Swabi councillors want Christians to be ‘sweepers’ in hospitals instead of Muslims

[Loralai]

The Swabi district council in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa wants the sweepers hired in the district’s hospitals to be Christian only.

The members of the district council have unanimously adopted a resolution in this regard demanding that all Muslim posted as sweepers be transferred to other posts, such as those of a guard or peon.

The resolution was presented by Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf’s Akmal Khan.


It was supported by various members, including Saeed Inayat Ali, Ajwan Khan Jadood, Jahanzaib Khan, Hasmatullah, Maulana Mohammad Shahabuddin, Amir Nawab, Shafqat Rani and others. No one opposed the resolution.

The resolution also stated that this idea was in accordance with court orders. The document, however, did not specify when a court gave such an order and in what case.

Akmal Khan told SAMAA Digital that he did not remember the date of the court order. Last year, however, the Peshawar High Court passed a verdict in which Muslims working as sweepers in the Bacha Khan Medical Complex were to be transferred to other posts, he said.

Strangely enough, he said that the purpose of the resolution was not to discriminate against Christians.

Human rights lawyer Advocate Mary James Gill told SAMAA Digital that the resolution was in violation of Article 27 of the Constitution. She strongly condemned the move and said not only did it go against Quaid-i-Azam’s vision for the country, but also the basic principles of Islam.

https://www.samaa.tv/news/2019/01/s...-as-sweepers-in-hospitals-instead-of-muslims/

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

In before people start rationalizing and whatabouting the news.

 

[Major]

Banay ga naya paaakissataan

 

[Bewal Express]

Banay ga naya paaakissataan

It's strange that you find time to comment on these regrettable and ludicrous incidents, but can't bring yourself ever to talk about the JIT REPORT on the looting by the Sindh govt headed by people you voted for.

 

[Varun]

In before people start rationalizing and whatabouting the news.

It's strange that you find time to comment on these regrettable and ludicrous incidents, but can't bring yourself ever to talk about the JIT REPORT on the looting by the Sindh govt headed by people you voted for.

Specimen A.

Man, political fan-children in any country in this social media day and age are so funny.

 

[Bewal Express]

Specimen A.

Man, political fan-children in any country in this social media day and age are so funny.

Read my post and stop acting like some intellectual, which are not.

 

[Varun]

Read my post and stop acting like some intellectual, which are not.

I'm not. I'm just a guy lounging around with popcorn.

It isn't hard to simply condemn this and move on, is it?

 

[Bewal Express]

I'm not. I'm just a guy lounging around with popcorn.

It isn't hard to simply condemn this and move on, is it?

I did" regrettable and ludicrous incidents". But [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] joins these conversations very quickly but the small matter​ of billions of dollars stolen in Sindh are not worth commenting on

 

[Loralai]

It's strange that you find time to comment on these regrettable and ludicrous incidents, but can't bring yourself ever to talk about the JIT REPORT on the looting by the Sindh govt headed by people you voted for.

Will you please condemn the fact this discrimination is openly being carried out by PTI?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I would like to know why are Christians associated with sweeper jobs in Pakistan? Is there some religious basis for this? If so, what is it?

 

[JaDed]

I would like to know why are Christians associated with sweeper jobs in Pakistan? Is there some religious basis for this? If so, what is it?

A friend of.mine from Karachi told me Hindus are associated with the same, her family was from defense colony, can't verify the claim unless someone here is from that colony.

 

[Major]

I would like to know why are Christians associated with sweeper jobs in Pakistan? Is there some religious basis for this? If so, what is it?

Cultural thing.

In indian culture the dallits are considered to be the lowest in society, thus they are given such jobs.

To make their position better most dallits converted to Christianity through missionaries.

Now some of these Christian converts stayed in Pakistan. Anyways, in Pakistan all these sanitary jobs are given to christians they are not given any other jobs.

Infact, in pakistan most people refer christians as chooray(garbage pickers). Like here we believe that garbage duty is bestowed on these guys and no one else.

The dallits are now masihs in christianity.

Point is, they changed their religion but they couldnt chanhe their position in society due to our culture

 

[Gilly]

Cultural thing.

In indian culture the dallits are considered to be the lowest in society, thus they are given such jobs.

To make their position better most dallits converted to Christianity through missionaries.

Now some of these Christian converts stayed in Pakistan. Anyways, in Pakistan all these sanitary jobs are given to christians they are not given any other jobs.

Infact, in pakistan most people refer christians as chooray(garbage pickers). Like here we believe that garbage duty is bestowed on these guys and no one else.

The dallits are now masihs in christianity.

Point is, they changed their religion but they couldnt chanhe their position in society due to our culture

Is this not religious bigotry.

