Taj Mahal Under Threat From Hindu Extremists

[Jadz]

India - ruled by far-right Hindu nationalist and supremacist Narendra Modi - is descending into fascism and Nazism.

The claim that the Taj Mahal was built upon an ancient Hindu Temple is reminiscent of Zionist claims regarding the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.

If Muslims were not so bitterly divided they would never allow historic religious and significant cultural, architectural sites to be threatened by their avowed enemies, nor allow millions to be killed in endless wars supported by Western-armed proxies in the ME.


Open rooms of Taj Mahal to find facts about Hindu idols: Petition in high court

LUCKNOW: A petition filed in the Lucknow bench of the Allahabad high court has sought directives to the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) to open 20 rooms inside the Taj Mahal in Agra to ascertain whether Hindu idols and inscriptions are hidden there.

Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) media in-charge of Ayodhya district, Dr Rajneesh Singh has filed the petition which is yet to come up for hearing. Advocate Rudra Vikram Singh is representing the petitioner in court.

“There is an old controversy related to the Taj Mahal. Around 20 rooms in Taj Mahal are locked and no one is allowed to enter. It is believed that in these rooms there are idols of Hindu gods and scriptures,” said Dr Rajneesh Singh.

“I have filed a petition in high court seeking directives to ASI to open these rooms to ascertain facts. There is no harm in opening these rooms and setting to rest all controversies,” said Singh.

In the plea, the petitioner has sought directives from the court to the state government to constitute a committee that would examine these rooms and look for any evidence related with Hindu idols or scriptures there.

Rajneesh Singh said he has been trying to ascertain facts about the 20 locked rooms of Taj Mahal since 2020 through the Right to Information Act (RTI).

Singh filed an RTI in 2020 with the union ministry of Culture seeking information about the rooms.

“Since 2020, I have been trying to ascertain facts about the locked rooms of Taj Mahal. I had filed an RTI. Replying to the RTI, the union ministry of Culture informed the Central Information Commission (in Delhi) that these rooms were locked due to security reasons,” Singh said.

And no detail was provided about these rooms, he added.

“In the RTI, I had sought details about the locked rooms (what is inside them) and directives to open them,” Singh said.

“When all my efforts failed then I have approached the Lucknow high court seeking directives to the government to open these rooms and constitute a fact-finding committee to find out whether Hindu gods and scriptures are inside them,” he added.

It may be pointed out that several right-wing organisations claim Taj Mahal to be Tejo Mahalaya, a Hindu temple.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...s-petition-in-high-court-101651982898057.html

 

[Realromeo]

Taj Mahal is a wonder of the world, so they won't attack it. Need ego boost for the extremists and it gives them just that.

 

[KingKhanWC]

"It has been said in the petition that the idols of the Hindu deities are locked up behind closed doors."

Even if this is the case, how is this offensive to the deities? Surely an idol of a deity wont suffer wherever it is placed?

Will be interesting to see if the Indian court takes this seriously, as I cant.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

"It has been said in the petition that the idols of the Hindu deities are locked up behind closed doors."

Even if this is the case, how is this offensive to the deities? Surely an idol of a deity wont suffer wherever it is placed?

Will be interesting to see if the Indian court takes this seriously, as I cant.

I am waiting for a fanatic group of fascist andh bhakts of BJP start claiming that 50 million years ago, some Hindu god had this place dedicated for a mandir. So it needs to be turned into one.

 

[offstump]

It would be so epic if these hindu extremists razed the Taj Mahal to the ground. Shoot your self in the face.

 

[Technics 1210]

Hindu extremists ungrateful to Muslims who effectively put India on the map.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Hindu extremists ungrateful to Muslims who effectively put India on the map.

It wasnt the muslims that put India on the map, the British did .


To the OP,

I would be genuinely curious to see what's behind the closed doors and if any Hindu artifacts are found, it should be taken away and stored in a museum whilst the Taj Mahal is left as it is without any harm/damage done it..

 

[IndoorCricket]

Taj Mahal is overrated tbh.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Hinduphobia is pretty obvious in this thread.

Nothing will happen to Taj Mahal. Even Hindu Nationalists know that it is a cash cow for the Government. They make some noise every now and then.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Do you hold the same views about the magnificent cathedrals and palaces built in the UK? We certainly went through some periods of magnificent wealth and pomp during the great days of our empire. I suppose the United States of America could say the same thing, lots of wealth built on the backs of slaves in dem cotton fields.

Why would an Indian Hindu care about the British Cathedrals?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Taj Mahal is symbol of Cruelty..

