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"Such a shame that Test cricket is subjected to pitches like this" : Tom Moody

Would expect better from experienced guys like Moody.

Talk about jumping the gun.
 
moghul said:
Now Australia will bat for two days, not a great test wicket but we accomplished our mission. We won't lose, Hafeez scored some runs as ha cannot anywhere else, Sohail too, finally.
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Yes that's right, Australia will bat for 2 days. Or did you mean 2 or so sessions.
 
the_outsider said:
I haven't checked for other countries but toss is not a big factor in India.

In the last 10 years, India has won 17 out of 25 matches batting first i.e. 68% and 19 out of 28 matches batting second, which is also 68%. So, in India toss or batting first/second seems to have no bearing on the result.

But in UAE, it makes a big difference. 33% batting second as opposed to 60% batting first.
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yes im not sure we are disagreeing significantly but i have tried to stay away from generalising too much about India and Pakistan due to their geographical size there is a lot of variation. UAE is quite small so srilanka is a better comparison as is Bangladesh. I think if we lump a few grounds together known for their slowness...Dubair, Abu Dhabi and Sharjah alongside Faisalabad, Karachi, Eden Gardens, Dhaka, Colombo, Galle then the trend seems to be to bat first and make a big score upon winning the toss.

So given that such a large sample of pitches may be called slow starters and late exploders..I think its fair to surmise that these can hardly be criticised, just that they command a different style of attritional play with quality spin playing a part. Now if we turn to the current game in Dubai, its far from lifeless. Australia, if they had 2 quality spinners instead of the one would easily have rolled over pakistan on Day 1. I think we just have to appreciate different styles of test cricket. On these slow pitches the matches almost always go into day 5.
 
Hitman said:
Bakwaas in an understatement. 202 All Out :))
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these comments really annoy me..for them its the ashes and well everything else is rubbish..until India became a money making machine you would get the odd series against the windies but the ashes was it..even today they show complete disrespect to us..
 
2320 matches later and still people don’t learn.

Since the advent of Test cricket, the rule has always been that you wait at least until both sides have batted before calling the game, or even until firmly commenting on the pitch.

I have seen sides roll over for under 200 on the first day, and then make great use of the challenging conditions to win the game.

Equally I have seen a team make a pitch look like a pancake for 7 sessions, and then when the other team finally comes out to bat it starts bouncing into jaws and darting round corners.

Silly silly Mr Moody.
 
the Great Khan said:
these comments really annoy me..for them its the ashes and well everything else is rubbish..until India became a money making machine you would get the odd series against the windies but the ashes was it..even today they show complete disrespect to us..
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You know what's's even more annoying? Or should I say even more foolish? It's when Mr. Pundits claim a pitch is dead ever before their team comes out to bat. They have no problem in labeling a pitch a disgrace, yet will go into hiding when their comments backfire.

I bloody guarantee you Mr. Moddy will be nowhere to be found now.
 
Hitman said:
You know what's's even more annoying? Or should I say even more foolish? It's when Mr. Pundits claim a pitch is dead ever before their team comes out to bat. They have no problem in labeling a pitch a disgrace, yet will go into hiding when their comments backfire.

I bloody guarantee you Mr. Moddy will be nowhere to be found now.
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I still think the pitch is too easy to bat on. Its only because Aus are not very good in these conditions we will get a result on this pitch. The wickets in UAE don't deteriorate quick enough like in India or Sri Lanka would (normal pitches that is as now a days they start with a 3rd day pitch in India).
 
Bechara Moody should avoid his Twitter account for a few days :))
 
Saj said:
202 all out - I guess it's a road.
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It's ridicule to judge the wicket from AUS's score. Wicket in UAE is never road, otherwise we would have seen 600 in 5 session. It's just not a good wicket for attractive cricket. And the fact remains - AUS didn't take new ball after 112 overs.
 
MMHS said:
It's ridicule to judge the wicket from AUS's score. Wicket in UAE is never road, otherwise we would have seen 600 in 5 session. It's just not a good wicket for attractive cricket. And the fact remains - AUS didn't take new ball after 112 overs.
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why didnt they do their research? its shocking if they didnt...
 
the Great Khan said:
why didnt they do their research? its shocking if they didnt...
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They definitely did, hence brought 2 finger spinners instead of a leggi, but batsmen & their 2nd spinner is just not good enough to exploit such wickets. Also, Aussies are predominately back foot player, which isn't the best strength against finger spinners on such low & slow wicket.

