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If aqib really wants to avoid future embarrassment pak needs to pick both in playing 11 enough of so called pace trio pick these 2 spinners and you will see in middle overs both these getting wickets and winning you games.
 
OK...give me your batting line up for Odis ...just want to know how you gonna fit em both?
 
OK...give me your batting line up for Odis ...just want to know how you gonna fit em both?
Well i just said it drop this useless trio play 2 fast bowlers and 2 spinners instead of playing useless naseem harris Shaheen together pick only two of them problem solved.
 
If aqib really wants to avoid future embarrassment pak needs to pick both in playing 11 enough of so called pace trio pick these 2 spinners and you will see in middle overs both these getting wickets and winning you games.
Depends on conditions. In SENA they cannot play together. In UAE and Sri Lanka definitely. In Pakistan, maybe. All depends on team combination.

Pakistan hasn't yet developed a genuine pace all rounder. That limits options. Because you will always need one all rounder to bat at no. 7. That for years has been a spinner (It was Shadab).

If Pakistan has a pace all rounder. They can play him and 2 pacers + 2 spinners. These will be your 5 main bowlers then.
 
Depends on conditions. In SENA they cannot play together. In UAE and Sri Lanka definitely. In Pakistan, maybe. All depends on team combination.

Pakistan hasn't yet developed a genuine pace all rounder. That limits options. Because you will always need one all rounder to bat at no. 7. That for years has been a spinner (It was Shadab).

If Pakistan has a pace all rounder. They can play him and 2 pacers + 2 spinners. These will be your 5 main bowlers then.
Ya bro got your points but from now on pak should take a chance with 2 spinners in line up and stop playing 3 fast bowlers that way you can add amir jamal at number 7 or even khushdil can be handy at number 7
 
Can you think of any potential batters that we should invest in going forward?
Well you have got saim ine his back who will solve half of your problem with batting he won you series in aus and sa so no worries there then you can get fakhar back aswell that will be deadly combination saim and fakhar half of your batting problem solved.
 
Ya bro got your points but from now on pak should take a chance with 2 spinners in line up and stop playing 3 fast bowlers that way you can add amir jamal at number 7 or even khushdil can be handy at number 7
Depends on conditions. In Australia and South Africa where Pakistan won the series. They played 4 pacers and it was needed. In UAE you can play 2 pacers and 3 spinners. Again all depends on conditions. So lets not try to fit everything in a structure. Some flexibility is good. Options are good.
 
Depends on conditions. In Australia and South Africa where Pakistan won the series. They played 4 pacers and it was needed. In UAE you can play 2 pacers and 3 spinners. Again all depends on conditions. So lets not try to fit everything in a structure. Some flexibility is good. Options are good.
Ya good one bro but atleast have these guys in your squad so whenever conditions demand they can play.
 
Can you think of any potential batters that we should invest in going forward?
Saim is the only one for now.

I know what we should keep.

Fakhar, Saim and Agha.

The rest of team should be sacked.
 
Well you have got saim ine his back who will solve half of your problem with batting he won you series in aus and sa so no worries there then you can get fakhar back aswell that will be deadly combination saim and fakhar half of your batting problem solved.
Saim alone cant solve the problem.

I think Fakhar will retire due to fitness issues therefore I would not consider him in my plans.
 
You will have 7 batsmen two spinners and two fast bowlers that will do its job.
Commendable. But, I know our selectors will not take a chance. This could work in the sub continent though.

Pity, Shadab has completely lost it as pointed out by R/Man, he was a bowler first and could bat at no 7.

As for a seaming all rounder, no one capable to bat at no 7; A Jamal is at best no 8. As for Faheem ...welll...
 
Why are you against the idea of having 2 spinners in your line up in any conditions most likely they will win you games.

I am not against the idea of having two Warnes bhai.

We can try that also.

I just dont agree that having two spinners will magically help us win games when batsmen are hitting at SR of 50 in ODI.
 
A question for you guys ...why on earth does Afridi come ahead of Naseem?

I know, in the grand scheme of things, its minor, but even Haris can do a better job than him.
 
