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Team management should decide now if Shoaib Malik and/or Mohammad Hafeez will play the 2019 ODI WC

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Malik is 35 years old so he will be 37 years old at the time of 2019 ODI WC.

Hafeez is 36 years old so he will be 38 years old at the time of 2019 ODI WC.

Inzi + Arthur + Sarfraz should decide now if Malik and/or Hafeez will play the 2019 ODI WC. And they should not let anybody else from PCB or outside of PCB, make this decision for them.
 
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Time is up for Shohaib Malik I think . Should take retirement and go out on a high . He is a clever guy I am sure he is contemplating his retirement now.
 
We need to add another aggressive opener with Fakhar and have a proper batsman in middle order. Drop hafeez and malik.
 
For those hating Malik, he was still the most comfortable batsman out there. Just bcuz he wasnt able to apply himself doesnt mean that his time is up. He is still needed to guide young talent.

However one of them and imad can sit out. I'll choose between Hafeez or Imad. Too many bits n pieces cricketers are in XI.
 
Hafeez is still a very utility allrounder. Can play pace too, which Malik can't.

Both need to go but get rid of Malik first.
 
Both are extremely fit and performs here and there and win you matches single handedly so as long they want to play they'll play.
 
Both need to go. No reason to have 38 year olds in a World Cup squad. We all saw what happened last time when 35+ players bat outside of the SC. Replace them ASAP because they will perform against SL in Oct. and book their spots for another two years.
 
Malik and Hafeez should go now and leave on a high. Malik can still play in the PSL helping upcoming talents in Karachi Kings. No point in staying and stopping other talent emerging, although they are athletic a time must come to leave.
 
Replace Shohaib for Umar Akmal Hafeez can bat at 6 . Umar Akmal at 3.
 
Replace Shohaib for Umar Akmal Hafeez can bat at 6 . Umar Akmal at 3.

Why bring Umar Akmal in. What's wrong with giving fresh talent like Sahibzada Farhan a chance instead of retrying players who've hardly had an impact.
 
For those hating Malik, he was still the most comfortable batsman out there. Just bcuz he wasnt able to apply himself doesnt mean that his time is up. He is still needed to guide young talent.

However one of them and imad can sit out. I'll choose between Hafeez or Imad. Too many bits n pieces cricketers are in XI.


But he has a poor average in England and in tournaments

He isn't going to do well in the WC, still I think he should be in the side because since his comeback, he has been doing well, just bottles it in the tournaments.

Hafee
 
For those hating Malik, he was still the most comfortable batsman out there. Just bcuz he wasnt able to apply himself doesnt mean that his time is up. He is still needed to guide young talent.

However one of them and imad can sit out. I'll choose between Hafeez or Imad. Too many bits n pieces cricketers are in XI.

No hate, just indifference. We have coaches to guide talent. Players need to perform and if Malik doesn't his time is up. Hafeez can be useful coming in at 40th over, but if we just want power hitters Faheem could do a better job I wager. The prof's bowling is barely useful these days. From his last 12 ODIs against top sides he has 1 wicket to show. 'Containing' at 4.5 RPO isn't good enough.
 
What about "both"?

More or less 35 years of combined load of experience - 2 more years, that experience ka bozh will reach 40 ..... somewhere it has to end.

Why not as the Champions of world?
 
Just to add - now financial isn't a major issue. Both can get a Cat A contract from PSL for another 2/3 years; both has potential in media; both can play in T20 leagues as freelancer; both can earn from endorsements......
 
Time to go for both. Its perfect scenario. They have won the championship. They should go with respect. Specially One day Team as we need to build a team for 2019. Different guys and different combinations need to tried out. This is the perfect time to introduce 2 or 3 new guys so they can grow with team.
Guys like Saif Badar, Saud Shakeel, Hussain Talat, Umar Amin, Sahibzada Farhan.
 
A respected journalist told me after the lanka match in Cardiff that Malik's time is up. Inzi ain't gonna select him again.

But I find it hard to believe tbh.
 
Time for both to be phased out. The younger guys coming into the team have proved their worth with their performances. We cannot afford to have these guys blocking a potential strong middle order which Malik and Hafeez really isn't.

We need to start inducting players for the middle order so we're ready by the time 2019 WC comes. I would also add Azhar Ali to the list as he will be 34. Let's not wait till players are into their late twenties before getting them in.
 
Both should go. But not that against Malik sticking around till the 2019 WC. I think he will retire after that.
 