It was built on the backs of around 22,000 labourers, who were basically slaves. Also, the money spent on the the Taj Mahal was collected from impoverished villagers and shopkeepers in the form of oppressive taxation.

Taj Mahal was built by the blood and sweat of Indian labourers.

I personally don't care about this SHITT MAHAL.

It is still a tourist destination. You may find it trash, but it generates crores of tourism revenue every year for the Central Government.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why would an Indian Hindu care about the British Cathedrals?

Because Britain became very rich during the days of empire where India has been referred to as the jewel in our crown.

 

[Varun]

The Taj Mahal is magnificent, but is out of place in a hopeless state like Uttar Pradesh.

If Shah Jahan had a crystal ball, I'm sure he would have selected a more suitable location.

 

[Jadz]

Hinduphobia is pretty obvious in this thread.

Nothing will happen to Taj Mahal. Even Hindu Nationalists know that it is a cash cow for the Government. They make some noise every now and then.

Actually, this post is about beautiful India being transformed into a fascist State by an extremist, nationalist, supremacist leader and government - it targets minorities, particularly Muslims, and is attempting to demolish and annihilate all evidence of Muslim presence/rule in the country. That, I suggest - with respect to you - is a clear anti-Muslim agenda and your attempt to distract from it does a great disservice to Indians and Hindus.

'From Kerala to Kashmir and from Tripura to Gujarat, India has a vast and rich heritage of Islamic architecture.

INDIA is an enchanting land watered by the streams of compassionate philosophies since ancient times. Flourishing communities of the Islamic, Christian, Zoroastrian and Jewish faiths exist here. The Hindu, Buddhist, Jaina and Sikh faiths were born here. It has a great cosmopolitan heritage of culture and art.
Although Mughal architecture of north India is famous, the fascinating richness of Islamic architectural heritage in other parts of the country is not so well known. The vastness of India's Islamic architectural heritage is unbelievable. India has more beautiful medieval Islamic architectural heritage than any other country. This is a fact which neither Indians nor the rest of the world is fully aware of...

Islam did not come to India from the north as is commonly believed. It came through Arab traders to the Malabar region in Kerala, and Muslims flourished as a trading community there. You can still see traces of that community amongst the Moplas of Kerala, who trace their ancestry to the Arabs...

With the advent of Islam, Arab traders became the carriers of the new faith. The first mosque in India was built at Kodungalloor by the Chera King Cheraman Perumal in A.D. 629, within the lifetime of the Prophet. This is one of the oldest mosques in the world....

In the mountainous State of Kashmir, Islamic architecture was influenced by ancient Hindu and Buddhist traditions. The resultant form was combined with influences from Persia and Turkistan. Wood was used extensively in the mosques and tombs of Kashmir.

India has a vast, living heritage of Islamic architecture. These monuments are a great treasure of India's culture and many of them are recognised as World Heritage Monuments. We see in these the confluence of local talent and inspiration from Iran, Arabia and Central Asia. These mosques, tombs, madrassas, palaces and fortresses are a unique heritage of Islamic architecture....'

https://frontline.thehindu.com/arts-and-culture/article30177137.ece

 

[Jadz]

"It has been said in the petition that the idols of the Hindu deities are locked up behind closed doors."

Even if this is the case, how is this offensive to the deities? Surely an idol of a deity wont suffer wherever it is placed?

Will be interesting to see if the Indian court takes this seriously, as I cant.

Brother, India is in a pretty dire state and only Indians can restore its greatness - but many are in denial about the Modi government and its Hindu extremist agenda.


'Booker Prize winner Arundhati Roy has compared India of today to a plane moving in reverse and claimed that it was "headed for a crash".

She was speaking on Wednesday during the launch of the book Why do you fear my way so much?, a selection of poems and letters by jailed human rights activist G.N. Saibaba.

Ms. Roy said that from spearheading "truly revolutionary movements" in the 1960s for redistribution of wealth and land, the country's leaders were now seeking votes and winning elections by distributing "5 kg rice and 1 kg salt".

“Recently, I asked a pilot friend of mine, ‘Can you fly a plane backwards?’ He laughed out loud. I said this is exactly what is happening here. The leaders of this country are flying the plane in reverse, everything is falling, and we are headed for a crash," said the author of bestselling novels The God of Small Things and The Ministry of Utmost Happiness.

The 62-year-old writer described India as a land of "sophisticated jurisprudence", but the one where laws are applied differently depending on your "caste, class, gender and ethnicity".

"What are we doing here today? We are meeting to talk about a professor who is paralysed 90% and has been in jail for seven years. That is what we are doing. That is enough. We do not have to speak anymore. That is enough to tell you what kind of country we are living in. What shame is this," Ms. Roy said.

