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Unbelievable ... The standards have gone down a lot ...

How many tests he has won with his bowling outside of England/Australia? I guess none ....
 
saiyan0312 said:
yeah i was surprised too.... when did he get two hundred wickets?
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Clarke was his 200th Victim a few minutes ago.

Broad could quite easily end up with 400 test wicket (and 4k runs probably) by the end of his career.
 
Gabbar Singh said:
Clarke was his 200th Victim a few minutes ago.

Broad could quite easily end up with 400 test wicket (and 4k runs probably) by the end of his career.
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yeah thats where i found out. surprised that he crossed the 200 mark. man he might end with the all rounder triple of having 300 wickets and 3000 runs.
 
He was man of the series in 0-4 phainta India received in England IIRC!

so fine bowler and also provides fireworks in lower order.
 
I like to see him bowling, very good action of run up and delivering the ball.
Although he looks like a average bowler.
Very congrats on 200 wickets.
 
mnoman15 said:
Unbelievable ... The standards have gone down a lot ...

How many tests he has won with his bowling outside of England/Australia? I guess none ....
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Guess again.

IIRC he got a 5fer in the test England won on their last tour of SA. He did well in SL also. He also bowled really well in the UAE but the ENG batters did so badly that it made no difference.

He averages 30 with the ball at s/r under 60 which is OK these days. I would prefer to see him come on second change behind Finn.

He'll get 400 test wickets.
 
Robert said:
Guess again.

IIRC he got a 5fer in the test England won on their last tour of SA. He did well in SL also. He also bowled really well in the UAE but the ENG batters did so badly that it made no difference.

He averages 30 with the ball at s/r under 60 which is OK these days. I would prefer to see him come on second change behind Finn.

He'll get 400 test wickets.
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Broad's mediocre, should be averaging less playing in generally seamer friendly conditions. 31 ain't exactly great for a fast bowler. He generally sucks away too, even though I was impressed by him in UAE.

He's not bad, but he's not great either. What does annoy me is that sometimes he looks great, some times terrible. Needs to figure out how to bowl well consistently.

Easier to tolerate him now, in general he's had better success with the ball. Was not too long ago the guy was averaging 35 with the ball. It also helps a bit he can bat.
 
ads101 said:
31 ain't exactly great for a fast bowler.
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As I say, he's doing a good third seamer's job. When Finn starts delivering consistently I think Draco will come on first change.

Having eight or nine test fifties helps him.

He frustrates because I really do think he could be Hadlee if he buckled down and worked harder.
 
Broad is an enigma. He looks a world beater one match and totally useless the next. As a general rule I have always felt that he struggles against good batsman in batting conditions.
 
Stuart Broad Has TWO Hundred Wickets?

Some people can't digest it when an Englishman does well or achieves a milestone.

They can't stop sooking.
 
Robert said:
Guess again.

IIRC he got a 5fer in the test England won on their last tour of SA. He did well in SL also. He also bowled really well in the UAE but the ENG batters did so badly that it made no difference.

He averages 30 with the ball at s/r under 60 which is OK these days. I would prefer to see him come on second change behind Finn.

He'll get 400 test wickets.
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Strike rate is 61.2 and it's certainly not OK these days. If a bowler that plays most of his tests in England can't even achieve statistical parity with the likes of Umar Gul and Zaheer Khan(they actually have strike rates under 60 unlike Broad), both of whom play in much less helpful conditions and in Gul's case, have had to compete for wickets against some of the best in the business from Akhtar to Asif, Amir all the way to Junaid and Ajmal.

Broad looks set to become the Afridi of test cricket if he keeps going the way he is. Lots of runs and wickets due to playing an ungodly amount of matches but at mediocre averages.
 
Congrats. He can be handful in helpful conditions and seems to struggle otherwise barring few exceptions. I think he has potential to improve regards his batting. A good stroke player with decent technique.
 
Robert said:
Guess again.

IIRC he got a 5fer in the test England won on their last tour of SA. He did well in SL also. He also bowled really well in the UAE but the ENG batters did so badly that it made no difference.

He averages 30 with the ball at s/r under 60 which is OK these days. I would prefer to see him come on second change behind Finn.

He'll get 400 test wickets.
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a 5-for Broard in South Africa? i must be suffering from amnesia
 
Broad is under-rated IMO!!

He has 200 test wickets plus 2000 test runs, and still pretty young.

Its because England play so much test cricket, they are bound to be players who score a lot of runs and take a lot of wickets which go un-noticed.

Pakistan seriously needs to play a lot more test cricket!!! PERIOD!!!
 
Can someone put up a list of fastest bowlers to 200 test wickets just want to see where Broad is amongst them
 
Decent all-rounder and worth a place in the side.
 
Haroon786 said:
Can someone put up a list of fastest bowlers to 200 test wickets just want to see where Broad is amongst them
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sitting comfortably at the last position. :manzoor

only his good friend Bresnan can get him off the last position :fawad
 
So now he is 15th bowler from england to take 200 Test Wickets...There are 4 english bowlers with 300+ wickets and Anderson is one of them with 320 wickets, Botham got 383 wickets so Anderson is going to to be the first english bowler to take 400 wickets...
 
I assume Anderson and Malfoy will both end up with 400 wickets
 
W63L35 said:
Tests to reach 200 wicket is not a good measure.... Strike Rate is...... and his S/R is better than Kapil Dev, Vaas, Kallis, Statham and Flintoff.....

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...ickets;size=200;template=results;type=bowling
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You would need to make a change here, you should show the respective SRs of players when they reached the 200 wickets milestone instead of their overall career SR, if you are trying to compare regarding the 200 wkts milestone of Broad against others.
 
cricketfanfirst said:
You would need to make a change here, you should show the respective SRs of players when they reached the 200 wickets milestone instead of their overall career SR, if you are trying to compare regarding the 200 wkts milestone of Broad against others.
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That is a little time consuming......! :) I'll let you do that.
 
soso_killer said:
a 5-for Broard in South Africa? i must be suffering from amnesia
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Yeah, fair enough, it was Swann. Broad got 4-43 (Kallis, ABDV, Duminy, Boucher) as SA were bowled out for 133 and England won by an innings. He got Amla and ABDV in the first dig.
 
Played almost the same test number matches as Steyn but still his record is no match to his. He's a good fast bowler but nothing special.
 
W63L35 said:
Tests to reach 200 wicket is not a good measure.... Strike Rate is...... and his S/R is better than Kapil Dev, Vaas, Kallis, Statham and Flintoff.....

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...ickets;size=200;template=results;type=bowling
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All mediocre bowlers(don't know about Statham, he played in the 50s and 60s but have seen all the others play) and two of them aren't even full time bowlers, they're all rounders, so having a higher strike than any of them is no guarantee of quality.
 
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Another Sir Jimmy in the making - world Class at an average of 30 :))
 
tanzeel said:
All mediocre bowlers(don't know about Statham, he played in the 50s and 60s but have seen all the others play) and two of them aren't even full time bowlers, they're all rounders, so having a higher strike than any of them is no guarantee of quality.
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Around 1600 bowlers have taken at least one TEST wickets.... and out of those 1600 bowlers;

Kapil.... 434 wickets.... 6th highest wicket taker... WR holder at one time.
Vaas.... 355 wickets.... 19th highest wicket taker....
Kallis.... 288 wickets....


If above are mediocre bowlers then..... I'd like to see your definition of average, good, excellent and great bowlers!
 
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W63L35 said:
Around 1600 bowlers have taken at least one TEST wickets.... and out of those 1600 bowlers;

Kapil.... 434 wickets.... 6th highest wicket taker... WR holder at one time.
Vaas.... 355 wickets.... 19th highest wicket taker....
Kallis.... 288 wickets....


If above are mediocre bowlers then..... I'd like to see your definition of average, good, excellent and great bowlers!
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Kapil.... 434 wickets.... 6th highest wicket taker... WR holder at one time. - Averages 30 with an average spinner's strike rate of 63.4 and less than 3.5 wickets per match in an era where every team had someone averaging 21-23 with a strike rate in the low 50s and 4 wickets a match or more. Key example of Afridi syndrome - you play long enough, you end up accumulating enough runs and/or wickets due to the sheer number of matches you've played. That world record he broke took 131 test matches compared to 86 for the original record.

Vaas.... 355 wickets.... 19th highest wicket taker.... - Same as above. Even worse strike rate.

Kallis.... 288 wickets.... Ditto. Greatest example of Afridi syndrome in the thread. Pretty innocuous bowler with the odd moment here or there.

Number of wickets is no measure of a bowler's quality, averages and strike rates are. Number of wickets just shows that they managed to play a lot of games. Had it been a good criteria to judge a bowler, Kapil Dev would have been > Wasim, Waqar, Ambrose, Donald, Marshal, Imran, Holding and Garner among others, Vaas would be considered superior to Donald and Kallis would be a superior bowler to Akhtar. None of that is true off course.
 
tanzeel said:
Kapil.... 434 wickets.... 6th highest wicket taker... WR holder at one time. - Averages 30 with an average spinner's strike rate of 63.4 and less than 3.5 wickets per match in an era where every team had someone averaging 21-23 with a strike rate in the low 50s and 4 wickets a match or more. Key example of Afridi syndrome - you play long enough, you end up accumulating enough runs and/or wickets due to the sheer number of matches you've played. That world record he broke took 131 test matches compared to 86 for the original record.

Vaas.... 355 wickets.... 19th highest wicket taker.... - Same as above. Even worse strike rate.

Kallis.... 288 wickets.... Ditto. Greatest example of Afridi syndrome in the thread. Pretty innocuous bowler with the odd moment here or there.

Number of wickets is no measure of a bowler's quality, averages and strike rates are. Number of wickets just shows that they managed to play a lot of games. Had it been a good criteria to judge a bowler, Kapil Dev would have been > Wasim, Waqar, Ambrose, Donald, Marshal, Imran, Holding and Garner among others, Vaas would be considered superior to Donald and Kallis would be a superior bowler to Akhtar. None of that is true off course.
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You wasted your 10 minutes for nothing..

All I asked was..... if these three bowlers among 1600+ test wicket taker are mediocre then what is your definition of average, good, excellent and great pace bowler.

If the question if too hard.... then don't define them.... just list three Pace bowlers in each category.

Mediocre: 1) Kallis 2) Vaas 3) Kapil

Average: 1) ?? 2) ?? 3) ??

Good: 1) ?? 2) ?? 3) ??

Excellent: 1) ?? 2) ?? 3) ??

Great: 1) ?? 2) ?? 3) ??


Just so I can understand... your point.
 
W63L35 said:
You wasted your 10 minutes for nothing..

All I asked was..... if these three bowlers among 1600+ test wicket taker are mediocre then what is your definition of average, good, excellent and great pace bowler.

If the question if too hard.... then don't define them.... just list three Pace bowlers in each category.

Mediocre: 1) Kallis 2) Vaas 3) Kapil

Average: 1) ?? 2) ?? 3) ??

Good: 1) ?? 2) ?? 3) ??

Excellent: 1) ?? 2) ?? 3) ??

Great: 1) ?? 2) ?? 3) ??


Just so I can understand... your point.
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These are some of the bowlers I could think of off the top of my head:

Mediocre: 1) Kallis 2) Vaas 3) Kapil

Average: Brett Lee, Morne Morkel.

Good: Gillespie, Ntini, Darren Gough, McDermott.

Excellent: Walsh, Pollock.

Great: McGrath, Wasim, Waqar, Ambrose, Imran, Donald, Steyn.
 
broad seems to look like he has a bad attitude, never really liked him
 
Beast :akhtar

Haters can continue to hate while Broad picks up his 10 fer and the MOM award :36:
 
Broad can be pretty average at times, but when he is blowing hot he does blow teams away, he has done it on number of occasions now!!

You gota give him credit for bowling well here. Cant take that off him!!

Plus I think he is a much improved bowler then he ever was before. He is set to play for England for next 5-7 years atleast!!

Possibly could captain the test side also!!
 
Pace, accuracy, movement. Broady really was The New Hadlee today.
 
I do dislike him, but when's he on fire he's great to watch :D
 
If he can improve his action, with his pace he will be lethal.
 
Broad is a fantastic bowler. Has pace, control, swing, seem. Is fit and young and has a great career ahead of him. He seemed petulant and unsportsmanlike a few years ago but appears to have calmed down and shown maturity and intelligence on and off the field. I am particularly impressed at how he quickly learns to adapt his length when the situation demands sometimes in the middle of a spell. He seems to have a big heart and always seems to be giving 100% even when he's being tonked around. He will only improve with age.
 
tanzeel said:
These are some of the bowlers I could think of off the top of my head:

Mediocre: 1) Kallis 2) Vaas 3) Kapil

Average: Brett Lee, Morne Morkel.

Good: Gillespie, Ntini, Darren Gough, McDermott.

Excellent: Walsh, Pollock.

Great: McGrath, Wasim, Waqar, Ambrose, Imran, Donald, Steyn.
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Gough : 32 matches 124 wickets @ 30 (away from home)(average above 35 and 50 against 3 of the 6 major teams)
Kapil : 65 matches 219 wickets @ 26.49 (away from home)(average below 27 against all big teams except England)

and you say Gough is good and Kapil is mediocre...

seriously biased... :facepalm:
 
One of those English cricketers who doesn't have the best record statistically but is a big game player, capable of performing against the strongest opposition, and now and again will turn up out of nowhere with a matchwinning performance. Like Flintoff.
 
James said:
One of those English cricketers who doesn't have the best record statistically but is a big game player, capable of performing against the strongest opposition, and now and again will turn up out of nowhere with a matchwinning performance. Like Flintoff.
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And Broady has lots more fivefers than Flintoff, already.
 
the 36 run over v Yuvraj toughened him up:D he's a great bowler now and it seems like he's been around for ages, yet he's only 27
 
Broad is now on 287 wickets - he should get to 300 this summer. And he's scored in excess of 2200 test runs.
 
Broad's last 200 test wickets were taken at 25 each, strike rate 49. That's in a batter's era.

He is not yet thirty years old and I think his best years are ahead of him.

He's better than Anderson.
 
I rate him higher than Anderson too. Wasn't there a time he was averaging 37?

Completely and utterly unplayable when he's in the mood.
 
Robert said:
Broad's last 200 test wickets were taken at 25 each, strike rate 49. That's in a batter's era.

He is not yet thirty years old and I think his best years are ahead of him.

He's better than Anderson.
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He is all set to take 500 wickets.
 
Congrats Barbs! :kapil

Barbie has these moments of being virtually unplayable, but I'm not convinced about him being better than Jimmeh. Time will tell?
 
Always rated him as the better overall bowler, Anderson superior with the new ball. But they're both nothing more than 'good' bowlers who just play a lot of test cricket.
 
One of the few likeable English cricketers who actually entertains the neutrals with ability and persona.
 
Will probably end up with the most number of Test wickets for a pacer simply due to to the sheer number of Tests England play and his amazing fitness.
 
Better impact bowler then Anderson imo he still has plenty left in the tank, Anderson isn't as good as he use to be; broad can become the leading wicket taker for England in Tests
 
pillionrider said:
One of the few likeable English cricketers who actually entertains the neutrals with ability and persona.
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Let him get a bit more hype and a bit more fans and he will turn into another non likeable great player.
 
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