Syria war: Israeli fighter jet crashes under Syria fire, military says

[WhenSultansBowled]

An Israeli F-16 fighter jet has crashed amid Syrian anti-aircraft fire after an offensive against Iranian targets in Syria, the Israeli military says.

The two pilots parachuted to safety before the crash in northern Israel. It is believed to be the first time Israel has lost a jet in the Syrian conflict.

Israel was carrying out strikes after the launch of an Iranian drone into Israel. The drone was intercepted.

Syria opened fire after an Israeli act of "aggression", state media said.

Israeli strikes in Syria are not unusual, the BBC's Middle East correspondent Tom Bateman says, but the downing of an Israeli fighter jet marks a serious escalation.

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Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43014081

Hasn't that region suffered enough war already? Start of a fresh new war...

Man I want Natanyahu, Trump, Putin, Al-Assad and the Irani Mullah themselves to come down and settle it.

Instead innocent people are forced to leave their homes, where there forefathers have lived for thousands of years in peace.

 

[carbon11]

There you go

Hope our air chief Marshall is taking note .
How Iran Syria deals with enemies

Maybe our Charlie's can now defend our airspace and project the force outwards to take the fight over the borders instead of taking over civilian land and building villas

 

[KingKhanWC]

Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43014081

Hasn't that region suffered enough war already? Start of a fresh new war...

Man I want Natanyahu, Trump, Putin, Al-Assad and the Irani Mullah themselves to come down and settle it.

Instead innocent people are forced to leave their homes, where there forefathers have lived for thousands of years in peace.

Israel is the aggressor, Syria has the right to defend itself. Good shot by the Syrians, let's hope any more Zionist jets who aim to attack them are send to metal graveyard too.

 

[Syed1]

Israel is the aggressor, Syria has the right to defend itself. Good shot by the Syrians, let's hope any more Zionist jets who aim to attack them are send to metal graveyard too.

The actual story is that the Israeli jet was in pursuit of an Iranian drone that had violated Israeli territory.. and in doing so was shot down by Syrian rebels.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The actual story is that the Israeli jet was in pursuit of an Iranian drone that had violated Israeli territory.. and in doing so was shot down by Syrian rebels.

I know but this means you have to believe established liars and those who invade and attack first(Israel). Also there have been many times when Israel decided to enter Syria and attack. Syria now have high tech anti-aircraft systems given to them by Russia, they will not hold back from now on.

 

[Yossarian]

The actual story is that the Israeli jet was in pursuit of an Iranian drone that had violated Israeli territory.. and in doing so was shot down by Syrian rebels.

You're obviously reading a different story. Israeli jets routinely attack positions inside Syria.

As for the drone, apparently, the drone was already intercepted by Israeli helicopters. Linking the Israeli jets attacking targets inside Syria to the drone interception is simply a cover to make it appear that the jets attacking targets inside Syrian territory was somehow a form of defence.

 

[Saeed]

There you go

Hope our air chief Marshall is taking note .
How Iran Syria deals with enemies

Maybe our Charlie's can now defend our airspace and project the force outwards to take the fight over the borders instead of taking over civilian land and building villas

Lol everyone is violating Syrian airspace, its not even comparable with Pakistan. Few days ago Russian and Iranian backed forces tried to attack the American backed SDF in Deir Ezzor. They got their backsides handed to them and lost 100s of fighters. They are better off bombing hospitals and civilians in East Ghouta and Idlib because atleast U.S. and Israel won’t attack them for killing civilians.

Anyways in response to the crush Israel conducted many more airstrikes, turned the T4 airbase into rubble, observation tower of the base destroyed and some air defense batteries destroyed too. I wonder if the mighty S-300 and S-400 will defend the Syrian sovereignty. Iran and Assad will surely gloat about this jet for months but here is what the Syrian airbase looks like.

 

[Saeed]

I know but this means you have to believe established liars and those who invade and attack first(Israel). Also there have been many times when Israel decided to enter Syria and attack. Syria now have high tech anti-aircraft systems given to them by Russia, they will not hold back from now on.

