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Talent Spotter : Sameen Gul

Wow, what a terrible reply. Which one of Sohail, Imran, Shinwari can bowl quicker than him? And Sameen is at least 8-10 years younger than Sohail/Imran. No one can justify those selections. There's no way you select Imran and Sohail over Sameen and Ehsan.

bro, i have seen him play in PSL. he was just a medium pacer that had nothing to offer.

Maybe he has improved, i dont know. But when i saw him with Peshawar Zalmi, the guy had nothing to offer.

stats wise he looks good
 
bro, i have seen him play in PSL. he was just a medium pacer that had nothing to offer.

Maybe he has improved, i dont know. But when i saw him with Peshawar Zalmi, the guy had nothing to offer.

stats wise he looks good

PSL means nothing for Test cricket. This crap is what bringing down Pakistan cricket.

And as a fellow Misbah fan you really shouldld know this as Misbah himself is one who focused on tests.
 
PSL means nothing for Test cricket. This crap is what bringing down Pakistan cricket.

And as a fellow Misbah fan you really shouldld know this as Misbah himself is one who focused on tests.

yar, the thing about PSL is that it offers you to see the way a bowler bowls.

Now AKif Javed looked really good, statistics wise wasn't that great, and many bowlers aswell.

When i saw sameen gul, he was just running in and bowling, and it seemed he was just making yup numbers for the youth player that is required to play.

But that was an year ago, maybe i am wrong and he is a much much much better bowler. But anyone who saw him bowl back in 2019 psl, he was just not a good bowler.

I hope i am wrong
 
yar, the thing about PSL is that it offers you to see the way a bowler bowls.

Now AKif Javed looked really good, statistics wise wasn’t that great, and many bowlers aswell.

When i saw sameen gul, he was just running in and bowling, and it seemed he was just making yup numbers for the youth player that is required to play.

But that was an year ago, maybe i am wrong and he is a much much much better bowler. But anyone who saw him bowl back in 2019 psl, he was just not a good bowler.

I hope i am wrong

So Misbah is selecting players for Tests on the basis of PSL? This is quite alarming to hear.

Sameen Gul debuted in FC cricket 5 years ago but has played only 21 matches. He played 2, 6, 5, 5, 3 matches in each FC season. That is pathetic for a guy who has 88 wickets @ 16.8 so far.
 
Medium pacer

Are you sure?

Speeds I saw today for Sameen: 137, 137, 144, 141, 136, 143, 141, 134, 135, 139, 134, 136, 137, 135, 141.

Has improved his pace too. Regularly hits 140kph now.

Looking really impressive today as well, got Fakhar with a good delivery and bowled a beauty to beat Haris.
He is getting really nice shape back into the right handers at good pace of around 140 kph.

What a bowl to Sohail Akhtar and then eventually got him with another decent delivery in the same over. I think he should get chances in A tour. Quality talent we have our hands on.

Has got some FC experience as well and looks to be well prepared for international cricket if given a go. He can also swing the new ball and has enough pace of around 140 kph consistently to be effective in the middle and death overs as well.

Though definitely a lot of competition around.

Progress is key,

Consistently bowling at 140-142 kmh. Good areas as well!
 
So Misbah is selecting players for Tests on the basis of PSL? This is quite alarming to hear.

Sameen Gul debuted in FC cricket 5 years ago but has played only 21 matches. He played 2, 6, 5, 5, 3 matches in each FC season. That is pathetic for a guy who has 88 wickets @ 16.8 so far.
When Ehsan adil came into first class after u19, he was also doing good statistic wise, yet during his time in international he wasnt that good.

Sameen Gul was a medium pacer when i saw him bowl in PSL, now he might have improve, i dont know. But the last time i saw him he was a medium pacer. When i see him next time on tv only that could i give my opinion on him
 
Sameen gul should have been here instead of wahab the scatter gun riaz, sameen is a bowler who could help pakistan team in the long run in tests.
 
When Ehsan adil came into first class after u19, he was also doing good statistic wise, yet during his time in international he wasnt that good.

Sameen Gul was a medium pacer when i saw him bowl in PSL, now he might have improve, i dont know. But the last time i saw him he was a medium pacer. When i see him next time on tv only that could i give my opinion on him

But Sameen hasn’t played internationals yet… So because Ehsan Adil had a couple of bad matches, we should pick Imran Khan and Sohail Khan forever?

