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Is Pahalgam attack another false flag operation to accomplish nefarious designs by Indian regime or a retort for misadventures in Balochistan?

What do you believe to be the true nature of recent attack in Pahalgam?

  • It was a attack by some foreign force in India

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Great spot @emranabbas... obviously we may get to see more....because it's godi media
Indian media’s big blunder: Couple declared dead in Pahalgam attack found alive

 
Posted by brother @m.shah in another thread


This is The Complete list of Persons who lost their lives in Pahalgam Terror Attack,which has been on India TV News*.
*1-Mohammed Asif UP.*
*2 - Anis Qureshi UP.*
*3 -Faisal Khan Delhi* .
*4 -Salim Baig Rajasthan*.
*5 - Anil Roy Bihar*
*6.Ramesh Yadav UP*.
*7 Pradeep Mishra UP*
*8 - Arif Qureshi UP*.
*9 -Praveen Thakur *Haryana*.
*10 - Jameel Ahmed Punjab*
*11 - Suresh Kumar Delhi*.
*12 - Mohsin Shaikh Maharashtra*.
*13 -Afzal Ansari Bihar*
*14- Manju Sharma* *Rajasthan*.
*15- Deepak Varma UP*.
*16 - Nazim Khan UP*.
*17 - Sunil Gupta Bihar*
*18- Aslam Mirza Gujarat*
*19 - Rakesh Yadav MP*.
*20-Sharif Shaikh Maharashtra*.
*21- Shahid Hussain Delhi* .
*22-Riyaz Ahmed Jammu* .
*23 - Meenaxi Tripathi UP*.
*24 - Salim Khan UP* .
*25 - Neeraj Varma Haryana* .
*26- Irshad Khan Delhi*.
*Out of 26 dead 15 are Muslim Names.
If this list is true then Shame on Godi Media for spreading fake news since yesterday.
 
Posted by brother @m.shah in another thread


This is The Complete list of Persons who lost their lives in Pahalgam Terror Attack,which has been on India TV News*.
*1-Mohammed Asif UP.*
*2 - Anis Qureshi UP.*
*3 -Faisal Khan Delhi* .
*4 -Salim Baig Rajasthan*.
*5 - Anil Roy Bihar*
*6.Ramesh Yadav UP*.
*7 Pradeep Mishra UP*
*8 - Arif Qureshi UP*.
*9 -Praveen Thakur *Haryana*.
*10 - Jameel Ahmed Punjab*
*11 - Suresh Kumar Delhi*.
*12 - Mohsin Shaikh Maharashtra*.
*13 -Afzal Ansari Bihar*
*14- Manju Sharma* *Rajasthan*.
*15- Deepak Varma UP*.
*16 - Nazim Khan UP*.
*17 - Sunil Gupta Bihar*
*18- Aslam Mirza Gujarat*
*19 - Rakesh Yadav MP*.
*20-Sharif Shaikh Maharashtra*.
*21- Shahid Hussain Delhi* .
*22-Riyaz Ahmed Jammu* .
*23 - Meenaxi Tripathi UP*.
*24 - Salim Khan UP* .
*25 - Neeraj Varma Haryana* .
*26- Irshad Khan Delhi*.
*Out of 26 dead 15 are Muslim Names.
If this list is true then Shame on Godi Media for spreading fake news since yesterday.
Is this true?
 
Disclaimer: We all condemn loss of innocent lives in recent attacks and just are looking to explore proofs and trails for recent attacks

False flag operation under Narendra Modi led government is nothing new for the world and the recent attack in pahlalgam looks suspicious too as Indian media and security analyst readily point fingers at Pakistan for this condemnable action but with no proofs to back up their claims.

If one try to figure out the biggest beneficiary of this recent attack, then it would be no one but the incumbent Indian government itself as such actions would enable them to put more curbs on powers of Jammu & Kashmir current government led by Omar Abdullah. Also in a time, when the security situation is looking bleak in Manipur, Nagaland and other sister states in India's vulnerable chicken neck region. Such events will help the incumbent BJP government to rally forces against their dissidents and exercise more arbitrary powers.

