well about 200 million Indian Muslims are perfectly living without such issues, aren't they? Why is it different with Kashmiri muslims? Easy to blame the victims or religion here, is it hard to understand why there is still trouble in Kashmir on daily basis when your 100,000 soldiers deployed to keep things under are still unsuccessful? Yes you can always blame Pakistan but surely not working to control situation.

 

[Madplayer]

Well about 200 million Indian Muslims are perfectly living without such issues, aren't they? Why is it different with Kashmiri muslims? Easy to blame the victims or religion here, is it hard to understand why there is still trouble in Kashmir on daily basis when your 100,000 soldiers deployed to keep things under are still unsuccessful? Yes you can always blame Pakistan but surely not working to control situation.

You forgot to add one more zero in the number of armymen.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Voting or not, Kashmiri land will remain with India.

Not for long, no. You can keep yourself happy and keep believing this if it helps you sleep at night but the truth is, Kashmir being independent is inevitable. The imminent reality.

Sorry for hurting your feelings.

 

[Romali_rotti]

but the truth is, Kashmir being independent is inevitable. The imminent reality.

Sorry for hurting your feelings.

Agreed no one will argue this, however when Kashmiri's final get their freedom rest of the human population would have moved to mars by then..

 

[IMMY69]

"Arrogance is being full of yourself, feeling you're always right, and believing your accomplishments or abilities make you better than other people. People often believe arrogance is excessive confidence, but it's really a lack of confidence. Arrogant people are insecure, and often repel others"

 

[90MPH]

Agreed no one will argue this, however when Kashmiri's final get their freedom rest of the human population would have moved to mars by then..

That's not nice rotti. You yourself have told how you ran kicking and screaming away from India to get to Australia only to tell Kashmiris they should be locked up and caged until you Indians can figure a way to get to Mars.

How about moving to Africa instead ??

 

[Madplayer]

Agreed no one will argue this, however when Kashmiri's final get their freedom rest of the human population would have moved to mars by then..

We'll take it.

 

[Romali_rotti]

That's not nice rotti. You yourself have told how you ran kicking and screaming away from India to get to Australia only to tell Kashmiris they should be locked up and caged until you Indians can figure a way to get to Mars.

How about moving to Africa instead ??

Umm what ? Can someone translate what Pac_Man here is saying ???

 

[ExpressPacer]

Agreed no one will argue this, however when Kashmiri's final get their freedom rest of the human population would have moved to mars by then..

I think the independence is imminent with the way things are going. Hundreds of country's, states, civilizations throughout the course of history have successfully fought for their rights and autonomy even when it seem impossible.

 

[Waseem]

Take it easy guys, no personal attacks please

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Only 2% voters? Only those who live in that part of the world can tell whats happening there exactly. Trusting our media these days is pretty risky.

 

[Fantasy]

Only 2% voters? Only those who live in that part of the world can tell whats happening there exactly. Trusting our media these days is pretty risky.

Well,you seem to be one of the only few sane guys left here.

 

[troodon]

I think the independence is imminent with the way things are going. Hundreds of country's, states, civilizations throughout the course of history have successfully fought for their rights and autonomy even when it seem impossible.

Easy to get freedom back in history.

India is a super power in South Asia and the only way Kashmir gets freedom is if India collapses economically and politically Soviet style.

Kashmiris will not get freedom not in the next few decades. As india's economic might is increasing, Kashmir's chances only decrease.

Until then generations of people can try their luck and pelt stones and waste their time.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Easy to get freedom back in history.

India is a super power in South Asia and the only way Kashmir gets freedom is if India collapses economically and politically Soviet style.

Kashmiris will not get freedom not in the next few decades. As india's economic might is increasing, Kashmir's chances only decrease.

Until then generations of people can try their luck and pelt stones and waste their time.

With millions dying of starvation annually, India is everything but a superpower of even South Asia.

 

[big_gamer007]

With millions dying of starvation annually, India is everything but a superpower of even South Asia.

Troop count wise and military wise India is a superpower not as big as china, USA or Russia but still a superpower.. though as you pointed out we are way lacking in general standard of living compared to other countries..

 

[ExpressPacer]

Troop count wise and military wise India is a superpower not as big as china, USA or Russia but still a superpower.. though as you pointed out we are way lacking in general standard of living compared to other countries..

The level of overpopulation India suffers with, a high troop count doesn't really impress anyone. And the number of soldiers you have is least important in this day and age. It is about how well equipped, well trained and how good your army is. Sole numbers get you no where. And given the recent leaked videos of Indian soldiers and how they were being treated, how they weren't even provided with basic necessities of food, the Indian army is far from ideal.

Your media and Govt. may feed your delusions but the reality is in front of you.