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Talent Spotter : Hasan Ali

Good Pick. Should Bat at number 8.


Now is his Test. He is 5'9 i guess. Lets see if Agressive English Batsman can hit him on the up easily or they struggle.


Deserved Selection.

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IAJ said:
I am from Amra Kalan and you are right PCB needs to look at places around Mandi Bahauddin.

I am surprised that Zaka Ashraf who hails from that area didn't do much when he was chairman.
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What bro.. amra kalan? My parents are from the village punjan sher shahana. Funny to know that a poster here is close to that place .
 
Your views on Hasan Ali's debut performance?

To me I think he bowled decently without any luck perhaps I was expecting a bit more pace and bounce from him, I think he should definitely bowl with the new ball as clearly Gul is more effective than him with the semi new bowl.
 
Average. I wish we would look above our personal preferences and support/back individuals regardless of how we feel about them. Gul bowled better, swung the ball and was quicker. Him and Amir should be taking the new ball. Its obvious Gul has worked hard on his bowling.

Wahab should come in for Hasan. Hasan is young and he will develop but he isn't quite ready yet.
 
Thought he bowled the ideal length which is why he always looked like taking a wicket. He is good for these conditions and should get another go against Ireland.
 
He was good to the left handers but to right handers he wa bowling too short and wide the english team will feast on this kind of bowling.

As of right now
Amir
Gul
Wahab should start the first ODI against England.
 
Hasan looks a quality find. It is tough opening the attack but as said he will develop and no doubt in time will go onto become a fantastic player.
Pakprideuk said:
Average. I wish we would look above our personal preferences and support/back individuals regardless of how we feel about them. Gul bowled better, swung the ball and was quicker. Him and Amir should be taking the new ball. Its obvious Gul has worked hard on his bowling.

Wahab should come in for Hasan. Hasan is young and he will develop but he isn't quite ready yet.
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Pakprideuk said:
Average. I wish we would look above our personal preferences and support/back individuals regardless of how we feel about them. Gul bowled better, swung the ball and was quicker. Him and Amir should be taking the new ball. Its obvious Gul has worked hard on his bowling.

Wahab should come in for Hasan. Hasan is young and he will develop but he isn't quite ready yet.
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Gul swung the ball? :yk
 
SuperKhan said:
Hasan looks a quality find. It is tough opening the attack but as said he will develop and no doubt in time will go onto become a fantastic player.
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Yeah I'm not doubting that but he seemed to lack zip, bounce and movement today. I expected him to be of a higher quality but he isn't ready yet. There is no doubt that he will be a very good bowler but just isn't one yet. With England's strong batting line-up, I fear the worst for him. You don't want him being hit around the park, losing the game for Pakistan and then sidelined for years. Rather he sit on the bench and develop his bowling with the coaches and watch our main bowlers.
 
Hassan should be persisted with. He should be played in all ODI games vs England before any judgements could be made. Gul's real test will be against England.
 
Give the kid a break, it was his first match.


Jeez you lot have zero patience, did you expect Hasan to run up and bowl better than Waqar at his prime?
 
Bowled decent. He got a wicket I believe but it was not given. Seamed the ball both ways and bowled tight. Didn't have much zip or bounce though.
 
Pakprideuk said:
Yeah I'm not doubting that but he seemed to lack zip, bounce and movement today. I expected him to be of a higher quality but he isn't ready yet. There is no doubt that he will be a very good bowler but just isn't one yet. With England's strong batting line-up, I fear the worst for him. You don't want him being hit around the park, losing the game for Pakistan and then sidelined for years. Rather he sit on the bench and develop his bowling with the coaches and watch our main bowlers.
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What Sort of Zip & Bounce do you expect from a 5'9 Fast Medium skinny bowler ?
 
He actually bowled pretty well in my eyes! Got the ball to nip away from the left hander and had some close shouts, luck didn't go his way either.

He was bowling a bit too wide to the right handers but cut him some slack, it's his first game and he's like 22?
 