Mr. Saibaba, who has over 90% physical disabilities and uses a wheelchair, was sentenced to life imprisonment in 2017 by a sessions court in Maharashtra's Gadchiroli district on the charge of having Maoist links and engaging in activities amounting to "waging war against the country.." '

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...-crash-says-arundhati-roy/article65384014.ece

 

[Wiji]

India - ruled by far-right Hindu nationalist and supremacist Narendra Modi - is descending into fascism and Nazism.

The claim that the Taj Mahal was built upon an ancient Hindu Temple is reminiscent of Zionist claims regarding the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.

If Muslims were not so bitterly divided they would never allow historic religious and significant cultural, architectural sites to be threatened by their avowed enemies, nor allow millions to be killed in endless wars supported by Western-armed proxies in the ME.

[MENTION=30006]Jadz[/MENTION] Were you also disturbed and disappointed when the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul was converted into a mosque by Islamist extremists and opportunists?

 

[Jadz]

[MENTION=30006]Jadz[/MENTION] Were you also disturbed and disappointed when the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul was converted into a mosque by Islamist extremists and opportunists?

Nice attempt at distraction - read the articles posted in this thread and educate yourself.

Note: I do not ordinarily respond to argumentative and confrontational comments that are deliberately designed to create tension, conflict and futile disputes. If you have an anti-Muslim agenda please park yourself elsewhere.

 

[Kriketer]

Unthankful bunch. Moghuls developments still generate them endless cash and yet they can't get over their frustration about anything Muslim related. Moghuls are the ones who brought infrastructure and development to the starved poverty filled sub continent region. They discovered resources and increased trade with many regions around the globe. Its because of them why subcontinent was labeled as sone ke chirya, as they are the ones who excelled in various fields and brought progress. Hindu fascist just need another excuse to take their frustration out on anything Muslim related. They can't digest the fact that Moghuls ruled them for centuries, and somehow think y marginalising Muslims now they will get their aged old revenge somehow lol. Brits ruled them for many centuries and yet they line up to run to their/gora land countries in first beat. Such dramabaz waste of space these BJP Hindu facist fanatics are.

 

[Wiji]

Nice attempt at distraction - read the articles posted in this thread and educate yourself.

Note: I do not ordinarily respond to argumentative and confrontational comments that are deliberately designed to create tension, conflict and futile disputes. If you have an anti-Muslim agenda please park yourself elsewhere.

Hi [MENTION=30006]Jadz[/MENTION]. I did not mean to be confrontational. I was exploring your views and whether you are open to alternative perspectives. I am not sure what you found that caused tension and conflict about my question and why you feel that the Hagia Sophia controversy is futile to discuss in this context.

You started a thread with the title "Taj Mahal Under Threat From Hindu Extremists" and the article that you shared is about a petitioner who wants to unlock some rooms of the Taj Mahal under a somewhat unusual pretext. How would you feel about a similar thread with the title "Hagia Sophia Under Threat from Islamists"? Does one title feel more confrontational and provocative than the other? Is it useful to label one thread as "anti-Islamic" and the other as "anti-Hindu"? What's the point of such labels? Why not engage in a more thoughtful, rational, consistent, and respectful manner?

Please refrain from personal attacks. I take deep offense at being suspected by you of having an "anti-Muslim agenda"--I find this insinuation repulsive actually. This is not a polite, honest, and sincere way of engaging in a thoughtful discussion. I did not attack you personally and I expect you to follow basic etiquette as well.

You are free not to answer my original question of course. But that in of itself is a telling reaction. On the other hand, I would much rather that you engage with ideas rationally rather than with mud-slinging insinuations and ad hominem attacks.

 

[Wiji]

Nice attempt at distraction - read the articles posted in this thread and educate yourself.

In your original post, you made reference to Al-Aqsa mosque. So, why is my reference to Hagia Sophia an "attempt at distraction"?

 

[cricketjoshila]

It is still a tourist destination. You may find it trash, but it generates crores of tourism revenue every year for the Central Government.

How will opening the 22 sealed rooms in the basement affect the tourist value?

Do tourists visit it because it was built by a muslim? If tommorow the rooms are opened and they are empty and its proven to be the masoleum that shahjahan built, how will it affect the tourism? And if those rooms have hindu idols and it is proven to be a hindu temple, how will it affect the tourism?

 

[Major]

Oh plzz plz plzz attack it.
I for one hope they do find idols and they end up demolishing taj mahal.

Taj mahal generates lot of revenue for indian govt. The place is always minting money due to the entrance fee. They even discriminate by charging foreigners more and locals less.

