Takeaways from ICC T20 World Cup 2024

[Monday Morning]

1. Thrilled with India's win, but we're a mid-table T20 side behind the Saffers, English, and Aussies, especially with Rohit having retired. It took some qudrat ka nizam to win this tourney - Afghanistan beating Australia, a 5th day pitch against England, and the mother of all chokes from South Africa. Still, credit to Rohit for getting the most out of this team and the conditions on offer.

2. The other Asian teams are very very poor in the T20 format. Except Gurbaz, there isn't one modern batter between the rest of Asia. Awful state of affairs that shows no sign of improving.

3. You need three really good all-rounders in T20s. Hardik + Axar + Jadeja gave India batting and bowling depth, which ultimately helped them triumph in the final. England with Stokes + Woakes + Moeen, or WI with Russell + Bravo + Pollard are other examples of successful T20 teams.

4. Numbers 5, 6, and 7 are the most important batting positions in T20. Mumbai Indians won three IPLs in four years thanks to the Pandya bros + Pollard in those positions. South Africa almost pulled off a win today with Klaasen + Miller, but Jansen proved to be the weak-link.

5. Unless the conditions are helpful or they can hold a bat, spinners don't add much value in T20s. Kuldeep was taken down by Klaasen today despite being phenomenal in more friendly conditions. Hate on Babar as much as you want, but he's right to play semi-decent spinning all-rounders over Abrar.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It's hard to take too many takeaways from this cup. The pitches and conditions were not standard so let's not draw too many conclusions regarding the best strategies for the format.

However your point 2 and 3 is something that I agree with.

 

[emranabbas]

small donner kebab, chilli and garlic sauce please

 

[oatmeal]

Very very poor scheduling and logistics management by ICC. I hope there is some accountability towards them. Pitches were poor, matches were kept without proper flight connectivity during hurricane season

 

[JaDed]

The only take away is ICC sucks at scheduling tournaments in North America.

 

[deltexas]

The scheduling was bad. Tickets for final were sold out but people couldnt go as there were no flights. A couple of my friends from the USA took 3 ferries to 3 different islands to get a flight to Barbados. That is just ridiculous scheduling. Hopefully the ICC learn from this and organize a better event the next time

 

[Monday Morning]

The logistical nightmares of this tournament are squarely on how dependent cricket is on selling ads to the Indian consumer.

In no other sport would the final of a world event, begin at 1030hrs on a Saturday.

CA and ECB don't buckle to this pressure, but WICB so. It is what it is.

And to me at least, the pitches were quite fun after the 250 vs 250 nonsense in the IPL.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

one of the biggest takeaway from this WC is "once a choker always a choker"

 

[oatmeal]

The logistical nightmares of this tournament are squarely on how dependent cricket is on selling ads to the Indian consumer.

In no other sport would the final of a world event, begin at 1030hrs on a Saturday.

CA and ECB don't buckle to this pressure, but WICB so. It is what it is.

And to me at least, the pitches were quite fun after the 250 vs 250 nonsense in the IPL.

Day matches is just one part of it. It's not even such a big one.

But ICC scheduled games between islands when there were no flights. You could get from Barbados to Guyana for the SF but not back for the finals . Players were stuck for hours because of delays. They crammed games which meant one SF had a reserve day and other didn't. Indian team had to rush to Barbados and didn't get proper rest

 

[nish_mate]

India might be arguably a mid table team but they are champions now and they beat each of the teams mentioned in point 1 without Qudrat or its Nizam.

Second takeaway the drought is over

Third takeaway you wouldn't back any current team to defend 24 odd on that deck in last 4 overs but India did.

Lastly Indias the champs and shhd up a fake tiger and a desi hobbit.

 

[deltexas]

one of the biggest takeaway from this WC is "once a choker always a choker"

Man , you are mean ! But still cant believe how SA managed to lose this? 26 in 26 with 6 wickets left. You would back the batting team 10 times out of 10 to win. Just shows how exceptional Bumrah was and pandya then held his nerves

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Man , you are mean ! But still cant believe how SA managed to lose this? 26 in 26 with 6 wickets left. You would back the batting team 10 times out of 10 to win. Just shows how exceptional Bumrah was and pandya then held his nerves

haha as i said only chokers can lose from this position.

but yeah no doubt Bumrah and Pandya was awesome at the death spell they made things difficult like a hell to score from that position.

well deserved winners!

 

[Thephenom]

I just found it weird that Bumrah was the only one to get any swing?

Any way, I believe there was lots of takeaways at the Pakistan team hotel, and most of them was for Azam Khan’s family!

 

[JaDed]

The logistical nightmares of this tournament are squarely on how dependent cricket is on selling ads to the Indian consumer.

In no other sport would the final of a world event, begin at 1030hrs on a Saturday.

CA and ECB don't buckle to this pressure, but WICB so. It is what it is.

And to me at least, the pitches were quite fun after the 250 vs 250 nonsense in the IPL.

Er .. India also had no time after semi final.. if its catered to India it wasn’t to the team that had no rest .

 

[usman.sandhu]

Key takeaways,

1. We need to come out of the delusion that our core is world-class, we need to get rid of Babar Azam, Shaheen Shah, Shadab Khan, Haris Rauf, Iftikhar Ahmed ASAP

2. We need an overhaul of PSL, move it around in the cricketing calendar to ensure that we attract world class talent. No good international players currently opt to play in PSL.

3. Playing domestic cricket must be mandatory to play for Pakistan

4. There should be no compromise on fitness levels - Azam Khan is a joke

5. No player / group of players can be allowed to be bigger than the National team. We should have the guts to move on.

 

[Technics 1210]

Never hold a WC in the West Indies.

 

[BDfanforever]

T20 is very predictable and also can be unpredictable . If set batsmen dont finish the game, we have seen that team can still lose from 95%+ win chance.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The only take away is ICC sucks at scheduling tournaments in North America.