He has to improve his batting considerably, so that he can bat at 8. I don't think he can survive as No. 10 only with his bowling. At his height, when PAK won't be plying Ireland, on good ODI wickets, batsmen will start standing a foot out of poping crease, forcing him to shorten his length, which'll cost his swing.

There is another way of-course, but that could be a bit tougher - add about 25km with his pace, a bit of awkward bounce from shoulders, may be a deadly off-cutter as well so that he can emulate the other guy I had seen with similar height - Malcolm Denzil Marshall.
 
Well bowled.

However, might miss out against England simply because others have done better (assuming Gul keeps it up in the next ODI against Ireland).
 
asyed said:
Seriously bro, it puts smile on my face when I see expectation from many immature posters here.
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That 1 also Fell Apart completely.



Let's see where Zahid & Bilal Go. Though Zahid is only 5'8.



We have failed to Produce any Express Pacer after Shoaib because of Cricket not being an Industry in Pakistan which it should have been.




Hope Our Cricket doesn't fall apart like Squash.




Misbah & Waqar made massive contribution to Test squad. Believe me our domesric structure had nothing to make Us World Number 2 its Misbah's indivisual brilliance. I can't believe my eyes how He has grown as a Leader over the years.



Yaar Hum Ajeeb hein. Hum ne ajeeb dhamma chokrhee bichaee hui hai. Every year we hold Fast Bowlers Camp in search of New Talent. Next Year we hold any camp under another Sponsor and than throw those fellows.


Aesay fast bowlers buntay hein ?



Left Arm Malinga ko aik Fc match tak nai mila aor List A bhee nai.



Shoaib Akhtar was a Wehshee Bowler. Since his School days wo tou bhaagta he Zakhmi kerne k liye tha.it was inbuilt in him. He was a Nightmare in Tennis bowl. Whole Pindi feared him even in Tape Ball. Such characters are once in a generation.



But over the years we got some good talents but you need to give them some money to avail good running, swimming, gym facilities and to put in decent amount of Proteins. Than give them Decent trainer and fast bowling Coaches and refine their actions biomechanically. We hold 2 weeks Camp and than give them LolyPop

" Jaa Bacha Sky is Your Limit "



Look at England, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia. They have High Performance Centres which Act as Universities for Fast Bowlers. They work on so many areas for months even years. This does not happen at our place.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
That 1 also Fell Apart completely.



Let's see where Zahid & Bilal Go. Though Zahid is only 5'8.



We have failed to Produce any Express Pacer after Shoaib because of Cricket not being an Industry in Pakistan which it should have been.




Hope Our Cricket doesn't fall apart like Squash.




Misbah & Waqar made massive contribution to Test squad. Believe me our domesric structure had nothing to make Us World Number 2 its Misbah's indivisual brilliance. I can't believe my eyes how He has grown as a Leader over the years.



Yaar Hum Ajeeb hein. Hum ne ajeeb dhamma chokrhee bichaee hui hai. Every year we hold Fast Bowlers Camp in search of New Talent. Next Year we hold any camp under another Sponsor and than throw those fellows.


Aesay fast bowlers buntay hein ?



Left Arm Malinga ko aik Fc match tak nai mila aor List A bhee nai.



Shoaib Akhtar was a Wehshee Bowler. Since his School days wo tou bhaagta he Zakhmi kerne k liye tha.it was inbuilt in him. He was a Nightmare in Tennis bowl. Whole Pindi feared him even in Tape Ball. Such characters are once in a generation.



But over the years we got some good talents but you need to give them some money to avail good running, swimming, gym facilities and to put in decent amount of Proteins. Than give them Decent trainer and fast bowling Coaches and refine their actions biomechanically. We hold 2 weeks Camp and than give them LolyPop

" Jaa Bacha Sky is Your Limit "



Look at England, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia. They have High Performance Centres which Act as Universities for Fast Bowlers. They work on so many areas for months even years. This does not happen at our place.
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Very well said. I always look forward to your posts, never stop posting we need guys like you.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
That 1 also Fell Apart completely.