New Russian anti-aircraft missile system will never be used against Israel, Russia won’t allow it because Putin is also pro-Israel. Read this
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/the-maturing-of-israeli-russian-relations

This jet was likely downed by old anti-craft systems.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

All hail the ayatollah

Maybe we been backing the wrong side on this one


The tombs of all the saints in Damascus including Khaled will be glad about this

 

[KingKhanWC]

New Russian anti-aircraft missile system will never be used against Israel, Russia won’t allow it because Putin is also pro-Israel. Read this
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/the-maturing-of-israeli-russian-relations

This jet was likely downed by old anti-craft systems.

Could have been an S-200 but either way it's Russian made. Russia may say things for diplomatic reasons but knowing Syria's main enemy is Israel it cannot stop them using weapons against them.

 

[Saeed]

Could have been an S-200 but either way it's Russian made. Russia may say things for diplomatic reasons but knowing Syria's main enemy is Israel it cannot stop them using weapons against them.

Russia allows Israel to operate in Syria as long Israel attacks Iranian bases and Iranian backed forces such as Hezbollah and Iraqi Militias in Syria . Just an hour ago Israel attacked khalkhalah airbase, where were the S-300 and S-400? Under current circumstances Russia will never down an Israeli aircraft unless Israel attacks Khmeimim Air Base.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Russia allows Israel to operate in Syria as long Israel attacks Iranian bases and Iranian backed forces such as Hezbollah and Iraqi Militias in Syria . Just an hour ago Israel attacked khalkhalah airbase, where were the S-300 and S-400? Under current circumstances Russia will never down an Israeli aircraft unless Israel attacks Khmeimim Air Base.

Russia cannot dictate to Israel. Unless you actually believe if Russia told Israel not to attack inside Syria, the Zionist regime would actually listen?

I'm not informed regarding this latest attack but it's a fact Russian made weapons have been used by Syria against Israel. Also why would Iran buy such weapons when their main enemy is Israel? Would Russia also dictate to Iran when or not use them?

 

[Saeed]

Russia cannot dictate to Israel. Unless you actually believe if Russia told Israel not to attack inside Syria, the Zionist regime would actually listen?

I'm not informed regarding this latest attack but it's a fact Russian made weapons have been used by Syria against Israel. Also why would Iran buy such weapons when their main enemy is Israel? Would Russia also dictate to Iran when or not use them?

Israel might not listen but if they attack without Russian permission and in mistake hit Russian troops, Russia will be forced to take an action. They will be forced to listen when Russia shots down few of their jets.

All most all weapons Syrian regime has are Russian/Soviet made. I am not saying Regime won’t use old systems against Israel. Old systems are mostly useless against F16 and other jets Israel has. The question is will Russia allow the Syrian regime to use modern missile systems? I really doubt it.

Russia can but they won’t since Russia needs manpower of Iranian backed militias. But if Iran acts without Russian approval Russia is unlikely to defend them from American or Israeli attacks.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Israel might not listen but if they attack without Russian permission and in mistake hit Russian troops, Russia will be forced to take an action. They will be forced to listen when Russia shots down few of their jets.

All most all weapons Syrian regime has are Russian/Soviet made. I am not saying Regime won’t use old systems against Israel. Old systems are mostly useless against F16 and other jets Israel has. The question is will Russia allow the Syrian regime to use modern missile systems? I really doubt it.

Russia can but they won’t since Russia needs manpower of Iranian backed militias. But if Iran acts without Russian approval Russia is unlikely to defend them from American or Israeli attacks.

Turkey shot down a Russian jet, yet the Russians did nothing in return. They will never attack Israel, as attacking Israel is going to war with America which will lead into a global disastour.

Syria was the line in the sand for Russia, its naval base is key to their strategic presence in the region. Russia knows once Syria goes, then it will be Iran and eventually Russia will be very weak.

 

[Saeed]

Turkey shot down a Russian jet, yet the Russians did nothing in return. They will never attack Israel, as attacking Israel is going to war with America which will lead into a global disastour.

Syria was the line in the sand for Russia, its naval base is key to their strategic presence in the region. Russia knows once Syria goes, then it will be Iran and eventually Russia will be very weak.

By attack I don’t mean they will launch attacks inside Israel. I meant that they will shot down Israeli jets next time they enter Syria if Russian bases are attacked by Israel. Russian jet was shotdown over/near Turkey so thats a completely different thing.

 

[Traveller55]

Turkey shot down a Russian jet, yet the Russians did nothing in return. They will never attack Israel, as attacking Israel is going to war with America which will lead into a global disastour.