ICC's scheduling of the 2023 WC was also awful announcing the schedule a month before the tournament, not planning properly and changing fixtures because of religious holidays. And then handling the ticket sales poorly, which led to low turnouts in the earlier games.

 

[rhony]

1. Thrilled with India's win, but we're a mid-table T20 side behind the Saffers, English, and Aussies, especially with Rohit having retired. It took some qudrat ka nizam to win this tourney - Afghanistan beating Australia, a 5th day pitch against England, and the mother of all chokes from South Africa. Still, credit to Rohit for getting the most out of this team and the conditions on offer.

2. The other Asian teams are very very poor in the T20 format. Except Gurbaz, there isn't one modern batter between the rest of Asia. Awful state of affairs that shows no sign of improving.

3. You need three really good all-rounders in T20s. Hardik + Axar + Jadeja gave India batting and bowling depth, which ultimately helped them triumph in the final. England with Stokes + Woakes + Moeen, or WI with Russell + Bravo + Pollard are other examples of successful T20 teams.

4. Numbers 5, 6, and 7 are the most important batting positions in T20. Mumbai Indians won three IPLs in four years thanks to the Pandya bros + Pollard in those positions. South Africa almost pulled off a win today with Klaasen + Miller, but Jansen proved to be the weak-link.

5. Unless the conditions are helpful or they can hold a bat, spinners don't add much value in T20s. Kuldeep was taken down by Klaasen today despite being phenomenal in more friendly conditions. Hate on Babar as much as you want, but he's right to play semi-decent spinning all-rounders over Abrar.

Afg didn't eliminate Australia. India did. England lost against India because they bowled poorly. Saffers struggled almost against every team. Theynare a mid table team in general. Kuldeep got a bit of a tap today but he's still a gun bowler. 8 overs from Bumrah and Kuldeep made a difference in almost every game in the knockouts. India has a very good all-rounder that clicked. Anybody who follows IPL will tell you there are talented youngsters coming up the ranks like Jaiswal and Rinku. Most of the English team is done and so is the Aussie team. That legendary bowling attack won't probably play another limited overs world cup. India will be the team to beat in the future and they aren't a mid table team as Op claimed. Playing semi decent spinners is a horrible idea that doesn't work. One needs atleast 4 legitimate wicket taking bowlers in the team. A couple of allrounders will share the 5th bowler role.

 

[JaDed]

ICC's scheduling of the 2023 WC was also awful announcing the schedule a month before the tournament, not planning properly and changing fixtures because of religious holidays. And then handling the ticket sales poorly, which led to low turnouts in the earlier games.

That scheduling sucked the most of ICT due to the travel.
The semi and final timeline sucked again for Indian team

 

[rhony]

The biggest takeaway from this world cup is there aren't too many 50s and not a single century. T20 landscape has changed. Need to be aggressive from the top and need risk taking batsman ,wicket taking bowlers through and through. This is precisely why India won.as they did it for the most part.

 

[rhony]

That scheduling sucked the most of ICT due to the travel.
The semi and final timeline sucked again for Indian team

Atleast they weren't screwed because of dew. Luckily toss didn't matter much and when it did , opposition asked India to bat. Need a bit of luck with these things.

 

[Shaheenthefalcon]

I just found it weird that Bumrah was the only one to get any swing?

Any way, I believe there was lots of takeaways at the Pakistan team hotel, and most of them was for Azam Khan’s family!

Take aways: azam khans amazing show of athletic showcase. Buffets and kabobs more than practice. Meet and greets for even after losing. Meet and greet for higher price after beating canada and end the tour on a high (cutting a cake in hotel). Chase after fans and threaten to beat em up. Great Babar innings. Lot for positives for pak

 

[oatmeal]

The biggest takeaway from this world cup is there aren't too many 50s and not a single century. T20 landscape has changed. Need to be aggressive from the top and need risk taking batsman ,wicket taking bowlers through and through. This is precisely why India won.as they did it for the most part.

T20 stats need to be changed. Use 30 and 75 instead. 100s have no meaning in T20 usual stats. They are like double centuries in ODIs

 

[praveen]

Undefeated champions a mid table team ? How can anyone even come up with such an insanely poor take ?

The takeaway for me is that the conditions should always offer balance between the bat and ball no matter the format. 120 games anyday over 200+ so err on the side of bowler friendly pitches if you have to.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

- The role of the anchor has changed completely in modern day T20 cricket. 120 SR players no longer have any place in this format. And even if you are a 130+ SR player you need to have a fifth gear in your batting where you can go from 135 to 180 when the situation demands it.

- Associates have lessened the gap with bigger teams. They are much more competitive and capable now than they ever were. And franchise T20 cricket will keep providing their players with an opportunity to improve their skills, that their country's lack of structure cannot.

- Even in T20Is, its all about playing the conditions. If you don't understand this and don't have a side of players with clearly defined roles, you will be cooked.

- As cliche as it is, catches do win matches. Whether you want to look at Markram's blinders against Bangladesh and England or SKY's blinder against South Africa, inspired efforts on the field can completely change the trajectory and outcome of a match in a format with such fine margins.

- Embrace modernity or get left behind. This is more of a general point, but T20 cricket has evolved so much that any team that relies on conventional and set ways of winning is going to get eaten alive in this format. A good T20 captain is someone who can think or the fly and adapt quickly, but also someone who is aware of everything from the conditions to all the actionable data that is available on the other team and its players. If you are not playing those percentages and creating those match-ups, you will struggle to beat the teams that are.

- Hitting sixes is always going to be the most important thing. Sorry, but hitting those well-timed cover drives and cuts is simply not as effective as hitting two ugly looking sixes. India knows this better than any other team. And one of the biggest reasons they lost in 2016 and 2022, was because the other team just hit more sixes than them. But this time around India understood this and you could see all tournament that wherever it was on, the intent from their batters was always to clear the rope.

- Think twice before organizing a tournament in North America. The timings are awful for anyone living in Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan. The weather is awful with the constant rain. The pitches are questionable for T20 cricket. I hope there we have to wait atleast 20 years for another ICC tournament in the the Americas.

 

[sweep_shot]

Takeaways:

1) West Indies is a boring place for World Cup. But, they deserve to host as a full-nation. They should put in more effort to make it interesting.

2) Keep the format as it is. It gives all teams a chance. Keep it to 20 teams. Not more. Not less.

3) Don't always put Pakistan and India in the same group. Don't always put Sri Lanka and Bangladesh in the same group. It should be randomly selected. Otherwise, it becomes farcical.

4) Super 8 positions shouldn't be based on pre-seeding. It should be like A1, A2, B1, B2 etc.

 

[oatmeal]

Takeaways:

1) West Indies is a boring place for World Cup. But, they deserve to host as a full-nation. They should put in more effort to make it interesting.

2) Keep the format as it is. It gives all teams a chance. Keep it to 20 teams. Not more. Not less.

3) Don't always put Pakistan and India in the same group. Don't always put Sri Lanka and Bangladesh in the same group. It should be randomly selected. Otherwise, it becomes farcical.

4) Super 8 positions shouldn't be based on pre-seeding. It should be like A1, A2, B1, B2 etc.

The only reason India and Pakistan are in the same group is to ensure there is at least one India Pakistan game which is the most valuable game of the world cup.

Broadcasters love knockout stage games of course but those arent a guarantee

 

[sweep_shot]

The only reason India and Pakistan are in the same group is to ensure there is at least one India Pakistan game which is the most valuable game of the world cup.

Broadcasters love knockout stage games of course but those arent a guarantee

Only in cricket I guess.

They don't do that in football. You are unlikely to see FIFA put Brazil and Argentina deliberately even though it may result in higher revenues.

It is really farcical. I think teams should be selected randomly.

 

[oatmeal]

Only in cricket I guess.

They don't do that in football. You are unlikely to see FIFA put Brazil and Argentina deliberately even though it may result in higher revenues.

It is really farcical. I think teams should be selected randomly.

Football revenue is distributed, it is not dependent on any one country like Cricket's revenue is. There will be big matches in the round of 8s for sure.

 

[BDfanforever]

Asian cricket have gone down hill with decline of Pakistan and Sri Lanka. BD with their poor management in control failed to impress.

Cricket will be Aus, Eng, RSA/NZ standing between India going forward. With retirement of Kohli and Rohit, I see further decline in Asian Cricket.

In t20 many countries are now playing. We might even see Brazil/Argentina beating one of the south Asian team in the future.

 

[JaDed]

- The role of the anchor has changed completely in modern day T20 cricket. 120 SR players no longer have any place in this format. And even if you are a 130+ SR player you need to have a fifth gear in your batting where you can go from 135 to 180 when the situation demands it.

- Associates have lessened the gap with bigger teams. They are much more competitive and capable now than they ever were. And franchise T20 cricket will keep providing their players with an opportunity to improve their skills, that their country's lack of structure cannot.

- Even in T20Is, its all about playing the conditions. If you don't understand this and don't have a side of players with clearly defined roles, you will be cooked.

- As cliche as it is, catches do win matches. Whether you want to look at Markram's blinders against Bangladesh and England or SKY's blinder against South Africa, inspired efforts on the field can completely change the trajectory and outcome of a match in a format with such fine margins.

- Embrace modernity or get left behind. This is more of a general point, but T20 cricket has evolved so much that any team that relies on conventional and set ways of winning is going to get eaten alive in this format. A good T20 captain is someone who can think or the fly and adapt quickly, but also someone who is aware of everything from the conditions to all the actionable data that is available on the other team and its players. If you are not playing those percentages and creating those match-ups, you will struggle to beat the teams that are.

- Hitting sixes is always going to be the most important thing. Sorry, but hitting those well-timed cover drives and cuts is simply not as effective as hitting two ugly looking sixes. India knows this better than any other team. And one of the biggest reasons they lost in 2016 and 2022, was because the other team just hit more sixes than them. But this time around India understood this and you could see all tournament that wherever it was on, the intent from their batters was always to clear the rope.

- Think twice before organizing a tournament in North America. The timings are awful for anyone living in Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan. The weather is awful with the constant rain. The pitches are questionable for T20 cricket. I hope there we have to wait atleast 20 years for another ICC tournament in the the Americas.

Top post , also reason why Axar got promoted 2-3 times and he delievered.

Hitting a six in T20, is like a 3 pointer in basketball, it just has more value in terms of stats.

 

[JaDed]

Asian cricket have gone down hill with decline of Pakistan and Sri Lanka. BD with their poor management in control failed to impress.

Cricket will be Aus, Eng, RSA/NZ standing between India going forward. With retirement of Kohli and Rohit, I see further decline in Asian Cricket.

In t20 many countries are now playing. We might even see Brazil/Argentina beating one of the south Asian team in the future.

T20.. is a format that allows teams to play and make the gap smaller, Pak just takes associates too lightly.. and they suffered, see what Ali from USA said they believed the could win against PCT due to inconsistent performance.

 

[Buffet]

- The role of the anchor has changed completely in modern day T20 cricket. 120 SR players no longer have any place in this format. And even if you are a 130+ SR player you need to have a fifth gear in your batting where you can go from 135 to 180 when the situation demands it.

- Associates have lessened the gap with bigger teams. They are much more competitive and capable now than they ever were. And franchise T20 cricket will keep providing their players with an opportunity to improve their skills, that their country's lack of structure cannot.

- Even in T20Is, its all about playing the conditions. If you don't understand this and don't have a side of players with clearly defined roles, you will be cooked.

- As cliche as it is, catches do win matches. Whether you want to look at Markram's blinders against Bangladesh and England or SKY's blinder against South Africa, inspired efforts on the field can completely change the trajectory and outcome of a match in a format with such fine margins.