It's like Asian teams do know what was old WACA like - still often failed to make AUS bat twice, sometimes not even one full innings. Touring Asian sides used to play 1st tour game at Fremental or WACA against WA back-ups, and I have seen them losing by innings - that's just opposite of here, front-foot dominated batsmen groomed on slow, low bouncy tracks can't adjust their game on back foot game so early, when everything is coming at waste level or above from good length.
 
Never judge a pitch until both sides bat. But it is a time honoured tradition for certain nations to disrespect pitches in Asia. It is as if only cricket in their countries counts and our players are lesser beings because of our home conditions. Someone like Boycott has made a career out of ridiculing Asian cricketers, calling all our legends flat track specialists while making 1000 U-turns to defend the shambolic record of Western batsmen in our so called easy conditions. Funny thing is they also disrespect our bowlers, if our pitches are flat then give extra credit to our bowlers for consistently taking 20 wickets. But no, they reverse their logic and say our spinners are rank turner specialists, our quicks are HTBs etc.
 
Pitches in India this decade have produced result in 85-90% of matches, same in Sri Lanka. UAE has had like 7 draws and 25 decisive matches. Australia has boring pitches where 25-30% of matches are high scoring sleep inducing draws. But no, let us blame Asian curators and its boring cricket culture. The hypocrisy is nauseating.
 
Swashbuckler said:
Never judge a pitch until both sides bat. But it is a time honoured tradition for certain nations to disrespect pitches in Asia. It is as if only cricket in their countries counts and our players are lesser beings because of our home conditions. Someone like Boycott has made a career out of ridiculing Asian cricketers, calling all our legends flat track specialists while making 1000 U-turns to defend the shambolic record of Western batsmen in our so called easy conditions. Funny thing is they also disrespect our bowlers, if our pitches are flat then give extra credit to our bowlers for consistently taking 20 wickets. But no, they reverse their logic and say our spinners are rank turner specialists, our quicks are HTBs etc.
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"never judge a pitch unless your an australian or an englishmen..then its the conniving brown asians who are trying to hoodwink the fair minded upright gentlemen from australia or england.."
 
Some posters here complaining how UAE has destroyed stats of fast-bowlers.

On the other hand Abbas is picking up a 4 wicket haul and schooling everyone from Starc to our own pacers on how to bowl on these wickets.
 
Swashbuckler said:
Pitches in India this decade have produced result in 85-90% of matches, same in Sri Lanka. UAE has had like 7 draws and 25 decisive matches. Australia has boring pitches where 25-30% of matches are high scoring sleep inducing draws. But no, let us blame Asian curators and its boring cricket culture. The hypocrisy is nauseating.
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The MCG pitch for the England-Australia Boxing Day test has to be one of the worst pitches I have seen in recent memory which rightly got a warning from the ICC. Absolutely nothing for the bowlers from Days 1-5. Yet Australians like Moody have the audacity to complain about Asian pitches. Atleast pitches like these produce results.
 
Maybe instead of talking about Subcontinent team's records in SENA, we should be talking about Western team's records in BIPUS (Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, UAE, Sri Lanka).
 
LOL...he is in hiding. If they coax him out, he will just say these batsmen are pathetic. Watched the highlights and these Aussies never learn how to play in these conditions. Only positive is they seem to have played Yasir well.
 
I dont necessarily agree with the age old argument "until both teams have batted" because skill levels also dictate scorecards at the end of the day. That being said, Moody was wrong because he didnt take into account that a test match pitch changes over 5 days. This pitch was considerably better for batting on day 1, session 1 than it was at the end of day 3. I guess that is the charm of cricket, you get wickets that get dustier and harder to bat on as the game goes and equally you get green tops that flatten out over 5 days (and all sorts of wickets in between)...
 