Syria was the line in the sand for Russia, its naval base is key to their strategic presence in the region. Russia knows once Syria goes, then it will be Iran and eventually Russia will be very weak.

Russian presence in Syria is irrelevant to their interests to Iran.
Russian base in Syria exists for one purpose and one purpose alone : To remind Turkey who its 'mai-baap' is - Russia.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Russian presence in Syria is irrelevant to their interests to Iran.
Russian base in Syria exists for one purpose and one purpose alone : To remind Turkey who its 'mai-baap' is - Russia.

lol. Syria and Iran are very close allies, they have a mutual defence agreement. Russia knows if Syria ended up like Iraq, it would leave Iran open to attack via proxy.

You have no knowledge on many issues and I have no wish to debate with you on this subject.

 

[KingKhanWC]

By attack I don’t mean they will launch attacks inside Israel. I meant that they will shot down Israeli jets next time they enter Syria if Russian bases are attacked by Israel. Russian jet was shotdown over/near Turkey so thats a completely different thing.

Of course they will shoot down Israeli jets, even Syria is doing the same. I can assure you no nation will go to war with Israel, this was my point.

 

[Saeed]

Russian presence in Syria is irrelevant to their interests to Iran.
Russian base in Syria exists for one purpose and one purpose alone : To remind Turkey who its 'mai-baap' is - Russia.

Turkey and Russia has been working quite closely even since Turkey shot down their jet. Astana talks are an example. I doubt they think about their relationship in such childish terms.

 

[Traveller55]

Turkey and Russia has been working quite closely even since Turkey shot down their jet. Astana talks are an example. I doubt they think about their relationship in such childish terms.

The dominance of Russia over Turkey is a historic fact and neither side has forgotten it. ofcourse, its not going to be brought up at every single turn in the road, because it'd be akin to waving nukes around for spitting at each other or name-calling. Cheapens the importance.
However, the only reason the Syrian naval base exists, is to make sure Istanbul can never shut the Bosphorus-Dardanelles to Russians.

 

[Traveller55]

lol. Syria and Iran are very close allies, they have a mutual defence agreement. Russia knows if Syria ended up like Iraq, it would leave Iran open to attack via proxy.

You have no knowledge on many issues and I have no wish to debate with you on this subject.

The Russian base in Syria has existed for LONG before Russia and Iran were 'allies'.
You have zero knowledge of history, which is why you make the silly comments re: Russia, Turkey and all.

And yea,brilliant geo-political observation from you ( I am being sarcastic her).
So Iraq, a neighboring bordering state that has been falling apart for 15 years, hasn't opened Iran to attack 'by proxy'.
But if Iraq's neighbor,Syria, with whom Iran has no border, falls apart, THEN iran is open to proxy war.

Wah wah !!!

 

[saeedhk]

Since the start of the civil war, Israel has attacked targets in Syria more than 50 times and the whole world has been silent including the UN and international media. Good to see Syria finally responding.

Despite being warned multiple times by Russia not to conduct any airstrikes in Syria, Israel has continued to do so. I am sure Russia and Israel have some sort of underhand agreement.

 

[Varun]

Iran is messing with the wrong country.

If this does escalate, Iran will get pulverized by a combination of Israel, Saudi, USA and their cronies.

 

[Madplayer]

Iran is messing with the wrong country.

If this does escalate, Iran will get pulverized by a combination of Israel, Saudi, USA and their cronies.

No country with nukes will ever get pulverised. Forget Iran, Kim jong un has a little fire cracker in his hand and he has scared the world powers. The most they can do is impose more economic sanctions.

 

[Asif khan]

Iran is messing with the wrong country.

If this does escalate, Iran will get pulverized by a combination of Israel, Saudi, USA and their cronies.

There's only so many times one can get beaten up by a bully and not do anything.

 

[Saeed]

There's only so many times one can get beaten up by a bully and not do anything.

In this case its just two bullies have a go at each other so it’s not a big deal. Regime and its allies are happy as if they destroyed the entire airforce of Israel. But the thing is Israeli airstrikes will continue, whole Syria is a wasteland and huge amount of Syrians are sitting in refugee camps. A responsible government wouldn’t be happy under these circumstances. Let’s hope Israel doesn’t destroy more airbases of Regime.