No both cant be in the team at all..the issue is we cant bat what so ever to have two spinners who cant hold a bat ..compare that with jadeja..axar...santner bracewell..all of them could be opening batsman never mind spinners
 
A question for you guys ...why on earth does Afridi come ahead of Naseem?

I know, in the grand scheme of things, its minor, but even Haris can do a better job than him.

Afridi comes earlier because he is more aggressive (or at least he thinks he is).
 
No both cant be in the team at all..the issue is we cant bat what so ever to have two spinners who cant hold a bat ..compare that with jadeja..axar...santner bracewell..all of them could be opening batsman never mind spinners
I agree. But the point the poster is making is that we shoud try this in sub continent conditions, a, our fast bowlers are crap, b, we might be able to grab some wkts in the middle overs.
All we will be doing is replacing one of the fast bowlers who cant bat with a spinner who cant bat?
 
Thats fair enough if yiu are replacing fast bowlers but balance of a team is v important
 
The way PCB treated and discarded Zafar Gohar from the system was absolutely pathetic and abysmal to say the least.

He could've been our front line spinner by now but instead has taken British citizenship and settled in England playing county cricket for the last 5 years.
 
These 2 should be in the line-up but need to find 7 proper batters, who can play in there roles properly, that would be the best way to fit them in, but I do agree they should both be in the squad for Pak.
 
Depends on the pitch.

But they should be developing at least two specialist spinners by keeping them in the squad. This can be Abrar and Sufiyan or someone else.

One of the bigger issues for Pakistan is the lack of quality all-rounders which hasn't been an issue before. They are used to having someone like Hafeez, Afridi, Razzaq in the side to balance things out. Saim is one player who could develop his bowling enough to turn into that kind of player from the current lot.

If possible, they also need to start looking for players like that from the younger batch (i.e. Arafat Minhas)
 
The batting lineup is weak enough as is that going 5 bowlers who all bat like tailenders is not a serious option. Pakistan lack proper pace allrounder which is why for so long, it's been a bowling allrounders Pakistan have relied upon to have that balance.

There is one player who long-term helps Pakistan balance and makes sense long term: Arafat Minhas
He plays a modern style too. I am not sure if he is quite ready yet for International level but to me, that's the guy and the goal should be to have him ready by 2027 WC.
 
Such is the uselessness of Abrar, he needs other spinners to be a little bit more impactful. I have never seen such an utterly useless front line spinner for any country. The guy cannot turn the ball, he cannot get an edge, he cannot get an lbw, his speeds are very limited. He is a gun barrel straight bowler which most countries have gotten the hang off. He is not worth investing in anymore, there is no surprise, mystery factor about his bowling other than the continous faith the selectors have in him.
 
The batting lineup is weak enough as is that going 5 bowlers who all bat like tailenders is not a serious option. Pakistan lack proper pace allrounder which is why for so long, it's been a bowling allrounders Pakistan have relied upon to have that balance.

There is one player who long-term helps Pakistan balance and makes sense long term: Arafat Minhas
He plays a modern style too. I am not sure if he is quite ready yet for International level but to me, that's the guy and the goal should be to have him ready by 2027 WC.

This is very defensive thinking. If 5-6 batsmen at the top cannot do the job, the 7th will not do much either. However having 5 match winning bowling options will make a big difference.

India only plays Pandya because he is quality, otherwise they don't play an allrounder just for the sake of it. India backs its 5 bowlers like Bhumrah, Shami, Siraj, Kuldeep, Jadeja and co to run through teams and the formula works for them.

I would rather Pakistan focus on getting 10 wickets and plays to their strengths i.e. defending totals, bowling the opposition out or restricting the opposition to par totals which will work in favour of our batsmen.
 
This is very defensive thinking. If 5-6 batsmen at the top cannot do the job, the 7th will not do much either. However having 5 match winning bowling options will make a big difference.

India only plays Pandya because he is quality, otherwise they don't play an allrounder just for the sake of it. India backs its 5 bowlers like Bhumrah, Shami, Siraj, Kuldeep, Jadeja and co to run through teams and the formula works for them.

I would rather Pakistan focus on getting 10 wickets and plays to their strengths i.e. defending totals, bowling the opposition out or restricting the opposition to par totals which will work in favour of our batsmen.