- Embrace modernity or get left behind. This is more of a general point, but T20 cricket has evolved so much that any team that relies on conventional and set ways of winning is going to get eaten alive in this format. A good T20 captain is someone who can think or the fly and adapt quickly, but also someone who is aware of everything from the conditions to all the actionable data that is available on the other team and its players. If you are not playing those percentages and creating those match-ups, you will struggle to beat the teams that are.

- Hitting sixes is always going to be the most important thing. Sorry, but hitting those well-timed cover drives and cuts is simply not as effective as hitting two ugly looking sixes. India knows this better than any other team. And one of the biggest reasons they lost in 2016 and 2022, was because the other team just hit more sixes than them. But this time around India understood this and you could see all tournament that wherever it was on, the intent from their batters was always to clear the rope.

- Think twice before organizing a tournament in North America. The timings are awful for anyone living in Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan. The weather is awful with the constant rain. The pitches are questionable for T20 cricket. I hope there we have to wait atleast 20 years for another ICC tournament in the the Americas.

A very good poing about hitting 6. Even this target of 176 looked easy mainly due to Klas hitting those 6s. WI won few time T20 cup and it was mainly based on six hitters.

In any decent pitch, hitting 6 becomes vital.

 

[BouncerGuy]

The only takeaway from this tournament is South Africa is a choker and everybody will approve of this fact. 2ndly, Pakistan cannot win anything unless they make it 1 unit instead of individual performances.

India is a powerhouse in cricket and they deserved this trophy.

 

[Red-Indian]

Afg didn't eliminate Australia. India did. England lost against India because they bowled poorly. Saffers struggled almost against every team. Theynare a mid table team in general. Kuldeep got a bit of a tap today but he's still a gun bowler. 8 overs from Bumrah and Kuldeep made a difference in almost every game in the knockouts. India has a very good all-rounder that clicked. Anybody who follows IPL will tell you there are talented youngsters coming up the ranks like Jaiswal and Rinku. Most of the English team is done and so is the Aussie team. That legendary bowling attack won't probably play another limited overs world cup. India will be the team to beat in the future and they aren't a mid table team as Op claimed. Playing semi decent spinners is a horrible idea that doesn't work. One needs atleast 4 legitimate wicket taking bowlers in the team. A couple of allrounders will share the 5th bowler role.

The OP took the team and formula that just won the cup and picked holes in it.

 

[Vikram1989]

- Think twice before organizing a tournament in North America. The timings are awful for anyone living in Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan.

In aus.and nz too. it's pathetic for Indian matches.matches started at 12.30 am.in nz it starts around 3 am.

 

[Sir Alex]

Lol what's this nitpicking about day games ? They used to be the norm for most of cricketing history. Became a norm only for broadcasting considerations to fetch more spectators.

Also world cup matches, especially India,'s are not designed for casual guys who take a metro to the stadium after work and watch a .stch got 2 hours. They are sold out within minutes well in advance and are hogged by fans who take block of leaves from work and travel thousands of kilometers. They wouldn't mind if it is day or day night games. So I fail to understand who is getting hurt by so called 10.30 AM starts.

Also what's with this ridiculous Qudrat ki nizam. India Won all its matches in this cup and the only team to do so. There is zero fluke about it. They bested Aus and SA by holding their nerve when it mattered and by forcing the opposition to choke hard. What India played was the stuff champion teams do - even if they are not favorites on paper, they do the punching when it matters.

Rohit and Kohli retiring will only strengthen Indian t20i setup as Jaiswal and Gill will come in. RInkuwill also come in. And they have a huge pipeline of high potential uoungsters in the waiting for this format. So t20is are the least of worry for India.

 

[Usman Chadda]

T20.. is a format that allows teams to play and make the gap smaller, Pak just takes associates too lightly.. and they suffered, see what Ali from USA said they believed the could win against PCT due to inconsistent performance.

Nope, I think Pakistan cricket is well and truly dead now. The psyche has been damaged immeasurably, and you can see from the players’ reactions that they care more about the central contracts and leagues than the humiliation they have suffered.

It’s truly poetic that India has managed to win the same World Cup where Pakistan cricket got buried by a bunch of amateur cricketers.

Afghanistan might have made the semi-finals, but I still think they have a lot of work to do to be competitive in all conditions. Still rate Sri Lanka above them to be honest.

Bangladesh have a few good young players, they need to get rid off their toxic senior players now and let the new generation take the next step forward.

Nepal did quite well aswell, specially against South Africa.

 

[gani999]

My takeaways:

1. The T20 format is the greatest equalizer in cricket. Only in this format can an associate team like USA fancy a victory against stronger sides like Pakistan. No captain can afford to take any opponent lightly in T20.
2. Afghanistan is going to be a side to reckon with going forward. No one can take them easy now.
3. Bangladesh should stop playing cricket. Their test status should be revoked as they don't deserve it.

 

[Usman Chadda]

My takeaways:

1. The T20 format is the greatest equalizer in cricket. Only in this format can an associate team like USA fancy a victory against stronger sides like Pakistan. No captain can afford to take any opponent lightly in T20.
2. Afghanistan is going to be a side to reckon with going forward. No one can take them easy now.
3. Bangladesh should stop playing cricket. Their test status should be revoked as they don't deserve it.

Pakistan will surprise you by losing an ODI to one of these associate nations next.

The way Ali Khan spoke about Pakistan, these boys should really collectively retire from playing any level of cricket.

 

[Markhor]

1) T20 cricket is most compelling on pitches that allow for a fair contest between and ball, as opposed to conditions where bowlers are reduced to cannon fodder. While New York was a underprepared venue too skewed in favour of the bowlers and Guyana produced its usual slow, low mudheaps - Barbados, Antigua, St Lucia and Dallas were excellent.

2) The well overdue expansion of the World Cup paid dividends. The story of USA, Scotland's brave efforts, and Nepal and Netherlands running the Full Members mightily close was heartwarming. However there was big drop off between them and Oman, PNG and Uganda. Perhaps 16 teams is the sweet spot ?

3) The tournament's in the top three T20 WCs I've seen but the ICC couldn't resist the usual logistical hiccups. Staging cricket in the Americas' rainy season was fraught with danger. The knockout stages was rushed with the convenience of fans overlooked.