Anyways, while its a magnificent maosoleum, if it gets destroyed it would be a self inflicted wound on them.

Win win...

Even if they find some idols underneath it, no one is gonna come to look at it. Shah jehans other wives are buried there in the pavilion of taj mahal and yet people go there to visit the taj mahal as the main purpose.

 

[Major]

Taj Mahal is overrated tbh.

Depends how you look at it.

You have to consider the technology used that was available back than. You have to appreciate the mathematics and science used. The alignment of the whole thing. The exact measurements.

The marble used itself is magnificent. The way it was polished.

The only thing that sucks about is the grave. Had it been a mosque it would had been wonderful.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nice attempt at distraction - read the articles posted in this thread and educate yourself.

Note: I do not ordinarily respond to argumentative and confrontational comments that are deliberately designed to create tension, conflict and futile disputes. If you have an anti-Muslim agenda please park yourself elsewhere.

He asked a legit question.

Muslims on PP wholeheartedly supported the conversion of Hagia Sofia into a mosque.

But even a petition in a court to open the Taj Mahal basement rooms is supposedly extremism by Hindus and India is descending into Nazism and fascism. Why this discrimination?

 

[Zaz]

Every historic building was built on the back of slaves
All these hindu palaces n buildings werent built by workers being paid a fair wage and great working conditions

Where do you think the money for all that came from?

Nearly every middle age superpower america spain, turkey, uk, portugal et all profited from the demise of others and climbed to the top by using and abusing the weak

So lets not pretend hindu civilisations were any different or that they were just and fair back in the day

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

He asked a legit question.

Muslims on PP wholeheartedly supported the conversion of Hagia Sofia into a mosque.

But even a petition in a court to open the Taj Mahal basement rooms is supposedly extremism by Hindus and India is descending into Nazism and fascism. Why this discrimination?

He didn't ask a legitimate question, he resorted to whataboutery. Thread is about the Taj Mahal in India, if you want to discuss a converted church/mosque in Turkey, start a new thread.

 

[cricketjoshila]

He didn't ask a legitimate question, he resorted to whataboutery. Thread is about the Taj Mahal in India, if you want to discuss a converted church/mosque in Turkey, start a new thread.

A person who supports conversion of Hagia Sofia into a mosque, has no right to question anyone on a petition in a court about taj Mahal.

He just pulled the veil of the hypocrisy.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Please take the Taj down and restore the temple.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A person who supports conversion of Hagia Sofia into a mosque, has no right to question anyone on a petition in a court about taj Mahal.

He just pulled the veil of the hypocrisy.

How do you know that person supports conversion of Hagia Sofia into a mosque? As far as I could see she gave no opinion on that as that was not the topic in discussion. This is precisely why you have dedicated threads in order that you can discuss each case on it's own terms. You are making massive assumptions based on nothing but conjecture.

 

[Thala]

How do you know that person supports conversion of Hagia Sofia into a mosque? As far as I could see she gave no opinion on that as that was not the topic in discussion. This is precisely why you have dedicated threads in order that you can discuss each case on it's own terms. You are making massive assumptions based on nothing but conjecture.

Funny guy you are Mr. Rishwat! Was this precisely dedicated thread in order to bring - magnificent cathedrals and palaces built in the UK?

 

[Major]

If you google the phrase, taj mahl over rated, funny enough you will have indians saying that it is over rated and that flana flana temple deserves more attention.....

 

[cricketjoshila]

https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/1524656796111360006?t=bdhI6yvWZtRJxhgodhW-8Q&s=19

Court has rejected the petition.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Funny guy you are Mr. Rishwat! Was this precisely dedicated thread in order to bring - magnificent cathedrals and palaces built in the UK?

That was directly correlated to the poster saying the Taj Mahal was built on the backs of what were more or less slaves. All magnificent buildings around the world were at that time.

Those criticising the OP are not discussing the subject matter but questioning the poster's motives. Big difference.

 

[Champ_Pal]

How will opening the 22 sealed rooms in the basement affect the tourist value?

Do tourists visit it because it was built by a muslim? If tommorow the rooms are opened and they are empty and its proven to be the masoleum that shahjahan built, how will it affect the tourism? And if those rooms have hindu idols and it is proven to be a hindu temple, how will it affect the tourism?

Hindus can do Havan in Taj Mahal if they can find idols there.

There are hundreds of thousands of temples in India. People should leave Taj Mahal alone.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hindus can do Havan in Taj Mahal if they can find idols there.

There are hundreds of thousands of temples in India. People should leave Taj Mahal alone.

How is the fact who built Taj Mahal and what was is history going to change its tourist value?