Jadeja, Axar and Pandya are all all-rounders, hence why they can afford to play 3 bowlers of tail enders quality while having more than enough batting & bowling depth.

There is no team around the world who plays strictly 5 bowlers that can barely even hold a bat properly. Allrounders are crucial to having a good balance between bat & ball.
 
Jadeja, Axar and Pandya are all all-rounders, hence why they can afford to play 3 bowlers of tail enders quality while having more than enough batting & bowling depth.

There is no team around the world who plays strictly 5 bowlers that can barely even hold a bat properly. Allrounders are crucial to having a good balance between bat & ball.
INdia for years played 7 batsmen and got hurt badly because of that. First time they played with 8 batsmen in world T20, 2024. It made the batting secure and flexible. If you have 4 rank tailenders you cannot afford to have collapse at all. But that will happen. Most of the INdia won tournaments when they had all rounders like 1983 world cup. Even Pakistan won world cup when Akram made 33 in 22 balls being promoted as pinch hitter ahead of Saleem malik, Ijaz ahmed. Moin khan. You need strong lower order.
 
Sufiyan was in your plans and was given a good run and groomed as well but suddenly when the big event came, you took a 360 u-turn and selected guys out of no where. You never needed Faheem or Hasnain in Pakistan and UAE but our selectors are pathetic as usual. No sense.
 
Pakistan need understand that in 2027 WC will be held in SA . They need to build players keeping that in mind.
You need to develop at least 3 fast bowling all rounders for that.

Saim
Fakhar
Babar
Rizwan ( Needs to improve his game or Get another better white ball batting WK )
Aga Salman
Batting all rounder
Batting all rounder
Bowling all rounder
Three good fast bowlers.

This is the template they need to bring and develop.
 
Saim
Maaz (don't think Fakhar can make a comeback)

Bobsy
Riz (both him and Bobsy need to play with better intent)

Agha
Khushdil

Sajid Khan/Faheem (depending on conditions)
Jahandad
Mo Wasim

Naseem/Rauf
Sufyan Muqeem
 
I want babar, shaheen, Rauf out of the side forever

Rizwan shouldn't bat higher than 6. He makes it as he's a decent keeper.

Sufyaan comes in. Find 2 pacers from somewhere
 
Pakistan need to start to integrate players like Sufiyan Muqeem, Arafat Minhas, Faisal Akram into the set up for the long run.

They need training camps and see where they are currently and how they need to improve as it's important. Pakistanis lack in skills in all areas and it's high time that a PCB adminstration takes these ICC tourney failures seriously.
 
Sufyan is another version of Shadab Khan who only bowls short pitch deliveries... we need an all rounder down the order so why not give nawaz another chance?
 
Sufyan is another version of Shadab Khan who only bowls short pitch deliveries... we need an all rounder down the order so why not give nawaz another chance?
How can you say he is a young boy you guys just want to discourage talent like this is just not on no wonder why pak cricket is in a mess
 
Pakistan need understand that in 2027 WC will be held in SA . They need to build players keeping that in mind.
You need to develop at least 3 fast bowling all rounders for that.

Saim
Fakhar
Babar
Rizwan ( Needs to improve his game or Get another better white ball batting WK )
Aga Salman
Batting all rounder
Batting all rounder
Bowling all rounder
Three good fast bowlers.

This is the template they need to bring and develop.
Fakhar will not play 2027, i am sure of that. Three fast bowling allrounders is not easy to develop. I don't know one team that has that combination. At most you have one fast bowling allrounder and couple of batting allrounders who can bowl spin. Only India currently have three genuine allrounders and even there Jadeja is on his last legs.
 
Sufyan is another version of Shadab Khan who only bowls short pitch deliveries... we need an all rounder down the order so why not give nawaz another chance?
I m ok with giving Sufyan more chances but you always get a vibe from a player that he can do something special. Honestly, Sufyan doesn’t look threatening at all when he bowls. He just tries to bowl quicker and in doing so he hardly gets any spin and ends up serving half-crackers for the batters. Faisal Akram is a better option compared to him.
 
The next ODI tournament is in South Africa in October & November which will be the summer in the southern hemisphere, so maybe having two spinners could be the way to go.
 