Let's see where Zahid & Bilal Go. Though Zahid is only 5'8.



We have failed to Produce any Express Pacer after Shoaib because of Cricket not being an Industry in Pakistan which it should have been.




Hope Our Cricket doesn't fall apart like Squash.




Misbah & Waqar made massive contribution to Test squad. Believe me our domesric structure had nothing to make Us World Number 2 its Misbah's indivisual brilliance. I can't believe my eyes how He has grown as a Leader over the years.



Yaar Hum Ajeeb hein. Hum ne ajeeb dhamma chokrhee bichaee hui hai. Every year we hold Fast Bowlers Camp in search of New Talent. Next Year we hold any camp under another Sponsor and than throw those fellows.


Aesay fast bowlers buntay hein ?



Left Arm Malinga ko aik Fc match tak nai mila aor List A bhee nai.



Shoaib Akhtar was a Wehshee Bowler. Since his School days wo tou bhaagta he Zakhmi kerne k liye tha.it was inbuilt in him. He was a Nightmare in Tennis bowl. Whole Pindi feared him even in Tape Ball. Such characters are once in a generation.



But over the years we got some good talents but you need to give them some money to avail good running, swimming, gym facilities and to put in decent amount of Proteins. Than give them Decent trainer and fast bowling Coaches and refine their actions biomechanically. We hold 2 weeks Camp and than give them LolyPop

" Jaa Bacha Sky is Your Limit "



Look at England, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia. They have High Performance Centres which Act as Universities for Fast Bowlers. They work on so many areas for months even years. This does not happen at our place.
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True, that's why we need functional academics to not only produce fast bowler, but also to work with existing bowlers.

Which is the ideal scenario for Junaid, he's dropped from the team so where should be go? This is where we're far, far behind than other playing nations.

We only rely on national talent.
 
asyed said:
True, that's why we need functional academics to not only produce fast bowler, but also to work with existing bowlers.

Which is the ideal scenario for Junaid, he's dropped from the team so where should be go? This is where we're far, far behind than other playing nations.

We only rely on national talent.
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If He wasn't in Pakistan He would have Sued Pcb for atleast 1 Million Dollars.


He had a Knee injury which required 6 weeks rest. The inept medical panel told him after 3 days rest that now you will do 7 days of Rehab and than You will be back in team. They failed to diagnose his injury despite MRI scan. After 1 week they went for an MRI and his knee had huge fluid accumulation due to that untimely Rehab. His injury worsened and he was out of cricket for many months.


When he came back every one said His pace has dipped and His Knees are over. Iskay Goday Khatam hogaey hein.



The Player and his Career suffered but no change was made in the medical department. You need Specialists in these Positions.


Off-late Junaid spent a Month at NCA but they say He is lacking Rhythm and Pace isn't back to previous Level so We cannot select him.



Yes Academies ate required. Hearing this from last 10 odd years but Slow Progress or No Progress.
 
Surf said:
Very well said. I always look forward to your posts, never stop posting we need guys like you.
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JazaakAllah for the Appreciation.

Curtains will Fall when there is Saturation.


Welcome to Pakpassion Home of Pakistan & World Cricket. Bring In more and more traffic :-)


Since how long You have been following my Posts ?
 
Bowled decently in his debut game. Looks like he has a bright future

Should be given a fair run in ODI's and if performs or looks like someone we should invest in keep him if not get someone else in like Amad.
 
how quick was he??? what about action and follow through smooth or congested ?? seam movement??
 
^looked around 130-137k with both ways seam movement, didn't get much bounce. Action was Okish not the smoothest around.
 
BTW its not a great sight when your most exciting pace prospect gets overshadowed by done and dusted old gun :( , hopefully he will be much better in the 2nd game.
 
Hasan Ali : Performance Watch

So far so good from him. Bowling in high 80's and beating the bat more often then not.
 
This guy is talented .
Has both swings .
Fast medium .
If he improves his control he can be a very good test match option.
 
