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In Pakistan cricket there are players with strong lobby systems behind them. Some with political connections, some with business connections, some with connections in the Board and others with high-profile family connections.

Which player in your opinion has had the strongest lobby in Pakistan cricket over the years?
 
Forgot the gang name but they are very strong though... Gang includes (Wahab Riaz, Akmal Brothers and Salman Butt)
 
Shahid Afridi.

Honourable mentions: Ahmed Shehzad, Umar Akmal, Mohammad Hafeez and Shoaib Malik.
 
Forgot the gang name but they are very strong though... Gang includes (Wahab Riaz, Akmal Brothers and Salman Butt)

We can credit my boy [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION] for coining this iconic name :yk3
 
some really funny posts in this thread.

Hafeez and others dont have any lobby.

If there was one guy who had a lobby, then that was Shahid Afridi.

THe guy was backed by geo. All he needed to do was leak dressing room convos to them, and they were to give him backing. Its one of the reasons why Afridi had backing even after being dropped

Remember champions trophy 2012? Afridi gets dropped, everyone goes after Misbah.

Another thing was, afridi had become an icon. He was to pakistan what frank lampard was to chelsea. Thus, afridi attracted sponsors. And afridi's name in the squad was a must if Pakistan cricket needed sponsors.

The guy even ended up getting a series trophy based on his face.

Afridi couldn't be dropped with his lobby.


Nowadays, these arn't lobbies. Many posters here go on about how akmal, hafeez or malik have got lobbies, but these are nothing.

Lobbies are when you could get yourself selected with support even without performance. You could get your way each and every time......


People here keep mentioning hafeez, who the hell supports that guy? He has no backing. No media backing, and no sponsor backing.
 
2nd player with a strong lobby was Younis Khan

Now this is funny. Younis Khan was once hated by media. But the guy ended up creating such an image, as if he is some war hero.

THe guy played the 2015 world cup based on his lobby. He had no performance and should had been dropped from odis

He had media's support
 
As long as there's a foreign coach the lobbies are kept at bay. Once Pakistan gets a local coach then its back to bhai chara
 
One last thing i would mention here, and i'm sure [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] is witness to this(correct me here if i'm wrong),
infront of Ijazz Butt player lobbies were nothing. The guy knew how to deal with them after initial failures.

All he did was give out show cause notice, and that was enough to scare the players and generate good PCB revenue. The likes of Umar Akmal and Afridi were probably paying for 1 players contract witht eh number of show cause notices they received
 
As long as there's a foreign coach the lobbies are kept at bay. Once Pakistan gets a local coach then its back to bhai chara
lol hope.

Under bob woolmer, we saw the tableegh lobby.
 
One last thing i would mention here, and i'm sure [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] is witness to this(correct me here if i'm wrong),
infront of Ijazz Butt player lobbies were nothing. The guy knew how to deal with them after initial failures.

All he did was give out show cause notice, and that was enough to scare the players and generate good PCB revenue. The likes of Umar Akmal and Afridi were probably paying for 1 players contract witht eh number of show cause notices they received

Interesting... I thought Ijaz Butt was a dud
 
It's usually the Punjabi Jatts so the Akmals, Hafeez, Farhat, Masood, Malik, Wahab Riaz, Salman Butt.
 
Shakil Sheikh. Not only are his useless sons and relatives playing due to his influence, he even forced the PCB to alter its constitution to allow him a third term ( https://www.dawn.com/news/1371921 ). The National T20 cup final ceremony with him and Ehsan Iqbal (He had no point being there or giving that stupid speech) was all sorts of cringe worthy.

I leave you to make your own mind about this

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In Pakistan cricket there are players with strong lobby systems behind them. Some with political connections, some with business connections, some with connections in the Board and others with high-profile family connections.

Which player in your opinion has had the strongest lobby in Pakistan cricket over the years?

As in media support? has to be YK - Even beat Afridi to it
 
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] Why is Hafeez respected and rated so highly by all the ex cricketers etc like he’s our MVP then?
 
Chairmans, Board members, employees, players all have lobbies, political connections, personal connections. This is just how every institution in Pakistan is.
 