The correct history should be known to the people.

 

[Champ_Pal]

How is the fact who built Taj Mahal and what was is history going to change its tourist value?

The correct history should be known to the people.

If it is only about history, then I am all for it. World should know what happened there.
But to convert it back to a Hindu temple makes no sense.

 

[Mamoon]

Hi [MENTION=30006]Jadz[/MENTION]. I did not mean to be confrontational. I was exploring your views and whether you are open to alternative perspectives. I am not sure what you found that caused tension and conflict about my question and why you feel that the Hagia Sophia controversy is futile to discuss in this context.

You started a thread with the title "Taj Mahal Under Threat From Hindu Extremists" and the article that you shared is about a petitioner who wants to unlock some rooms of the Taj Mahal under a somewhat unusual pretext. How would you feel about a similar thread with the title "Hagia Sophia Under Threat from Islamists"? Does one title feel more confrontational and provocative than the other? Is it useful to label one thread as "anti-Islamic" and the other as "anti-Hindu"? What's the point of such labels? Why not engage in a more thoughtful, rational, consistent, and respectful manner?

Please refrain from personal attacks. I take deep offense at being suspected by you of having an "anti-Muslim agenda"--I find this insinuation repulsive actually. This is not a polite, honest, and sincere way of engaging in a thoughtful discussion. I did not attack you personally and I expect you to follow basic etiquette as well.

You are free not to answer my original question of course. But that in of itself is a telling reaction. On the other hand, I would much rather that you engage with ideas rationally rather than with mud-slinging insinuations and ad hominem attacks.

Magnificent post.

Completely exposed the hypocritical stance.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If it is only about history, then I am all for it. World should know what happened there.
But to convert it back to a Hindu temple makes no sense.

History must be known. If Taj Mahal was a hindu temple that was forcibly converted into a masoleum then the false glorification of Shahjahan must stop.

One thing thats accepted by historians is that the place where Taj Mahal stands belonged to Maharaja Jai Singh of Amber. What was built there by him is unknown.

But Jai Singh's grand father, Man Singh had rebuilt the Kashi Vishwanath temple, that was destroyed by muslim invaders before.

 

[Bewal Express]

Couldn't care less. The Hindutuva are cowards, if they are man enough, then knock it down. These fascists need to be exposed and this will expose them even more

 

[cricketjoshila]

Couldn't care less. The Hindutuva are cowards, if they are man enough, then knock it down. These fascists need to be exposed and this will expose them even more

Knock it down? Why? Has it been proven to be an illegal structure?

 

[Technics 1210]

The touching point would be if BJP torch Taj Mahal. It will bring a new meaning to Sati.

 

[Bewal Express]

Knock it down? Why? Has it been proven to be an illegal structure?

Ask your Hindutuva friends not me.

 

[Saj]

Seems to me like some in India don't want any sort of recognition of the Muslim history of the country.

Cannot wipe your history just like that.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Magnificent post.

Completely exposed the hypocritical stance.

The post is a page long essay about the OP, not the subject matter. No surprise that you call it magnificent as you are too afraid to discuss the topic yourself lest it expose your true loyalties.

 

[Zaz]

History must be known. If Taj Mahal was a hindu temple that was forcibly converted into a masoleum then the false glorification of Shahjahan must stop.

One thing thats accepted by historians is that the place where Taj Mahal stands belonged to Maharaja Jai Singh of Amber. What was built there by him is unknown.

But Jai Singh's grand father, Man Singh had rebuilt the Kashi Vishwanath temple, that was destroyed by muslim invaders before.

Wheres the proof if was a temple or remotely something similar?

Dont people or the indian govt have better things to do for their people like build some toilets or provide jobs for them rather than getting them all riled over some temple that may or may not have been there 500 years ago

Fgs Its not like theres a lack of temples in india

 

[Champ_Pal]

History must be known. If Taj Mahal was a hindu temple that was forcibly converted into a masoleum then the false glorification of Shahjahan must stop.

One thing thats accepted by historians is that the place where Taj Mahal stands belonged to Maharaja Jai Singh of Amber. What was built there by him is unknown.

But Jai Singh's grand father, Man Singh had rebuilt the Kashi Vishwanath temple, that was destroyed by muslim invaders before.

I hear that Jai Singh sold that land to Shah Jahan. I see nothing wrong in building Taj Mahal there even if there was an existing temple.

You don't keep demolishing old structures just because that old structure was built upon some other old structure.

I am no fan of Mughals, but Taj Mahal should be left alone. Too much nonsense going on over past which brings nothing to solve the problems of India.

