Stats show that Younis Khan and Misbah-ul-Haq are the problem, not the solution

[Junaids]

We have just seen Adam Voges' career come to an end now that, at the age of 37, he has lost his hand-eye coordination.

Interestingly he wasn't exposed during the county season in England: it was playing on quicker, bouncier Antipodean tracks that he was exposed.

Pakistan fans tend to think of Misbah-ul-Haq and Younis Khan as the saviours of their batting, on the basis of big runs in the UAE.

But it's my contention that they passed their use-by date outside Asia half a decade ago, and that neither player merits a place in the team now.

A classy batsman can carry on in the UAE forever. But he will be exposed outside Asia, and I will now show that this happened to Misbah and Younis years ago.

If you restrict yourself to the tours away to Australia, England, New Zealand and South Africa when they had decent attacks, this is the sad truth about the output of Younis and Misbah:

MISBAH-UL-HAQ

Australia 2009-10
65* + 0
11 + 0
Dropped

South Africa 2012-13
12 + 64
0 + 44
10 + 5

England 2016
114 + 0
52 + 35
56 + 10
15

New Zealand 2015-16
31 + 13

Misbah's record
10 matches
19 innings, 1 not out
1 hundred, 4 fifties, 4 ducks (not a misprint)
537 runs at an average of 29.83
14 FAILURES IN 19 INNINGS


YOUNIS KHAN

Australia 2009-10
Not selected

South Africa 2012-13
0 + 15
111 + 14
33 + 11

England 2016
33 + 25
1 + 28
31 + 4
218

New Zealand 2015-16
2 + 1

Younis Khan's record
8 matches
15 innings, 0 not outs
2 hundreds, 0 fifties, 1 duck (not a misprint)
527 runs at an average of 35.13
13 FAILURES IN 15 INNINGS
AVERAGE FALLS TO 22.07 IF YOU EXCLUDE THE OVAL INNINGS

That is why Pakistan is about to lose the 8th of the 10 Tests.

Any team requires every specialist batsman to pass fifty in at least every third innings that he plays.

But Misbah and Younis have been incapable of that outside Asia against decent bowling since at least 2009 - when they were both probably 35 or 36 years old.

No team can win or even survive outside Asia with past-it batsmen at number 4 and 5 who fail respectively in 87% of innings (Younis) and 74% of innings (Misbah).

For Pakistan outside Asia, Younis Khan and Misbah-ul-Haq are the problem, not the solution.

 

[Junaids]

This decline in Younis and Misbah was perfectly visible on the 2012-13 tour of South Africa, and the PCB has been entirely negligent in not giving Babar Azam and arguably Mohammad Rizwan or Umar Akmal or even Sharjeel Khan long runs in the Test team to ensure that they were ready to perform in Australia.

 

[MenInG]

you are repeating yourself in different threads

Suggest you bump up old ones where you said this before and add above.

 

[Junaids]

you are repeating yourself in different threads

Suggest you bump up old ones where you said this before and add above.

I wanted to show the numbers that prove that these players have long since passed their best.

Too often, posters write "Younis wins matches, like at The Oval". So it's important to see just how often he loses Tests outside Asia.

 

[The_Odd_One]

OP should post numbers of Azhar, Asad, and Sarfraz too.

 

[MenInG]

OP should post numbers of Azhar, Asad, and Sarfraz too.

And there lies the problem.

By removing Misbah from the above equation, we end up with an even lesser score. The list of capable batsmen waiting to take Misbah/YK position is an endless one and will result in automatic victories for the rest of our natural lives.

 

[Buffet]

Can you list others record in the same time period to see if they are a part of solution.

 

[Junaids]

OP should post numbers of Azhar, Asad, and Sarfraz too.

Azhar Ali

Australia 2009-10
Not selected

South Africa 2012-13
13 + 18
4 + 65
6 + 27

England 2016
7 + 23
1 + 8
139 + 38
49 + 30*

New Zealand 2015-16
15 + 31

Azhar's record
8 matches
16 innings, 1 not out
1 hundred, 1 fifty, 0 ducks
465 runs at an average of 31.00

Not great, but better than Misbah, and much better than Younis if you exclude The Oval innings.