 

[Alam_dar]

In this case its just two bullies have a go at each other so it’s not a big deal. Regime and its allies are happy as if they destroyed the entire airforce of Israel. But the thing is Israeli airstrikes will continue, whole Syria is a wasteland and huge amount of Syrians are sitting in refugee camps. A responsible government wouldn’t be happy under these circumstances. Let’s hope Israel doesn’t destroy more airbases of Regime.

There is only way to stop Israel from destroying the airbases of Syria, and that to shoot down the Israeli fighter jets.

Important thing to note is this that Israeli fighter jets are now limited only to the Israeli air space and only from there they are shooting missiles into Syria. But this way they could cover only 70-80 km of South of Syria.

Therefore, Israel has no chance now to enter the airspace of Syria as it does in case of Lebanon.

Once the remaining pockets of Jihadi terrorists are eliminated, then Syria will reach to that situation where it could also fire missiles to the Israeli airbases (at moment Syria only hit the Israeli fighter jets, but didn't use any surface to surface missiles).

Unfortunately, Saudi Arabia has not fired a single bullet towards Israel since 1948, but Saudi Arabia is very active in supporting Jihadists and destroying Syria and thus serving Israeli jews.

In fact, Saudi jihadies and also ISIS are present along with the border of Israel. But they too like Saudi Arabia have not fired a single bullet towards Israel. For sure these Jihadists and Saudi Arabia and their supporters are pure hypocrites.

 

[Saeed]

There is only way to stop Israel from destroying the airbases of Syria, and that to shoot down the Israeli fighter jets.

Important thing to note is this that Israeli fighter jets are now limited only to the Israeli air space and only from there they are shooting missiles into Syria. But this way they could cover only 70-80 km of South of Syria.

Therefore, Israel has no chance now to enter the airspace of Syria as it does in case of Lebanon.

Once the remaining pockets of Jihadi terrorists are eliminated, then Syria will reach to that situation where it could also fire missiles to the Israeli airbases (at moment Syria only hit the Israeli fighter jets, but didn't use any surface to surface missiles).

Unfortunately, Saudi Arabia has not fired a single bullet towards Israel since 1948, but Saudi Arabia is very active in supporting Jihadists and destroying Syria and thus serving Israeli jews.

In fact, Saudi jihadies and also ISIS are present along with the border of Israel. But they too like Saudi Arabia have not fired a single bullet towards Israel. For sure these Jihadists and Saudi Arabia and their supporters are pure hypocrites.

Most of the destruction is done by Regime, Russian jets and various other air forces involved so please accept reality. There is no point in denying that. Just wondering if you’re a Tankie who thinks all Regime victims are actors? As for who begin the demise of Syria, that has been discussed to death in other threads.

Saudi Jihadis and other Jihadi terrorists are clearly working with Israeli Jews. Its sad that Saudi Jihadis only provides Jihadi terrorists with Tow missiles and some token support to defend themselves from secular Regime. While Regime is backed by Russian jets, regular supplies in shape of Tanks and whatnot. Go figure out how far Hama is from Israeli airspace. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/09/israeli-jets-strike-syrian-military-facility-hama-170907062805950.html

Bump this thread when Secular Regime downs another Israeli jet or destroys an Israeli base. I will do the same when Israel launches more airstrikes.

 

[Saeed]

Saudi jihadies and also ISIS are present along with the border of Israel. But they too like Saudi Arabia have not fired a single bullet towards Israel.For sure these Jihadists and Saudi Arabia and their supporters are pure hypocrites.

I think you’re talking about this pocket(Yarmouk) controlled by Baghdadi’s terrorists.

Here is an example of single bullet.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/isis-fighters-killed-by-israeli-airstrikes-after-fire-exchanged-in-golan-1.5466590
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4972879,00.html

Israel has also helped Egypt in Sinai against ISIS.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/nyt-israel-conducted-over-100-airstrikes-in-sinai-against-local-isis-1.5786828

As for why ISIS doesn’t attack Israel more, as you can see from the map ISIS doesn’t want to fight on two fronts. One front against Rebels and one against Israel. They know if they attack Israel, their days are numberd in Yarmouk pocket. It would be also quite stupid of Rebels to attack Israel while they are fighting ISIS and Regime. Now answer my question when will Regime take care off the ISIS pocket in Damascus?

Here is a conspiracy theory. Why isn’t Israel, Jordan and International coalition against ISIS attacking Yarmouk pocket and finishing it off? If the pocket is finished off it will help the Rebels. Rebels will be able put their manpower and resources on fronts with Regime that is being wasted against ISIS. Does this mean Israel and Coalition is indirectly helping the Regime?

