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Talent Spotter : Shadab Khan

Whatta Find. Some exquisite bowling performance.
And now making his bat talk.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
not yet but he bowls at a good pace and hits it clean, definitely a player there
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Pakistan should really look after Amaad. He IS international quality imo. Being an actual FAST bowling all rounder, He can be a test match prospect if developed well.
 
Madplayer said:
Pakistan should really look after Amaad. He IS international quality imo. Being an actual FAST bowling all rounder, He can be a test match prospect if developed well.
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I think tests are a couple years away, needs to be a better bowler for that, but i dont think he is far from ODI's and t20s

The likes of Faulkner and Russel are the kind of people i would want him to emulate. He already bowls faster than them, but needs to add some brains and tricks


I do agree we really need to look after him and not abandon him. Domestic Cricket is awful to all round prospects
 
Is he actually quality or just excited because of a couple of good performances?

Haven't seen anything to comment, asking for some opinions. He's a leggie AR who can bat a bit?
 
Ilan Bluestone said:
Is he actually quality or just excited because of a couple of good performances?

Haven't seen anything to comment, asking for some opinions. He's a leggie AR who can bat a bit?
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Had made good account for himself with the bowl throughout the tournament but didn't get a chance to bat before today.

Today came in with the team run rate at less than 6, with 5 or 6 wickets down and around 80 on the board of 13 overs. First steadied the ship by picking singles and doubles and finding gaps then in the end smashed a few good boundaries to score 42 off 20 odd balls. Excellent innings.
 
Ilan Bluestone said:
Is he actually quality or just excited because of a couple of good performances?

Haven't seen anything to comment, asking for some opinions. He's a leggie AR who can bat a bit?
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its the skills he has shown


When its comes to bowling he has an oustanding googly

In batting he was easily getting singles and running hard. When it came to hitting he showed he had both clean hits but also could improvise like ramping the ball for 6
 
Just looks better and better doesn't he.

Looks a fine talent. Hopefully he will be handled properly and his talent allowed to develop.
 
Saj said:
Just looks better and better doesn't he.

Looks a fine talent. Hopefully he will be handled properly and his talent allowed to develop.
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Think Mickey Arthur will do well with him.
 
he was the best player today, batted and bowled the best for Islu a team of Retired players
 
The lad has it all, just hope that money and expectations dont destroy a real talent. Usama Mir is decent but not in the league of this young man, i hope both develop to push each other to world heights.
 
Bewal Express said:
The lad has it all, just hope that money and expectations dont destroy a real talent. Usama Mir is decent but not in the league of this young man, i hope both develop to push each other to world heights.
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I like Usama a lot but the reality is Shadab, as a complete package, is in a league of his own, Usama is far from him in terms of overall ability of Bat, Ball and fielding combined.
 
He struggled against the short balls today, but that is expected from a youngster and particularly if they are Asian.

Something to work on and I'm sure he will only get better on that front.

Overall, very impressed with his bowling and batting .
 
Small sample size but very decent stats

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Just seen the very brief highlights on cricinfo. Shadab seems to have bit of something about him. Bit of the eye of the tiger I think. I think he should be fast-tracked don't condemn him to purgatory of pakistan domestic. Take him on tours with senior team.
 
It will good for Pakistan to include some youngsters in National team for WI tour including Shaadab Khan , Fakhar zaman , Ruman Raees and Amir yamin. It will be a good test for all these players at international arena.
 
Needs to be fast-tracked into the team. All this talk of players being "too raw" is a load of crap, in my opinion. Sachin Tendulkar was 16 when he was brought into the team. Not everyone is Sachin Tendulkar but that doesn't mean they can't succeed.
 