One of them should stay, probably Hafeez as he's the better bowler. His role in the team needs to change though. If he drops down the order, works on his SR as a hitter/accelerator he's still handy and probably better than Imad.
 
Malik has been such a team player in the past year that it doesn't feel right to pressure him into retirement.

But truth be told, he doesn't really provide much value to the team anymore. Momentum is there to keep pumping new talent into the team

Hafeez has some value if he's used correctly. No 6 batsmen and second spinner after Shadab. He may be able to play till 2019
 
Don't think you can drop both at the same time. It would be too many changes, too suddenly.

They need to be gradually taken out of the team, but for the time being are needed.
 
one thing is both of these guys are very experienced players. Shoaib Malik has played 252 ODIs while Mohammad Hafeez has played 190 ODIs.

If you drop both of them then there is nobody who has played even 100 ODIs. The next most senior players are Ahmed Shehzad (79 ODIs), Sarfraz (75 ODIs), Junaid Khan (62 ODIs) and Azhar Ali (50 ODIs). Can Pakistan afford to go with such an inexperienced team?
 
one thing is both of these guys are very experienced players. Shoaib Malik has played 252 ODIs while Mohammad Hafeez has played 190 ODIs.

If you drop both of them then there is nobody who has played even 100 ODIs. The next most senior players are Ahmed Shehzad (79 ODIs), Sarfraz (75 ODIs), Junaid Khan (62 ODIs) and Azhar Ali (50 ODIs). Can Pakistan afford to go with such an inexperienced team?

What is the point of there experience ?

Experience for experiences sake is useless

This win was driven by our young players , they now have experience that most Pakistani cricketers don't
 
If i had to chose one it would be Hafeez.

Like I said in another thread it speaks volumes when the captain goes to Fahkar to complete an over rather then Malik or Hafeez. He even continues with Fakhar for a few overs when he could easily have thrown the ball to either one of our experienced all rounders.
 
Malik I hv been saying it for years isn't a batsman who you can depend on against bigger teams. I thought he would have done better against India but he disappointed once again. Since he is not bowling any more I just can't see how he adds any value. Hafeez on the other hand is a very useful bowler but the only way I would play him is if he is willing to bat in the lower middle order. If he is in the top 4 he is a waste.
 
I wanted Hafeez to go after the Champions Trophy with playing retiring after the World Cup, but both of them have a great opportunity of retiring on a high, by winning Pakistan's first ODI trophy in 25 years. It will also allow us to give two younger players time to settle in before the World Cup.
 
Hafeez is still a very utility allrounder. Can play pace too, which Malik can't.

Both need to go but get rid of Malik first.

This is what I was gonna say at number 5/6 he can still be a good player. Malik needs to go.
 
Malik ought to retire. He offers nothing to the team at this point.. I'm sure an enthusiastic, patriotic young man, rearing to go for his nation can easily replace Malik; whom currently has the energy and vibe of a pensioner.
 
Both should given a farewell match ideally against Namibia or Papua New Guinea we should build for future and remain stagnant PCT should work on one point agenda "Continuous Improvement"

Replace Malik n Hafeez immediately with Harris and Fahim and add aspiring youngsta's to bench

Team for next ODI

Fakhar
Azhar
Babar
Haris
Sarfraz
Nawaz
Fahim
Shadab
Amir
Hassan
Junaid

This should be the team

Bench Talat Imad Rumman (any promising youngsta)
 
For those hating Malik, he was still the most comfortable batsman out there. Just bcuz he wasnt able to apply himself doesnt mean that his time is up. He is still needed to guide young talent.

However one of them and imad can sit out. I'll choose between Hafeez or Imad. Too many bits n pieces cricketers are in XI.

the youngsters should be guiding Malik. Sorry but they have sarfraz and mickey to guide them. they dont need defeatists like Malik. Time for him to retire..
 
the youngsters should be guiding Malik. Sorry but they have sarfraz and mickey to guide them. they dont need defeatists like Malik. Time for him to retire..

Sarfraz is afraid to bat up, let alone guiding others. They do need one in the middle. Malik can be one given if he start performing in future games and keep it decent till 2019 WC.
 
But he has a poor average in England and in tournaments

He isn't going to do well in the WC, still I think he should be in the side because since his comeback, he has been doing well, just bottles it in the tournaments.

Hafee

England is not the only place to play cricket. He's okay in WI. If he doesnt do well for long then we can kick him out for sure, but not right now.