 

[Alam_dar]

Most of the destruction is done by Regime, Russian jets and various other air forces involved so please accept reality. There is no point in denying that. Just wondering if you’re a Tankie who thinks all Regime victims are actors? As for who begin the demise of Syria, that has been discussed to death in other threads.

No government want to bring destruction willingly, but this destruction is the collateral damage as the Jihadies use the civilian population as the human shield.
When Pak Army attacked Taliban in Swat, then this same destruction took place there.

Clearly it were the US plot to brought destruction upon Libya and other Syria in name of Arab Spring, while this same US supports the Bahraini King despite huge protests.

Saudi Jihadis and other Jihadi terrorists are clearly working with Israeli Jews. Its sad that Saudi Jihadis only provides Jihadi terrorists with Tow missiles and some token support to defend themselves from secular Regime. While Regime is backed by Russian jets, regular supplies in shape of Tanks and whatnot.

This is the curse upon the Jihadies. Every one want to use them against Assad, but still no one could trust in these fanatic Jihadies while today they are slaughtering Assad, but tomorrow they will slaughter Saudia itself.

No one want to provide these Jihadies advanced anti air missiles and weapons while these Jihadists have made the blood of Civilians Halal too and surely they would have been destroying even the civilian air crafts in different countries.

So, jihadists have to live with this curse. US and others will keep on using them for their dirty work of weakening the Assad government, but in no way US want these crazy Jihadists ever to come in power in Syria.

While Saudi Arab is Jahil that it could not even make a single missile itself, and it uses all the US weapons.

Go figure out how far Hama is from Israeli airspace. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/09/israeli-jets-strike-syrian-military-facility-hama-170907062805950.html

Israel did this attack in Hama in 2017.

But after the Israeli F.-16 got hit, Israel didn't have the courage to penetrate in the Syrian airspace. After this incident, Israeli jets stayed in the Israeli airspace and only from there they launched the missiles, which got the maximum range which covered only the south Syria.

Bump this thread when Secular Regime downs another Israeli jet or destroys an Israeli base. I will do the same when Israel launches more airstrikes.

Do it when Israel attacks in North Syria, using the Syrian airspace.
It may be Israel will use the Lebanon airspace, but for surely this time Assad Gov will resist and launch anti air missiles, which they were not able to do earlier.

 

[Alam_dar]

I think you’re talking about this pocket(Yarmouk) controlled by Baghdadi’s terrorists. View attachment 78808

Here is an example of single bullet.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/isis-fighters-killed-by-israeli-airstrikes-after-fire-exchanged-in-golan-1.5466590
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4972879,00.html

Israel has also helped Egypt in Sinai against ISIS.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/nyt-israel-conducted-over-100-airstrikes-in-sinai-against-local-isis-1.5786828

As for why ISIS doesn’t attack Israel more, as you can see from the map ISIS doesn’t want to fight on two fronts. One front against Rebels and one against Israel. They know if they attack Israel, their days are numberd in Yarmouk pocket. It would be also quite stupid of Rebels to attack Israel while they are fighting ISIS and Regime. Now answer my question when will Regime take care off the ISIS pocket in Damascus?

Here is a conspiracy theory. Why isn’t Israel, Jordan and International coalition against ISIS attacking Yarmouk pocket and finishing it off? If the pocket is finished off it will help the Rebels. Rebels will be able put their manpower and resources on fronts with Regime that is being wasted against ISIS. Does this mean Israel and Coalition is indirectly helping the Regime?

Reality is this that the so called REBELs (Jihadists) are using the US weapons, then how could they ever fire at Israel?
And Israel is not attacking these Rebels, while they are useful donkeys which Israel is using to weaken the Assad government. Strange that some people still support these useful donkeys of Israel.


Same about ISIS. There is hardly any notable fights between ISIS and Israel. There may be some INDIVIDUAL attacks, but never on the official level. ISIS is also among the useful Israeli donkeys in Syria.

 

[Saeed]

No government want to bring destruction willingly, but this destruction is the collateral damage as the Jihadies use the civilian population as the human shield.
When Pak Army attacked Taliban in Swat, then this same destruction took place there.

This is the curse upon the Jihadies. Every one want to use them against Assad, but still no one could trust in these fanatic Jihadies while today they are slaughtering Assad, but tomorrow they will slaughter Saudia itself.

No one want to provide these Jihadies advanced anti air missiles and weapons while these Jihadists have made the blood of Civilians Halal too and surely they would have been destroying even the civilian air crafts in different countries.

So, jihadists have to live with this curse. US and others will keep on using them for their dirty work of weakening the Assad government, but in no way US want these crazy Jihadists ever to come in power in Syria.

While Saudi Arab is Jahil that it could not even make a single missile itself, and it uses all the US weapons.




Israel did this attack in Hama in 2017.

But after the Israeli F.-16 got hit, Israel didn't have the courage to penetrate in the Syrian airspace. After this incident, Israeli jets stayed in the Israeli airspace and only from there they launched the missiles, which got the maximum range which covered only the south Syria.



Do it when Israel attacks in North Syria, using the Syrian airspace.
It may be Israel will use the Lebanon airspace, but for surely this time Assad Gov will resist and launch anti air missiles, which they were not able to do earlier.

It’s no where compareable to Pakistan. Pakistan evacuated most of the population and didn’t send the 4th division to Daraa to massacre unarmed civilians. I can say countless other things but you should already know them being a supporter of a Regime who has created the biggest Humanitarian crisis. I am going to ignore the part about Bahrain part because Regime supporters have no credibility to talk about Bahrain, Yemen and whatever. Whatever you smear Rebels can be applied to those people who rose against their dictators.

Many people in opposition don’t consider Saudis as a friendly country, neither does ISIS. Turkish brothers are a better ally since they have taken in so many refugees and now they are trying tp porotect the people of Idlib. Saudi has only provided token support to rebels to make them puppets.

Last week Russian jet was shot down over Idlib. Russia has gone crazy since then and bombing areas that are nowhere near the frontline.

I know it did this in 2017. I just wanted to show you that they can strike where ever they want to. I will do it when Israel launches more airstrikes. They are getting the job done even if strikes are launched from Israeli airspace. You do that when they destroy Israeli base and shoot down another jet.

 

[Saeed]

Reality is this that the so called REBELs (Jihadists) are using the US weapons, then how could they ever fire at Israel?
And Israel is not attacking these Rebels, while they are useful donkeys which Israel is using to weaken the Assad government. Strange that some people still support these useful donkeys of Israel.


Same about ISIS. There is hardly any notable fights between ISIS and Israel. There may be some INDIVIDUAL attacks, but never on the official level. ISIS is also among the useful Israeli donkeys in Syria.

Yes they are using American weapons and it’s understandable why they ignore Israel. If Israel wanted to help Rebels they would get rid of yarmouk pocket. Then Rebels would launch an offensive on Damascus backed by Israeli airstrikes. Assad Regime is already weak, these days Iran and Russia run things in Syria. Assad will never get the power he had before 2011.

I already explained why there is no fight between ISIS and Israel. I will need a better counter argument than being useful donkeys.

 

[Alam_dar]

It’s no where compareable to Pakistan. Pakistan evacuated most of the population and didn’t send the 4th division to Daraa to massacre unarmed civilians. I can say countless other things but you should already know them being a supporter of a Regime who has created the biggest Humanitarian crisis. I am going to ignore the part about Bahrain part because Regime supporters have no credibility to talk about Bahrain, Yemen and whatever. Whatever you smear Rebels can be applied to those people who rose against their dictators.

Many people in opposition don’t consider Saudis as a friendly country, neither does ISIS. Turkish brothers are a better ally since they have taken in so many refugees and now they are trying tp porotect the people of Idlib. Saudi has only provided token support to rebels to make them puppets.

Last week Russian jet was shot down over Idlib. Russia has gone crazy since then and bombing areas that are nowhere near the frontline.

I know it did this in 2017. I just wanted to show you that they can strike where ever they want to. I will do it when Israel launches more airstrikes. They are getting the job done even if strikes are launched from Israeli airspace. You do that when they destroy Israeli base and shoot down another jet.

It is not comparable to Pakistan while Saudia/Qatar/US/Jordan/UAE/Turkey were not giving Billions of Dollars and American weapons and Logistical support to Taliban. I wonder how you forget this reality. Didn't you see how ISIS were coming in brand new Toyota Vans?

