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Allrounders have always been difficult to compare because batting, bowling both needs to be considered. While its easier to Compare Kallis with Sobers as both were Batting Allrounder.
Its tough to compare Kallis with Hadlee as Hadlee was a bowling allrounder. Then there is also a case of Kapil who was good in both but not great in either.
So i selected 11 retired AR with min 2000 runs and 200 wickets with batting average nearly 25 and above.
Traditional comparison of average comparison never sit well with me because it favored Batting A/R a bit too much. Also not outs etc tend to distort batting stats.
The above chart shows massive gulf between Kallis and Botham which felt a bit off to me.
So i decided to breakdown each player inning by inning and tried to generalize their impact level and consistency.
For Example - Imran's career stats based solely on runs scored and wickets taken every match. In matches where Imran didn't bat or bowl were given as 0. Also some match might be abandoned or rain curtailed matches.
Imran Khan
Its tough to compare Kallis with Hadlee as Hadlee was a bowling allrounder. Then there is also a case of Kapil who was good in both but not great in either.
So i selected 11 retired AR with min 2000 runs and 200 wickets with batting average nearly 25 and above.
Traditional comparison of average comparison never sit well with me because it favored Batting A/R a bit too much. Also not outs etc tend to distort batting stats.
Player | Span | Mat | Runs | Bat Av | 100 | Wkts | Bowl Av | 5W | Ave Diff |
GS Sobers (WI) | 1954-1974 | 93 | 8032 | 57.78 | 26 | 235 | 34.03 | 6 | 23.74 |
JH Kallis (ICC/SA) | 1995-2013 | 166 | 13289 | 55.37 | 45 | 292 | 32.65 | 5 | 22.71 |
Imran Khan (PAK) | 1971-1992 | 88 | 3807 | 37.69 | 6 | 362 | 22.81 | 23 | 14.88 |
SM Pollock (SA) | 1995-2008 | 108 | 3781 | 32.31 | 2 | 421 | 23.11 | 16 | 9.19 |
IT Botham (ENG) | 1977-1992 | 102 | 5200 | 33.54 | 14 | 383 | 28.4 | 27 | 5.14 |
Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ) | 1973-1990 | 86 | 3124 | 27.16 | 2 | 431 | 22.29 | 36 | 4.86 |
CL Cairns (NZ) | 1989-2004 | 62 | 3320 | 33.53 | 5 | 218 | 29.4 | 13 | 4.13 |
N Kapil Dev (INDIA) | 1978-1994 | 131 | 5248 | 31.05 | 8 | 434 | 29.64 | 23 | 1.4 |
A Flintoff (ENG/ICC) | 1998-2009 | 79 | 3845 | 31.77 | 5 | 226 | 32.78 | 3 | -1.01 |
R Benaud (AUS) | 1952-1964 | 63 | 2201 | 24.45 | 3 | 248 | 27.03 | 16 | -2.57 |
DL Vettori (ICC/NZ) | 1997-2014 | 113 | 4531 | 30 | 6 | 362 | 34.36 | 20 | -4.36 |
The above chart shows massive gulf between Kallis and Botham which felt a bit off to me.
So i decided to breakdown each player inning by inning and tried to generalize their impact level and consistency.
For Example - Imran's career stats based solely on runs scored and wickets taken every match. In matches where Imran didn't bat or bowl were given as 0. Also some match might be abandoned or rain curtailed matches.
Imran Khan
MatchNo | Runs | Wkts | MinBat 30R | MinBowl 3W | Sum 30R3W | Min 50R | Min 5W | Sum 50R5W | MinBat 100 | MinBowl 10W | Sum 50R10W | Sum 100R5W |
1 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
2 | 54 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
3 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
4 | 34 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
5 | 29 | 6 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
6 | 13 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
7 | 63 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
8 | 53 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
9 | 33 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
10 | 0 | 12 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
11 | 21 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
12 | 36 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
13 | 82 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
14 | 31 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
15 | 45 | 8 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
16 | 32 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
17 | 9 | 7 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
18 | 63 | 6 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
19 | 30 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
20 | 33 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
21 | 61 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
22 | 29 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
23 | 6 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
24 | 32 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
25 | 34 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
26 | 63 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
27 | 19 | 9 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
28 | 9 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
29 | 56 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
30 | 132 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
31 | 29 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
32 | 33 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
33 | 10 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
34 | 35 | 7 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
35 | 3 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
36 | 70 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
37 | 39 | 14 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
38 | 87 | 9 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
39 | 12 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
40 | 113 | 8 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 |
41 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
42 | 24 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
43 | 39 | 8 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
44 | 45 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
45 | 33 | 11 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
46 | 117 | 11 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
47 | 0 | 8 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
48 | 20 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
49 | 32 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
50 | 155 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
51 | 15 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
52 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
53 | 6 | 9 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
54 | 63 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
55 | 7 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
56 | 8 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
57 | 33 | 6 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
58 | 84 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
59 | 15 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
60 | 16 | 8 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
61 | 135 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
62 | 6 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
63 | 66 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
64 | 72 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
65 | 45 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
66 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
67 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
68 | 26 | 10 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
69 | 37 | 8 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
70 | 118 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
71 | 24 | 11 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
72 | 5 | 9 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
73 | 61 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
74 | 71 | 6 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
75 | 69 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
76 | 137 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
77 | 34 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
78 | 66 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
79 | 25 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
80 | 48 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
81 | 149 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
82 | 82 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
83 | 73 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
84 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
85 | 75 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
86 | 93 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
87 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
88 | 22 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |