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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Such a shame that test cricket is subjected to pitches like this!! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakVAus?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakVAus</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/road?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#road</a></p>— Tom Moody (@TomMoodyCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomMoodyCricket/status/1048879617518387200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I would wait till i see how Aussies fare against Pakistani spinners. Bit premature thread [MENTION=8]MIG[/MENTION] bro.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Such a shame that test cricket is subjected to pitches like this!! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakVAus?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakVAus</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/road?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#road</a></p>— Tom Moody (@TomMoodyCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomMoodyCricket/status/1048879617518387200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Would he have said the same had Aussies been 190/1?

It's called test cricket for a reason. You will be subjected to these sort of surfaces too every now and then. This is what evens out things.
 
Agree wholeheartedly, but...

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Big Tom might have jumped the gun.

Always best to wait until the end of the match.
 
Yes and the highways Australia dishes out are excellent advertisements for test cricket.
 
It's a normal UAE pitch easier to bat on for the first 3 days then the spinners come into play on the last 2 days you won't get much for the fast bowlers here.
 
Agree wholeheartedly, but...

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What's your point? Moody hates pitches like this just as much in Oz as he does UAE. He never actually even mentioned location in his post, just that he thinks it's a dud pitch. Instead of considering the merit of his statement (feel free to agree or disagree with him)- you got all defensive and went off on an unrelated tangent.

I happen to agree with him. Dud pitches are killing Test cricket. Maybe this one will receive a warning too- but I'll reserve judgement until I've observed it for a few days.
 
What's your point? Moody hates pitches like this just as much in Oz as he does UAE. He never actually even mentioned location in his post, just that he thinks it's a dud pitch. Instead of considering the merit of his statement (feel free to agree or disagree with him)- you got all defensive and went off on an unrelated tangent.

I happen to agree with him. Dud pitches are killing Test cricket. Maybe this one will receive a warning too- but I'll reserve judgement until I've observed it for a few days.

I took the comment as an Australian criticising UAE pitches, rather than Tom Moody. Maybe jumped the gun. :srt

I don't know Tom Moody's views on this matter in detail, but I agree that such pitches are detrimental to Test cricket. Have never been a fan of playing in UAE due to the nature of the pitches and the non-existent turnout which renders the whole spectacle as a bit of a joke. However, it seems that we're stuck in this situation for the foreseeable future.
 
When batting teams struggle the pitch is bad. When teams score heavily the pitch is then criticised for being to batting friendly. Poor pitch can't win here:uakmal
 
There's only so much you could say about pitches, I feel. You could have a 'terrible' pitch that is, in theory, against the balance of bat and ball but then still have an exciting match which would then point to the teams and their players. But that's just me.
 
To be frank, UAE has been like this all along. Not sure if Tom Moody was sleeping all these years. Even though I feel that the pitch will look much different when Yasir bowls on it. The cricket here escalates pretty quickly on the 4th and 5th day, so this is just a premature reaction.
 
Even if Aussies fail spectacularly on this same pitch, Tom Moody's observation stands true. It just means that Aussies failed even on a road of a pitch.
 
What kind of balance are they trying to find? The pitches for the SA vs. ZIM ODI's (I know it would be different if the same pitches were being used for test matches) are being called out for being bowler friendly/too dangerous while these roads are being criticised for ruining the game.
 
If Hafeez can score 100 on first day against Starc , you can imagine the quality of wicket.
 
Problem with UAE wickets is that, it's complete dead - doesn't offer anything to anyone in the game. Even Abbas survived 6 overs last evening against Strac, because that's the only thing can happen in UAE - even tail-enders can stay for hours with a dead bat.

MoHa played exceptionally well, AUS brought a left arm specialist spinner, which their Management can say better at what level he'll qualify for BD domestics, and PAK won a critical toss - hence we had seen 255 runs in full days, otherwise it would have been a day to forget - 197/2 of 90 overs.

I don't mind absolute batting belters, if it provided some thing to every player - at least a bit of pace & carry for fast bowlers to bend their back or Leggis to fight it for turn & bounce; while batsmen enjoys full value of their shots. Nothing is there for good cricket in UAE, and I am sure by Day 3-4, this wicket will become even more difficult to score or get batsmen out on dead bat.
 
Problem with UAE wickets is that, it's complete dead - doesn't offer anything to anyone in the game. Even Abbas survived 6 overs last evening against Strac, because that's the only thing can happen in UAE - even tail-enders can stay for hours with a dead bat.

MoHa played exceptionally well, AUS brought a left arm specialist spinner, which their Management can say better at what level he'll qualify for BD domestics, and PAK won a critical toss - hence we had seen 255 runs in full days, otherwise it would have been a day to forget - 197/2 of 90 overs.

I don't mind absolute batting belters, if it provided some thing to every player - at least a bit of pace & carry for fast bowlers to bend their back or Leggis to fight it for turn & bounce; while batsmen enjoys full value of their shots. Nothing is there for good cricket in UAE, and <b>I am sure by Day 3-4, this wicket will become even more difficult to score or get batsmen out on dead bat.</b>

So you think a draw is likely?
 
Problem with UAE wickets is that, it's complete dead - doesn't offer anything to anyone in the game. Even Abbas survived 6 overs last evening against Strac, because that's the only thing can happen in UAE - even tail-enders can stay for hours with a dead bat.

MoHa played exceptionally well, AUS brought a left arm specialist spinner, which their Management can say better at what level he'll qualify for BD domestics, and PAK won a critical toss - hence we had seen 255 runs in full days, otherwise it would have been a day to forget - 197/2 of 90 overs.

I don't mind absolute batting belters, if it provided some thing to every player - at least a bit of pace & carry for fast bowlers to bend their back or Leggis to fight it for turn & bounce; while batsmen enjoys full value of their shots. Nothing is there for good cricket in UAE, and I am sure by Day 3-4, this wicket will become even more difficult to score or get batsmen out on dead bat.

Wickets for test matches in the UAE usually begin supporting the spinners around day 4-5, at which time they can wreak havoc. Therefore, let's reserve any more judgement till the end of the match.
 
I wonder why ICC doesn't just ban all grounds in the UAE. This will make grounds officials work extra hard to make lively pitches. Is importing dirt from Pakistan and grass from England allowed?
 
Moody had no problem with these during PSL
 
I agree with Modi here , UAE pitches have destroyed the stats of our fast bowlers as well. Junaid should be averaging well under 30 imo, and wahab in and around 30.
 
UAE pitches are awful. PCB need to do something about them if they are going to continue playing cricket there.
 
I am absolutely astounded by how MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE start talking about UAE pitches on Day 1 of EVERY test match that is played here including our own fans. It is the same story every single time!!

Let's look at records:

Dubai Stadium: Games played = 11, Games Drawn = 2
Abu Dhabi Stadium: Games played = 10, Games Drawn = 4
Sharjah Stadium: Games played = 9, Games Drawn = 1
Total: Games played = 30, Games Drawn = 7

That is not horrible by any means. This includes a couple of very close finishes that could have ended up in a side winning as well.

Anyone who has watched test match cricket in the UAE in the past, should know that the games are very slow from Day 1 to about half way through Day 3. And then all of a sudden the games pick up!

It's a challenge. Yes, it's not the most attractive cricket. But it gives results! It's a challenge on these very slow pitches that give nothing to the bowlers (in the first 2 3 days) and not much to the batsman either (cuz they can't play their strokes) . .

Test cricket has quickened up considerably since the advent of T20 cricket. In most countries around the world the run rates have increased . . Games finish in 4 days!

I find it good to have a different kind of a challenge here in the UAE where its slow, attritional cricket that takes us back . .

At the end of the day you want different challenges in different parts of the world. I think UAE provides a different challenge.

I have issues with ODIs and T20s in the UAE. But I think Test cricket is fine.

And Tom Moody was too quick to point this out. We will know come Day 4 how "boring" the game is.
 
Let's see how these Aussies will play against a rampaging Yasir. I'm sure will see a result and we're not losing this!
 
My point is he knows what is found in the UAE

I think he mentioned these types of pitches generally around the world, not like "these pitches in UAE". But i think he jumped the gun too soon.
 
Let's see how these Aussies will play against a rampaging Yasir. I'm sure will see a result and we're not losing this!

Pakistan winning or drawing does not change the validity of the argument. Pakistan will win on this pitch. But it will also win on a sporting pitch which helps spinners, but provides entertaining cricket.

The number of eyeballs watching this test - in the stadium and on TV - will tell you how poor the pitch os.
 
He should have waited until both teams bat.

This is what test cricket is, a test of how good you are in different, difficult conditions.
 
Doesnt mean he cant criticise it.

We are not talking about a domestic T20 tournament, but a test match. If a pitch needs to be criticised, it should be.

Yep I hereby give him permission to criticize:D
 
Oh here we go an Aussie moaning about asian Pitches..again..Well thee is a solution to this problem, come and play in Pakistan..oh wait I forgot youve boycotted Pakistan. Sorry! stop moaning and start watching more cricket that Pakistan plays in the UAE. Its disgraceful how these so called cricket experts dont go beyond India vs aus or eng vs aus...

Everyone and their dog knows that UAE pitches start off batter friendly and then change over the course of the day..You have to be disciplined and keep things tight. Take your opportunities..im sick of people complaiining about test cricket in the UAE..if you have a problem come to Pakistan and help us, otherwise shut the hell up and continue to toil..
 
Problem with UAE wickets is that, it's complete dead - doesn't offer anything to anyone in the game. Even Abbas survived 6 overs last evening against Strac, because that's the only thing can happen in UAE - even tail-enders can stay for hours with a dead bat.

MoHa played exceptionally well, AUS brought a left arm specialist spinner, which their Management can say better at what level he'll qualify for BD domestics, and PAK won a critical toss - hence we had seen 255 runs in full days, otherwise it would have been a day to forget - 197/2 of 90 overs.

I don't mind absolute batting belters, if it provided some thing to every player - at least a bit of pace & carry for fast bowlers to bend their back or Leggis to fight it for turn & bounce; while batsmen enjoys full value of their shots. Nothing is there for good cricket in UAE, and I am sure by Day 3-4, this wicket will become even more difficult to score or get batsmen out on dead bat.



I find this statement a bit contradictory. If there is weight of runs in first innings and batting becomes difficult, survival by just dead batting is extremely difficult and wickets fall, Usually on day 4 and 5. This has been the way of subcontinental cricket for eons. Particularly uae and Sri Lanka. Only exception are when you have world class operators like sanga, Herath or ajmal et al that can force a result. I think this pitch is fine. You can see the gulf in class between a world class bowler like Lyon and an ordinary one like Holland.
 
Since Jan 2014:

%age of Tests in UAE that have finished as a draw: 13.3%
%age of Tests in Australia that have finished as a draw: 22.7%
 
I love Test cricket, but any time a team scores 500 the match should be immediately abandoned and awarded to the visiting team.

This is a horrible advert for cricket.
 
I love Test cricket, but any time a team scores 500 the match should be immediately abandoned and awarded to the visiting team.

This is a horrible advert for cricket.

If this rule applied, wouldn't the home team declare before 500 and bundle the opposition out for below 500? That rule won't change much.
 
I love Test cricket, but any time a team scores 500 the match should be immediately abandoned and awarded to the visiting team.

This is a horrible advert for cricket.

"shrug of the shoulders"

this is what cricket in the UAE is like. It starts off like this then the pitch deteriorates over time. All conditions cant be tailored to Australia or England. Anyway Aus have to bat too..

Aus need to support cricket "in" Pakistan not continue their unjust boycott..
 
Problem with UAE wickets is that, it's complete dead - doesn't offer anything to anyone in the game. Even Abbas survived 6 overs last evening against Strac, because that's the only thing can happen in UAE - even tail-enders can stay for hours with a dead bat.

MoHa played exceptionally well, AUS brought a left arm specialist spinner, which their Management can say better at what level he'll qualify for BD domestics and PAK won a critical toss - hence we had seen 255 runs in full days, otherwise it would have been a day to forget - 197/2 of 90 overs.

I don't mind absolute batting belters, if it provided some thing to every player - at least a bit of pace & carry for fast bowlers to bend their back or Leggis to fight it for turn & bounce; while batsmen enjoys full value of their shots. Nothing is there for good cricket in UAE, and I am sure by Day 3-4, this wicket will become even more difficult to score or get batsmen out on dead bat.

Savage :)))
 
I find this statement a bit contradictory. If there is weight of runs in first innings and batting becomes difficult, survival by just dead batting is extremely difficult and wickets fall, Usually on day 4 and 5. This has been the way of subcontinental cricket for eons. Particularly uae and Sri Lanka. Only exception are when you have world class operators like sanga, Herath or ajmal et al that can force a result. I think this pitch is fine. You can see the gulf in class between a world class bowler like Lyon and an ordinary one like Holland.

Not really.

If we know, even before the first ball is bowled that the pitch is going to be a road for the first 4 days and then become a raging turner on day 5, then the only thing that matters is who wins the toss and bats first.

In fact, pitches that turn from day 1 (like the pitches in the SA tour of India in 2015) actually are more sporty by comparison because it means that both teams have to bat under the same conditions.

In UAE, whoever bats first gets to play on a road and the team batting last has to play on a dustbowl.
 
if hafeez scores against the likes of starc, I don't have to even say what kind of pitch that would be.

SA on its way and the joker will be opening and producing DUCK eggs again
 
Not really.

If we know, even before the first ball is bowled that the pitch is going to be a road for the first 4 days and then become a raging turner on day 5, then the only thing that matters is who wins the toss and bats first.

In fact, pitches that turn from day 1 (like the pitches in the SA tour of India in 2015) actually are more sporty by comparison because it means that both teams have to bat under the same conditions.

In UAE, whoever bats first gets to play on a road and the team batting last has to play on a dustbowl.

Ah. Then it would mean that the percentage of teams winning the toss, batting first and winning the match is higher than the win percentage of teams batting second. Somehow I’m not sure that is the case. I think in all likelyhood we get long drawn out draws first, then win the toss bat first, followed by a very close batting second team. Often though it’s more to do with type of players you have. For instance I remember junaid and gul bowling first against SL many times and bowling them out on first day. Even against England. Perhaps you’re suggesting that of late the trend has been on the slower side where even fast bowlers don’t get much purchase.

I don’t find that UAE is that different from pitches Of say kandy, columbo, galle, Karachi, Eden gardens.

Although there is a lot of regional variation of pitches within India and test pitches within Pakistan, I think UAE AND Sri Lanka pitches still produce results only that they encourage a different type of attritional test match.
 
With Yasir Shah bowling against Australia gathering men around the bat and also enormous scoreboard pressure to work with, honestly I expect this match to be a rollover. The pitch is unlikely to look so apparently dead when the Aussies come out to bat! Hopefully Moody enjoys it.
 
His right, regardless to what happens in this test match these kind of pitches makes for dull cricket which is not great viewing. How Aus performs on this is irrelevant.
 
Ah. Then it would mean that the percentage of teams winning the toss, batting first and winning the match is higher than the win percentage of teams batting second. Somehow I’m not sure that is the case. I think in all likelyhood we get long drawn out draws first, then win the toss bat first, followed by a very close batting second team. Often though it’s more to do with type of players you have. For instance I remember junaid and gul bowling first against SL many times and bowling them out on first day. Even against England. Perhaps you’re suggesting that of late the trend has been on the slower side where even fast bowlers don’t get much purchase.

I don’t find that UAE is that different from pitches Of say kandy, columbo, galle, Karachi, Eden gardens.

Although there is a lot of regional variation of pitches within India and test pitches within Pakistan, I think UAE AND Sri Lanka pitches still produce results only that they encourage a different type of attritional test match.


But it is!

Batting first in UAE, Pak has won 9 out 15 matches. That is, 60% of matches.

Batting second, Pak has only won 4 out of 12 matches - 33%



Winning the toss and/or batting first is a big factor in UAE.
 
unjustified security concerns are nonsense..

What is justified and what is unjustified will be decided by the players who are actually taking the risk and going to tour a country.

It will not be decided by people like you and I who are sitting in the comfort and security of their homes.
 
for all those who are moaning about the pitch why dont you ask your boards to play in pakistan then.
 
What is justified and what is unjustified will be decided by the players who are actually taking the risk and going to tour a country.

It will not be decided by people like you and I who are sitting in the comfort and security of their homes.

excuse. A board can make a decision to tour or not to tour. Individual players are then asked to make a decision. Australia are not a board that likes to tour Pakistan even in the best of times. Other boards should support Pakistan and not follow a certain country who's sole mission is to rig the South asian game in their favour..
 
Oh here we go an Aussie moaning about asian Pitches..again..Well thee is a solution to this problem, come and play in Pakistan..oh wait I forgot youve boycotted Pakistan. Sorry! stop moaning and start watching more cricket that Pakistan plays in the UAE. Its disgraceful how these so called cricket experts dont go beyond India vs aus or eng vs aus...

Everyone and their dog knows that UAE pitches start off batter friendly and then change over the course of the day..You have to be disciplined and keep things tight. Take your opportunities..im sick of people complaiining about test cricket in the UAE..if you have a problem come to Pakistan and help us, otherwise shut the hell up and continue to toil..

Do you even follow Aussie media? You are aware our media lambast our own pitches more than any when they are duds? Or are you just going off on a favourite rant without information?/ Ah- thought so.
 
Do you even follow Aussie media? You are aware our media lambast our own pitches more than any when they are duds? Or are you just going off on a favourite rant without information?/ Ah- thought so.

yeah yeah bla blah..Aussies will probably make runs and then praise their players etc then the moaning will stop..your hypocrites who love to moan when it suits and then shut up when it doesnt..
 
yeah yeah bla blah..Aussies will probably make runs and then praise their players etc then the moaning will stop..your hypocrites who love to moan when it suits and then shut up when it doesnt..

But haven't we already outlined the state of the pitch BEFORE our players have made runs? How can there be any logic to your position then?

Please explain.
 
Looking at how the spinners have bowled, an innings win for Pakistan is a real possibility. Good turn for Yasir and Bilal in their short spells.
 
At least the spinners have a good chance here compared to the Aussie roads if recent years 🤦🏽*♂️
 
The pitches in UAE are like this and will remain like this.
The match moves very slowly in the first 3 days and speeds up in the last 2. That's how it is in UAE.
 
If AUS doesn’t take 2nd new ball after 112 overs, you have a clue about the wicket!!!
 
Big Tom might have jumped the gun.

Always best to wait until the end of the match.
This.

If Tom Moody waits till the end of the match then he would NOT have anything to tweet thus not get attention. :(( :facepalm:
 
This.

If Tom Moody waits till the end of the match then he would NOT have anything to tweet thus not get attention. :(( :facepalm:

But if you don't criticise Moody until after the match you will also not get attention...
 
But it is!

Batting first in UAE, Pak has won 9 out 15 matches. That is, 60% of matches.

Batting second, Pak has only won 4 out of 12 matches - 33%



Winning the toss and/or batting first is a big factor in UAE.

Ok so how does that compare in the rest of sub continent. Slower pitches of course. Some pitches are really juicy like Lahore or danbulla. In India I think mohali is quite fast.

I think it’s a general rule in some grounds...win first and bat
 
UAE matches are the best. It is the home of thrillers. You'll never see a boring game especially in Tests.
 
Ok so how does that compare in the rest of sub continent. Slower pitches of course. Some pitches are really juicy like Lahore or danbulla. In India I think mohali is quite fast.

I think it’s a general rule in some grounds...win first and bat

I haven't checked for other countries but toss is not a big factor in India.

In the last 10 years, India has won 17 out of 25 matches batting first i.e. 68% and 19 out of 28 matches batting second, which is also 68%. So, in India toss or batting first/second seems to have no bearing on the result.

But in UAE, it makes a big difference. 33% batting second as opposed to 60% batting first.
 
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Now Australia will bat for two days, not a great test wicket but we accomplished our mission. We won't lose, Hafeez scored some runs as ha cannot anywhere else, Sohail too, finally.
 
So the mission was to destroy your bowlers & cement Hafeez back into the team?

To play a dead pitch to defuse one of the all time weakest Australian teams on your home patch?

Seems odd.
 
So the mission was to destroy your bowlers & cement Hafeez back into the team?

To play a dead pitch to defuse one of the all time weakest Australian teams on your home patch?

Seems odd.

The pitches have been exactly like this since we started playing in the UAE.

I don't know why you were expecting them to be different this time around?
 
pitches like Uae are more fun, they make test cricekt more interesting.

After both teams are done with a scoring fest in the first innings, the real game takes place in the second innings. The ball starts spinning and wickets falling. Even chasing down 100 runs on a day 5 becomes damn hard.

In UAE only those can win who have experience and are good captains.
 
LOL flat pitch, right? Always wait till both the teams have batted at least once.
 
test cricket is meant to be a "test" of skill and patients. Nothing wrong with battling hard for 3 days on a UAE wicket to try and earn a chance to open up game on last two days.

Or maybe we should just play all tests on mood dust pitches where is turns square from ball 1 or a green mamba where ball snakes around from balls one? :facepalm:
 
test cricket is meant to be a "test" of skill and patients. Nothing wrong with battling hard for 3 days on a UAE wicket to try and earn a chance to open up game on last two days.

Or maybe we should just play all tests on mood dust pitches where is turns square from ball 1 or a green mamba where ball snakes around from balls one? :facepalm:

Test cricket is also about different type of pitches. So those situations you highlighted are equally good for Test cricket.
 
I am still not sure about these kind of pitches, UAE pitches take too long to deteriorate and do anything for the bowlers which makes batting first an advantage and also if two decent sides in these conditions play its likely to be a draw.
 
Thankfully a road was prepared in Dubai, if it was turning track Australia would be 7 down after following on.
 
As usual the aussies like to mouth off about Pakistan and the sub continent..ub bolo..bakwaas kurtain hain..
 
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