 

[Loralai]

Is this not religious bigotry.

pakistan mein khush aamadeed

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Is this not religious bigotry.

It is, but it seems to be a carry over from caste bigotry from old Hindu beliefs. That is why I was asking for the religious justification to know if it happens elsewhere in the Islamic world as that would clear it up.

 

[Bewal Express]

Will you please condemn the fact this discrimination is openly being carried out by PTI?

Yes, I already have. The PTI need to sack these idiots.

 

[last_knight]

I would like to know why are Christians associated with sweeper jobs in Pakistan? Is there some religious basis for this? If so, what is it?

A minority consider these jobs as a "Lesser competition from majority as compared to other jobs". I think it's more or less same across the globe.

 

[Syed1]

Cultural thing.

In indian culture the dallits are considered to be the lowest in society, thus they are given such jobs.

To make their position better most dallits converted to Christianity through missionaries.

Now some of these Christian converts stayed in Pakistan. Anyways, in Pakistan all these sanitary jobs are given to christians they are not given any other jobs.

Infact, in pakistan most people refer christians as chooray(garbage pickers). Like here we believe that garbage duty is bestowed on these guys and no one else.

The dallits are now masihs in christianity.

Point is, they changed their religion but they couldnt chanhe their position in society due to our culture

Most people refer to Christians as chooray? Maybe in the circles you sit in. Don't generalize the whole population.

 

[Major]

Most people refer to Christians as chooray? Maybe in the circles you sit in. Don't generalize the whole population.

Well you should go out more. You would have better idea of the Pakistani society

 

[Loralai]

[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] throughout Punjab I believe they are referred to as choorey meaning sweepers, even in educated circles sadly. Is it different in Khi?

 

[chacha kashmiri]

I’m imagining some lady called Jenny whose husband still wears a kilt and spends his days fishing

Fake news springs to mind or maybe even misinterpretations
It might be because their considered better people with better morals and better parenting skills

 

[Sirris]

Cultural thing.

In indian culture the dallits are considered to be the lowest in society, thus they are given such jobs.

To make their position better most dallits converted to Christianity through missionaries.

Now some of these Christian converts stayed in Pakistan. Anyways, in Pakistan all these sanitary jobs are given to christians they are not given any other jobs.

Infact, in pakistan most people refer christians as chooray(garbage pickers). Like here we believe that garbage duty is bestowed on these guys and no one else.

The dallits are now masihs in christianity.

Point is, they changed their religion but they couldnt chanhe their position in society due to our culture

There is a reason why they haven't been able to change the position yet. Traditionally jobs were associated with families and remained in families especially in a rural society. Like if your father was a goldsmith than most likely your grandfather was a goldsmith too and you will be a goldsmith too. The son of a tailor will grow up to be a tailor. The trade was passed on. With the increase of urbanization and better access to education things are starting to change.

Growing up we also had a christian family in town we used to call if we needed a plumber and everyone associated such services with them. At the same time I also had a christain class mate at a top private school and he was very well accepted in the class and no one told him to go be a plumber or a garbage picker.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] throughout Punjab I believe they are referred to as choorey meaning sweepers, even in educated circles sadly. Is it different in Khi?

I am from Karachi and I've never heard this term.

 

[Major]

There is a reason why they haven't been able to change the position yet. Traditionally jobs were associated with families and remained in families especially in a rural society. Like if your father was a goldsmith than most likely your grandfather was a goldsmith too and you will be a goldsmith too. The son of a tailor will grow up to be a tailor. The trade was passed on. With the increase of urbanization and better access to education things are starting to change.

Growing up we also had a christian family in town we used to call if we needed a plumber and everyone associated such services with them. At the same time I also had a christain class mate at a top private school and he was very well accepted in the class and no one told him to go be a plumber or a garbage picker.

You are right.
But it could be said that the foundation for this has been laid through hinduism. This is why i always believe that cultures hold us back

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am from Karachi and I've never heard this term.

In Punjab chooray used to be a common term for low castes, I know that even though I haven't lived in Pakistan. Even the Indian Punjabis used the term, I can remember one of them at school saying another dark skinned Sikh was a choora in reality, his family had just adopted Sikhism when they came to England.

 

[srh]

I would like to know why are Christians associated with sweeper jobs in Pakistan? Is there some religious basis for this? If so, what is it?

I have the same question. I would assume that sweepers jobs has very little pay and thats why people would not go for those jobs but where is the religious angle? In Islam I dont see any rule that would ask muslims to not get these jobs for religious reasons. In fact in all mosques in west the sweepers are muslims.

 

[srh]

Cultural thing.

In indian culture the dallits are considered to be the lowest in society, thus they are given such jobs.