Asad Shafiq

Australia 2009-10
Not selected

South Africa 2012-13
1 + 56
111 + 19
6 + 6

England 2016
73 + 49
4 + 39
0 + 0
109

New Zealand 2015-16
16 + 6*

Shafiq's record
8 matches
15 innings, 1 not out
2 hundred, 2 fifties, 2 ducks
485 runs at an average of 34.64

The records of Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq in tough series outside Asia are reasonably average. But they are better than Misbah-ul-Haq and Younis Khan's records since they reached an advanced age, and Asad Shafiq's record is the best by far.

 

[Junaids]

Can you list others record in the same time period to see if they are a part of solution.

As you can see, I have done, and Asad Shafiq is by far the most consistent, in a good way.

Younis Khan: 13% centuries, 0% fifties, 87% failures
Misbah: 5% centuries, 19% fifties, 76% failures
Azhar Ali: 6% centuries, 6% fifties, 88% failures
Asad Shafiq: 13% centuries, 13% fifties, 74% failures

 

[Mamoon]

Misbah played the best innings by a Pakistani batsman in this match.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Azhar Ali

Australia 2009-10
Not selected

South Africa 2012-13
13 + 18
4 + 65
6 + 27

England 2016
7 + 23
1 + 8
139 + 38
49 + 30*

New Zealand 2015-16
15 + 31

Azhar's record
8 matches
16 innings, 1 not out
1 hundred, 1 fifty, 0 ducks
465 runs at an average of 31.00

Not great, but better than Misbah, and much better than Younis if you exclude The Oval innings.

Asad Shafiq

Australia 2009-10
Not selected

South Africa 2012-13
1 + 56
111 + 19
6 + 6

England 2016
73 + 49
4 + 39
0 + 0
109

New Zealand 2015-16
16 + 6*

Shafiq's record
8 matches
15 innings, 1 not out
2 hundred, 2 fifties, 2 ducks
485 runs at an average of 34.64

The records of Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq in tough series outside Asia are reasonably average. But they are better than Misbah-ul-Haq and Younis Khan's records since they reached an advanced age, and Asad Shafiq's record is the best by far.

So, Azhar and Asad in their peak years are marginally better than Younis and Misbah.

 

[Junaids]

So, Azhar and Asad in their peak years are marginally better than Younis and Misbah.

No. If you accept that The Oval innings is an outlier, Asad Shafiq outside Asia these last five years is almost twice as good as Younis Khan, and Azhar Ali after taking a long time to adapt his technique actually has the following record in his last 3 Tests outside Asia:

3 Tests, 6 innings, 1 not out, 302 runs @ 60.40.

So I would argue that Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali have actually replaced Younis and Misbah as the mainstays of the batting outside Asia.

 

[The_Odd_One]

No. If you accept that The Oval innings is an outlier, Asad Shafiq outside Asia these last five years is almost twice as good as Younis Khan, and Azhar Ali after taking a long time to adapt his technique actually has the following record in his last 3 Tests outside Asia:

3 Tests, 6 innings, 1 not out, 302 runs @ 60.40.

So I would argue that Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali have actually replaced Younis and Misbah as the mainstays of the batting outside Asia.

Are you seriously basing your argument on 3 tests now?

Azhar and Asad have not replaced anybody. They are still just a support cast. Only Babar has the potential to do so.

 

[Junaids]

Are you seriously basing your argument on 3 tests now?

Azhar and Asad have not replaced anybody. They are still just a support cast. Only Babar has the potential to do so.

I think we can all see that Azhar made significant technical adjustments after the Old Trafford Test, and has looked much better against pace bowling since then.

Let me put it like this. All ratings relate to outside Asia only.

Younis Khan used to be a 8/10 Test player outside Asia. Now he's a 3/10 who every eighth innings returns back to his former standard for one innings only.

Misbah used to be a 5/10 player, and is now a 4/10.