MMHS said:
It's ridicule to judge the wicket from AUS's score. Wicket in UAE is never road, otherwise we would have seen 600 in 5 session. It's just not a good wicket for attractive cricket. And the fact remains - AUS didn't take new ball after 112 overs.
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Depends what your version of attractive cricket is though. Everyone's idea of attractive cricket is different.
 
Pakistani test team has so much potential. Good pacers and batsmen who can score in tough conditions.

It's a shame we're forced to play in UAE.

PCB should move all our games to England.
 
MMHS said:
It's ridicule to judge the wicket from AUS's score. Wicket in UAE is never road, otherwise we would have seen 600 in 5 session. It's just not a good wicket for attractive cricket. And the fact remains - AUS didn't take new ball after 112 overs.
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Agree with this. If Khawaja (a very poor player of spin) can score 85 that tells what you need to know about this SC wicket compared to the other ones in Asia let alone the rest of the world.

Australia have themselves to blame for dropping the duo Maxwell and Handscomb - who have experience of playing spin in Asia unlike Labuschagne and Travis Head.
 
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I guess tom moody expected a wicket you get in india/sri lanka where its s day 5 surface served up on day 1. The wickets start to take turn and spin here on day 3 as it should. Any test match pitch should be abiut setting up the game on 1st 3 days.
 
Amjid Javed said:
I guess tom moody expected a wicket you get in india/sri lanka where its s day 5 surface served up on day 1. The wickets start to take turn and spin here on day 3 as it should. Any test match pitch should be abiut setting up the game on 1st 3 days.
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If what you are saying is true Kohli and Pujara are the greatest batsmen against spin in the history of the game because they average 60-70 in home tests. Also India must be the greatest batting unit against spin considering the number of 500+ scores we achieve at home. But then some PPers believe Kohli is mediocre on turners, there are others that say Indian batting against spin has regressed. So what is it? Are Indian batsmen FTBs or are Indian spinners rank turner bullies? Certainly can't be both, need to give credit to at least 1 of the disciplines.
 
Swashbuckler said:
If what you are saying is true Kohli and Pujara are the greatest batsmen against spin in the history of the game because they average 60-70 in home tests. Also India must be the greatest batting unit against spin considering the number of 500+ scores we achieve at home. But then some PPers believe Kohli is mediocre on turners, there are others that say Indian batting against spin has regressed. So what is it? Are Indian batsmen FTBs or are Indian spinners rank turner bullies? Certainly can't be both, need to give credit to at least 1 of the disciplines.
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Ha ha ... Good points brother. Definitely can't be both :genius
 
freelance_cricketer said:
I would wait till i see how Aussies fare against Pakistani spinners. Bit premature thread [MENTION=8]MIG[/MENTION] bro.
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freelance_cricketer said:
Would he have said the same had Aussies been 190/1?

It's called test cricket for a reason. You will be subjected to these sort of surfaces too every now and then. This is what evens out things.
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As Bhaijaan predicted, Tommy bro spoke too soon and made himself look really naive.

Test Cricket in UAE is all about patience, patience and patience.
 
BlackShadow said:
Toss indeed plays a vital role in Asia, but I doubt this depleted Aussie side would win even if it wins the toss.
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Agree. This aus side is more weaker teqm thwn i thought. Now i can understand why they avoid touring BD-escaping humiliation :D
 
Nil Dhumrojal said:
Agree. This aus side is more weaker teqm thwn i thought. Now i can understand why they avoid touring BD-escaping humiliation :D
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To be fair to Australia, there aren't a lot of positives to be gained from playing minnows like Bangla...
 
These pitches are terrible for cricket regardless of the eventual outcome. Even underprepared tracks have outcomes. Not sure if that makes them good pitches.

However, this is is definitely better than that rubbish Abu Dhabi wicket which is even slower and lower. And it's not just the pitches alone to be fair. The heat, slow outfields etc. make it worse. No atmosphere, nothing. Sooner cricket moves back to Pakistan, the better it would be for everyone.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
These pitches are terrible for cricket regardless of the eventual outcome. Even underprepared tracks have outcomes. Not sure if that makes them good pitches.