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] Why is Hafeez respected and rated so highly by all the ex cricketers etc like he’s our MVP then?

his bowling.

Hafeez's bowling has won us many matches in the past. The guy use to bowl a 10 over quota with an economy of less than 4 with 1 wicket or none. Thats something every captain dreams off from his 5th bowler.

The guy has won us many matches.

Hafeez hasn't even done that bad. Last year he was avg 40. The guy isn't as bad as he is made to look from the fans.

Yes, he has had a bad start in 2018, but he still the best senior batsmen.

Also, i'm of the view that when playing on flat tracks, we should take one FTB on such pitches, because they end up scoring big.
 
his bowling.

Hafeez's bowling has won us many matches in the past. The guy use to bowl a 10 over quota with an economy of less than 4 with 1 wicket or none. Thats something every captain dreams off from his 5th bowler.

The guy has won us many matches.

Hafeez hasn't even done that bad. Last year he was avg 40. The guy isn't as bad as he is made to look from the fans.

Yes, he has had a bad start in 2018, but he still the best senior batsmen.

Also, i'm of the view that when playing on flat tracks, we should take one FTB on such pitches, because they end up scoring big.

Yeah, he can't bowl any more. For the third time I might add. Also don't read too much into the average as his recent average padding performance in NZ has reminded us that he only performs (uselessly) when his place in the side is at risk.
 
Hafeez- has kept out a lot of players over time (still is- while he is there Agha Salman cannot play even though is a good deserving player)
Malik (let's not be naive now)
Akmals and Salman butt
Wahab Riaz
Sohaib Maqsood!
Saad naseem definitely!
Am sure there are more unfortunately
 
Hafeez- has kept out a lot of players over time (still is- while he is there Agha Salman cannot play even though is a good deserving player)
Malik (let's not be naive now)
Akmals and Salman butt
Wahab Riaz
Sohaib Maqsood!
Saad naseem definitely!
Am sure there are more unfortunately

Sohaib Maqsood? Saad Nasim?

Are you high?
 
How many matches has he played for Pakistan?

Why did he debut in first place? In domestic cricket the politics he plays to get ahead everyone knows. On what basis he has got picked for all 3 psl? It's ok you have a lot to learn yet.
 
Why did he debut in first place? In domestic cricket the politics he plays to get ahead everyone knows. On what basis he has got picked for all 3 psl? It's ok you have a lot to learn yet.

I'm pretty certain that you don't know what lobbying means. By the way, you seem too comfortable for a newcomer. ;-)
 
If Father and Father-in-law counts as a big lobby then Imran Farhat and Shan Maqsood had the biggest lobby in their favor... Not to foget the Sheikh too...
 
Why did he debut in first place? In domestic cricket the politics he plays to get ahead everyone knows. On what basis he has got picked for all 3 psl? It's ok you have a lot to learn yet.

3 ODIs, 3 T20Is and 3 PSL matches? Weakest lobby, perhaps.
 
Hafeez- has kept out a lot of players over time (still is- while he is there Agha Salman cannot play even though is a good deserving player)
Malik (let's not be naive now)
Akmals and Salman butt
Wahab Riaz
Sohaib Maqsood!
Saad naseem definitely!
Am sure there are more unfortunately

Don't agree with Maqsood or Nasim.

The Hafeez point is fair and people who say 'we have no off-spin all-rounders' are simply saying that because NONE have been tried.
 
Posters claiming certain players don’t have lobbies in the media are delusional or in self-denial. The likes of Hafeez, Malik, Masood, would have been discarded if they played under a professional board.
 
Don't agree with Maqsood or Nasim.

The Hafeez point is fair and people who say 'we have no off-spin all-rounders' are simply saying that because NONE have been tried.

I said Maqsood because it seems he pops out of nowhere again and again, how?

and thank you for being politely disagreeing too, nothing wrong with a difference of opinion :)
 
Some fascinating posts from Major. I will also name another name that I believe played his international cricket on the basis of support from lobbies. Anwar Ali- I believe this guy used to leak dressing room convos and private affairs of the national team to a media group and in exchange they talked him up and pushed for his selection. Can someone confirm this though?
 