What I really impressed about him is that hes got some serious power in his shot even his mistime shots were clearing the ropes.
 
muhammad saad said:
What I really impressed about him is that hes got some serious power in his shot even his mistime shots were clearing the ropes.
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That's because the rope were only 55 m away LOL


But yes you are right, he is a strong lad and should be in the side ASAP
 
Rayyman said:
I doubt he is stronger than Sarfraz Ahmed, Mohammad Hafeez, Imad Wasim and Shoaib Malik. :D

It's just that these players are selfish and Shadab is not.
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He is 19. You can't expect him to be very strong at that age. Perhaps a couple of years from now he will be stronger.
 
Madplayer said:
He is 19. You can't expect him to be very strong at that age. Perhaps a couple of years from now he will be stronger.
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Yes, you have given an excellent clue to Inzamam. Now, Shadab can work on his muscles for few years, while Inzi will keep MoHa in team till 2020.

At 14, our Ashraful (actually around 17), 5'2"; 55kg - lofted a Srilankan spinner over Mirpur sight screen in a club match before being called to A team. These power, experience, muscle ... are absolute bull sh!t, just to protect the MoHas & Ajmals & Guls & Misbahs & .... to keep them in team. More than power, cricket (batting) is a game of reflex, hand - eye coordination, eye sight, timing & balance - it's universally true that at 20, you are physically in better shape than a 40 years old in those attributes.

Kick those oldies out and bring Shadab, Mir, Asghar, Saud, Saad, Sameen, Mudassar, Fahim, Gohar ............. and play them in real match - 3 months' time they'll have the experience & best part of 20 years to build on their skills. These kids will understand in a month or two of International cricket, what they'll need to do to survive there for a decade - those who can live up to that level will survive, others will be replaced by next batch.

After 1/2 decades being there, now MoHa, Misbah, Afridi, YK...... know what they need to do to drag their career for few more months - hence we come to ideas like settling score with Styen, retiring on high, proper sent off, being selfless ........

Forget Shadab, Usama or Gohar has better celling now than MoHa ...... with bat.
 
MMHS said:
Yes, you have given an excellent clue to Inzamam. Now, Shadab can work on his muscles for few years, while Inzi will keep MoHa in team till 2020.

At 14, our Ashraful (actually around 17), 5'2"; 55kg - lofted a Srilankan spinner over Mirpur sight screen in a club match before being called to A team. These power, experience, muscle ... are absolute bull sh!t, just to protect the MoHas & Ajmals & Guls & Misbahs & .... to keep them in team. More than power, cricket (batting) is a game of reflex, hand - eye coordination, eye sight, timing & balance - it's universally true that at 20, you are physically in better shape than a 40 years old in those attributes.

Kick those oldies out and bring Shadab, Mir, Asghar, Saud, Saad, Sameen, Mudassar, Fahim, Gohar ............. and play them in real match - 3 months' time they'll have the experience & best part of 20 years to build on their skills. These kids will understand in a month or two of International cricket, what they'll need to do to survive there for a decade - those who can live up to that level will survive, others will be replaced by next batch.

After 1/2 decades being there, now MoHa, Misbah, Afridi, YK...... know what they need to do to drag their career for few more months - hence we come to ideas like settling score with Styen, retiring on high, proper sent off, being selfless ........

Forget Shadab, Usama or Gohar has better celling now than MoHa ...... with bat.
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+1 to this.

We are going nowhere with Misbah, Hafeez, Iftikhar, Zulfiqar Babar and Junaid.etc
 
MMHS said:
Yes, you have given an excellent clue to Inzamam. Now, Shadab can work on his muscles for few years, while Inzi will keep MoHa in team till 2020.

At 14, our Ashraful (actually around 17), 5'2"; 55kg - lofted a Srilankan spinner over Mirpur sight screen in a club match before being called to A team. These power, experience, muscle ... are absolute bull sh!t, just to protect the MoHas & Ajmals & Guls & Misbahs & .... to keep them in team. More than power, cricket (batting) is a game of reflex, hand - eye coordination, eye sight, timing & balance - it's universally true that at 20, you are physically in better shape than a 40 years old in those attributes.