That said I appreciate a rare attempt at taking cricket to new frontiers in the format most suited for its expansion. T20 WCs should be hosted in places that rarely get the opportunity to stage a WTC final or ODI WC such as WI/USA, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh or New Zealand. We see countless events in England, Australia and India. The same old grounds, the same old cities. Yes the time zone was inconvenient for subcontinental and UK fans - but isn't it inconvenient for American fans, no less passionate or dedicated, when they watch cricket played the other side of the world ?

If World Cups are global events, let it reach every part of the cricket playing world that can realistically host it. Just execute better next time.

 

[MP2011]

How can India be a mid table T20 team when they,

1) Have won all their T20 games played so far during this year;
2) Have been no.1 in T20 rankings for some time now; admittedly T20 rankings don't matter much
3) Won the just concluded T20 WC without losing a single game and that too after playing quite a few passengers.

If India is a mid table T20 team, which team is at the top of table? I know Indian T20 team can still improve a lot by ejecting a few out and out passengers but they surely aren't a mid table team.

 

[Energy]

My biggest takeaway has been the realisation that Pakistan cricketers are indeed over-paid sports politicians.

Right from forming a non-performing core group to getting last minute retired guys and banking on nepotistic obesity to get the big hits - all of this reeks of their toxic personalities.

This world cup has been an eye opening experience. The bitterness increases when you see the level of money these guys roped in and the casual attitude toward the job. In the end, Pakistan cricketers are still winning at life albeit on the wrong path. It's the awaam which are perennial losers.

 

[nish_mate]

How can India be a mid table T20 team when they,

1) Have won all their T20 games played so far during this year;
2) Have been no.1 in T20 rankings for some time now; admittedly T20 rankings don't matter much
3) Won the just concluded T20 WC without losing a single game and that too after playing quite a few passengers.

If India is a mid table T20 team, which team is at the top of table? I know Indian T20 team can still improve a lot by ejecting a few out and out passengers but they surely aren't a mid table team.

Even sweeter is a mid table team rolling over and sweeping out top teams on their way to victory

 

[chakdeindian]

Biggest takeaway is Army training like gimmicks don't work for cricket..It's all about skills and mental toughness..and Afganistan is now the second best Asian team followed by Srilanka and then Pakistan..

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Hardik Pandya has a heart!

 

[FearlessRoar]

The tournament was too short. I don't think it's justified that each team only played 6-8 games and is declared a champion.

So, I think the tournament should be bigger, with at least 15 games for each team.

 

[Pakpak]

Biggest takeaway is Army training like gimmicks don't work for cricket..It's all about skills and mental toughness..and Afganistan is now the second best Asian team followed by Srilanka and then Pakistan..

We literally smashed Afg before the WC, 3-0.

But yes theyre the second best team after winning a few T20s. Indians cant help themselves but troll.

 

[dubeTheGoat]

The tournament was too short. I don't think it's justified that each team only played 6-8 games and is declared a champion.

So, I think the tournament should be bigger, with at least 15 games for each team.

I feel like that would be too much draining to teams. 6-8 games is fine for T20is. I like this format instead of the 10 team group in world cup .
It enables weaker teams and associate sides and opportunity to showcase their skill as the skill gap is closer. For them, the T20wc is the only chance for some consistent games against stronger sides.
Even now, certain teams being added would make it competitive- UAE, Zimbabwe

 

[sweep_shot]

I feel like that would be too much draining to teams. 6-8 games is fine for T20is. I like this format instead of the 10 team group in world cup .
It enables weaker teams and associate sides and opportunity to showcase their skill as the skill gap is closer. For them, the T20wc is the only chance for some consistent games against stronger sides.
Even now, certain teams being added would make it competitive- UAE, Zimbabwe

20 teams are great for World T20. I agree. ICC shouldn't change this format.

For 10-team tournaments, there are ODI WC and CT (CT has 8 teams).

 

[TeymurBlake]

- The role of the anchor has changed completely in modern day T20 cricket. 120 SR players no longer have any place in this format. And even if you are a 130+ SR player you need to have a fifth gear in your batting where you can go from 135 to 180 when the situation demands it.

- Associates have lessened the gap with bigger teams. They are much more competitive and capable now than they ever were. And franchise T20 cricket will keep providing their players with an opportunity to improve their skills, that their country's lack of structure cannot.

- Even in T20Is, its all about playing the conditions. If you don't understand this and don't have a side of players with clearly defined roles, you will be cooked.

- As cliche as it is, catches do win matches. Whether you want to look at Markram's blinders against Bangladesh and England or SKY's blinder against South Africa, inspired efforts on the field can completely change the trajectory and outcome of a match in a format with such fine margins.

- Embrace modernity or get left behind. This is more of a general point, but T20 cricket has evolved so much that any team that relies on conventional and set ways of winning is going to get eaten alive in this format. A good T20 captain is someone who can think or the fly and adapt quickly, but also someone who is aware of everything from the conditions to all the actionable data that is available on the other team and its players. If you are not playing those percentages and creating those match-ups, you will struggle to beat the teams that are.

- Hitting sixes is always going to be the most important thing. Sorry, but hitting those well-timed cover drives and cuts is simply not as effective as hitting two ugly looking sixes. India knows this better than any other team. And one of the biggest reasons they lost in 2016 and 2022, was because the other team just hit more sixes than them. But this time around India understood this and you could see all tournament that wherever it was on, the intent from their batters was always to clear the rope.

- Think twice before organizing a tournament in North America. The timings are awful for anyone living in Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan. The weather is awful with the constant rain. The pitches are questionable for T20 cricket. I hope there we have to wait atleast 20 years for another ICC tournament in the the Americas.

Pretty much spot on mate.

Everything you have said can be counted against Pakistan cricket, specially when other teams are following this plan & Pakistan are very much enjoying the ride as it comes.