 

[IndoorCricket]

Mysteries are there to be solved. I am invested now in knowing whats present behind the closed doors. Mostly some grand treasure similar to Padmanabhaswamy Temple

 

[cricketjoshila]

Seems to me like some in India don't want any sort of recognition of the Muslim history of the country.

Cannot wipe your history just like that.

Islamic history in India starts when the prophet(,pbuh) was alive. It started in Kerala with Arab traders.

Then comes the history of tyrannical invaders. Just like white colonial tyranny is not glorified in Africa, the same applies to these invaders.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Wheres the proof if was a temple or remotely something similar?

Dont people or the indian govt have better things to do for their people like build some toilets or provide jobs for them rather than getting them all riled over some temple that may or may not have been there 500 years ago

Fgs Its not like theres a lack of temples in india

Badshahnama, the court biography of Shahjahan states that a white mansion of Jai Singh was taken to bury Mumtaz Mahal. A Google will confirm this.

Why is the basement of taj Mahal locked? Why not open the rooms?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I hear that Jai Singh sold that land to Shah Jahan. I see nothing wrong in building Taj Mahal there even if there was an existing temple.

You don't keep demolishing old structures just because that old structure was built upon some other old structure.

I am no fan of Mughals, but Taj Mahal should be left alone. Too much nonsense going on over past which brings nothing to solve the problems of India.

If the emperor asks you for your property, do you have the choice to say no?

 

[Justcrazy]

There is a Hindu temple on the Moon , I hope RSS can fly there and make one as well.

 

[Justcrazy]

I hear that Jai Singh sold that land to Shah Jahan. I see nothing wrong in building Taj Mahal there even if there was an existing temple.

You don't keep demolishing old structures just because that old structure was built upon some other old structure.

I am no fan of Mughals, but Taj Mahal should be left alone. Too much nonsense going on over past which brings nothing to solve the problems of India.

RSS does not have this mentality, their sole goal is to subjugate and tarnish Islam. They suffer from an inferiority complex of being ruled My Muslims for so many years.

When you start worshiping british bootlickers like Sarwakar as nationalists , that shows your mind set.

 

[cric64]

All the rooms should be opened and depending on what is found in there, the next steps should be taken. The good thing is that there is Yogi govt in UP, so I am sure the right thing will be done. So much wrong was done over centuries. BJP will need 25-30 years to put everything in place.

 

[cric64]

There is a Hindu temple on the Moon , I hope RSS can fly there and make one as well.

If it's already a Hindu temple, what is there to be done?

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=30006]Jadz[/MENTION] Were you also disturbed and disappointed when the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul was converted into a mosque by Islamist extremists and opportunists?

This is a lazy weak and poor argument. Hagia Sophia is still the original cathedral building but simply changed into a mosque. I dont support this and many Muslims dont. Do you know something no credible historians dont? When was the Taj a Hindu Temple, just name the Bollywood film.

History must be known. If Taj Mahal was a hindu temple that was forcibly converted into a masoleum then the false glorification of Shahjahan must stop.

One thing thats accepted by historians is that the place where Taj Mahal stands belonged to Maharaja Jai Singh of Amber. What was built there by him is unknown.

But Jai Singh's grand father, Man Singh had rebuilt the Kashi Vishwanath temple, that was destroyed by muslim invaders before.

Maybe because there was nothing?

Either you have evidence there was a Temple present or you dont?

 

[cricketjoshila]

RSS does not have this mentality, their sole goal is to subjugate and tarnish Islam. They suffer from an inferiority complex of being ruled My Muslims for so many years.

When you start worshiping british bootlickers like Sarwakar as nationalists , that shows your mind set.

First of all Islam is about The prophet (pbuh), his teachings and the Quran, or is it about tyrannical muslim invaders and looters and their history of tyranny?

There is no inferiority complex, there is outrage against the glorification of foreign invaders.

What do you know about Savarkar? If i start naming the actual British boot lickers, i am afraid you wont like it. So don't even go there.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is a lazy weak and poor argument. Hagia Sophia is still the original cathedral building but simply changed into a mosque. I dont support this and many Muslims dont. Do you know something no credible historians dont? When was the Taj a Hindu Temple, just name the Bollywood film.



Maybe because there was nothing?

Either you have evidence there was a Temple present or you dont?

The badshahnama of Shahjahan states that the place had a white palace and other buildings. All belonging to Raja Jai Singh of Amber or Amer.

 

[Major]

Islamic history in India starts when the prophet(,pbuh) was alive. It started in Kerala with Arab traders.

Then comes the history of tyrannical invaders. Just like white colonial tyranny is not glorified in Africa, the same applies to these invaders.