What exactly do you mean by medium-pacer? Yes, his pace was in the low-130s when he played PSL initially. He got it up to the high-130s when he last played and was hitting 90mph. Even if he bowls at 85mph, that’s plenty with his height (6’3”) if he has good skills with the red ball and knows how to get batsmen out.
 
But Sameen hasn’t played internationals yet… So because Ehsan Adil had a couple of bad matches, we should pick Imran Khan and Sohail Khan forever?

What exactly do you mean by medium-pacer? Yes, his pace was in the low-130s when he played PSL initially. He got it up to the high-130s when he last played and was hitting 90mph. Even if he bowls at 85mph, that’s plenty with his height (6’3”) if he has good skills with the red ball and knows how to get batsmen out.

by medium pacer i mean someone who is just non threatning and doesnt bowl that fast speed. Maybe now he has become better but will wait till i see him on tv matches.

Im not saying dont play ehsan adil, you are taking my comments really wrong.

Im saying, our domestic stats dont really show a good picture of bowlers.

Anyways, if the guy has improved from what i saw in 2019 than good for him i guess, might aswell play fro Pakistan A than
 
bro, i have seen him play in PSL. he was just a medium pacer that had nothing to offer.

Maybe he has improved, i dont know. But when i saw him with Peshawar Zalmi, the guy had nothing to offer.

stats wise he looks good

Then, he should have been double faster tracked to Test squad. This is one fundamental of cricket I wrote many times here and if you have contacts with Misbah, you can pass it to him:

Bowling philosophy in T20 and FC (Test) cricket is completely opposite. In T20, basically you are to bowl 24 balls at least cost, whatever wickets come is a bonus; therefore bowlers are forced to do all sorts of naughty things - constantly changing pace, line, length, grip .... and do staffs like cross seem, knuckle ball, reverse palm release, finger grip release ... what not. This destroys the fundamentals of any bowler, most to the young pacers. You don’t need to search for examples for this - follow Hasan Ali.

In Test cricket, you get batsmen out by working out - plugging out his scoring shots, restricting him on one side (off or leg), one foot (front or back foot), keeping him honest outside off and then bowl an effort ball as a surprise element. Here, the key is consistency - without a perfect stock ball that a bowler can bowl at least 4 times out of six in an over, he won’t create any pressure and unless batsmen are from same school, he won’t get them out.

Now, a good FC bowler should vulnerable in T20 cricket because he is easily available (for slogging) - as he should be bowling on enticing line & length, which is easily reachable (for bat swing). A great FC bowler like Hadlee will be extremely predictable for T20 as he could land 5 balls out within 6 inch of good length spot. The fundamental difference in two philosophy is that in FC game you want batsman to go after you, in T20 you want him to miss you - dot balls are king there.

The Sameen Gul I have seen in last Emerging Asia Cup, on those dead wickets of Mirpur with machine stitched white Kookaburra, he should have troubled the Pom openers with a red Dukes more than Abbas in first spell because of his 4-5” height and 10-12 K pace advantage, and would have been far more effective with older balls - now, he is not picked so I can’t prove anything. But, you pick players on his types and the conditions you are going to counter, not for what he did on a completely different game on a different surface.

This is like Hoja Nasiruddin’s logic - lost my ring in bedroom, but searching it in kitchen, because there is light in kitchen and bedroom is dark......
 
he is a decent and workable talent who isn't as striking like the other youngsters we now have. This is why he is getting fewer opportunities .
Should have definitely been on tour ahead of Imran ' useless trundler but buddies with Misbah' Khan.
 
Sameen would have benefitted from being on tour to England instead of has-beens like Wahab Riaz and Sohail Khan.
 
He was more than decent last I saw him and I would say an ideal replacement for Muhammad Abbas in coming years, better pace, better height and can move the ball both ways but may be not as much shape as Abbas indippers.
 
Averages 16 in first-class with the ball

Played 0 first-class games this season?!

He got unfit during the 3rd round of the QAE trophy earlier this month. Most probably not completely fit yet and thats why Mohammad Wasim Jnr played for the main XI of KPK in this round when he was lower in the pecking order.
 
Excellent figures of 3/54 in his first game this season for KPK versus Balochistan.
 
I don't understand why Musa is getting so many chances and Sameen is being ignored.Sameen is
best suited for tests but he may perform well in ODIs too since each bowler can bowl 10 overs
in ODI.
 
Perfect attributes for a test bowler. Bowls inswing, hits the deck hard, has the ability to seam it both ways. Decent height, high arm action, good pace (135-140, with the odd ball over 140). Much better test prospect than Naseem Shah.