Mindset, mentality, modernization & openness to change. Until these are brought in to Pakistan only then could they be a competitive team. But also the PCB must follow this too. But they will need to divorce themselves from Pakistan politics.

 

[mominsaigol]

- Accumulators now have no place in t20. Kohli got lucky thanks to bumrah, otherwise if klaseen took the side home people would he screaming at kohli rn. Case in point, you will lose or put massive pressure on the bowling if you hit 60 ball 70's in t20.

- Never host in USA again. If you want associates to he represented as become host nations, then these associates need to he locals and have interest in the game both players and fans, not 2nd rate pakistani, West Indian, English, NZ or Indian players in a team called usa. Only nation that's associate but deserves to represent is Nepal, but Nepal doesn't have the country or infrastructure atm.

- Fix the Rain problem. ICC had atrocious planning for this event, ik rain is a part of the game, but if you know that a freaking thunderstorm and a flood in USA is on its way a month in advance, then why can't you change, swip swop or have flexibility? I understand tv viewership is a thing, but heck conduct an offline match in the worst case scenario, Something is better then nothing. Wc 2023 was perfect thanks to no rain.

- Start trusting the new gen more. Australia's overreliance on old guns who are at the end of their rope cost them. India got lucky that rohit and kohli clicked at the right time otherwise they were walking wickets 24/7 before the last 3 games. As for pakistan the less said the better.

 

[RyanRyan10]

How can India be a mid table T20 team when they,

1) Have won all their T20 games played so far during this year;
2) Have been no.1 in T20 rankings for some time now; admittedly T20 rankings don't matter much
3) Won the just concluded T20 WC without losing a single game and that too after playing quite a few passengers.

If India is a mid table T20 team, which team is at the top of table? I know Indian T20 team can still improve a lot by ejecting a few out and out passengers but they surely aren't a mid table team.

Also

- Has the best Win Loss ratio among all sides
- Has positive Win loss record against all teams

Greatest mid table team to ever exist in any sport

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Pretty much spot on mate.

Everything you have said can be counted against Pakistan cricket, specially when other teams are following this plan & Pakistan are very much enjoying the ride as it comes.

Mindset, mentality, modernization & openness to change. Until these are brought in to Pakistan only then could they be a competitive team. But also the PCB must follow this too. But they will need to divorce themselves from Pakistan politics.

Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh are not playing cricket that is in any way intuned with the times.

But sticking to just Pakistan, I'd say the situation is especially dire because no one from the players to the higher-ups seem capable of realizing this. On top of that the constant instability with the changing of selectors and chairmen makes things even worse because then you have things like captains being removed and reappointed which just distracts people even more from the real problems. I guess my point is that I see no end in sight for Pakistan's T20 problems.

 

[baba ghazi]

compulsory to have good batting options at no 7 and 8. They need to be more than just sloggers

 

[chakdeindian]

We literally smashed Afg before the WC, 3-0.

But yes theyre the second best team after winning a few T20s. Indians cant help themselves but troll.

We literally smashed Afg before the WC, 3-0.

But yes theyre the second best team after winning a few T20s. Indians cant help themselves but troll.

Here are the results of the last five T20 matches between Pakistan and Afghanistan ¹:
- October 6, 2023: Afghanistan won by 4 wickets
- March 27, 2023: Pakistan won by 66 runs
- March 26, 2023: Afghanistan won by 7 wickets
- March 24, 2023: Afghanistan won by 6 wickets
- September 7, 2022: Pakistan won by 1 wicket

As per this, Afganistan dominated pak in T20..Which series are you referring to??

 

[Pakpak]

Here are the results of the last five T20 matches between Pakistan and Afghanistan ¹:
- October 6, 2023: Afghanistan won by 4 wickets
- March 27, 2023: Pakistan won by 66 runs
- March 26, 2023: Afghanistan won by 7 wickets
- March 24, 2023: Afghanistan won by 6 wickets
- September 7, 2022: Pakistan won by 1 wicket

As per this, Afganistan dominated pak in T20..Which series are you referring to??

ODI series Aug Sept 2023

Or are you arguing T20s are more highly rated than ODIs? Or have we been losing ODI series to Afg that I am not aware off? Even in the 'list' you posted, which is incomplete, in the last 7 T20s we have beaten them 4-3. The past year only its 3-3. Good fudging of the dates.


As for Sri Lanka we have played each other 10 years around last 10 years and its 6-6. With Lanka having won the most recent 2 T20s 2 years ago.

For ODIs its even more embarssing reading, we lead Afg 7-1 out of 8 total ODIs we have played in total
Against Sri Lanka in the last 10 ODIs we have 9-1. Yes. NINE one.

But yes, you go with your Afg is the second best white team followed by Sri Lanka.

Absolutely embarrassing trolling.

 

[kach]

My first takeaway from the tournament is ICC is a capitalist organization that purely thinks money. They rigged the entire tournament to have India and Pakistan given the easiest group and were hoping for an India Pakistan final to bring in the $$$.
Pakistan on the other hand decided to throw a spanner into the workings. They made USA look like a high quality team. Their bowling lineup looked formidable on paper especially for the conditions in the initial stages of the tournament but they blew it.

 

[sweep_shot]

My first takeaway from the tournament is ICC is a capitalist organization that purely thinks money. They rigged the entire tournament to have India and Pakistan given the easiest group and were hoping for an India Pakistan final to bring in the $$$.
Pakistan on the other hand decided to throw a spanner into the workings. They made USA look like a high quality team. Their bowling lineup looked formidable on paper especially for the conditions in the initial stages of the tournament but they blew it.

Yes. I believe BCCI has influenced ICC to go all capitalist. It has destroyed the beautiful game of cricket with oversaturations.

I miss pre-IPL and pre-T20 cricket world.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Yes. I believe BCCI has influenced ICC to go all capitalist. It has destroyed the beautiful game of cricket with oversaturations.

I miss pre-IPL and pre-T20 cricket world.

You can watch county cricket division matches; they are played with around 15 teams.