Azhar is a 5/10.

Asad Shafiq is a 6/10. With the potential to be a 7/10.

Babar is currently a 4/10, with the potential to be a 8/10.

Sami Aslam is currently a 5/10, with the potential to be a 7/10.

Umar Akmal is currently a 3/10, but used to be a 7/10 and has the potential to return there.

 

[Timewaster]

What nonsense, they are both still Pakistans best batsmen by far, i'm sure they will come good the next Test, especially Misbah who looks in good form despite getting out hooking

 

[Junaids]

What nonsense, they are both still Pakistans best batsmen by far, i'm sure they will come good the next Test, especially Misbah who looks in good form despite getting out hooking

How so?

How do you make an assertion like that when Younis has failed in 13 of his last 15 innings outside Asia over a span of four years?

And Misbah has failed in 14 out of 19!

 

[Faisalsq092]

I wanted to show the numbers that prove that these players have long since passed their best.

Too often, posters write "Younis wins matches, like at The Oval". So it's important to see just how often he loses Tests outside Asia.

I dont understand your logic of removing numbers as they suit you. 'Taking away Younis's 218 and his avg falls....'. Why pick and choose on numbers and create uneven ground to compare stats. If the innings was outlier, kudos to him to play such a great knock. Let your Azhars and Shafiqs play such an outlier knock.

You say "... it's important to see just how often he loses Tests outside Asia." Is Younis the sole responsible for losing us test. Does the burden of 11 players fall on Younis. If everything is kept even for everybody, Younis should win Pakistan 1 match out of every 11. I am sure he has done his part in more than that. By your logic of him losing tests, was he responsible for the Pakistan losing at Cape town after he scored 111? You say he has lost more test matches, so that loss should also count against Younis. On the contrary, please let me know how many tests Asad and Azhar have won us outside Asia. Any match which Pakistan didnt win should also be counted against them as you did with Younis.

 

[Junaids]

I dont understand your logic of removing numbers as they suit you. 'Taking away Younis's 218 and his avg falls....'. Why pick and choose on numbers and create uneven ground to compare stats. If the innings was outlier, kudos to him to play such a great knock. Let your Azhars and Shafiqs play such an outlier knock.

You say "... it's important to see just how often he loses Tests outside Asia." Is Younis the sole responsible for losing us test. Does the burden of 11 players fall on Younis. If everything is kept even for everybody, Younis should win Pakistan 1 match out of every 11. I am sure he has done his part in more than that. By your logic of him losing tests, was he responsible for the Pakistan losing at Cape town after he scored 111? You say he has lost more test matches, so that loss should also count against Younis. On the contrary, please let me know how many tests Asad and Azhar have won us outside Asia. Any match which Pakistan didnt win should also be counted against them as you did with Younis.

With respect, I think you are missing the point completely.

Numbers 3, 4 and 5 are the engine room of the team. You can't afford any of the three batsmen to be out of form or not performing: in each Test match you really need their combined six innings to deliver at least 1 century and 2 fifties.

That's not to win. That's just to avoid losing.

Pakistan don't get that from Younis and Misbah when they step outside Asia.

Younis fails in 5 innings out of 6 in a series, then scores a century in the other one.

They just don't provide a foundation for the innings at all.

 

[EngrOmair]

Babar 8/10??????

Babar is talented no doubt about it but what are you looking forward to a batting line up with all newbies. The matter of fact the team didn't get time to settle to the NZ conditions and don't forget,it is home conditions for NZ they were supposed to bat better so Credit to our Bowlers!!

Misbah & Younis are the best test batsmen we have in the Pakistani cricket Circuit !

 

[Junaids]

Babar 8/10??????

Babar is talented no doubt about it but what are you looking forward to a batting line up with all newbies. The matter of fact the team didn't get time to settle to the NZ conditions and don't forget,it is home conditions for NZ they were supposed to bat better so Credit to our Bowlers!!

Misbah & Younis are the best test batsmen we have in the Pakistani cricket Circuit !