Also it makes zero sense for local Kashmiris to embark on such a mission, knowing beforehand that the ideologue of Israel will use it against poor Kashmiri Muslims to simulate or unleash the outrageous atrocities model as being already in place by the occupying force in Palestine.
Historically, the activities were restricted to Kashmir valley but for the past few years the attacks in Jammu have been increasingly alarmingly and Al-Jazeera (Aug 1, 2024) did a profile on this piece. The attack in Pahalgam couldn't have happened without the access from Kathra, Udhampur, Dodha etc (in Jammu) which have been seeing an increased casualty rate from Indian Army and experts have been warning about this.

Pahalgam cannot be access from Dras/Kargil/Batalik sector (due to harsh winter conditions). It couldn't have happened from LOC (Kupwara, Baramullah, Srinagar) and if did happen then it is intelligence failure and sever incompetence of 500,000+ combined Indian military and paramilitary forces. If Terrorists from Pakistan crossed Kupwara or Baramulla and then reached Pahalgam, Indians should hang their heads in shame because this isn't the harsh vast terrain of Baluchistan.

Either way Indians have a major problem to handle and I am sure sane Indians are looking at this:
  1. In the event "Terrorists from Pakistan" crossed into the valley across LOC then it is a major concern
  2. If this is planned and executed from Jammu then the insurgency is spreading.

I can only guess that either this is a false flag OR TRF are operation while based in Jammu. The first possibility is an opportunity for India (to blame Pakistan and continue with various dam projects etc) and the second is a difficult scenario because unlike the (Kashmir) valley, Jammu has always been relatively calm and also has Hindu majority are very Pro-India so somehow TRF has been able to blend into Jammu's Hindu majority belt and then attack.

TRF founder and the current chief are from Kulgam district so their links in Jammu (instead of Kashmir) make sense so IF TRF are a legit organisation then India has got serious issues and vacationing etc in the valley is over!


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How many tourists were there? Why was there no police or security presence? How can the blame be placed solely on the locals? Do the army rely on the locals for security, or is it the other way around? How are these terrorists entering India so easily?

This is a failure on both the state and central governments, yet people are busy pointing fingers at locals without any proof. :facepalm :inti
If you are really Indian as you claim atleast support India now. You may be against cricket team but dont be against your own country if you are Indian
 
If you are really Indian as you claim atleast support India now. You may be against cricket team but dont be against your own country if you are Indian
I asked those questions as an Indian, just like many others who are concerned about our security. I am not a blind follower of the BJP who ignores valid concerns. If you can, go ahead and answer them. :inti
 
If you are really Indian as you claim atleast support India now. You may be against cricket team but dont be against your own country if you are Indian
Isn’t he simply questioning the Indian government’s failure, especially after it’s been repeated time and again that Kashmir is “safe for everyone”?

When you sell stability as a success story, don’t be surprised when people ask questions the moment that story falls apart.

And honestly, what could be more Indian than blindly echoing the government's narrative
 
Isn’t he simply questioning the Indian government’s failure, especially after it’s been repeated time and again that Kashmir is “safe for everyone”?

When you sell stability as a success story, don’t be surprised when people ask questions the moment that story falls apart.

And honestly, what could be more Indian than blindly echoing the government's narrative
This is what he is doing always. Gives other chances to point back at India by claiming to be modern or open or whatever you call it these days. Atleast did not try to search for answers before pointing back at country. In this i really appreciate pakistanis they stand with their country matter what. Never saw a single pak guy saying his country might be at fault etc. hats off to you guys
 
If you are really Indian as you claim atleast support India now. You may be against cricket team but dont be against your own country if you are Indian
I think the opposite.

The death of innocent noncombatant civilians anywhere of any creed or religion is tragic and attack on them condemnable. However, if both sides get entrenched into their positions instead of looking at the facts objectively then the solution won't be resolved.