And yes off course, you will ignore the Bahrain Spring, along with US, against all the standards that you mention for attacking Syria and supporting the Jihadists there. There is no other word for that other than "Double Standards".

And Sultan Erdogan was the one who provided the logistic support to the Jihadists all over the world, and let them enter into Syria while he wanted to expand his so called caliphate to the parts of Syria and also to the parts of Iraq. And this same Sultan Erdogan was supporting ISIS with Oil export till the time ISIS was fighting against Assad and not the Turkish backed FSA.


And lately Israeli missiles are also being intercepted, which was not done in the past.

Conclusion is this that so called Sultan Erdogan, so called Khadime Harmain Shareefain, and all of their supported Jihadists, all of them are partners of Israel and have not shot a single bullet against Israel. But people come here and consider themselves to be the champion of Islam by criticizing Assad who at least showed resistance against Israel.

 

[Alam_dar]

Yes they are using American weapons and it’s understandable why they ignore Israel.

Why then they don't comprehend that this fact is making them useful donkeys for Israel.
Why then they still want to fight the Israeli war with the US weapons against Assad?
Why then they don't realise that neither US nor Israel want to see these Jihadist useful donkeys ruling over Syria, but they only want to use them till they are useful in weakening the Assad government.

The stupidity of the Jihadists and their supporters is the biggest enemy. Even bigger enemy than any US or Israel.

A wise enemy is better than stupid friend.

If Israel wanted to help Rebels they would get rid of yarmouk pocket. Then Rebels would launch an offensive on Damascus backed by Israeli airstrikes. Assad Regime is already weak, these days Iran and Russia run things in Syria. Assad will never get the power he had before 2011.

Are you not able to understand the role of useful donkeys?
It is not in Israel's interest that Jihadies ever come to the power. But Israel want that both Assad and Jihadists keep on fighting and bleeding each other till the time that at end both of them die at the same time, and Israel need not to kill any of them.

I already explained why there is no fight between ISIS and Israel. I will need a better counter argument than being useful donkeys.

There could not be any better argument than useful donkeys, while it reflects the 100% perfect reality.

 

[Saeed]

It is not comparable to Pakistan while Saudia/Qatar/US/Jordan/UAE/Turkey were not giving Billions of Dollars and American weapons and Logistical support to Taliban. I wonder how you forget this reality. Didn't you see how ISIS were coming in brand new Toyota Vans?

And yes off course, you will ignore the Bahrain Spring, along with US, against all the standards that you mention for attacking Syria and supporting the Jihadists there. There is no other word for that other than "Double Standards".

And Sultan Erdogan was the one who provided the logistic support to the Jihadists all over the world, and let them enter into Syria while he wanted to expand his so called caliphate to the parts of Syria and also to the parts of Iraq. And this same Sultan Erdogan was supporting ISIS with Oil export till the time ISIS was fighting against Assad and not the Turkish backed FSA.


And lately Israeli missiles are also being intercepted, which was not done in the past.

Conclusion is this that so called Sultan Erdogan, so called Khadime Harmain Shareefain, and all of their supported Jihadists, all of them are partners of Israel and have not shot a single bullet against Israel. But people come here and consider themselves to be the champion of Islam by criticizing Assad who at least showed resistance against Israel.

ISIS got the Toytas from Iraqi military. Countless Humwees and other American weapons were taken from Iraqi too which are somehow used as evidence to show that America is backing ISIS.

I normally wouldn’t but yes I will ignore whenever Assad Regime supporters bring up Bahrain etc because it actually shows their double standards. Uprising against Saudi backed Regimes is ok but God forbid if people rise against Iranian backed Regimes.

ISIS was also exporting oil to Regime. A French company was delivering cement to ISIS. Unfortunately people do anything for money and resources. Lets hope the people involved are held responsible including Sultan Erdogan.

Good to see. I hope Assad Regime and Israel keep attacking each other. It’s perfectly understandable why Rebels ignore Israel, they are in position to take back what Hafez al Assad gave to Israel. Only Assad would think its a good to attack American backed SDF or Israel. Rebels for now they have to focus on ISIS and then Regime. It would be extremely stupid to provoke Israel.

Sultan Erdogan, Saudis along with their gulf puppets are all talk. They talk big but they have done nothing against Israel. They probably want Israel to deal with Iran before they liberate Quds. I think Assad wants to do the same. He will also gloat about some jet and missiles being intercepted. Meanwhile his country is in really bad shape and Israeli airstrikes will continue. But despite all that Turkey is bigger than Erdogan and they have helped Syrian people greatly.