Kick those oldies out and bring Shadab, Mir, Asghar, Saud, Saad, Sameen, Mudassar, Fahim, Gohar ............. and play them in real match - 3 months' time they'll have the experience & best part of 20 years to build on their skills. These kids will understand in a month or two of International cricket, what they'll need to do to survive there for a decade - those who can live up to that level will survive, others will be replaced by next batch.

After 1/2 decades being there, now MoHa, Misbah, Afridi, YK...... know what they need to do to drag their career for few more months - hence we come to ideas like settling score with Styen, retiring on high, proper sent off, being selfless ........

Forget Shadab, Usama or Gohar has better celling now than MoHa ...... with bat.
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You are talking about gift of timing which Ashraful had and it seems Shadab has too. But that is different than sheer power of a gayle or a pollard. I was saying shadab, at 19, could have the gift of timing but you cant expect him to be a powerful hitter like gayle who could muscle the ball out of the park. He is too young for that.

Also I didnt say that he shouldn't be selected. Imo He should be in the LOI team as a leggie first and then as a batsman.
 
MMHS said:
Yes, you have given an excellent clue to Inzamam. Now, Shadab can work on his muscles for few years, while Inzi will keep MoHa in team till 2020.

At 14, our Ashraful (actually around 17), 5'2"; 55kg - lofted a Srilankan spinner over Mirpur sight screen in a club match before being called to A team. These power, experience, muscle ... are absolute bull sh!t, just to protect the MoHas & Ajmals & Guls & Misbahs & .... to keep them in team. More than power, cricket (batting) is a game of reflex, hand - eye coordination, eye sight, timing & balance - it's universally true that at 20, you are physically in better shape than a 40 years old in those attributes.

Kick those oldies out and bring Shadab, Mir, Asghar, Saud, Saad, Sameen, Mudassar, Fahim, Gohar ............. and play them in real match - 3 months' time they'll have the experience & best part of 20 years to build on their skills. These kids will understand in a month or two of International cricket, what they'll need to do to survive there for a decade - those who can live up to that level will survive, others will be replaced by next batch.

After 1/2 decades being there, now MoHa, Misbah, Afridi, YK...... know what they need to do to drag their career for few more months - hence we come to ideas like settling score with Styen, retiring on high, proper sent off, being selfless ........

Forget Shadab, Usama or Gohar has better celling now than MoHa ...... with bat.
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Spot on, might initially struggle, but they will learn in heaps and bounds by being thrown into the deep end. Rather than being average (if we can even call our ODI form that) I would rather we are poor in the short term but build for the long term.
 
mmhs said:
yes, you have given an excellent clue to inzamam. Now, shadab can work on his muscles for few years, while inzi will keep moha in team till 2020.

At 14, our ashraful (actually around 17), 5'2"; 55kg - lofted a srilankan spinner over mirpur sight screen in a club match before being called to a team. These power, experience, muscle ... Are absolute bull sh!t, just to protect the mohas & ajmals & guls & misbahs & .... To keep them in team. More than power, cricket (batting) is a game of reflex, hand - eye coordination, eye sight, timing & balance - it's universally true that at 20, you are physically in better shape than a 40 years old in those attributes.

Kick those oldies out and bring shadab, mir, asghar, saud, saad, sameen, mudassar, fahim, gohar ............. And play them in real match - 3 months' time they'll have the experience & best part of 20 years to build on their skills. These kids will understand in a month or two of international cricket, what they'll need to do to survive there for a decade - those who can live up to that level will survive, others will be replaced by next batch.

After 1/2 decades being there, now moha, misbah, afridi, yk...... Know what they need to do to drag their career for few more months - hence we come to ideas like settling score with styen, retiring on high, proper sent off, being selfless ........

Forget shadab, usama or gohar has better celling now than moha ...... With bat.
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potw
 
Just watching Usama and comparing him with Shadab leaves me in doubt that Shadab is way ahead of Usama. Shadabs leg spinner is sharply spun, Usama's barely turned.
 