India and Pakistan are both militarily capable of inflicting damage on each other, their people and territory. If Indians think that Pakistan can't target and inflict damage they are mistaken. If Pakistanees think that Indians guns, bombs and missiles don't hurt or do damage, they are also mistaken.

  1. If there is categoric evidence that Pakistan Army or ISI is involved in this, Asim Muneer and his monkeys should be hung in public! Its not just stupid but categorically absurd and serves no purpose.
  2. If this is False flag then Indian state should ensure that planners and executors are brought to justice because India will not come out of any kinetic action unscathed and in fact economically and from business reputational perspective India has more to lose! Pakistan is already bankrupt
  3. If Terrorists came from Pakistan (without Pakistan Army involved) then this is a breach, intelligence and security failure of monumental proportions for Indian Army
  4. If Terrorists are based in Jammu, then India also has severe issues

In scenario 1, 3 & 4 Kashmir remains unstable and a flashpoint for both.

In scenario 2, Indians have committed a blunder for short term gain.

That's why both sides (or at least citizens) should calm down and think instead of getting themselves into a frenzy.
 
I have studied this incident in great detail and don't believe it is a false flag.

It is also slightly absurd that whenever Pakistan is afflicted by terrorism it's Indians fault...but whenever they are afflicted by terrorism it's also something they done themselves.

You can make an argument that it was a security failure yes. But this attack was deeply embarrassing for Indian government and security forces, there is no chance in hell it's a false flag
 
I think the opposite.

The death of innocent noncombatant civilians anywhere of any creed or religion is tragic and attack on them condemnable. However, if both sides get entrenched into their positions instead of looking at the facts objectively then the solution won't be resolved.

India and Pakistan are both militarily capable of inflicting damage on each other, their people and territory. If Indians think that Pakistan can't target and inflict damage they are mistaken. If Pakistanees think that Indians guns, bombs and missiles don't hurt or do damage, they are also mistaken.

  1. If there is categoric evidence that Pakistan Army or ISI is involved in this, Asim Muneer and his monkeys should be hung in public! Its not just stupid but categorically absurd and serves no purpose.
  2. If this is False flag then Indian state should ensure that planners and executors are brought to justice because India will not come out of any kinetic action unscathed and in fact economically and from business reputational perspective India has more to lose! Pakistan is already bankrupt
  3. If Terrorists came from Pakistan (without Pakistan Army involved) then this is a breach, intelligence and security failure of monumental proportions for Indian Army
  4. If Terrorists are based in Jammu, then India also has severe issues

In scenario 1, 3 & 4 Kashmir remains unstable and a flashpoint for both.

In scenario 2, Indians have committed a blunder for short term gain.

That's why both sides (or at least citizens) should calm down and think instead of getting themselves into a frenzy.
Agree, but he gives benefit of doubt to pak side and none to Indian side and claims to be indian . This is called false flag. When entire country is mourning, some people like this try to discredit Indian side without any evidence.
 
I have studied this incident in great detail and don't believe it is a false flag.

It is also slightly absurd that whenever Pakistan is afflicted by terrorism it's Indians fault...but whenever they are afflicted by terrorism it's also something they done themselves.

You can make an argument that it was a security failure yes. But this attack was deeply embarrassing for Indian government and security forces, there is no chance in hell it's a false flag
well, after what India did in Balochistan through BLA, im happy with the response from our COAS. He did some great work. Cause India to go into panic mode.
 
This is what he is doing always. Gives other chances to point back at India by claiming to be modern or open or whatever you call it these days. Atleast did not try to search for answers before pointing back at country. In this i really appreciate pakistanis they stand with their country matter what. Never saw a single pak guy saying his country might be at fault etc. hats off to you guys
Actually, that’s not true. Pakistanis are simply asking fair and necessary questions:

Where is the evidence? Why was blame cast even before the bodies were collected? Are the terrorists from India or Pakistan? And why does the released sketch look like a poorly photoshopped version of Babar Azam?