 

[kach]

Yes. I believe BCCI has influenced ICC to go all capitalist. It has destroyed the beautiful game of cricket with oversaturations.

I miss pre-IPL and pre-T20 cricket world.

I believe it is the other way around. ICC has always been greedy and BCCI learned from it. It is just that media covers it a lot more nowadays.

 

[zn426]

My first takeaway from the tournament is ICC is a capitalist organization that purely thinks money. They rigged the entire tournament to have India and Pakistan given the easiest group and were hoping for an India Pakistan final to bring in the $$$.
Pakistan on the other hand decided to throw a spanner into the workings. They made USA look like a high quality team. Their bowling lineup looked formidable on paper especially for the conditions in the initial stages of the tournament but they blew it.

As much as I enjoyed what this World Cup has done for American cricket the pitches equalized things for the lesser teams. India had to face the danger zone with the pitches in New York. they could just have easily have lost to Pakistan and USA and gotten booted out of the tournament in the first round.

It feels amazing that we were just a couple of overs away from beating SA in a Super 8 match despite not having one of our best batsmen. I am very excited for the cup in India in two years.

And money is what pays for the sport. Sports are entertainment but you can't run the sport without money. Money directed in the right places makes the sport even better and grows the sport. I am sure that with this recent run of success the USA cricket authorities now have a product which can get some advertising dollars for MLC which will enable further grassroots development and bring more US-based investment into cricket. Having the world's largest economy involved will help balance the game and enable further development.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Pitches were fine apart from New York and Tarouba SF pitch which were poor because of the extreme variable bounce.

Nothing wrong with Guyana . So what if it was a slow, low pitch? It only means that typical flat track bullies like Bairstow can't bat on it. Doesn't make it a bad surface

Day games are fine too. Broadcasters need to be kept in mind. All that ICC revenue depends on these timings.

Traditional Asian powers except India are in decline. Pakistan's bowling is hilariously overrated. BD and SL have no batting to speak of.

Afghans were good but they too rely on Gurbaz and Zadran only .

NZ are an example of what happens when you keep selecting conservatively with mediocre familiar faces (Conway, KW)

England continue to get exposed on surfaces with something in them. And even on a flat track , they are not the gold standard anymore.

South Africa showed what they can actually achieve when they select based on data(for the 2nd time in a row) and not be shackled by "transformation" targets.

 

[Local.Dada]

How can it be qudrat ka nizam when India won every game against every major cricket nation fair and square all things considered (condition, pitch, weather) ?

We had a washout against Canada. Even let’s say you think they will beat India, India had qualified at that point with 3/3 wins.

Mid-tier team is debatable. With barely 6-7 competitive teams in Cricket, I don’t know if I would call them mid-tier. They have some issues to fix agree but so do Aussies and England.

 

[JaDed]

As much as I enjoyed what this World Cup has done for American cricket the pitches equalized things for the lesser teams. India had to face the danger zone with the pitches in New York. they could just have easily have lost to Pakistan and USA and gotten booted out of the tournament in the first round.

It feels amazing that we were just a couple of overs away from beating SA in a Super 8 match despite not having one of our best batsmen. I am very excited for the cup in India in two years.

And money is what pays for the sport. Sports are entertainment but you can't run the sport without money. Money directed in the right places makes the sport even better and grows the sport. I am sure that with this recent run of success the USA cricket authorities now have a product which can get some advertising dollars for MLC which will enable further grassroots development and bring more US-based investment into cricket. Having the world's largest economy involved will help balance the game and enable further development.

If you see Ali’s interview with Latif he said they wre more confident on winning against PCT than India.

India rarely loses to minnows due to nerves, irrespective lot of close games this wc, reminded me of the 2016 one which too had many close games.

 

[JaDed]

How can it be qudrat ka nizam when India won every game against every major cricket nation fair and square all things considered (condition, pitch, weather) ?

We had a washout against Canada. Even let’s say you think they will beat India, India had qualified at that point with 3/3 wins.

Mid-tier team is debatable. With barely 6-7 competitive teams in Cricket, I don’t know if I would call them mid-tier. They have some issues to fix agree but so do Aussies and England.

Must be the greatest qudrat ka Nizam that Indian team went undefeated.

I wish we always have this

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Must be the greatest qudrat ka Nizam that Indian team went undefeated.

I wish we always have this

It was more like a qudrat ka inteqam! lol

 

[Technics 1210]

The biggest takeaway for me is just how pathetic the Pakistan team is. This is compounded by the fact I witnessed the same Pakistan team upfront for 3 days, 2 weeks before the WC.

Could not beat USA in TWO consecutive attempts, in normal time, and then in what is now the infamous WC superover.

Could not beat India at 100 SR. India were probably thinking how Pakistan gifted them 2 points.

To top it off the audacity after being eliminated. Rauf almost lands himself in trouble. Babar extends his stay to shopping malls, and just today on social media, a video of Chacha Iftikar on keeping fit.

Comedy all round.

 

[chakdeindian]

ODI series Aug Sept 2023

Or are you arguing T20s are more highly rated than ODIs? Or have we been losing ODI series to Afg that I am not aware off? Even in the 'list' you posted, which is incomplete, in the last 7 T20s we have beaten them 4-3. The past year only its 3-3. Good fudging of the dates.


As for Sri Lanka we have played each other 10 years around last 10 years and its 6-6. With Lanka having won the most recent 2 T20s 2 years ago.

For ODIs its even more embarssing reading, we lead Afg 7-1 out of 8 total ODIs we have played in total
Against Sri Lanka in the last 10 ODIs we have 9-1. Yes. NINE one.

But yes, you go with your Afg is the second best white team followed by Sri Lanka.

Absolutely embarrassing trolling.

Are we not discussing about t20s

ODI series Aug Sept 2023

Or are you arguing T20s are more highly rated than ODIs? Or have we been losing ODI series to Afg that I am not aware off? Even in the 'list' you posted, which is incomplete, in the last 7 T20s we have beaten them 4-3. The past year only its 3-3. Good fudging of the dates.