This guy is amazing .
Just the way he played his first 2 deliveries off the spinners caught my eye .
Potential superstar if he keeps developing in this awful system .
 
Man this guy has so much potential.

The onus is on him to make use of the talent he possesses and put in the hard yards. He should also be cognizant of the fact that there have many cricketers who have also been supremely talented but they fell by the wayside since they started resting on their laurels.


Shadab Khan should be very close to a national call-up. He needs to grab his chance with both hands.
 
Madplayer said:
You are talking about gift of timing which Ashraful had and it seems Shadab has too. But that is different than sheer power of a gayle or a pollard. I was saying shadab, at 19, could have the gift of timing but you cant expect him to be a powerful hitter like gayle who could muscle the ball out of the park. He is too young for that.

Also I didnt say that he shouldn't be selected. Imo He should be in the LOI team as a leggie first and then as a batsman.
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Obviously, someone at 25 will be much stronger than at 19 - but, there are players who are talented enough even at 75% physical capacity better than a full grown-up man. Outside cricket take some ATGs - Pele was WC's best player at 17, Maradona would have won it at 17 had he not been injured, there are Tennis No. 1 at teen age, Kobe was NBA's All Star at 19 ... Take this kid Anthony Davis, at 19, 6'10", he dominated NBA as a power forward - obviously at 25, he is going to crash some bones!!!

Here my point was regarding delaying Shadab couple of years to grow muscles. Obviously a stronger player is better, but already he is better than what is available, therefore no need to delay him for a natural course, which will happen in due course of time. Unless he wastes himself, he should add another few KGs of muscles, may be grow couple of CMs & his ligaments, bones will get stronger. Ideally, with experience in a full grown body, by 23 he should be among the best players around.

Learning has a high correlation with age & the learning curve is exponential in few key years. From sports to sports, it varies, but in general 16 to 23 is the best years for a fast development. For cricket, it's between 18 to 21, may be sometimes, couple more years for batsmen or spinner. A player, debuted at 29 (genuine) might perform well, but his ceiling is measured - he won't shift into a different level, rather he'll out perform his usual when in form. One of the main reasons PAK team hasn't moved in last couple of decades because of delaying talented players.

I give few classic examples from PAK team itself. Abdur Razzak was drafted in PAK team at 17 - obviously, he wasn't 17 then, my hunch is he was around 20-21. Now, debuting in Dec 1997 at No. 11 & 5th bowler, this same Razzak was MOS in 2 years time at WSC against that AUS & IND side, where 3 participants had at least 25 ATGs in their squad & these 3 teams made the WC finals either side of that 1999-00 WSC. Razzak was the 1st change bowler of an ATG attack & he batted perfectly to the role at 3 in UK & at 7 in Asia. That was phenomenal raise in career in less than 2 years - one reason is that Razzak was an outstanding talent; but the key was that he was drafted at the right age, under right people. By 19, he had the fundamentals covered - couple of years into that at highest level & his development was exponential. I can bet that had he been allowed to gain experience or muscles for couple more years, he might not even made the PAK squad by 2000.

Razzak might be an exceptional talent, but lets take few other such examples - Saqline was 19 (21) when he debuted in Oct'94. In 2/3 years time, he replaced Warne as arguably world's best LO spinner. Asif was around 20 (22) when he debuted in AUS & I was disgusted with his quality - apart from 6'4" height, he had nothing as a pacer. He went missing for a year until Woolmer polished him & by 2007, just about 2 years after debut, he was unbelievably good; almost I couldn't have identified that this was the same bowler debuting at SCG couple of years back. I can bring Amir here as well - won a WC at 17 in June 2009, may be 1/2 years in it; within a year, he won couple of Tests against top sides in world, almost single handed. And, I won't bring Imran's example here as I have written enough on that. Same can be said for Waquar, who from a modest start in 1989, became world's most feared pacer in a year or 2.