Now I just hope he plays the rest of the domestic season and puts up some great performances.
 
Perfect attributes for a test bowler. Bowls inswing, hits the deck hard, has the ability to seam it both ways. Decent height, high arm action, good pace (135-140, with the odd ball over 140). Much better test prospect than Naseem Shah.

Now I just hope he plays the rest of the domestic season and puts up some great performances.

Correct. He is an ideal player for test condtions. Your Management ofcourse had other ideas. I feel sorry for you guys. Really hope he gets picked.
Ours is the same. All comes down to favoritism and who is more popular etc.

Kohli has his own gang
Shastri has his
Then you have the board members choices.
 
Perfect attributes for a test bowler. Bowls inswing, hits the deck hard, has the ability to seam it both ways. Decent height, high arm action, good pace (135-140, with the odd ball over 140). Much better test prospect than Naseem Shah.

Now I just hope he plays the rest of the domestic season and puts up some great performances.

Hopefully, he plays in one of the televised matches and i can see for myself.
 
Correct. He is an ideal player for test condtions. Your Management ofcourse had other ideas. I feel sorry for you guys. Really hope he gets picked.
Ours is the same. All comes down to favoritism and who is more popular etc.

Kohli has his own gang
Shastri has his
Then you have the board members choices.

We hype up pace too much. Naseem can bowl 145. Sameen can bowl 140. Most fans will be wowed by Naseem even though it's only a 5km/h difference. 5km/h isn't enough to out bowl a better bowler.
 
Sad to see Musa and Naseem get chosen over someone who is test match ready and putting in performances in domestic cricket.
 
Sad to see Musa and Naseem get chosen over someone who is test match ready and putting in performances in domestic cricket.

I must have missed it, I guess. From what I have seen he didn't play much this season or the last. A lot of hype around him but I don't get where it is coming from. Has he put out some amazing performances in FC?
 
I must have missed it, I guess. From what I have seen he didn't play much this season or the last. A lot of hype around him but I don't get where it is coming from. Has he put out some amazing performances in FC?
Been playing well for a few seasons, ideal attributes for test bowling, and has some FC experience..much better than your mediocre and overhyped Naseem who played 3 games and then gets fast tracked. :)))
 
I must have missed it, I guess. From what I have seen he didn't play much this season or the last. A lot of hype around him but I don't get where it is coming from. Has he put out some amazing performances in FC?

Averages below 17 in FC. Now yes he's played the majority of his FC games in the last domestic structure. But even last year, in the few FC games he played he was one of the top pacers.
 
He is good but I still belive Naseem is the best pace talent in the country who got fast tracked too quickly but we have to be patient and inshallah eventually he will be a superstar
 
I must have missed it, I guess. From what I have seen he didn't play much this season or the last. A lot of hype around him but I don't get where it is coming from. Has he put out some amazing performances in FC?

He has been performing in first class cricket. Has much more experience than Musa and Naseem. He definitely deserves a chance.
 
Correct. He is an ideal player for test condtions. Your Management ofcourse had other ideas. I feel sorry for you guys. Really hope he gets picked.
Ours is the same. All comes down to favoritism and who is more popular etc.

Kohli has his own gang
Shastri has his
Then you have the board members choices.

Lol what are you talking about. India's team selection is generally very good. Sometimes it lacks consistency but overall it is much better than Pakistan's.
 
Lol what are you talking about. India's team selection is generally very good. Sometimes it lacks consistency but overall it is much better than Pakistan's.

It does lack serious consistency.
Pakistan is just as bad.

My boy Gul needs to play.

Can someone write a petition to PCB board and get Junaid khan back in odi and test squad too?

Go look at his record. Junaid Khan play 6 games vs India. He won 4 of them and lost 2 albeit this was from 2013-2016 before Kohli became odi captain.

In tests he only played on Pattas. I would love to see Junaid in Australia. He has skills and good pace. His action has been fixed.
 
It does lack serious consistency.
Pakistan is just as bad.

My boy Gul needs to play.

Can someone write a petition to PCB board and get Junaid khan back in odi and test squad too?

Go look at his record. Junaid Khan play 6 games vs India. He won 4 of them and lost 2 albeit this was from 2013-2016 before Kohli became odi captain.

In tests he only played on Pattas. I would love to see Junaid in Australia. He has skills and good pace. His action has been fixed.

Junaid has been very bad in the domestics. So bad that he has been demoted to 2nd XI. Doubt he is coming back again.
 