It's quite unbelievable, all these years we kept giving chances to passengers like Umar Gul. Hassan is just 22 I think - consistently bowling 132kph to 140kph, and also moving the ball occasionally.

The pitch, conditions aren't conductive to swing, Amir not being able to generate swing either.

But looks like a good prospect, certainly much better than the likes of Ehsan Adil, Gul, Tanvir.

Didn't look like he can bat much though, with that shot today. :danish
 
Looks excellent so far. Better than most pacers we've introduced in recent years

In control of his line, and adjusted really quickly to the slope at Lord's after the first over

Surprising pace too, consistently in the high 80s
 
Always believed he can be a very good bowling prospect.

Seaming it quite well today on a dead pitch. There's no swing on offer either. Bowling between 132kph to 140kph.

However, batting didn't look that good today - the kind of shot he played was--- :danish Hope he can improve there.

Much better than duds like Ehsan Adil.
 
Seam movement is the hardest to play, As a batsmen you have no way to know the ball will move before it actually does.

Looks a very good prospect!
 
People were expecting Hassan to run up and bowl like Waqar at his prime.

He is a good prospect and definitely a step up from Gul
 
Very promising, but six inches too short to make it as an international bowler.

He needs to keep improving his bowling, but also to practice like a madman with his batting.

If he can get his batting good enough to average 40 in Tests and ODI's, he could bat at 7 - with Sarfraz at 6 - and be used as the fourth quick bowler.

It's a crucial role.
 
Looks good and he will only improve from here. Much better than Ehsan, Gul, Bhatti and Tanvir anyday
 
Junaids said:
Very promising, but six inches too short to make it as an international bowler.

He needs to keep improving his bowling, but also to practice like a madman with his batting.

If he can get his batting good enough to average 40 in Tests and ODI's, he could bat at 7 - with Sarfraz at 6 - and be used as the fourth quick bowler.

It's a crucial role.
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i hope this is saracasm

you are asking him to be one of pakistan's great allrounders


He has poteential with the bat but not as a guy with a 40 ave
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
i hope this is saracasm

you are asking him to be one of pakistan's great allrounders


He has poteential with the bat but not as a guy with a 40 ave
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It's his only chance to be an international cricketer.

He's 1.5 inches shorter than Dale Steyn and 2.5 inches shorter than Ryan Harris.

No quick bowler as short as Hasan Ali has succeeded in international cricket for over 80 years.

His only hope of a career is to improve his batting greatly, and be a genuine all-rounder.
 
Junaids said:
Very promising, but six inches too short to make it as an international bowler.

He needs to keep improving his bowling, but also to practice like a madman with his batting.

If he can get his batting good enough to average 40 in Tests and ODI's, he could bat at 7 - with Sarfraz at 6 - and be used as the fourth quick bowler.

It's a crucial role.
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Where did this idea of him.being an allrounder even.come from ??
 
Junaids said:
It's his only chance to be an international cricketer.

He's 1.5 inches shorter than Dale Steyn and 2.5 inches shorter than Ryan Harris.

No quick bowler as short as Hasan Ali has succeeded in international cricket for over 80 years.

His only hope of a career is to improve his batting greatly, and be a genuine all-rounder.
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Yes, should learn how to bat. His shot today was disturbing. :danish
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
i hope this is saracasm

you are asking him to be one of pakistan's great allrounders


He has poteential with the bat but not as a guy with a 40 ave
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ethan hunt said:
Where did this idea of him.being an allrounder even.come from ??
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He averaged 40 with the bat in England for Pakistan A last month.

The days of Pakistan selecting four Number 11's in the team need to end anyway. You need a Number 7 who can bowl and bat competently.
 
Junaids said:
He averaged 40 with the bat in England for Pakistan A last month.

The days of Pakistan selecting four Number 11's in the team need to end anyway. You need a Number 7 who can bowl and bat competently.
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Misleading average .
I dont think his scores were consistent .
Could have slogged a fifty .
He is not an allrounder at this stage so to expect him to average 40 plus in the future isnt realistic.
 