PAK has a rich tradition of unleashing bowlers, therefore this my be a cultural issue. Let's take the example of some recent batsmen, debuting at early age. Md. Wasim debuted at 18/19 with a duck & a hundred in 1996 - in 3 months time, he found himself as the No. 3 in WSC against 2 of the fiercest pace attacks around & he was instrumental in PAK winning the WSC, despite never ever playing in AUS before. Imran Nazir was 17 at debut, I take 2/3 years in it - within 2 years of debut, he played 2 of the best innings in recent PAK cricket - 131 at Barbados & a run a ball 80 at Gabba (a match that is famous for Sohaib, but Nazir set up the win). YK was 21 (24) on debut, in 3/4 years time, he finished a series in IND with 500+ runs at 90 ...

The key here is the learning curve - identify talented players at right age & give them exposure of International cricket at highest level at the time when they can absorb fast - may be, one out of 2 or 3 will survive, but whoever survives should go long, long, may be for 15 years, because of their talent & their proper grooming at right age. This is actually most applicable for PAK, because of lack of proper domestic grooming - hardly anyone will learn anything from domestics, rather their natural skills will get rusty.

Take the example of AUS - they have the best system & the competition is at highest level for a spot in that Aussie squad - still in last 20 years, they have debuted several players at 20-21, even at 19, with very few domestic games. What PAK is doing in last 10-12 years won't produce better than MoHas & Imran Khans ....... their learning curve has ended long before they started for PAK, therefore MoHa can take 10 more years to improve his flaws, still he'll be laughing stalk in front of 10 years older Styen.

If I were in charge, I would have instructed Inzi categorically to bring LO teams average age to 23 & Test team's 25 - if required, use a chain saw, or face sacking from a highly paid & coveted jobs around in Countries where Test cricket is played.
 
Major said:
overused his googly last night
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Yeah , I too noticed that. He needs to gain more control on his stock delivery and use it more often. If he uses googly too much like the last match he will become predictable.
 
Should be in the limited over squad of pakistan team touring west indies.

Sharjeel khan
Shehzad
babar
Malik
Sarfraz
Akmal
Shadab
Imad
Sohail Khan
Amir
Shinwari

Hussain talat
Fakhar
Rumman Raees
Wahab riaz
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
its the skills he has shown


When its comes to bowling he has an oustanding googly

In batting he was easily getting singles and running hard. When it came to hitting he showed he had both clean hits but also could improvise like ramping the ball for 6
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I don't want to get excited, but everyone is talking about him now as being an eye turner.

I won't get excited though. Happens too often. Will have to wait until I see at least 20 international innings.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Should be in the limited over squad of pakistan team touring west indies.

Sharjeel khan
Shehzad
babar
Malik
Sarfraz
Akmal
Shadab
Imad
Sohail Khan
Amir
Shinwari

Hussain talat
Fakhar
Rumman Raees
Wahab riaz
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Cheeky way of putting Sharjeel there :afridi
 
Him and Asghar are the two most exciting talents to have emerged in the two seasons of PSL. A bit disappointed that both are spinners though, it's been two years but we are yet to see a young batsman who looks ready to make the step up to international cricket.
 
in last 6 years I have tipped three players to become superstars
Sarfi --> as captain and as a package
Babar --> as odi bat
Haris --> as test bat

I think Shadab is a potential superstar as allrouder .. just needs to see a bit of him in internationals now, hopefully he cope with the pressure

Potential is certainly there, hopefully he works hard and stay focused.. come on boy!
 
Ilan Bluestone said:
I don't want to get excited, but everyone is talking about him now as being an eye turner.