After the prophet, islamic history than exists from the sufis that played a vital role in converting the population.

Even today, people visit dargahs for conversion. This is happening eveb after many years since the death of sufis at places like Nizamuddin

 

[maverick85]

What if they pry open the doors and find a shivalingham in there?

 

[Major]

Btw, when my ancestors moved to rawalpindi, they were allocated a house that once belonged to a hindu family. They had left some furniture. In that furniture was one cupboard that had a picture of an idol pasted on it. I had seen it myself being 4th generation.

Now the question is, would the bjp and its supporters try to take away that cupboard?

 

[KingKhanWC]

The badshahnama of Shahjahan states that the place had a white palace and other buildings. All belonging to Raja Jai Singh of Amber or Amer.

Do you have a link to a credible historian? Seems like some myth or legend by the RSS.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Do you have a link to a credible historian? Seems like some myth or legend by the RSS.

Read Agra: Historical and Descriptive by Khan Bahadur Syed Muhammad Latif.

He mentions that the land had mansion built by Man singh, now in possession of his grand son Jai Singh.

 

[KB]

After the prophet, islamic history than exists from the sufis that played a vital role in converting the population.

Even today, people visit dargahs for conversion. This is happening eveb after many years since the death of sufis at places like Nizamuddin

Azfar Moin in his excellent book, The Millennial Sovereign, also showed the extent to which Sufi idioms and ideas inflected Mughal kingship. The Mughal king was projected not only as a political leader dealing with pragmatic, worldly matters, but a spiritual, saintly master sustaining cosmic order. Power was immanent, that is embodied in the ‘special’ person of the king, who was marked by charismatic genealogy and a heavenly mandate. Courtiers and soldiers were tied to the monarch as disciples of a spiritual guide.

Two paintings indicate the importance of the saintly idiom to Mughal kingship.

One well known painting - “Jahangir preferring a Sufi shaikh to kings,” (c. 1625) can be seen here: https://asia.si.edu/object/F1942.15a/. In this painting, the hierarchy is clear. The Sufi figure in the painting (the leader of the Chishti order) is above the kings - the Ottoman Sultan and King James I of England. Jahangir is above them all. The poetry (translated by Azfar Moin) above and below the painting says:

The King of the outer (surat) and inner (ma’ni) domains is, by the grace of God,
Nur al-Din Jahangir ibn Akbar Padishah.
Although outwardly (dar surat) kings stand before him,
Inwardly (dar ma’ni) he always turns his gaze towards dervishes.

The second painting - “A meeting between Shah Jahan and Khizr”, (c. 1640-1660), can be seen here: https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-6212082. The figure robed in green is Khizr (in Arabic al-Khadir means literally ‘the Green One’), the one who is said to have guided Moses. Especially important to many Sufi traditions, Khizr, is said to have consumed the waters of immortality and is a figure bestowed with divine knowledge and spiritual wisdom who is a guide to saints and conquerors alike. In this painting Khizr is offering a drinking bowl (containing the waters of immortality?) to Shah Jahan. Khizr in the painting is depicted as a murshid to Shah Jahan, transmitting spiritual sagacity to the Mughal emperor.

 

[Justcrazy]

First of all Islam is about The prophet (pbuh), his teachings and the Quran, or is it about tyrannical muslim invaders and looters and their history of tyranny?

There is no inferiority complex, there is outrage against the glorification of foreign invaders.

What do you know about Savarkar? If i start naming the actual British boot lickers, i am afraid you wont like it. So don't even go there.

We all know about Sarwakar, RSS has been banned three times by Hindu Governments.

 

[Justcrazy]

What if they pry open the doors and find a shivalingham in there?

Finding and planting are two different things. When Indian police do encounter, we know how things are planted , and the act is carried on.

 

[cricketjoshila]

We all know about Sarwakar, RSS has been banned three times by Hindu Governments.

What hindu government?

What do you know about Savarkar?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Finding and planting are two different things. When Indian police do encounter, we know how things are planted , and the act is carried on.

Who is this we?

 

[the Great Khan]

Can't believe the fascists keep bringing this up. Frankly a world Muslim heritage society should be set up that looks to preserve important monuments like the Taj Mahal. Frankly if the Hindus of India don't want it they should hand it over to the Muslims and all other sites too.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Can't believe the fascists keep bringing this up. Frankly a world Muslim heritage society should be set up that looks to preserve important monuments like the Taj Mahal. Frankly if the Hindus of India don't want it they should hand it over to the Muslims and all other sites too.

Let me be clear, anything inside the sovereign boundaries of India is for us to decide. No one has the right to interfere. Just like muslim majority nations like Turkey change Hagia Sofia to a mosque.