More importantly, how does such a high profile attack occur in a region with an estimated 700,000 troops, the most militarized zone on the planet? And why wasn’t security heightened during tourist season?

Let’s not forget, India has been vocal about the Indus Waters Treaty long before this incident, which raises even more questions about timing and motive.

No one here is denying the possibility of Pakistani involvement. In fact, many Pakistanis openly acknowledge the reality of proxy conflicts between both nations. The difference is, when it comes to Balochistan, Indian responses tend to fall back on denial and deflection.

See the difference? One side is asking uncomfortable questions. The other is recycling comfortable narratives.
 
It is also slightly absurd that whenever Pakistan is afflicted by terrorism it's Indians fault...but whenever they are afflicted by terrorism it's also something they done themselves.
Pakistanis love conspiracy. Who doesn't but most would stop saying it loud due to the risk of totally sounding stupid. But more than a half of Pakistani posters are falze flag ji and every day new threads popping up. Gotta give it to the them, it's very difficult to be that stupid as you grow old and years and years of experience and education generally offsets any lack of intellect to a large extent but no.
 
Pakistanis love conspiracy. Who doesn't but most would stop saying it loud due to the risk of totally sounding stupid. But more than a half of Pakistani posters are falze flag ji and every day new threads popping up. Gotta give it to the them, it's very difficult to be that stupid as you grow old and years and years of experience and education generally offsets any lack of intellect to a large extent but no.
Just like Indians funding BLA and killing 100 civilians which indian posters dont accept and make conspiracy.

Its very difficult to be an indian, smell of curry and be retarded. No wonder why Australians look down upon you lot.
 
Pakistanis love conspiracy. Who doesn't but most would stop saying it loud due to the risk of totally sounding stupid. But more than a half of Pakistani posters are falze flag ji and every day new threads popping up. Gotta give it to the them, it's very difficult to be that stupid as you grow old and years and years of experience and education generally offsets any lack of intellect to a large extent but no.
So you genuinely believe India isn’t involved in a proxy war with Pakistan and provides no support in Balochistan?

That’s willful ignorance. And when denial becomes that comfortable, it stops being a position and starts being propaganda.
 
Isn’t he simply questioning the Indian government’s failure, especially after it’s been repeated time and again that Kashmir is “safe for everyone”?

When you sell stability as a success story, don’t be surprised when people ask questions the moment that story falls apart.

And honestly, what could be more Indian than blindly echoing the government's narrative
I am not the only one, many people are questioning the government. These 'andhbhakts' seem to believe everyone should think and behave exactly like them. :inti
 
Just like Indians funding BLA and killing 100 civilians which indian posters dont accept and make conspiracy.

Its very difficult to be an indian, smell of curry and be retarded. No wonder why Australians look down upon you lot.
You didn't get the memo or guess not educated outside madarsas being in a jungle Raj. Indians don't care about Australia or what they think. 90 % terror outfits have a Pakistan connection or run from there. Learn the difference between collecting intelligence or spy operations and running open terror operations and killing people. Except for kulbhushan who may be a spy, you don't have anything on India. No one worth a penny in international has said anything about India. Who am I saying this to anyways. A third rate troll and a kasab idoliser. Most of it will go over your head due to stunted brain. When you get some semblance of a brain, I will debate you. Until then I will let you do your job, trolling
 
I have studied this incident in great detail and don't believe it is a false flag.

It is also slightly absurd that whenever Pakistan is afflicted by terrorism it's Indians fault...but whenever they are afflicted by terrorism it's also something they done themselves.

You can make an argument that it was a security failure yes. But this attack was deeply embarrassing for Indian government and security forces, there is no chance in hell it's a false flag
The more I think about it, the more I am also now leaning towards that it wasn't a false flag operation by India because JD Vance is in India and this is absolutely the worst time to show a security failure. Joking aside, this makes India look severely weak and unable to secure its borders at the time of a potential trade deal with US.