However, this is is definitely better than that rubbish Abu Dhabi wicket which is even slower and lower. And it's not just the pitches alone to be fair. The heat, slow outfields etc. make it worse. No atmosphere, nothing. Sooner cricket moves back to Pakistan, the better it would be for everyone.
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The missing atmosphere is the only issue. Pitch conditions I am not sure: people have been sharing stats about how how average 1st innings score in Dubai is in line with a few Australian grounds.
 
Pete Rose said:
The missing atmosphere is the only issue. Pitch conditions I am not sure: people have been sharing stats about how how average 1st innings score in Dubai is in line with a few Australian grounds.
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But I think, even if the average scores are similar, scoring rates are faster in Australia no? You get to see some attractive strokeplay and there is some incentive for bowlers with ball flying through to the keeper. If at all Pakistan absolutely have to play in the UAE, they should stick to Dubai and Sharjah as test venues.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
These pitches are terrible for cricket regardless of the eventual outcome. Even underprepared tracks have outcomes. Not sure if that makes them good pitches.

However, this is is definitely better than that rubbish Abu Dhabi wicket which is even slower and lower. And it's not just the pitches alone to be fair. The heat, slow outfields etc. make it worse. No atmosphere, nothing. Sooner cricket moves back to Pakistan, the better it would be for everyone.
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Cricket in UAE is harming Pakistani team in general.

This team much better than the way they are playing, be it Tests, ODIs or even T20Is.

PCB should do its best to move to Sri Lanka / BD or England. Even home games in India are better than playing in UAE...
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
Cricket in UAE is harming Pakistani team in general.

This team much better than the way they are playing, be it Tests, ODIs or even T20Is.

PCB should do its best to move to Sri Lanka / BD or England. Even home games in India are better than playing in UAE...
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Pakistan drew in England in 2014 behind numerous centuries, went to Australia and scored tons of runs (highest series aggregates for Pakistan over 20 years), managed to eak out a draw this year in England.
Tell me how we are being objectively hurt in test matches by playing here.
 
It has however highlighted that when the pitch has a bit of rough and turn then even Pakistan are not that good at playing spin. If they had a good spin bowler to partner Lyon this match would be very interesting indeed.
 
Abid Z said:
It has however highlighted that when the pitch has a bit of rough and turn then even Pakistan are not that good at playing spin. If they had a good spin bowler to partner Lyon this match would be very interesting indeed.
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That is because Pakistan are just 8 Test matches in without 15000 Test runs and some brilliant players of spin. With time, we will probably get better players of spin or the same ones will get better at tackling spin.
Lyon is one of the best spinners in the world, you can't just have 2 great spinners in the team at the same time. India are an exception.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
That is because Pakistan are just 8 Test matches in without 15000 Test runs and some brilliant players of spin. With time, we will probably get better players of spin or the same ones will get better at tackling spin.
Lyon is one of the best spinners in the world, you can't just have 2 great spinners in the team at the same time. India are an exception.
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Well I guess that’s one way to view it, that misbah and younis have left a huge void. Another way to look at it is that azhar, hafeez, asad and Sarfraz have been around for many years on the international circuit and were probably brought up playing spin for their domestic teams yet still look rather ordinary against half decent guys like Lyon.

It’s just not this line up though, throughout history ordinary spinners also seem to become world beaters against us. Just thinking about Sydney 2010 and Nathan hauritz
 
4 days gone, 7 wickets standing for the team batting in the 4th innings - nothing wrong with that.
 
Pete Rose said:
Pakistan drew in England in 2014 behind numerous centuries, went to Australia and scored tons of runs (highest series aggregates for Pakistan over 20 years), managed to eak out a draw this year in England.
Tell me how we are being objectively hurt in test matches by playing here.
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True, all that.

Now I ask you, what if Pakistan played all their games in England (for the sake of argument)?
Our batsmen will keep on scoring; Yasir/Shadab will win us games in 4th innings and our pacers will run through sides.

In UAE, it is all about "ugly" cricket. I want to see a bowling attack of Amir (useless in UAE), Hasan (useless in UAE), Abbas and Yasir.

Cricket in UAE was fine from fixing saga until YK/Misbah retirement. Now we must move on: either play in Pakistan or somewhere not UAE. That's my point.
 
Saj said:
202 all out - I guess it's a road.
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I told you bro - never judge a wicket from the score card. These are the worst type of wickets for cricket, which is basically killing PAK's game. Only good thing you can do here is block with dead bat.