 

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ISIS got the Toytas from Iraqi military. Countless Humwees and other American weapons were taken from Iraqi too which are somehow used as evidence to show that America is backing ISIS.

I normally wouldn’t but yes I will ignore whenever Assad Regime supporters bring up Bahrain etc because it actually shows their double standards. Uprising against Saudi backed Regimes is ok but God forbid if people rise against Iranian backed Regimes.

ISIS was also exporting oil to Regime. A French company was delivering cement to ISIS. Unfortunately people do anything for money and resources. Lets hope the people involved are held responsible including Sultan Erdogan.

Good to see. I hope Assad Regime and Israel keep attacking each other. It’s perfectly understandable why Rebels ignore Israel, they are in position to take back what Hafez al Assad gave to Israel. Only Assad would think its a good to attack American backed SDF or Israel. Rebels for now they have to focus on ISIS and then Regime. It would be extremely stupid to provoke Israel.

Sultan Erdogan, Saudis along with their gulf puppets are all talk. They talk big but they have done nothing against Israel. They probably want Israel to deal with Iran before they liberate Quds. I think Assad wants to do the same. He will also gloat about some jet and missiles being intercepted. Meanwhile his country is in really bad shape and Israeli airstrikes will continue. But despite all that Turkey is bigger than Erdogan and they have helped Syrian people greatly.

Iraqi Army itself does not have toyota vans, how could then they hand over these Band New vans to ISIS?

We all know how these useful donkeys got the American weapons.


And yes, Assad has no right to stay in Government without the consent of the majority of the Syrian People. There should be elections under the watch of UN.

Surprisingly, Assad and Iran and Russia are ready for such elections in Syria, but these are Rebels/US/Saudia who don't agree to it. They put a pre condition that they will say yes to Elections only if Assad does not participate in it.

Reality is this that US/Rebels/Saudia have no right to put this condition, as it is only the Syrian People who have the right if they want to choose Assad or not.

Reason why US/Rebels don't want Assad in the polls, while majority of Syrian People indeed support Assad. All the polls (even by the enemies of Assad) show these same results.

For example, read here:

Most Syrians back President Assad, but you'd never know from western media
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda

As compared to Assad, opposition is totally divided among Nationalists, salafists, Ikhwanies, ISIS, Kurds. None of them has even a slightest chance to beat Assad in any election.


While in Bahrain, the majority is against the King and want democracy. But neither US nor Saudia nor their supporters utter a single word about any democracy in Bahrain.

This behaviour by Saudia/US and their supporters is called might is right.

 

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Iraqi Army itself does not have toyota vans, how could then they hand over these Band New vans to ISIS?

We all know how these useful donkeys got the American weapons.


And yes, Assad has no right to stay in Government without the consent of the majority of the Syrian People. There should be elections under the watch of UN.

Surprisingly, Assad and Iran and Russia are ready for such elections in Syria, but these are Rebels/US/Saudia who don't agree to it. They put a pre condition that they will say yes to Elections only if Assad does not participate in it.

Reality is this that US/Rebels/Saudia have no right to put this condition, as it is only the Syrian People who have the right if they want to choose Assad or not.

Reason why US/Rebels don't want Assad in the polls, while majority of Syrian People indeed support Assad. All the polls (even by the enemies of Assad) show these same results.

For example, read here:

Most Syrians back President Assad, but you'd never know from western media
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda

As compared to Assad, opposition is totally divided among Nationalists, salafists, Ikhwanies, ISIS, Kurds. None of them has even a slightest chance to beat Assad in any election.


While in Bahrain, the majority is against the King and want democracy. But neither US nor Saudia nor their supporters utter a single word about any democracy in Bahrain.

This behaviour by Saudia/US and their supporters is called might is right.

Probably got it from Iraqi shops or looted from Syrian Rebels after war broke out between ISIS and Rebels in Dec. 2013. This article explains it better.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/us-officials-isis-toyota-trucks/story?id=34266539

Rest of the points are indeed fair. Opposition is divided and it’s one of the main reason they are losing to Assad. ISIS doesn’t count as opposition as they came to Syria from Iraq and they have little to do with initial uprisings.