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The Anti-Taliban movement in Afghanistan - will it succeed?

For the sake of peace in Afghanistan, it will be for the best if Panjshir falls. The Afghan people have been fighting for the last 40 years and they deserve peace, and not another civil war.

People should also remember that this resistance is being led by the son of a warlord. In fact he is a warlord himself, since he controls the valley. Their are no good guys here.

To be honest, even the ones who were part of the govt were warlords.

The likes of Dostum and Hekmatyar.

Massood himself was no angel either as his forces were involved in killing civilians back in the 90s.

However, the massood group had always been someone what of the good guys as they allowed freedom to exist in the parts they controlled.
 
If Pnajshir has been captured than i really feel sorry for Afghanistan. The country is going to be doomed now that the whole country comes under the control of the Taliban.

Panjshir valley was probably the only hope for the Afghanis.

In reality Panjshir Valley bacame a pocket of insurgency against the rest of Afghanistan, and all they ever really contributed was to become an agency for endless proxy wars. I doubt you could show me any images of the valley which showed much progress since the last 20 years compared to the rest of Afghanistan.

Afghanistan is a medieval society where a medieval culture reigns supreme. Arming warlords or foreign backed mercenaries is not the answer.
 
Taliban, opposition fight for Afghan holdout province

US General Mark Milley warned of a "civil war" if Taliban fail to consolidate power

Taliban and opposition forces battled on Saturday to control the Panjshir Valley north of Kabul, the last Afghan province holding out against the militant group, as the top US general warned of a "civil war" if Taliban failed to consolidate power.

Both sides claimed to have the upper hand in Panjshir but neither could produce conclusive evidence to prove it. The Taliban, which swept through the country ahead of the final withdrawal of US.-led forces this week, were unable to control the valley when they ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001.

Taliban spokesman Bilal Karimi said the districts of Khinj and Unabah had been taken, giving Taliban forces control of four of the province's seven districts.

"The Mujahideen (Taliban fighters) are advancing toward the centre (of the province)," he said on Twitter.

But the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan, grouping forces loyal to local leader Ahmad Massoud, said it surrounded "thousands of terrorists" in Khawak pass and the Taliban had abandoned vehicles and equipment in the Dashte Rewak area.

Front spokesman Fahim Dashti added "heavy clashes" were going on.

In a Facebook post, Massoud insisted Panjshir "continues to stand strongly." Praising "our honourable sisters", he said demonstrations by women in the western city of Herat calling for their rights showed Afghans had not given up demands for justice and "they fear no threats."

US General Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, underscored the tenuous situation.

"My military estimate is, is that the conditions are likely to develop of a civil war. I don't know if the Taliban is going to be able to consolidate power and establish governance," Milley said.

Speaking to Fox News from Ramstein Air Base in Germany, Milley said if they cannot that will "in turn lead to a reconstitution of Al Qaeda or a growth of ISIS or other myriad of terrorist groups" over the next three years.

Emergency, an Italian medical aid organisation, said Taliban forces had pushed further into the Panjshir Valley on Friday night, reaching the village of Anabah where the group has medical facilities.

"We have received a small number of wounded people at the Anabah Surgical Centre," Emergency said in a statement, adding that many people fled in recent days.

It was not immediately possible to get further independent confirmation of events in Panjshir, which is walled off by mountains except for a narrow entrance.

Celebrations


Celebratory gunfire resounded in Kabul on Friday as reports spread of the Taliban's takeover of Panjshir. News agencies said at least 17 people were killed and 41 hurt.

Pakistan's spy chief Lieutenant General Faiz Hameed flew into Kabul on Saturday.

In Kabul, Taliban fighters broke up a demonstration by about a dozen women urging the group to respect women's rights to education and jobs, according to private broadcaster Tolo news.

Read ISI chief visits Kabul to meet Taliban leadership


Footage showed women confronted by armed militants covering their mouths and coughing, and one demonstrator said the fighters had used tear gas and tasers against the participants, who had been carrying banners and a bouquet of flowers.

"They also hit women on the head with a gun magazine, and the women became bloody," said a demonstrator who gave her name as Soraya.

The Taliban imposed violent punishments and barred women and older girls from school and work when previously in power, but have sought to present a more moderate face this time.

Government next week

A Taliban source said the announcement of a new government would be pushed back to next week.

Taliban co-founder Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, reported by some Taliban sources to be in line to lead the new government, said in remarks on Qatar's Al Jazeera channel that the new administration will include all factions of Afghans.

"We are doing our utmost efforts to improve their living conditions. The government will provide security, because it is necessary for economic development," he said.

Some signs of normality returned to Kabul.

Qatar's ambassador to Afghanistan said a technical team was able to reopen Kabul airport to receive aid, according to Al Jazeera, which also cited its correspondent as saying domestic flights had restarted.

The airport has been closed since the United States on Aug. 30 completed US-led evacuations of more than 120,000 US citizens, other foreigners and Afghans deemed at risk from the Taliban, and withdrew the last of its troops.