Saim
Maaz (don't think Fakhar can make a comeback)

Bobsy
Riz (both him and Bobsy need to play with better intent)

Agha
Khushdil

Sajid Khan/Faheem (depending on conditions)
Jahandad
Mo Wasim

Naseem/Rauf
Sufyan Muqeem
Your tail (in other words all no 9s) start at no 7.
 
Fakhar will not play 2027, i am sure of that. Three fast bowling allrounders is not easy to develop. I don't know one team that has that combination. At most you have one fast bowling allrounder and couple of batting allrounders who can bowl spin. Only India currently have three genuine allrounders and even there Jadeja is on his last legs.

Fakhar will not play ? Then its better Pakistan not go to that tournament.

3 fast bowling allrounders option in the squad , not in playing XI.
Those seam bowling all rounders can be batting as well. Players who can bowl seam overs 4 - 6 overs and can be strong hitters.

Spin all rounders not required , if you play aga salman and Saim ayub.
 
Sufyan is another version of Shadab Khan who only bowls short pitch deliveries... we need an all rounder down the order so why not give nawaz another chance?
Both sufiyan and Faisal Akram( who is even worse) are rubbish tbh. Both awful fielders and genuine no 11 with the bats.
 
Next T20 World Cup is in Sri Lanka/India so would be good to drop one fast bowler and play 2 spinners (out of Sufiyan, Abrar, Faisal) and an allrounder at 7 (Shadab, Arafat). This way, you will have 5 full time bowlers and then another couple of part timers (Saim, Salman).
 
Pakistan need understand that in 2027 WC will be held in SA . They need to build players keeping that in mind.
You need to develop at least 3 fast bowling all rounders for that.

Saim
Fakhar
Babar
Rizwan ( Needs to improve his game or Get another better white ball batting WK )
Aga Salman
Batting all rounder
Batting all rounder
Bowling all rounder
Three good fast bowlers.

This is the template they need to bring and develop.
When I think of an all rounder it would be somebody like Abdul Razzaq in a Pak context.

In an international context perhaps somebody like stoinis or even pandya (in Odis)

The greats are obviously like flintoff, stokes.

Pak have nobody of the caliber of even Razzaq, azhar Mahmood let alone any other names. It’s a tall order to ask for 3. It’s not the emergence of players it’s how you develop them once they are there. I think Pak team has a long way to go before it can field an 11 worthy of an international competition by 2027.
 
Fakhar will not play ? Then its better Pakistan not go to that tournament.

3 fast bowling allrounders option in the squad , not in playing XI.
Those seam bowling all rounders can be batting as well. Players who can bowl seam overs 4 - 6 overs and can be strong hitters.

Spin all rounders not required , if you play aga salman and Saim ayub.
just as I said, there are reports of Fakhar retiring from ODIs.
 
Op seems to think spinners are some magic potion for success. Idk what dream he has had. What are afg spinners doing? Are they trash too?

You seem to think a lad with 7 list A games under his belt is going to be our saviour.

The truth is every batting team is making 300 for fun in Pakistan but our snail batsmen produce more dot balls than runs in powerplay.
 
Sufiyan looked very raw in South Africa. Yes he got wickets but they were lucky wickets he didn’t trouble South Africa at all. Abrar is just about ok. But nowwhere near as good as being made out. The weak spots are the seamers. They are just awful. So when two good spinners are picked off for 1’s and 2’s. That still leaves 30 overs of dross. At 6 or 7 an over that still gains 200 for the opposition. If the spinners go for 4 an over that still is pretty much 300 every time somebody bats against Pak.

No Pak can’t view spinners in isolation. They have to look at a combination of 5 bowlers that collectively restrict an opposition to around 250.
 
With that plan you will have Haris, Naseem, Shaheen + 2 spinners so tail will start from no.7- will that work?
 
As an Indian fan even with inform kohli, Dhawan, Rohit I wanted 8th batsman. Pakistans batting caliber is nowhere close to that. Yet some fans are okay with 5 average batsmen in the back end.
 
Modern ODI cricket doesn't work that way.

India had 3 ATG level betters all averaging 60-65 between 2017-19 and thus they managed to play 2 non batting spinners in XI. And even they pulled the plug on the spin twins for Jadeja the moment they got caught on shirtfront wickets.