I didn't say he was 8/10: I said he is CURRENTLY 4/10 but has the potential to rise to 8/10.

That's pretty obvious isn't it? Isn't he your most talented young batsman for decades?

 

[Junaids]

Babar 8/10??????

Babar is talented no doubt about it but what are you looking forward to a batting line up with all newbies. The matter of fact the team didn't get time to settle to the NZ conditions and don't forget,it is home conditions for NZ they were supposed to bat better so Credit to our Bowlers!!

Misbah & Younis are the best test batsmen we have in the Pakistani cricket Circuit !

How can 13 failures in 15 innings be the best Pakistan can produce, when I've shown you that Shafiq has 2 centuries and 2 fifties in the same matches?

 

[Timewaster]

How so?

How do you make an assertion like that when Younis has failed in 13 of his last 15 innings outside Asia over a span of four years?

And Misbah has failed in 14 out of 19!

Who do you really think NZ are worried about Babar? Shafiq? lol no we are worried about getting Younis and Misbah out

 

[EngrOmair]

How can 13 failures in 15 innings be the best Pakistan can produce, when I've shown you that Shafiq has 2 centuries and 2 fifties in the same matches?

Fine Younis Out, Misbah Out then what? Sarfaraz Captain? Sharjeel and Umar Akmal in the 11. I bet these two can't survive an over from Southee or Boult. Brother i understand your concern but we don't have a solution at present they are best we got and they will come back stronger & better in the 2nd Test.

These bunch of Babar,Sami are getting used to the conditions around the globe and are developing as players once the experienced bunch leave they can fill in their shoes meanwhile we need to produce quality test batsmen to complete the playing 11.

Honestly speaking anyone in the domestic circuit who plays seam and swing well is unfortunately Salman Butt.

 

[Junaids]

Fine Younis Out, Misbah Out then what? Sarfaraz Captain? Sharjeel and Umar Akmal in the 11. I bet these two can't survive an over from Southee or Boult. Brother i understand your concern but we don't have a solution at present they are best we got and they will come back stronger & better in the 2nd Test.

These bunch of Babar,Sami are getting used to the conditions around the globe and are developing as players once the experienced bunch leave they can fill in their shoes meanwhile we need to produce quality test batsmen to complete the playing 11.

Honestly speaking anyone in the domestic circuit who plays seam and swing well is unfortunately Salman Butt.

Yes, I agree unfortunately, and I think it's strange that he's not in the team.

I realise that he has only done moderately in the QEA so far, but he can play in these conditions without getting bogged down.

But surely you must see that Younis and Misbah are actually obstructing the development of younger players?

 

[Hawkeye]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] made similar threads before the England series.

Now, nobody remembers the threads but we do recall how wrong you were and had to accept you've been bashing Misbah for no reason.

Misbah turned out to be our best bat.

And here in NZ too he's been battling the hardest and playing better than the rest.

More humble pies waiting for OP.

 

[cornered paktiger]

You're ignoring the series in New Zealand in 2011/12 which we won 1-0. I can't immediately recall how YK and Misbah did in that series but either way both have been great servants to Pakistan and remain the best two batsmen we have in any conditions. Misbah actually looks in form but decided to have a slog in the first innings in the search for quick runs with only 2 wickets left and an out of the blue hook. I'm sure one or the other will score big in the second test as they always do.

 

[Junaids]

You're ignoring the series in New Zealand in 2011/12 which we won 1-0. I can't immediately recall how YK and Misbah did in that series but either way both have been great servants to Pakistan and remain the best two batsmen we have in any conditions. Misbah actually looks in form but decided to have a slog in the first innings in the search for quick runs with only 2 wickets left and an out of the blue hook. I'm sure one or the other will score big in the second test as they always do.

I'm ignoring it because New Zealand had no bowling attack!

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] made similar threads before the England series.

Now, nobody remembers the threads but we do recall how wrong you were and had to accept you've been bashing Misbah for no reason.

Misbah turned out to be our best bat.

And here in NZ too he's been battling the hardest and playing better than the rest.