Also any Kinetic action by India will be met by Kinetic action by Pakistan and if not equal India will be insecure and damaged and any damage to Indian reputation that it is not safe and secure for business is a blow they cannot afford.

The dumb Generals of Pakistan Army would not go this far to take attention away from Imran Khan.

But anything is possible and nations and people have made far greater miscalculations in history.
 
So you genuinely believe India isn’t involved in a proxy war with Pakistan and provides no support in Balochistan?

That’s willful ignorance. And when denial becomes that comfortable, it stops being a position and starts being propaganda.
Stop insurgencies, maintain good relations and any clandestine cooperations will stop. Spy and clandestine operations are common. It's foolish if you don't collect intelligence. Onus is on Pakistan to take the first step as they launched four wars and have lost all goodwill in the relationship. One just after ab vajpayee extended an olive branch. Backstab after backstab. Get to the table leave Kashmir aside or status quo and engage in good faith. Kashmiris can negotiate on their behalf, don't worry about them.
 
You didn't get the memo or guess not educated outside madarsas being in a jungle Raj. Indians don't care about Australia or what they think. 90 % terror outfits have a Pakistan connection or run from there. Learn the difference between collecting intelligence or spy operations and running open terror operations and killing people. Except for kulbhushan who may be a spy, you don't have anything on India. No one worth a penny in international has said anything about India. Who am I saying this to anyways. A third rate troll and a kasab idoliser. Most of it will go over your head due to stunted brain. When you get some semblance of a brain, I will debate you. Until then I will let you do your job, trolling
Before questioning others' education, maybe learn how to use basic grammar and punctuation yourself. Your rant reads like a keyboard tantrum, not an argument.

Dont think anyone would want to debate with someone who types like that.
 
Stop insurgencies, maintain good relations and any clandestine cooperations will stop. Spy and clandestine operations are common. It's foolish if you don't collect intelligence. Onus is on Pakistan to take the first step as they launched four wars and have lost all goodwill in the relationship. One just after ab vajpayee extended an olive branch. Backstab after backstab. Get to the table leave Kashmir aside or status quo and engage in good faith. Kashmiris can negotiate on their behalf, don't worry about them.
So you admit, the two nation is engaging on proxy war.
 
Before questioning others' education, maybe learn how to use basic grammar and punctuation yourself. Your rant reads like a keyboard tantrum, not an argument.

Dont think anyone would want to debate with someone who types like that.
If this is a grammar competition, yes I would. Not needed to teach a troll some basics.
 
How many tourists were there? Why was there no police or security presence? How can the blame be placed solely on the locals? Do the army rely on the locals for security, or is it the other way around? How are these terrorists entering India so easily?

This is a failure on both the state and central governments, yet people are busy pointing fingers at locals without any proof. :facepalm :inti

Agree, but he gives benefit of doubt to pak side and none to Indian side and claims to be indian . This is called false flag. When entire country is mourning, some people like this try to discredit Indian side without any evidence.

Can any neutral person point out where I gave the benefit of doubt to Pakistan or even mentioned them by name? I am simply asking a few questions as an Indian. I don't know who was behind the incident because I haven't seen any evidence yet but I have the right to question what happened. Where was the security? Why aren't the state and central governments taking responsibility? And if I just blame Pakistan, will that magically answer all these questions? :inti
 
If this is a grammar competition, yes I would. Not needed to teach a troll some basics.
I still did not understand what you wrote.

Lol, I can actually read that in your Indian accent. Even your typing has an accent :yk
 
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The more I think about it, the more I am also now leaning towards that it wasn't a false flag operation by India because JD Vance is in India and this is absolutely the worst time to show a security failure. Joking aside, this makes India look severely weak and unable to secure its borders at the time of a potential trade deal with US.

Also any Kinetic action by India will be met by Kinetic action by Pakistan and if not equal India will be insecure and damaged and any damage to Indian reputation that it is not safe and secure for business is a blow they cannot afford.