No hate, just indifference. We have coaches to guide talent. Players need to perform and if Malik doesn't his time is up. Hafeez can be useful coming in at 40th over, but if we just want power hitters Faheem could do a better job I wager. The prof's bowling is barely useful these days. From his last 12 ODIs against top sides he has 1 wicket to show. 'Containing' at 4.5 RPO isn't good enough.


Coaches dont stay in middle. Hafeez is not going to do wonders in every innings. We can only keep one of Imad, Hafeez and Malik (Maybe 2 if track's spinning or opposition is weak against spin/dart)
 
In the field it seemed that Sarfraz doesn't had much confidence on Malik n Hafeez and from the outset it looks that. Sarfraz is trying to build his own young team but ATM playing Malik n Hafeez is his majboori
 
Both should given a farewell match ideally against Namibia or Papua New Guinea we should build for future and remain stagnant PCT should work on one point agenda "Continuous Improvement"

Replace Malik n Hafeez immediately with Harris and Fahim and add aspiring youngsta's to bench

Team for next ODI

Fakhar
Azhar
Babar
Haris
Sarfraz
Nawaz
Fahim
Shadab
Amir
Hassan
Junaid

This should be the team

Bench Talat Imad Rumman (any promising youngsta)

Not sure what Nawaz has done to deserve a game.
 
Time for both to be phased out. The younger guys coming into the team have proved their worth with their performances. We cannot afford to have these guys blocking a potential strong middle order which Malik and Hafeez really isn't.

We need to start inducting players for the middle order so we're ready by the time 2019 WC comes.
I would also add Azhar Ali to the list as he will be 34. Let's not wait till players are into their late twenties before getting them in.

Exactly- phasing new players in is crucial. Regardless of form, it's time we started looking to the future if we want to be real contenders in 2019. So let's start giving new players exposure ASAP. That way, even if Hafeez/Malik are still around in 2019 we have youngsters waiting in the wings if/when they fail. Otherwise, we will be unfairly chucking new players in at the deep end.
 
England is not the only place to play cricket. He's okay in WI. If he doesnt do well for long then we can kick him out for sure, but not right now.




Coaches dont stay in middle. Hafeez is not going to do wonders in every innings. We can only keep one of Imad, Hafeez and Malik (Maybe 2 if track's spinning or opposition is weak against spin/dart)

Malik is not playing as a true allrounder, he's a specialist bat and is in competition with players like Haris for his spot. I understand that it may be nice to have a senior like him around but he can't be in the XI as a coach. He needs to be in position to perform with the bat better than someone like Haris, not now, but two years from now. I'd rather groom someone new and so does Mickey I am sure.
 
Don't want to see neither of them starring in the playing XI of WC19.

People try to make a case for them and say we need a combination of young and experience. I point out that if we will include the youngsters today in two years they would have enough experience and will be mature enough.

Forcing a youngster to debut in a big tournament like CT as we did Fakhar is called failed planning. No one is asking to suddenly give debut caps to a team full you gester on the eve of WC19.

We will never know what we have as resources if we never give them a chance.

Fakhar's story should be a big eye opener and food for thought.
 
Sarfraz is afraid to bat up, let alone guiding others. They do need one in the middle. Malik can be one given if he start performing in future games and keep it decent till 2019 WC.

one question, when did you start watching cricket? Malik hasnt guided anybody in the national side in 18 years..Sarfraz did it in four matches..so please dont come on here and pretend you know what your talking about when it comes to things like this. world cup and champions trophy winning captain vs has been who hadnt made a score above 40 in nearly half a decade...
 
Only one of them can be in the plans. As Malik does not bowl anymore, Hafeez can stay in the team as a number 7 as he can bowl as well.

2 years to try who can replace Malik: Sharjeel, Umar A, Harris S, Sahibzada Farhan....
 
All of them need to go now. Azhar isn't suited for ODIs . They should start with this line-up from here on.

1 Fakhar.
2 Sharjeel / Farhan.
3 Babar.
4 Haris.
5 Sarfaraz.
6 Shadab.
7 Fahim.
8 Imad.
9 Amir.
10 Hassan.
11 Junaid.
_______________.
12 Rumman.
13 Rizwan.
14 Tallat.
15 Agha.
 
I would probably keep Malik around due to his fielding ability and how good his comeback has been into the national team. Also it would also give time to groom and blood Hussain Talat who could be his successor in the national team.
 