To make their position better most dallits converted to Christianity through missionaries.

Now some of these Christian converts stayed in Pakistan. Anyways, in Pakistan all these sanitary jobs are given to christians they are not given any other jobs.

Infact, in pakistan most people refer christians as chooray(garbage pickers). Like here we believe that garbage duty is bestowed on these guys and no one else.

The dallits are now masihs in christianity.

Point is, they changed their religion but they couldnt chanhe their position in society due to our culture

Too much generalization I think.

I happened to work in Pakistan (Karachi) briefly long time ago and my employer was KPMG Peat Marwick; the head of company was a guy named Rodney and he was Pakistani Christian; also the receptionist was also a Pakistani Christian girl forgot her name but she was beautiful

 

[troodon]

Are Christians in Pakistan mostly Dalit Hindu converts?

 

[amax]

Are Christians in Pakistan mostly Dalit Hindu converts?

yes more than 90% so in addition to religion there is cast based angle to discrimination as well.

 

[troodon]

yes more than 90% so in addition to religion there is cast based angle to discrimination as well.

That is what I was thinking.

Dalits in India also used to do these kinds of Jobs decades ago. Thankfully, that has changed for them. Now you can see a mix of all castes for garbage disposal work.

Why would Muslims still follow that? They have left Hinduism hundreds of years ago. Why stick to these age old practices?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That is what I was thinking.

Dalits in India also used to do these kinds of Jobs decades ago. Thankfully, that has changed for them. Now you can see a mix of all castes for garbage disposal work.

Why would Muslims still follow that? They have left Hinduism hundreds of years ago. Why stick to these age old practices?

Look at the areas where the practices are still followed, they are mostly illiterate or impoverished. I don't know that much about Swabi in Khyber Pakhtunkwa, but I am guessing it won't be famous for it's universities.

 

[amax]

That is what I was thinking.

Dalits in India also used to do these kinds of Jobs decades ago. Thankfully, that has changed for them. Now you can see a mix of all castes for garbage disposal work.

Why would Muslims still follow that? They have left Hinduism hundreds of years ago. Why stick to these age old practices?

Cast has roots in origin as well, thousands of years of endogamy has assured there are some racial and genetic differences along cast lines. So it is difficult to escape discrimination in villages even after converting. But as people are moving to cities , these boundaries are blurring.

 

[Pakistanian]

That is what I was thinking.

Dalits in India also used to do these kinds of Jobs decades ago. Thankfully, that has changed for them. Now you can see a mix of all castes for garbage disposal work.

Why would Muslims still follow that? They have left Hinduism hundreds of years ago. Why stick to these age old practices?

I think because of the poverty and lack of social mobility the same social structures that have existed for thousands of years have stayed in place.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Even multi-national companies in Pakistan are guilty of doing this.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Even multi-national companies in Pakistan are guilty of doing this.

Multi-nationals are still going to be drawing from the same population for their workforce, so there is probably pressure to maintain the status quo. Pakistan is still a largely very backward country.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Multi-nationals are still going to be drawing from the same population for their workforce, so there is probably pressure to maintain the status quo. Pakistan is still a largely very backward country.

Its not just about drawing from the same population. Its about their lack of knowledge (or criminal complicity) that is indicative of the lack of corporate responsibility and/or criminality.

 

[Major]

hmmm looking back at this thread, people had hard time beleiving that the word chora is used for christians.

and now on the cricket section we people defending the K word used by Sarfraz

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Its not just about drawing from the same population. Its about their lack of knowledge (or criminal complicity) that is indicative of the lack of corporate responsibility and/or criminality.

Multi-national corporate companies probably don't feel it is their job to go into each and every country they set up in, to try and sort out religious or caste politics.

 

[PakLFC]

No doubt Pak has a long way to go when it comes to minority rights. IK can't go around educating everyone 1-2-1. Most of these people in Swabi KPK would have no problem living in progressive western Christian countries at all. There is great anti Christian propaganda in much of Pakistan no doubt about it.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Multi-national corporate companies probably don't feel it is their job to go into each and every country they set up in, to try and sort out religious or caste politics.

NO. Its THEIR job to make sure that THEIR policies are clear against discriminatory practices.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

NO. Its THEIR job to make sure that THEIR policies are clear against discriminatory practices.

Or else what? Who is going to prosecute them if they don't?

 

[Syed1]

hmmm looking back at this thread, people had hard time beleiving that the word chora is used for christians.

and now on the cricket section we people defending the K word used by Sarfraz

LMAO K word


What is the Urdu translation for the color black?

 

[Major]

LMAO K word


What is the Urdu translation for the color black?

whatever it is, what sarfraz said is censored here