I hope, this time you won't put me in my place for some troll refers you again.
 
Super flat pitch. Nothing for pacers and spinners. Even on Day-5, the spin is very minimal. Even Aussie newbies negotiated the spin easily.
 
Not playing in the UAE by choice! It's the best option taking all things into account. Costs can be capped in the UAE, plenty of flights available to and from Pakistan etc...etc..

Unless Australia are fine to play in Pakistan there is no other viable option. Not England, PCB will have to foot a massive bill and the conditions would not favour the batting line up.
 
MMHS said:
I told you bro - never judge a wicket from the score card. These are the worst type of wickets for cricket, which is basically killing PAK's game. Only good thing you can do here is block with dead bat.

I hope, this time you won't put me in my place for some troll refers you again.
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I think the pitch was fine. You have to give credit to teams for battling like Australia just did. For a while on day 5 all three results were possible. That’s as much as you can hope on day 5 anywhere in the world.
 
troodon said:
Super flat pitch. Nothing for pacers and spinners. Even on Day-5, the spin is very minimal. Even Aussie newbies negotiated the spin easily.
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NO - super dead wicket, a shame for cricket. Super flat wicket is in AUS & some cases IND, where you can hit through the line and & get good value for your shots - result is 1500+ runs in 5 days. That CTG wicket where we scored 500+ & 300+ for 5, in reply to SRL's 700+ was another super flat wicket.

UAE is never super flat, just a denying wicket that basically denies everything good in cricket. On a Day 5 Test wicket, 6 of the 8 wickets were LBW ..... and still a team survived 140 overs, for a RR of ~2.56 ; you should be able to connect dots regarding what it's offering to cricket.
 
Abid Z said:
I think the pitch was fine. You have to give credit to teams for battling like Australia just did. For a while on day 5 all three results were possible. That’s as much as you can hope on day 5 anywhere in the world.
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Again, you are judging a wicket by the score card and I am judging from past reference & what actually happened in the middle. If Sarfraz could come out of his fear & set a fielding like last hour for whole of last day, it would have definitely been a nail biter and PAK must have won, but Aussies also should have a slight chance - that doesn't change the fact that this is a disgraceful wicket for cricket, where AUS didn't take new ball after 112 overs.
 
MMHS said:
Again, you are judging a wicket by the score card and I am judging from past reference & what actually happened in the middle. If Sarfraz could come out of his fear & set a fielding like last hour for whole of last day, it would have definitely been a nail biter and PAK must have won, but Aussies also should have a slight chance - that doesn't change the fact that this is a disgraceful wicket for cricket, where AUS didn't take new ball after 112 overs.
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Look just to be clear, this match is televised in uk so I’m watching it. Having been watching cricket for almost 40 years I can safely say the pitch had enough bite and rough to make it interesting on the final day. You are mentioning personnel, tactics and strategy. I think wahab was off colour, abbass is simply a good medium pacer who wouldn’t be in even an English or Indian team but he’s the best we’ve got. Sarfraz is an ordinary captain and wicket keeper. Yasir doesn’t bowl enough varieties and Bilal is new and learning. So with all this in mind, credit to Australia for a great escape but there is nothing wrong with the pitch. Some tactics are questionable
 
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No Aussie is in any position to complain about test cricket pitches, they have some of the flattest on the planet if not the worst for competitive bat v ball.

Anyway, turned out to be a great test match.
 
barah_admi said:
No Aussie is in any position to complain about test cricket pitches, they have some of the flattest on the planet if not the worst for competitive bat v ball.

Anyway, turned out to be a great test match.
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While Australian wickets may not offer anything to spinners, they do have pace and bounce.
 
This match was a tale of two toothless bowling attacks. Indian or even Sri Lankan bowlers would have finished Aussies off inside 4 days here.
 
BlackShadow said:
This match was a tale of two toothless bowling attacks. Indian or even Sri Lankan bowlers would have finished Aussies off inside 4 days here.
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Unless they actually bowl in Test Cricket in the UAE, this is all hypotheticals at this point.

Not denying that they are better bowlers than those currently on display but even the likes of Lyon, Starc, Yasir, have been negated.
 