Hafeez. Malik is good against Spin and is a good team man (at least now), Hafeez though is a better hitter, and better against pace.

Hafeez could play the No. 6 role, with license to go berserk. Hafeez was awesome coming 1 down during 2012-2014 in T20s. Shows he can start attacking from the word GO.
 
Both are fighting for number 6 spot. So at the time whoever is hitting the fast bowlers better should be selected for the match.. both of them are going to be in the squad.
 
How is this even a question?

Malik's just getting a free ride - and fans/selectors don't learn their lesson. You don't want him in any team unless you're playing Zimbabwe or WI.

34 is Malik's average against the top 5 teams in the last 2 years.

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~45 is Hafeez's average against the top 5 teams in the last 2 years.


Hafeez's spin bowling hasn't even been counted yet, which is one of the best in the world AND he's a top ranked allrounder by the ICC.

Also next WC is in England where Malik is guaranteed to fail, like in the last 17 years. Can't put bat on ball against pace bowling.
 
malik :- playing since the age of dinosaurs but still not able to get his average to 40 and strike rate to 90 and cannot perform in big games

hafeez :- playing for decades and like malik has failed to get world class stats by now. another player who cannot deliver in big games

the question is why don't we kick them our already. we have seen what new players bring and how much talent we have at our disposal
 
How is this even a question?

Malik's just getting a free ride - and fans/selectors don't learn their lesson. You don't want him in any team unless you're playing Zimbabwe or WI.

34 is Malik's average against the top 5 teams in the last 2 years.

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~45 is Hafeez's average against the top 5 teams in the last 2 years.


Hafeez's spin bowling hasn't even been counted yet, which is one of the best in the world AND he's a top ranked allrounder by the ICC.

Also next WC is in England where Malik is guaranteed to fail, like in the last 17 years. Can't put bat on ball against pace bowling.

Great stats could you please find some stats for me..
Try Maliks performance in the Matches Pak won and then the matches where we lost.
And Hafeez performance in the matches Pak won. And then lost.
Against top 5.

Because some people say that hafeez doesn't perform in the matches we win.
 
I don't think a decision is necessary. Obviously Malik and Hafeez will have to perform out of their skins to hold down a place now that we have three very good batsmen in the side that their numbers have to stack up against.

Hafeez seems like a player on the wane, and simply just feels altogether a bit average now. His contribution isn't as high as it was even if he was making a few less runs with the bat on average, preferred when he could be relied on to bowl 10 overs, the whole point of him was the fact he could make it in batsman or bowler, and didn't sacrifice the place of a batsman for a bowler. Was a great utility player/allrounder for us, now he's just merely an average batsman. He's nothing more than a part timer now, and even that he's a bit unreliable. Not to mention he looks shaky as a batsman, reflexes down, I'm not sure I expect him to hold down his place with the bat.

Malik coming back to the team 2 years ago with time not on his side had to perform from the word go. Seems to have done that average wise, but bit disappointed he failed when it mattered in CT, and I'm not sure we can rely on his bowling either (though he was never the standard Hafeez was with the ball). When guys like Babar are averaging 50, he'll have to keep those numbers up. The comforting things about him is that he looks in form at the crease unlike Hafeez, and he had decent series against Australia and England which was encouraging. I get the calls for people wanting him dropped given he was an average bat for most of his career, however if he can perform to the level he's performed last two years or so against strong sides and ideally in tournaments too not like this one where he failed, he could be worth a shot.

Hand on my heart if I have to choose, I have more faith in Malik being an asset in 2019 than Hafeez despite Hafeez being a far more integral player to our side since 2009.

Atm though they probably aren't the first people I'd cut from the side, the first would be Azhar dropped for Haris. This whole thing of having an anchor we've tried it before and it's failed (with Azhar himself lol). If you can't play your shots and accelerate in LOI, it just doesn't work. Guys like Babar (and Haris if he comes back) perform the same role but score more consistently at a faster pace. When you need to score at SR of 70 Azhar's great, he negotiates difficult conditions/new ball better than anyone else, but more often than not we need to score faster than that, and we can not plan our batting based around the reliance for the bowling to always bottle out the team for low scores. Just not a positive LOI batting approach and will never lead to a development of a strong batting side. I hoped Azhar might be able to add more value as a bowler, perhaps even relied to bowl 10 overs, but that doesn't seem the case, don't think he qualifies as even part time anymore, and is probably our 8th choice in a team of 11 in terms of go to guys to bowl.
 
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