[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] I’m sure you’re the one with most insight on this out of all of us. So what’s your view on this?
 
It's impossible to have such a lobby unless the board itself is corrupt. That's where a lobby starts from. At the highest level, external pressure will always be present. I think it's a bit unfair to point fingers at any individual player. Some players may be the beneficiaries of lobbying but I'm not sure if any individual player can force an honest management to select him :).
 
Imran Farhat played lots of cricket for Pakistan, due to one man lobby, his father in Law.
Hafeez must have some strong lobby too, no wonder a vert average player playing for Pakistan for 15 years, unbelievable.
 
Got to be Hafeez. Which of our other players bat in the top 3 in all formats and opened the bowling outside of Asia as a spinner at the age of 30 plus?
 
Heard Hafeez has PMLN backing and previously Firdos Ashiq Awan backed Malik
 
Afridi, Hafeez, Malik, and Akmals

All of them were either undroppable or made 1000 comebacks.
 
Don't agree with Maqsood or Nasim.

The Hafeez point is fair and people who say 'we have no off-spin all-rounders' are simply saying that because NONE have been tried.

I am not so sure about the Akmal “lobby” some may be surprised by this but I think the reason the Akmals got so many chances was due to their aggressive style of batting that we lacked.

The fact neither of the Akmals have played since April 2017 suggests they don’t have much of an influence.

I don’t think Wahab has a lobby either...
 
There's no real lobbies lol. Fans love their conspiracy theories. Gives them excuses when their team loses. The fact of the matter is our seniors simply weren't very good. Hafeez and Malik were just the best of the bunch of seniors despite being mediocre. And Hafeez for a long while held his place as an allrounder. Malik's averaged just a shade under 50 since 2015. Hafeez even after the bowling ban has averaged around 40 since 2015. Hafeez especially in the period he played, generally had the second best numbers in a weak batting side, often being 2nd or 1st highest rated batsman in our side.

Now are younger/newer players are stepping up e.g. Fakhar, Babar, Shadab (and with the return of Haris), even Sarfraz they will be forced out.

There's a lot of batting spots, and teams don't field a batting line up full of newer guys, there's always one or two seniors to keep it together. Difference is we don't have very good seniors unlike other teams. The best choice now is to move on from Hafeez and Malik. Babar despite his young age is now the mainstay of our batting. Sarfraz has to provide that experience down the order too, though it's not like he's incredibly experienced either, doesn't even have 90 ODIs under his belt, and fewer than that since he cemented his place in the side.

Guys that should have cemented their place in the side and had the talent to do so, umar, Jamshed, Maqsood, Sharjeel etc. for whatever reason didn't. That was our issue.

The only players I can think of keeping people out is Kamran as a wicketkeeper (mainly because fans were happier with a flashier batsmen who was inconsistent with the bat, and poor with the gloves, as were unwilling to give a longer rope to a new wicketkeeper). And Afridi as a bowler (not as an allrounder really though) as he may of kept out a spinner. That's about it. And in fairness to them both Kamran and Afridi were very talented and should have achieved far more than they did, you can't fault selectors for giving them chances (even though especially in the case of Kamran, too many chances). However again if the majority of fans wanted Afridi to play, what can they do? He cultivated his fame well and while not spectacular, he had his uses and a replacement to him could well have been worse.

The only conspiracy theories I entertain, are that Masood probably was given a chance partly due to family backing. Farhat while deserved his initial chances due to being a prolific domestic opener, was probably given a few more again than he deserved due to connections.

Certain players also haven't been given their chances/dropped too quickly because they haven't impressed the eyes of selectors etc. despite impressive records. Fawad was a culprit of this despite doing pretty well (especially in comparison to his peers). Sadaf not getting a chance yet again. And Cheema despite taking wickets for years, only given a chance when he was too old. This is more to do with Pakistan's ethos when it comes to selecting, they're more of fan of aesthetically pleasing bowlers, batsmen even if they're a little inconsistent, compared to the uglier techniques which still generate results. Which is why in Pakistan we give a lot of guys debuts/chances with inferior records, hoping they'll do better in international cricket than domestic. And it hardly ever works out.
 
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