It does lack serious consistency.
Pakistan is just as bad.

My boy Gul needs to play.

Can someone write a petition to PCB board and get Junaid khan back in odi and test squad too?

Go look at his record. Junaid Khan play 6 games vs India. He won 4 of them and lost 2 albeit this was from 2013-2016 before Kohli became odi captain.

In tests he only played on Pattas. I would love to see Junaid in Australia. He has skills and good pace. His action has been fixed.

The fact that you are backing a mediocre bowler like Junaid really makes everything you say about fast bowling desperately short on validity.
 
The fact that you are backing a mediocre bowler like Junaid really makes everything you say about fast bowling desperately short on validity.

mediocre ? how so? when was he given a chance outside dead wickets in asia? 18 out of 22 was on dead wickets. I rate junaid because i have seen his skillset. Just because he sucks in domestic doesnt mean he cant be good overseas. You pick players based on the conditions they excel in. This is something thats very difficult for asian teams to understand for some ungodly reason.
 
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Junaid has been very bad in the domestics. So bad that he has been demoted to 2nd XI. Doubt he is coming back again.

i understand that. for example rahane. he has poor stats in india but his overseas stats is actually quite impressive. juanid is the same in bowling. his skillset allows him to be more effective overseas compared to asia.
 
mediocre ? how so? when was he given a chance outside dead wickets in asia? 18 out of 22 was on dead wickets. I rate junaid because i have seen his skillset. Just because he sucks in domestic doesnt mean he cant be good overseas. You pick players based on the conditions they excel in. This is something thats very difficult for asian teams to understand for some ungodly reason.

You dont understand fast bowling if you believe that a guy who cant swing the bowl and bowls in the early 130's can be successful anywhere.

The Junaid you saw in 2013 was a different bowler.
He was bowling upwards of 140 kph and used to get seam movement due to:
1) His momentum transfer and body strength being clearly better at the time.

2) He had a slight kink in his elbow which gave him the fizz and deviation of the wicket. Anybody who bowls and has had a strong wrist action or seen someone who chucks, knows about that fizz that I am talking about.

On #2; after the crackdown on fast bowling actions in 2014, he tried to alleviate that kink and for a good time his pace really went down.
He has tried to reintroduce it but now his body strength and co-ordination is no longer there for him to benefit from it.
 
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You dont understand fast bowling if you believe that a guy who cant swing the bowl and bowls in the early 130's can be successful anywhere.

The Junaid you saw in 2013 was a different bowler.
He was bowling upwards of 140 kph and used to get seam movement due to:
1) His momentum transfer and body strength being clearly better at the time.

2) He had a slight kink in his elbow which gave him the fizz and deviation of the wicket. Anybody who bowls and has had a strong wrist action or seen someone who chucks, knows about that fizz that I am talking about.

On #2; after the crackdown on fast bowling actions in 2014, he tried to alleviate that kink and for a good time his pace really went down.
He has tried to reintroduce it but now his body strength and co-ordination is no longer there for to benefit from it.
i must be thinking of the bowler i saw in 2014. i still feel he was hard done by. he was a star in 2017. The crackdown on action must have really affected him i suppose.
 
i understand that. for example rahane. he has poor stats in india but his overseas stats is actually quite impressive. juanid is the same in bowling. his skillset allows him to be more effective overseas compared to asia.

Junaid's issue is fitness-related as well, so cant really just play him and hope for the best. I don't think it's about the action as much as it is due to him being over bowled in UAE wickets that led to an injury that he never truly recovered from.
 
He is good but I still belive Naseem is the best pace talent in the country who got fast tracked too quickly but we have to be patient and inshallah eventually he will be a superstar

I agree with you he did get fast tracked but we need to back him i like him alot
 
The fact that you are backing a mediocre bowler like Junaid really makes everything you say about fast bowling desperately short on validity.

He wasnt mediore then if he had the backing amir had he woukd be twice the baller amir was obviously his time has gone thou
 
Sameen gets 2 wickets in 2 balls on his return to the PSL for Peshawar!
 
How Musa leapfrogged Sameen will always be a mystery to me.

As someone who has followed his career from U19 days, it's unbelievable that he still hasn't made it to the main Pak team and average bowlers have leapfrogged him.

Zia-ul-Haq and Sameen had real potential and they have been thoroughly mismanaged.
 
How Musa leapfrogged Sameen will always be a mystery to me.

As someone who has followed his career from U19 days, it's unbelievable that he still hasn't made it to the main Pak team and average bowlers have leapfrogged him.