More humble pies waiting for OP.

Actually, I strongly disagree.

Misbah started off the series with 114, 0, 52, 35, while Azhar Ali only hit 7, 23, 1 and 8.

But England worked Misbah out, and by the end of the series he'd been caught and overtaken by Younis and Azhar and ended up with 8 runs more than Asad Shafiq. Not to mention, Sami Aslam came in and scored almost as many runs in 2 Tests.

It's typical of the general Misbah myth. Lots of people think he was the best batsman in England even though his series fell off a cliff at the half-way point.

Pakistan in England 2016 averages

Sami Aslam 167 runs @ 55.66 in 2 Tests
Younis Khan 340 runs @ 48.57
Azhar Ali 295 runs @ 42.14
Misbah 282 runs @ 40.28
ASad Shafiq 274 runs @ 39.14

 

[cornered paktiger]

You're ignoring those tests as they run counter to your argument. In 3 knocks Misbah got a half century each time (including a 99) and was only out twice and Younis got two half centuries in 3 knocks. They were our best two batsmen on thy tour.

They were normal NZ conditions (i.e. Difficult for Asian batsmen) and NZ had a decent arrack with Martin, Southee and Vettori.

 

[MenInG]

If you want proper stats about this, see

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...Pakistan-Test-Batsman-Consistency-(from-2013)

rest is just personal bias.

 

[Junaids]

You're ignoring those tests as they run counter to your argument. In 3 knocks Misbah got a half century each time (including a 99) and was only out twice and Younis got two half centuries in 3 knocks. They were our best two batsmen on thy tour.

They were normal NZ conditions (i.e. Difficult for Asian batsmen) and NZ had a decent arrack with Martin, Southee and Vettori.

I'm ignoring those Tests because the New Zealand attack was rubbish.

Tim Southee was averaging 50 with the ball.
Chris Martin was 36 years old and on his last legs.
Brent Arnel was, well who exactly?
Dan Vettori was practically finished.

The previous tour counted - Shane Bond was there. But this attack was Zimbabwe-quality.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

You can't just ignore stats that don't suit your argument.

And by the way, your argument sucks by your own numbers. The other players have been just as rubbish if not worse.

 

[fasihulhaq94]

Misbah played the best innings by a Pakistani batsman in this match.

I thought that was Sher Khan

 

[wakkkLDN]

This decline in Younis and Misbah was perfectly visible on the 2012-13 tour of South Africa, and the PCB has been entirely negligent in not giving Babar Azam and arguably Mohammad Rizwan or Umar Akmal or even Sharjeel Khan long runs in the Test team to ensure that they were ready to perform in Australia.

I agree that misbah and Younis will be and have been exposed outside of Asian conditions. However I am not sure how the newer batsmen fair out of Asia either

 

[Hawkeye]

Junaids, you're ignoring the real problem that's in Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali.

They both are the mainstays of our batting and supposed to take over from Misbah YK.

Supposed to score too and have good reflexes. Yet they're the ones who are constantly failing whenever there's swing and seam movement.

Did we put our money on the wrong guy people all these 6 years ?

 

[Mirpur express]

The problem is that once Misbah & YK fail no one else seems to stand up & be counted.. ps YK will smash a double ton in the next match & am all in for these two to carry on as long as possible
Would love to see Sharjeel squeezed in the 11 for the next game , we simply can't have 2 snail paced players opening for us!!

 

[Junaids]

Junaids, you're ignoring the real problem that's in Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali.

They both are the mainstays of our batting and supposed to take over from Misbah YK.

Supposed to score too and have good reflexes. Yet they're the ones who are constantly failing whenever there's swing and seam movement.

Did we put our money on the wrong guy people all these 6 years ?

I don't think that there is a great batsman in the 29-34 age range from Pakistan. It's just a mediocre period.

In my opinion, in that age band you have Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq and Salman Butt who are basically the same level as one another: guys who will average 30-35 outside Asia in their careers.