You need two bowling allrounders in XI and proper 5-6 options for 50 ovs.

The long tail days or 4 bowlers + part timers strategies of 1990s are long gone
 
As an Indian fan even with inform kohli, Dhawan, Rohit I wanted 8th batsman. Pakistans batting caliber is nowhere close to that. Yet some fans are okay with 5 average batsmen in the back end.
Indian team would have been playing their 90s brand of cricket with your strategy. As a Pakistani I used to love when Ganguly, Sehwag & Robin Singh used to come in to bowl to our batters.
 
With that plan you will have Haris, Naseem, Shaheen + 2 spinners so tail will start from no.7- will that work?
You cannot keep playing those 3 fast bowlers , unless they are match winners.
Australia played Cummins , Starc , hazelwood but cummins and starc are no mug with bat.
 
Pakistan invested on Faisal Akram first when Sufiyan was playing T20s, but then Faisal got dropped after 1 series and Sufiyan was selected for both formats and he did an ok job on those non-responsive pitches.

But then the tournament came and PCB took a 360 degree u-turn and dropped Sufiyan, Abbas, Jahandad as well to bring some old guys in the name of experience who were in the race.

This is why PCb will never do anything big, they are weak, coward and take nonsense decisions.
 
IMO, Abrar is an underrated batsman—better than Afridi. Despite limited opportunities, he has consistently proven his ability to take on bowlers and has even displayed solid technique. Both Naseem and Abrar can be quite handy with the bat.

I also really like Sufiyan. He is an aggressive, wicket-taking left arm spinner who just needs consistent chances. Zimbabwe had no clue how to play him, and he even found success against South Africa. Unfortunately, he was discarded after just one bad game. He looks more threatening than Abrar. Abrar really improved when he was given a long run. Sufiyan is an X factor and I hope he gets more chances and they don't waste his talent.
 
IMO, Abrar is an underrated batsman—better than Afridi. Despite limited opportunities, he has consistently proven his ability to take on bowlers and has even displayed solid technique. Both Naseem and Abrar can be quite handy with the bat.

I also really like Sufiyan. He is an aggressive, wicket-taking left arm spinner who just needs consistent chances. Zimbabwe had no clue how to play him, and he even found success against South Africa. Unfortunately, he was discarded after just one bad game. He looks more threatening than Abrar. Abrar really improved when he was given a long run. Sufiyan is an X factor and I hope he gets more chances and they don't waste his talent.
If Abrar can bat , he should be pushed ahead for a few games to see how good he is. You cannot make players by playing them in nets , it has to be done in the game. That is the place where you develop players.
 
You cannot play both of them is Australia where pitches suit pacers but they really should have played together in Pakistan and UAE or Sri Lanka also. It depends on conditions but you definitely need 2 spinners in the team everytime.
 
OK...give me your batting line up for Odis ...just want to know how you gonna fit em both?
If 7 batters cannot do the scoring then relying on 8th batsman to score a hundred is ridiculous. Why bowler has to pick up the bat and swing, if he takes 3 wickets every match and bowls at 5RPO or less thats a very serious thing in modern day cricket and he has done his job. No need to even bat.

Pakistan lose plot with this search for allrounders and pick bits and pieces players.


Abraar needs to improve a lot to keep his place. He is just simply riding his luck that he debuted before muqim and has more friends.

Shadab khan sufyan muqim and Arafat minhas should be the spinners to go with. Abraar back to domestics to put more revs on the ball.
 
If 7 batters cannot do the scoring then relying on 8th batsman to score a hundred is ridiculous. Why bowler has to pick up the bat and swing, if he takes 3 wickets every match and bowls at 5RPO or less thats a very serious thing in modern day cricket and he has done his job. No need to even bat.

Pakistan lose plot with this search for allrounders and pick bits and pieces players.


Abraar needs to improve a lot to keep his place. He is just simply riding his luck that he debuted before muqim and has more friends.

Shadab khan sufyan muqim and Arafat minhas should be the spinners to go with. Abraar back to domestics to put more revs on the ball.
8 - 11 ?

Even 6 - 11 are not expected to score 100.

But suppose you are 6 down and need 60 off last 10 overs , you need tail to be good enough to do that.
 