I won't get excited though. Happens too often. Will have to wait until I see at least 20 international innings.
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20 intl innings against bd lanka afgh and wi wont give as useful as his performance in eng for champions trophy(if he is played)

Honestly, lots of asian players turn out average when they play outside asia. But whoever performs in aus sa nz/ eng, is someone who can truly be called a classy player.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kumar Sangakkara "that little boy Shadab Khan from Islamabad United is a very very impressive young talent" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL2017?src=hash">#PSL2017</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IUvKK?src=hash">#IUvKK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/835950940855414784">February 26, 2017</a></blockquote>
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SarfiBabarHaris said:
in last 6 years I have tipped three players to become superstars
Sarfi --> as captain and as a package
Babar --> as odi bat
Haris --> as test bat

I think Shadab is a potential superstar as allrouder .. just needs to see a bit of him in internationals now, hopefully he cope with the pressure

Potential is certainly there, hopefully he works hard and stay focused.. come on boy!
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you joined in feb 2017. How do we know that you tipped those players. Sarfi cannot be called a superstar. Above average imho

Regards
 
Mamoon said:
Him and Asghar are the two most exciting talents to have emerged in the two seasons of PSL. A bit disappointed that both are spinners though, it's been two years but we are yet to see a young batsman who looks ready to make the step up to international cricket.
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] I was looking forward to Khushdil from PZ but they did not play him instead even went for someone like Iftikhar.

Anyways Shadab looks pretty good batsman as well, Gifted timer.
 
Think he is a lock-in for the T20 squad for the WI tour. Getting too much adulation from all quarters, will be difficult for Inzamam to ignore.
 
Hamzakhalid said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] I was looking forward to Khushdil from PZ but they did not play him instead even went for someone like Iftikhar.

Anyways Shadab looks pretty good batsman as well, Gifted timer.
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He should replace Hafeez now. Can't do worse.
 
haha you dont need to know :p

btw Sarfi as wicketkeeper batsman and captain will be a superstar ..

Pakistan has lost so many matches because of bad leadership .. even in the 90s when we had a world class team but there was infighting and politics in the team
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
in last 6 years I have tipped three players to become superstars
Sarfi --> as captain and as a package
Babar --> as odi bat
Haris --> as test bat

I think Shadab is a potential superstar as allrouder .. just needs to see a bit of him in internationals now, hopefully he cope with the pressure

Potential is certainly there, hopefully he works hard and stay focused.. come on boy!
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Babar will be a superstar in all formats. Haris, if fit will be our second best Test and ODI player. Sarfraz can never be a superstar as a package because that includes his keeping and he is a below average keeper and just a decent batsman. Brilliant captain though
 
Muhammad10 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kumar Sangakkara "that little boy Shadab Khan from Islamabad United is a very very impressive young talent" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL2017?src=hash">#PSL2017</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IUvKK?src=hash">#IUvKK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/835950940855414784">February 26, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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He actually mentioned this without being asked.
 
Get this lad on a flight to West Indies! Should be permanent in LOI as front line spinner with Imad Wasim as the other spinner . .

Ian Bishop said something very thought provoking in commentary today . . "extremely important to take care of him! to not let this moment of success(es) get to him . . he will plateau soon . . and thats when the hard yard begins . . "

Well said Mr. Bishop! That's been an enormous issue with Pakistani cricketers . . for me the biggest reason why Umar Akmal and AHmed Shehzad have been overall failures is because they haven't gotten the work ethic and eagerness to keep learning, keep evolving, keep growing as the absolute top players do!

Dean Jones, his coach also said . . "Great talent . . a lot to be excited about . . but hold your horses . . he is young! He is Raw! He is got a long way to go! "

This boy . . needs to keep goign! find a good mentor . . keep your feet on the ground . . learn every day . . work your backside off!

You are a potential superstar!! Good on you!
 
Hamzakhalid said:
Do you think they'll pick him in the play offs?

Hafeez is gone, Looks totally shot.
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Don't know, might not be 'experienced' enough for the play-offs. Zalmi's selection has been very poor this season. They have the best squad IMO but they have been all over the place in terms of picking players. They are yet to find what their best combination is and have been riding on a few excellent individual performances from Kamran, Morgan and Afridi. As a team, they have yet to click.
 
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