The dumb Generals of Pakistan Army would not go this far to take attention away from Imran Khan.

But anything is possible and nations and people have made far greater miscalculations in history.
JD Vance and his Hindu wife being in India wasn't good timing for Pakistan army either.

I don't think there was an official Pakistani hand in this.

What Indians seem to forget is that there is large anti India feeling in Kashmir. Just a few years ago their soldiers were too scared to walk down the streets. That feeling hasn't disappeared no matter how much they talk about economy and railway lines. It's convenient to blame Pakistan.

We aren't much better. While there is an Indian hand in Balochistan the problem is similar to Kashmir in that there is a level of genuine local grievance against the central government.
 
@ipog

Please calm down and take the time to write properly because we genuinely want to understand.

You won't be able to reach across the Internet and occupy Pakistan or take Kashmir or throttle a Pakistani by the neck.

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JD Vance and his Hindu wife being in India wasn't good timing for Pakistan army either.

I don't think there was an official Pakistani hand in this.

What Indians seem to forget is that there is large anti India feeling in Kashmir. Just a few years ago their soldiers were too scared to walk down the streets. That feeling hasn't disappeared no matter how much they talk about economy and railway lines. It's convenient to blame Pakistan.

We aren't much better. While there is an Indian hand in Balochistan the problem is similar to Kashmir in that there is a level of genuine local grievance against the central government.

I am also leaning towards what you are saying.
 
So you admit, the two nation is engaging on proxy war.
I'm not in the GOI to confirm anything but i'd be shocked if any country doesn't try to collect intelligence in hostile countries. Running a country, 101.

Read my response in totality and not partial bits here and there.
 
You didn't get the memo or guess not educated outside madarsas being in a jungle Raj. Indians don't care about Australia or what they think. 90 % terror outfits have a Pakistan connection or run from there. Learn the difference between collecting intelligence or spy operations and running open terror operations and killing people. Except for kulbhushan who may be a spy, you don't have anything on India. No one worth a penny in international has said anything about India. Who am I saying this to anyways. A third rate troll and a kasab idoliser. Most of it will go over your head due to stunted brain. When you get some semblance of a brain, I will debate you. Until then I will let you do your job, trolling

Perfectly summed up. Most of these trolls have been brainwashed since childhood. Can't blame them. They are the product of their enviornement.
 
Perfectly summed up. Most of these trolls have been brainwashed since childhood. Can't blame them. They are the product of their enviornement.
says the guy who thinks every evil that takes place in India is cause of Pakistan.
 
I'm not in the GOI to confirm anything but i'd be shocked if any country doesn't try to collect intelligence in hostile countries. Running a country, 101.

Read my response in totality and not partial bits here and there.

I do not believe you are part of GOI.
 
trust me, no one wants to be an Indian.
Tell that to your 3 million+ bhais and many more from Bangladesh who keep coming into the country or Pakistani restaurant owners in west who want to project their shops as Indian restaurants.
 
Tell that to your 3 million+ bhais and many more from Bangladesh who keep coming into the country or Pakistani restaurant owners in west who want to project their shops as Indian restaurants.
You think people want to be Indians?
 
Lol...I feel so lucky to be born on right side of border.

Imagine being born in a country like Pakistan. Its like living in Hell with all those extremists and madarasa scrambling your brains day in & day out...
good for you if you rather be an indian. Now tell us how do English and Australians treat you?
 
I find it abit odd that Indian accs made in 2016 and before are being logged in, coming here and sprouting garbage......

Wonder if the regulars are using their unbanned old accs to sprout garbage anonymously or are these guys coming from another forum.

This place is reeking of curry suddenly.
 
good for you if you rather be an indian. Now tell us how do English and Australians treat you?

I talk to many guys from US and UK as clients for business. They are super nice and always have good words for their fellow Indians in their workplace.

You seriously need to come out from Pakistan to have a new perspective.
 
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