Oh, and shouting fascist fascist doesn't make any one fascist.

 

[the Great Khan]

Let me be clear, anything inside the sovereign boundaries of India is for us to decide. No one has the right to interfere. Just like muslim majority nations like Turkey change Hagia Sofia to a mosque.

Oh, and shouting fascist fascist doesn't make any one fascist.

No but the actions of an individual do make them one. If you touch a stone on the Taj Mahal you should abrogate your right to Muslim heritage sites as clearly your incapable of looking after them. The Taj mahal is a wonder of the world and not some sanghis little play thing. It just shows how narrow minded and petty modern India has become.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No but the actions of an individual do make them one. If you touch a stone on the Taj Mahal you should abrogate your right to Muslim heritage sites as clearly your incapable of looking after them. The Taj mahal is a wonder of the world and not some sanghis little play thing. It just shows how narrow minded and petty modern India has become.

Lol. We can do whatever we want and we dont require the permission of any foreigner. No one had given us any right, so no one can take it. Keep that in your mind.

You guys were given a country in 1947, so what's your obsession with what we do in India?


The court has rejected the petition on Taj mahal. So currently there is nothing on it. But if its 22 basement rooms are opened, and it suggests that it was a hindu structure then the history will have to rewritten.

 

[OldWarHorse]

Meh most Indians dont care, its either those stuck in the past with a chip on their shoulders or those with political motives who keep bringing up this trash.

Nothing to see here, the Taj is untouched and will be visited upon by millions without a care in the world of who did what

 

[DeadlyVenom]

What happens at the Taj Mahal? Is just a tourist spot or is congregational namaz offered within the buildings?

 

[MenInG]

Learn to post in a civilized way and your posts will stay.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What happens at the Taj Mahal? Is just a tourist spot or is congregational namaz offered within the buildings?

Not within the Taj. No.

But namaz is allowed for 2 hours every Friday at the mosque which is within the complex of the taj mahal but away from the main building.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Not within the Taj. No.

But namaz is allowed for 2 hours every Friday at the mosque which is within the complex of the taj mahal but away from the main building.

Then whats the issue?

The building is essentially a secular spot for selfies. Why not just let it remain and all sides can enjoy its beauty?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Then whats the issue?

The building is essentially a secular spot for selfies. Why not just let it remain and all sides can enjoy its beauty?

Tbh Taj Mahal even if it was tejo mahalaya isnt a priority religious place. If it was a hindu temple converted to a muslim masoleum, it will only rewrite the history of who constructed it.

 

[ex-q-zit]

"Not Here To Reopen History": Supreme Court Rejects Plea On Taj Mahal

New Delhi:

The Supreme Court today refused to entertain a plea seeking removal of alleged wrong historical facts related to the construction of the Taj Mahal from history books and find the age of the monument.

A bench of Justices M R Shah and C T Ravikumar asked the petitioner to approach the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) and make a representation before it.

"The PILs are not meant for fishing enquiry. We are not here to reopen history. Let history continue. The writ petition is dismissed as withdrawn. The petitioner is granted liberty to make representation to the ASI. We have not expressed any merits on the same," the bench said.

The top court was hearing a plea filed by Surjit Singh Yadav seeking direction to the Centre to remove the alleged wrong historical facts related to the construction of the Taj Mahal from history books and textbooks.

The plea also sought directions to the ASI to carry out a probe into the age of the Taj Mahal.

The petitioner contended that his research shows that a magnificent mansion already existed at the site where the body of Mughal emperor Shah Jahan's wife Mumtaz Mahal was placed in a dome-like structure.

"It is extremely strange why all the court chroniclers of Shah Jahan have not mentioned the name of the architect of this magnificent mausoleum. Therefore, this quite clearly indicates that the mansion of Raja Man Singh was not demolished but only modified and renovated to create the current look of the Taj Mahal. That is why there is no mention of any architect in the accounts of the court chroniclers of Shah Jahan," the plea submitted.

The 17th century monument is a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

NDTV

 

[PakLFC]

Do Hindu extremists really think that those who built the Taj would be stupid enough to lock Hindu's deities behind closed doors?. It is plain commonsense that there will be nothing locked up anywhere within the premises. The Taj Mahal will lose all it's charm and tourists if it is converted to anything else. It is the Islamic architecture that makes it one of the wonders of the world. Take that away and it is nothing at all.

 

[PakLFC]

No tourist one will come to see the Taj if it is forcefully converted to a Hindu temple. Hindu's don't seem to understand this. It is the Islamic architecture that makes the Taj a sight to behold.