8 - 11 ?

Even 6 - 11 are not expected to score 100.

But suppose you are 6 down and need 60 off last 10 overs , you need tail to be good enough to do that.
See today India vs Aus , India lost Kohli the star batter at a crucial time with still 50 odd runs to win...
Champion teams like India have it in them to finish the game... Pakistan with their tail would have bottled it and lost by 10-12 runs..

Pakistan keeps promoting bits and pieces , look at the other teams they have a proper batter who can strike well , rotate singles and take it to a good score and end well..

India against Nzl 2 days ago.. Aus and India today showcases that skill, unfortunately pakistan go for players like TT and KS and end up like a cat ( not cornered tigers lol :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: ), cant even complete 50 overs batting or finish the game while chasing..
 
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See today India vs Aus , India lost Kohli the star batter at a crucial time with still 50 odd runs to win...
Champion teams like India have it in them to finish the game... Pakistan with their tail would have bottled it and lost by 10-12 runs..

Pakistan keeps promoting bits and pieces , look at the other teams they have a proper batter who can strike well , rotate singles and take it to a good score and end well..

India against Nzl 2 days ago.. Aus and India today showcases that skill, unfortunately pakistan go for players like TT and KS and end up like a cat ( not cornered tigers lol :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: ), cant even complete 50 overs batting or finish the game while chasing..

I agree Pakistan would have bottled that chase. The reason is their batsmen do not have mental strength . Lack of skills is there , at the same time mentally also not strong.

Pakistan do not have complete all rounders , they now need to use whatever they have , you have to use whatever resource you have wisely
 
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If Abrar can bat , he should be pushed ahead for a few games to see how good he is. You cannot make players by playing them in nets , it has to be done in the game. That is the place where you develop players.
Abrar Ahmed scored 23* (15) against New Zealand during the tri-nation series, he batted with Naseem Shah to save the Karachi Test against New Zealand in January 2023, when the ball was spinning well, and he batted with Saud Shakeel at Galle in July 2023 against Sri Lanka to allow Saud Shakeel to reach his maiden double hundred.
 
Both The spinners are only positive for Pakistan cricket at this moment.

They can solved Pakistan spin problem in limited over cricket if they groom well.

But Shadab is not going anywhere after becoming VC. Shadab should have not selected for T20 series but Pakistan management have different plans.

:kp
 
If 7 batters cannot do the scoring then relying on 8th batsman to score a hundred is ridiculous. Why bowler has to pick up the bat and swing, if he takes 3 wickets every match and bowls at 5RPO or less thats a very serious thing in modern day cricket and he has done his job. No need to even bat.

Pakistan lose plot with this search for allrounders and pick bits and pieces players.


Abraar needs to improve a lot to keep his place. He is just simply riding his luck that he debuted before muqim and has more friends.

Shadab khan sufyan muqim and Arafat minhas should be the spinners to go with. Abraar back to domestics to put more revs on the ball.
it was the 'laptop selector' whom the Pakistan fans called, Mohammad Wasim, forced Abrar Ahmed in the Test squad against England in 2022, as Babar Azam didn't want to play him in the squad, and even in the first Test, he wasn't given debut, as Zahid Mehmood was preferred to Abrar Ahmed, despite Abrar having a better recent first class record than Zahid Mehmood, and Zahid Mehmood was given debut cap at Rawalpindi Test, Babar gave a lame excuse for this selection saying that Zahid Mehmood had been with the team since a year or two, therefore they gave him the debut at Rawalpindi, where he failed. Abrar was debuted at Multan where he took 11 wickets on test debut, and then Abrar was constantly ignored for white-ball debut despite the spin conditions in India, we didn't give him ODI debut, instead he was given T20I debut in T20I home series against New Zealand in May 2024, and then he wasn't let to play any match in T20I World Cup at USA, where our main spinner Shadab Khan bowled trash, and Abrar finally got ODI debut in November 2024 against Zimbabwe. Mohammad Hafeez in September 2022, had advocated for Abrar's T20I debut on base of his good domestic form, but was ignored, and now you talk about Abrar having friendships, he hasn't played over 10 ODIs, he has played 10 Test matches, and somehow around same number of T20Is, so we can't be too quick to judge him.
 
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