As for Sri Lanka we have played each other 10 years around last 10 years and its 6-6. With Lanka having won the most recent 2 T20s 2 years ago.

For ODIs its even more embarssing reading, we lead Afg 7-1 out of 8 total ODIs we have played in total
Against Sri Lanka in the last 10 ODIs we have 9-1. Yes. NINE one.

But yes, you go with your Afg is the second best white team followed by Sri Lanka.

Absolutely embarrassing trolling.

Is this thread about T20 or Odi?.. don't mix

ODI series Aug Sept 2023

Or are you arguing T20s are more highly rated than ODIs? Or have we been losing ODI series to Afg that I am not aware off? Even in the 'list' you posted, which is incomplete, in the last 7 T20s we have beaten them 4-3. The past year only its 3-3. Good fudging of the dates.


As for Sri Lanka we have played each other 10 years around last 10 years and its 6-6. With Lanka having won the most recent 2 T20s 2 years ago.

For ODIs its even more embarssing reading, we lead Afg 7-1 out of 8 total ODIs we have played in total
Against Sri Lanka in the last 10 ODIs we have 9-1. Yes. NINE one.

But yes, you go with your Afg is the second best white team followed by Sri Lanka.

Absolutely embarrassing trolling.

Loll..the thread is about T20 world cup takeaways..And you are speaking on overall record, one day, test..blah blah..your team did not qualify to Super 8 whereas afg qualified to Semis.. Srilanka exit also didn't qualify but they lost to Bangalore and SA, which are test playing nation, whereas your team lost to a part time Team USA and no comfortable win with other associate nations you played in this WC.. atleast Srilanka reached the final in last Asia Cup T20 hosted by you, where your team didn't qualify for semis in that as well.iIf you see head to head, pak has overall has better record than India, does that mean your current Pakistan team is stronger than Indian team..few fluke home ground bilaterals with B and C teams won't make your team great..your team is a joke..accept that and move on..

 

[BouncerGuy]

The takeaway I can see is that Pakistan can lose to any team whether it is USA, Ireland, or Zimbabwe and there are groups in the team who are working for their own gang.

PCB is an institution having the worst management who knows nothing about having right people for right job and they got exposed big time.

 

[Pakpak]

Are we not discussing about t20s

Is this thread about T20 or Odi?.. don't mix

Loll..the thread is about T20 world cup takeaways..And you are speaking on overall record, one day, test..blah blah..your team did not qualify to Super 8 whereas afg qualified to Semis.. Srilanka exit also didn't qualify but they lost to Bangalore and SA, which are test playing nation, whereas your team lost to a part time Team USA and no comfortable win with other associate nations you played in this WC.. atleast Srilanka reached the final in last Asia Cup T20 hosted by you, where your team didn't qualify for semis in that as well.iIf you see head to head, pak has overall has better record than India, does that mean your current Pakistan team is stronger than Indian team..few fluke home ground bilaterals with B and C teams won't make your team great..your team is a joke..accept that and move on..

You said white ball team

white ball team also includes ODI

And who's here speaking about overall records? I've put up the most recent records which show we have bettered Afg both in T20s and ODI head to heads, both white ball cricket and Afg bring their A team in bilaterals

And dominated Sri Lanka in ODIs while being even in T20. Who also bring their A team in bilaterals. Which is why you won't see me bragging about beating Aus as they bring their C team in bilaterals

Not sure why youre brining up US or telling me to "move on and accept Pakistan is rubbish". Where have I said otherwise? I simply disputed your claim about white ball teams and you have nothing left to say

I didn't even bring the bilaterals in, you did in your last post where you posted (wrongly manipulating dates) Pakistans and Afghanistans head to head in recent bilaterals


But say against India we have been smashed last 10 years hence the acceptance India is miles ahead of us.

 

[amit]

1) T20 cricket is most compelling on pitches that allow for a fair contest between and ball, as opposed to conditions where bowlers are reduced to cannon fodder. While New York was a underprepared venue too skewed in favour of the bowlers and Guyana produced its usual slow, low mudheaps - Barbados, Antigua, St Lucia and Dallas were excellent.

2) The well overdue expansion of the World Cup paid dividends. The story of USA, Scotland's brave efforts, and Nepal and Netherlands running the Full Members mightily close was heartwarming. However there was big drop off between them and Oman, PNG and Uganda. Perhaps 16 teams is the sweet spot ?

3) The tournament's in the top three T20 WCs I've seen but the ICC couldn't resist the usual logistical hiccups. Staging cricket in the Americas' rainy season was fraught with danger. The knockout stages was rushed with the convenience of fans overlooked.

That said I appreciate a rare attempt at taking cricket to new frontiers in the format most suited for its expansion. T20 WCs should be hosted in places that rarely get the opportunity to stage a WTC final or ODI WC such as WI/USA, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh or New Zealand. We see countless events in England, Australia and India. The same old grounds, the same old cities. Yes the time zone was inconvenient for subcontinental and UK fans - but isn't it inconvenient for American fans, no less passionate or dedicated, when they watch cricket played the other side of the world ?

If World Cups are global events, let it reach every part of the cricket playing world that can realistically host it. Just execute better next time.

16 will be good for ODIs where Scotland and Netherlands have shown that they can compete in ODIs too and top Associates can compete in ODIs if given the chance. 20 is good for T20Is. Namibia and USA have got wins over Sri Lanka and Pakistan respectively showing that beyond the Scots and Dutch, other Associates can have their share of upsets too in T20Is. Yes Oman and Uganda were disapponting but don't forget that Uganda qualified as they beat Zimbabwe. If Zimbabwe were there then this T20 WC could have been more interesting. PNG nearly beat West Indies so they weren't that bad. They need to improve their batting to compete at this level. Netherlands did run full members close but overall they would be very disappointed and that shows the level they have improved to in recent years. They would be disappointed not to get any wins over full members especially when they faced 3 teams all of whom they can beat on their day