If shorter than 1 inche than dale styn then dmt worry he has got all the guts at this level plus seems to have good brain thats the key hope he can become a good bowler
 
Junaids said:
He averaged 40 with the bat in England for Pakistan A last month.

The days of Pakistan selecting four Number 11's in the team need to end anyway. You need a Number 7 who can bowl and bat competently.
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And you need at least one bowler, preferably two, who can excel with the ball. ie take 4fers. Hasan is among the best prospects.
 
sarmadsl said:
Whats his height ?
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He's 5 foot 9.

The shortest fast bowlers to succeed since World War 2 were:

Malcolm Marshall & Ryan Harris 5'11
Dale Steyn 5'10

Worryingly, Trent Boult at 5'11 was too short to succeed with a Red Kookaburra in Australia last year.
 
New Yorker said:
And you need at least one bowler, preferably two, who can excel with the ball. ie take 4fers. Hasan is among the best prospects.
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No, he's not a strike bowler prospect at all, not at 5'9.

Fast bowlers need to be as tall as goalkeepers. Do you know any 5'9 goalkeepers?

Hasan Ali can't make it as a bowler alone. He's far too short.
 
Junaids said:
Very promising, but six inches too short to make it as an international bowler.

He needs to keep improving his bowling, but also to practice like a madman with his batting.

If he can get his batting good enough to average 40 in Tests and ODI's, he could bat at 7 - with Sarfraz at 6 - and be used as the fourth quick bowler.

It's a crucial role.
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Our batsmen don't average that much. If he does that he will be an ATG All-rounder :))

If he can average 27-28 with the bat in ODIs he will be a very useful player provided he can hit sixes. But I am not sure how much potential he has with the bat though.
 
Junaids said:
No, he's not a strike bowler prospect at all, not at 5'9.

Fast bowlers need to be as tall as goalkeepers. Do you know any 5'9 goalkeepers?

Hasan Ali can't make it as a bowler alone. He's far too short.
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Dale steyn and Malcom Marshal are 5'9". I know there is no comparison but I'm just saying.
 
Junaids said:
He's 5 foot 9.

The shortest fast bowlers to succeed since World War 2 were:

Malcolm Marshall & Ryan Harris 5'11
Dale Steyn 5'10

Worryingly, Trent Boult at 5'11 was too short to succeed with a Red Kookaburra in Australia last year.
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I thought you saw Trent Boult in person and said he was closer to 5'9?
 
Junaids said:
He averaged 40 with the bat in England for Pakistan A last month.

The days of Pakistan selecting four Number 11's in the team need to end anyway. You need a Number 7 who can bowl and bat competently.
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difference between being able to bat well enough for the lower order and averaging 40
 
Junaids said:
No, he's not a strike bowler prospect at all, not at 5'9.

Fast bowlers need to be as tall as goalkeepers. Do you know any 5'9 goalkeepers?

Hasan Ali can't make it as a bowler alone. He's far too short.
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Hmm... facts vs Junaids.

He can't make it as a bowler alone, except he's top 3 ODI pacers in the country.
 
Junaids said:
He's 5 foot 9.

The shortest fast bowlers to succeed since World War 2 were:

Malcolm Marshall & Ryan Harris 5'11
Dale Steyn 5'10

Worryingly, Trent Boult at 5'11 was too short to succeed with a Red Kookaburra in Australia last year.
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He was also lacking his usual zip bowling at 130-135 which isn't gonna trouble anyone in Australia at under 6 foot.

At least Hasan Ali can bowl high 130s and was regularly touching 140 today
 
So much difference in the attitude of youngsters and older players. The former have hunger to perform and play with a positive and aggressive mindset. I would much rather have them than the old hacks who just go through the motions.
 
The only 85mph+ bowler in our country now who can seam it both ways , not sure about the intelligence of a person saying he can't make it as a bowler alone.
 
It's pretty funny how [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] just ups and asks Husain Ali to work on his batting and magically start averaging 40+

If it was so easy then why doesn't everyone do it lol
 
Boy has something in him probably beat bowler to make debut from pak after 2010
 
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