ManFan said:
Unless they actually bowl in Test Cricket in the UAE, this is all hypotheticals at this point.

Not denying that they are better bowlers than those currently on display but even the likes of Lyon, Starc, Yasir, have been negated.
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Lyon wasn't expected to pose any threat to Pakistani batsmen, got destroyed last time he was in UAE.
Starc too has horrible record in India and UAE, he is no threat here.

Pakistani bowlers on the other hand should have easily taken 20 Aussie wickets. This is one horrible Aussie batting lineup and they were playing with a massive toss disadvantage.
 
34 wickets and it went right down to the wire.

Nothing wrong with the pitch at all.
 
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34 wickets and it went right down to the wire.

Nothing wrong with the pitch at all.
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Have to disagree, pitch was very flat and slow especially on Day 4 and 5 and Pakistan is not really producing fast turning pitches with pace, bounce which you encounter in India to their advantage.
 
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BlackShadow said:
Lyon wasn't expected to pose any threat to Pakistani batsmen, got destroyed last time he was in UAE.
Starc too has horrible record in India and UAE, he is no threat here.

Pakistani bowlers on the other hand should have easily taken 20 Aussie wickets. This is one horrible Aussie batting lineup and they were playing with a massive toss disadvantage.
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Lyon had a great tour of India and a decent one of Sri Lanka.

It's evident that he is not the same bowler he was four years ago as he has had experience touring all around.

Starc averages poorly in India and the UAE but he was expected to play the role of M. Johnson of 2014. Keep things tight and hostile. He bowled decent without luck but not threatening enough as pace will not do you a lot of favors here in the UAE (as Abbas and Siddle have shown).
 
Saj said:
34 wickets and it went right down to the wire.

Nothing wrong with the pitch at all.
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The point is not about the number of wickets. Another 5-10 overs and Pakistan would have won this match. But that would not have made the pitch a good one. Pakistan would have outplayed Aus even on a flat asian pitch. The point is the cricket was unattractive. The nature of the pitch meant that Pakistan despite having 7 wickets in hand and with 250 on board on the 1st day, they could hardly score more than 3 runs per over on the 2nd day.

The pitch did not offer value for shot making nor did it offer any incentive for fast bowlers or spinners. If someone dead batted throughout, the batsman would probably survive. Such cricket does not get eyeballs on TV. Especially in a country like Pakistan, where past cricketers had a certain amount of flair. Such pitches are killing all the flair.

Please read the analysis from [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]. He superbly explains whats wrong with the pitch.
 
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Sidilicious said:
The point is not about the number of wickets. Another 5-10 overs and Pakistan would have won this match. But that would not have made the pitch a good one. Pakistan would have outplayed Aus even on a flat asian pitch. The point is the cricket was unattractive. The nature of the pitch meant that Pakistan despite having 7 wickets in hand and with 250 on board on the 1st day, they could hardly score more than 3 runs per over on the 2nd day.

The pitch did not offer value for shot making nor did it offer any incentive for fast bowlers or spinners. If someone dead batted throughout, the batsman would probably survive. Such cricket does not get eyeballs on TV. Especially in a country like Pakistan, where past cricketers had a certain amount of flair. Such pitches are killing all the flair.

Please read the analysis from [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]. He superbly explains whats wrong with the pitch.
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It depends on what you think attractive cricket is.

To me attractive cricket isn't just the ball flying to the keeper and a scoring rate of 4.
 
Until the 4th Day, Tom Moody was being mocked and trolled for his comment.

Now suddenly, everyone seems to agree with him. :yk
 
Saj said:
It depends on what you think attractive cricket is.

To me attractive cricket isn't just the ball flying to the keeper and a scoring rate of 4.
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But nor is it bowler just bowling line length to contain, and the batsman simply dead batting it.

There is a need for attritional cricket in every test. But that should last for a phase in the match. If attritional cricket is the only cricket available in test, it will get boring.
 
When the ball doesn't even bounce and barely comes onto the bat, and when dead batting is your best chance of scoring runs isn't test cricket. Ntohing in it for the fast bowlers as well. Truly awful pitches, can produce some decent cricket at times but these pitches are not good for test cricket.
 
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