The Taliban's main spokesman, Zabihullah Mujahid, also said one of the main foreign exchange dealers in Kabul had reopened.

Afghanistan's economy has been thrown into disarray by the Taliban's takeover. Many banks are closed and cash is scarce.

The United Nations said it will convene an international aid conference on Sept. 13 to help avert what UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres called a looming humanitarian catastrophe.

Western powers say they are prepared to engage with the Taliban and send humanitarian aid, but that formal recognition of the government and broader economic assistance will depend on action - not just promises - to safeguard human rights.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2318728/taliban-opposition-fight-for-afghan-holdout-province
 
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taliban-say-they-have-entered-capital-holdout-afghan-region-2021-09-05/

The leader of the Afghan opposition group resisting Taliban forces in the Panjshir valley north of Kabul said on Sunday he welcomed proposals from religious scholars for a negotiated settlement to end the fighting.

Ahmad Massoud, head of the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan (NRFA), made the announcement on the group's Facebook page. Earlier, Taliban forces said they had fought their way into the provincial capital of Panjshir after securing the surrounding districts.

The Islamist Taliban took control of the rest of Afghanistan three weeks ago, taking power in Kabul on Aug. 15 after the Western-backed government collapsed and President Ashraf Ghani fled the country.

"The NRF in principle agree to solve the current problems and put an immediate end to the fighting and continue negotiations," Massoud said in the Facebook post.

"To reach a lasting peace, the NRF is ready to stop fighting on condition that Taliban also stop their attacks and military movements on Panjshir and Andarab," he said, referring to a district in the neighbouring province of Baghlan.

A large gathering of all sides with the Ulema council of religious scholars could then be held, he said.

Earlier, Afghan media outlets reported that religious scholars had called on the Taliban to accept a negotiated settlement to end the fighting in Panjshir.

There was no immediate response from the Taliban.

Massoud, who leads a force made up of remnants of regular Afghan army and special forces units as well as local militia fighters, called for a negotiated settlement with the Taliban before the fighting broke out around a week ago.

Several attempts at talks were held but they eventually broke down, with each side blaming the other for their failure.

Taliban spokesman Bilal Karimi said earlier on Sunday that their forces had fought their way into the provincial capital Bazarak and had captured large quantities of weapons and ammunition.

Panjshir, a rugged valley in the mountains north of Kabul that is still littered with the wreckage of Soviet tanks destroyed during the long war in the 1980s to oust the Soviet presence, has proved very difficult to overcome in the past.

Under Massoud's late father, Ahmad Shah Massoud, the region long resisted control by both the invading Soviet army and by the Taliban government that previously ruled from 1996 to 2001.

But that effort was helped by supply routes leading north to the border, which were closed off by the Taliban's sweeping victory last month.

The Panjshir fighting has been the most prominent example of resistance to the Taliban. But small individual protests for women's rights or in defence of the green, red and black tricolour flag of Afghanistan have also been held in different cities.
 
Taliban control 6 out of 7 district of Panjshir , also Taliban fighters have entered in Ahmed Shah masood home, which is empty .....
and indian media is still spreading B$ about so called resistance gains on the ground ..... Lol
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Was in Panjshir earlier today, Taliban have made rapid progress with the district of Shottul and Anaba being in their control - The Gate/Entrance to Panjshir which had pictures has another look - Pic from left is when i was there a month back, second pic from today. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Afghanistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Afghanistan</a> <a href="https://t.co/bOO8PVYymA">pic.twitter.com/bOO8PVYymA</a></p>— Anas Mallick (@AnasMallick) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnasMallick/status/1434564298907561987?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Kabul: Ahmad Massoud, the leader of the resistance forces in Afghanistan's northeastern province of Panjshir, on Sundays said resistance forces are ready to cease fighting and start negotiations if the Taliban leave the province, Sputnik reported on Sunday.

"The national resistance forces are ready to immediately stop the war to achieve a lasting peace if the Taliban cease their attacks and military operations in Panjshir and Andarab, and hope to hold a large meeting with scholars and reformers, and continue discussions and talks," Massoud said in a statement posted on Facebook on Sunday.

Further, Ahmad Massoud added that the National Resistance Front suggests that the Taliban halt its military operations in Panjshir, Andarab, Parwan and Kapisa and withdraw its forces from Panjshir and Andarab. The National Resistance Front, on the other hand, will direct its forces to refrain from military action.

The Panjshir Valley lies in the Hindu Kush mountains, approximately 90 miles north of Kabul. The Taliban have been unable to take this major holdout of resistance after steamrolling across pro-government troops in a matter of months.

The war over Panjshir province escalated from Friday night.

Massoud added that the National Resistance Front is committed to peacefully resolving differences with the Taliban in accordance with the principles of religion and morality.

The front is confident that the future system of the country will work with the Taliban and other groups and sects representing the Afghan people. "It is important to reach an understanding that all groups and layers of the country are in the mirror of their brotherhood and that they are committed to the cause of stability and stability," the statement noted.

https://www.timesnownews.com/intern...dy-for-talks-if-taliban-leave-province/808109
 
The Panjshir has fallen,
the scm Saleh have escaped to Tajikistan, jr masood is hiding in mountains, Taliban fighters are searching for him.
 