In my opinion in the next age band down (25-28) the outstanding talent was Umar Akmal, and it was foolish and excessively short-term to throw out a 21 year old guy with an average of 36 made entirely outside Asia.

Then in the next age band down (21-24) the outstanding batsman was always Babar Azam, and in my opinion he has been inducted two years too late.

Then in the youngest age band (18-20) you have Sami Aslam, who along with Haseeb Hameed and Matt Renshaw is a brilliant prospect.

If Salman Butt hadn't been such an idiot and if the selectors had any grasp of selection planning, you'd be going into this tour Down Under with a settled batting line-up of:

1. Salman Butt
2. Sami Aslam
3. Azhar Ali
4. Babar Azam
5. Umar Akmal
6. Asad Shafiq

I will add what I've said before. I don't know whether Sarfraz Ahmed is capable of centuries outside Asia. But in Steve Rixon, Pakistan is carrying around the world's best wicketkeeping coach for the last 30 years.

I'd be getting awfully close to replacing Sarfraz with Mohammad Rizwan. I understand that Sarfraz is now the next captain-elect, but until he improves his outside-Asia batting, I don't think he is selectable.

No other country still plays batsmen born in 1974. Just Pakistan.

 

[spade]

Junaids, you're ignoring the real problem that's in Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali.

They both are the mainstays of our batting and supposed to take over from Misbah YK.

Supposed to score too and have good reflexes. Yet they're the ones who are constantly failing whenever there's swing and seam movement.

Did we put our money on the wrong guy people all these 6 years ?

Very good point...Shafiq and Azhar are very very ordinary players to start with, Azhar has atleast scored a few important runs for the team but Shafiq has been downright pathetic, he doesn't have the skill to come out of a challenging situation, he should be dropped permanently, simple as that, you can't tell me the whole of Pak doesn't have a better player than Shafiq.

There are better players than him yet are ignored for some strange reason, Umar Akmal would have fared much better in Tests if he were accorded the same no of games that Shafiq got, also Fawad alam should be picked, he is an experienced player and can fill the void created by Misbah, Younis is a tricky one , i don't know of any pak batsman with good ability who could replace him , but it has to be done sooner rather than later, otherwise they will get walloped by the opposition in the UAE.

More worrisome is the bowling attack, Yasir shah's magic is fast dwindling thanks to some remarkable strategy by the Captain and lesser said about the Pakistani pace bowling unit the better, barring Sohail Khan of course, who has been phenomenal.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

As usual people overestimated Pakistan's batting line up. We have been lucky to have played mostly in the UAE and having had flat tracks in the UK. But now you see what it would have been had Eng also prepared seaming wickets. The problem is not new but it shows that there really isn't any improvement even if we are nr 2 in the world. Thank Yasir Shah and your FTP.

As far as Misbah and Younis are concerned. Being 43 Misbah still does better than most of our youngsters which is a worry itself. Younus on the other hand is on a mad decline which will also effect his mammoth batting average.

If Younus keeps being stubborn and goes on in tests then he will eventually average under 50 at the end of his career. A bit like how Ponting disturbed his GOAT like stats in tests.

 

[Major]

And there lies the problem.

By removing Misbah from the above equation, we end up with an even lesser score. The list of capable batsmen waiting to take Misbah/YK position is an endless one and will result in automatic victories for the rest of our natural lives.

this test itself proves that the fantasy list doesn't exist.

Pakistan fielded the best two youngsters of the country, Aslam and Babar, and yet results are same.

No matter who we select, results wouldn't change. Atleast with Misbah, this team could add more score

 

[Major]

As usual people overestimated Pakistan's batting line up. We have been lucky to have played mostly in the UAE and having had flat tracks in the UK. But now you see what it would have been had Eng also prepared seaming wickets. The problem is not new but it shows that there really isn't any improvement even if we are nr 2 in the world. Thank Yasir Shah and your FTP.

As far as Misbah and Younis are concerned. Being 43 Misbah still does better than most of our youngsters which is a worry itself. Younus on the other hand is on a mad decline which will also effect his mammoth batting average.