Zia-ul-Haq and Sameen had real potential and they have been thoroughly mismanaged.

Quite a few pacers have leapfrogged in front of him without much justification especially in test format while he averages 18 in FC cricket in 25 FC matches. Yes he didnt set the reformed QAE on fire but was decent and anyone who has seen him knew he has decent longer formats length.
 
It looks like this guy can be our solution to our new ball woes
 
Sameen gets 2 wickets in 2 balls on his return to the PSL for Peshawar!

His double strike:

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He seems about 5-6 mph quicker bowling in T20 cricket than his pace for KPK in the QEA Trophy last year, when he was barely managing to touch 80 mph on average.
 
I saw him for the first time live during the QEA Trophy and while he was bowling a fuller length - it looked gentle 75mph fare.
 
Both his wickets today were with the ball slanting in. Pakistan bowlers don't seem to bowl outswingers in general, and that makes them relatively easy to play.
 
Sameen's opening spell in this PSL 6 final has been superb. Masood and Rizwan barely have a clue.
 
Excellent figures of 3/20 in 4 overs for Sameen against Balochistan for CP

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He's a good bowler man, He should've got more chances in the National T20 Cup. Would have been a handful in UAE.
 
He has an excellent seam but he looks to be overweight by around a stone. If losses the fat, he will get that extra zip of the pitch.
 
A very crucial season for this guy; I think he is bowling extremely well right now. He has looked very potent with the new ball in the National T20 cup and has been excellent with the control of his line and length. He also has a menacing bouncer.

Alongwith Ihsanullah, he was the standout fast bowler in the National T20 cup. He should be topping the bowling charts in the upcoming Quaid-e-Azam trophy; if he does that surely he should be very close to making the test squad/A-team.
 
This guy should be our third seamer in test cricket alongside Naseem and Shaheen with M.Waseem being 4th if in SENA conditions.
 
This guy should be our third seamer in test cricket alongside Naseem and Shaheen with M.Waseem being 4th if in SENA conditions.

his latest in Nat T20

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If he can improve his fitness then he should definitely be opening the bowling for Pakistan.
 
Southern Punjab pacer Sameen Gul registers figures of 5-84 against Balochistan to record his sixth first-class five-wicket haul
 
Given the dearth in Pakistan's pace bowling options, perhaps it's time to give this guy a go.
 
After 3 rounds of QEA Trophy, Sameen Gul is 3rd on the leading wicket-takers list with 13 scalps at 17.76, though 8 came in one innings.

I don't see him making the Australia tour as most of the established names are missing from the QEA Trophy this year either through the World Cup or the Asian Games. But if he performs in the Departmental FC tournment surely he finds a place in the Pakistan Test squad with Naseem's long-term injury ?

On a side note - very good call @Xoib. Many wrote off Naseem in his first year.

He is good but I still belive Naseem is the best pace talent in the country who got fast tracked too quickly but we have to be patient and inshallah eventually he will be a superstar
 
After 3 rounds of QEA Trophy, Sameen Gul is 3rd on the leading wicket-takers list with 13 scalps at 17.76, though 8 came in one innings.

I don't see him making the Australia tour as most of the established names are missing from the QEA Trophy this year either through the World Cup or the Asian Games. But if he performs in the Departmental FC tournment surely he finds a place in the Pakistan Test squad with Naseem's long-term injury ?

On a side note - very good call @Xoib. Many wrote off Naseem in his first year.
Thanks M.
I believe he’s closest thing to Dale Steyn in international cricket since he retired unfortunately the Pakistani player mindset of being a T 20 mercenary and play in every gully mohalla league may lead him to never reach his complete potential
 
He should seriously be looked at for WTC. Stats are excellent. Performances have been good. He is just waiting for a chance to show his quality. His bowling style would suit Australia too.

He is not quick but he is accurate, gets decent bounce and can shape the ball. He can bowl long spells. Worst case he can be the work horse type bowler who will still have a role to play.
 
SBP's Sameen Gul secured figures of 3/18 against PTV on the first day of the President's Trophy 2023-24.
 
Sameen Gul stars for FATA against Dera Murad Jamali, guiding his side to a dominant innings and 129-run victory in the second round of the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy 2024.

1st Innings: 2/74
2nd Innings: 5/59
 
Ghani Glass' Sameen Gul (5/14) secures his 9th First-Class five-wicket haul on Day 1 of the fourth round of the President's Trophy 2025 against OGDCL.
 
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