If Younus keeps being stubborn and goes on in tests then he will eventually average under 50 at the end of his career. A bit like how Ponting disturbed his GOAT like stats in tests.

lets not downplay UAE here.

Its not Pakistan's fault if other countries do not have spinners to tackle us. UAE are spin friendly tracks. Bring a spinner if you want to give a challenge. Pakistan always goes with 2

 

[MMHS]

As you can see, I have done, and Asad Shafiq is by far the most consistent, in a good way.

Younis Khan: 13% centuries, 0% fifties, 87% failures
Misbah: 5% centuries, 19% fifties, 76% failures
Azhar Ali: 6% centuries, 6% fifties, 88% failures
Asad Shafiq: 13% centuries, 13% fifties, 74% failures

A very funny way to put the stats though. Have you thought of, if I take the "outlayer"innings of 139 & that 30* in a chase if 40 by or the 2 "outlayer" innings by Asad, what there stats will look like at their prime?

It's not that 2 players in their 40s, needs to be justified by stats; but reality is PAK is struggling for their best two younger batsmen at their prime is not even matching 2 players 12-13 years older.

They are not performing well & YK actually is struggling against bounce & movement - but they are not the main problem. Forget about the ENG tour when Misbah was MoS & YK was MoM in the decider; take this Test. Real problem was Azhar once bowled through the gate after 1.5 hours in wicket & then batted for 4.5 hours for 31 - got out just after Misbah was out; while Asad got out at the 3rd ball after Lunch. The way amisbah was batting, had Asad been there, PAK could have posted 230+. At least I can assure you that had YK stayed at the wicket equal time like Azhar, PAK would have been in winning position now.

It's not about they should stay or not, at this age, but they are not part of the problem. Problem is that the other 2 you are comparing are matching numbers marginally without any defining contribution. Have you seen the hind side - without those 2 "outlayer" innings (in fact 3); PAK's record would have been played 10, lost 10 - yes, I have included those 2 Tests against Mugabe's Zimboks.

Boss, put arguments that's beyond personal bias - Southee wasn't rubbish in 2011 because he averaged 50; rather he averaged 50 partially because a middle order for the batting side had 2 significant innings of 99 & 60*.

At their age & reflex; yes they should have been phased out - I wrote something on YK during match thread. But don't bring stats into it.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

lets not downplay UAE here.

Its not Pakistan's fault if other countries do not have spinners to tackle us. UAE are spin friendly tracks. Bring a spinner if you want to give a challenge. Pakistan always goes with 2

Point being that it negates our batting issues against especially pace bowling. Ofcourse it's not Pak's fault and neither do they make their own FTP.

 

[The_KING]

Never understand why this guy who isn't even Pakistani keeps bashing our two best batsmen. But this is the guy who wants Salman Butt in the team so I can't take what he says seriously.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

What a stupid post

Let's drop them and replace them for umar and shehzad


The Pakistan odi team has become the ninth wonder of the world since Misbah and yk left

 

[Rayyman]

Agree about Younis, but not Misbah. He is still good.

 

[The_Odd_One]

OP should explain these stats then:

Outside Asia (last 5 years)

Younis 10 matches, 836 runs, average 46.44
Misbah 10 matches, 678 runs, average 37.66
Azhar 10 matches, 559 runs, average 29.42
Asad 10 matches, 538 runs, average 29.88

And then he thinks Younis and Misbah are the problem.

 

[moghul]

Misbah played the best innings by a Pakistani batsman in this match.

That was Babar's in 2nd inning.

 

[moghul]

I am afraid Misbah will lose his very well earned respect and legendary status in Pak cricket if he stuck around for long, he being greedy here. Can;t wait for him to GO. Less we talk about Younis is better.

 

[FreePalestine]

On Misbah - everyone knows he was a different player before he became captain, was inconsistent and not doing well. It was his triple hundred in domestic cricket after he was dropped that turned his batting around for him.

You also have to account for recent form. How can you drop a player who has just averaged 40 and scored a match winning hundred on his last international assignment.