The Panjshir has fallen,
the scm Saleh have escaped to Tajikistan, jr masood is hiding in mountains, Taliban fighters are searching for him.
There are civilian residents and intellectuals of Panjshir on Twitter claiming that Pakistan is involved in aerial bombardment of Panjshir. If true, this would be devastating news for Pakistan.

Journalists are trying to gather the facts. For instance:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BREAKING</a>: Kamaluddin Nezami, governor of Panjshir told me via satellite phone that today their positions were bombed by drones several times.</p>— Tajuden Soroush (@TajudenSoroush) <a href="https://twitter.com/TajudenSoroush/status/1434626750227615744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Taliban spokesman says a Pakistani drone attack on Panjshir is completely false.</p>— Tajuden Soroush (@TajudenSoroush) <a href="https://twitter.com/TajudenSoroush/status/1434634163974443009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
There are civilian residents and intellectuals of Panjshir on Twitter claiming that Pakistan is involved in aerial bombardment of Panjshir. If true, this would be devastating news for Pakistan.

Journalists are trying to gather the facts. For instance:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BREAKING</a>: Kamaluddin Nezami, governor of Panjshir told me via satellite phone that today their positions were bombed by drones several times.</p>— Tajuden Soroush (@TajudenSoroush) <a href="https://twitter.com/TajudenSoroush/status/1434626750227615744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Taliban spokesman says a Pakistani drone attack on Panjshir is completely false.</p>— Tajuden Soroush (@TajudenSoroush) <a href="https://twitter.com/TajudenSoroush/status/1434634163974443009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


How would civilian residents be able to identify that drones were from Pakistan? Does the average homeowner in Panjshir possess a telescope same way a a civilian anywhere else would possess a sofa?
 
How would civilian residents be able to identify that drones were from Pakistan? Does the average homeowner in Panjshir possess a telescope same way a a civilian anywhere else would possess a sofa?
Valid questions. I don't know. I am assuming that they are deducing based on observation, e.g.: Did we get hit by drones? If yes, who has the capacity to run drone operations in the region? Why is the Taliban denying this report on behalf of the Pakistanis? And why is the ISI chief in Kabul right now?

Another question would be, on what basis should we disregard the multiple reports from residents of Panjshir?

All valid questions. Let's see what observers and journalists are able to uncover, if anything.
 
Valid questions. I don't know. I am assuming that they are deducing based on observation, e.g.: Did we get hit by drones? If yes, who has the capacity to run drone operations in the region? Why is the Taliban denying this report on behalf of the Pakistanis? And why is the ISI chief in Kabul right now?

Another question would be, on what basis should we disregard the multiple reports from residents of Panjshir?

All valid questions. Let's see what observers and journalists are able to uncover, if anything.

How would average residents of Panjshir Valley be able to ask questions like any of those without input from an exterior source? Do they all possess drone spotting software or fast speed telescopes?
 
How would average residents of Panjshir Valley be able to ask questions like any of those without input from an exterior source? Do they all possess drone spotting software or fast speed telescopes?
Your questions have a tone of sarcasm which indicates that you have already made up your mind.

Of course they don't "all" possess drone spotting software. Is this your criteria for proof? Do they "all" need to possess such equipment in order for the reports to be true? This is an unreasonably high standard for truth, don't you think?

The point is that there are claims of aerial bombardment. You can make of the claims whatever you want. I will reserve judgement until there is some kind of evidence. At the moment, there is a fog of war due to restrictions on communications.

Regardless, I hope we both can agree that we wish Pakistan is not involved in any operations inside Afghanistan whatsoever. I think such operations would be deemed illegal under Pakistani law since they were not approved by parliament.
 
Taliban have raised their flag in Panjshir governor house

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">پنجشیر فتح مکمل <br>طالبان نے کلمے والا پرچم پنجشیر کے گورنر ہاؤس پر لہرا دیا<br>نعرہ تکبیر اللہ اکبر کے نعرے، مسلمانوں کی مبارکباد <a href="https://t.co/SiXQOCboQc">pic.twitter.com/SiXQOCboQc</a></p>— افغان اردو (@AfghanUrdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/AfghanUrdu/status/1434789531979587585?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The Taliban have taken complete control of Panjshir province, the last area in Afghanistan being held by resistance forces, the group's spokesman, Zabihullah Mujahid, said on Monday.

Pictures on social media showed Taliban members standing in front of the gate of the Panjshir provincial governor’s compound.

Mujahid informed of the victory in Panjshir in a tweet, stating that, “The last stronghold of the mercenary enemy, Panjshir province, was completely conquered.”

The Taliban also released a video of them hoisting their flag on the Governor’s house in Panjshir. In another video commander of the Badar force – that led the fight against the Panjshir rebellion –, Maulvi Hidayatullah Badar could be seen assuring the local commanders that they were forgiven, and will never be trialled or executed. “Feel free to roam around the country,” he could be heard saying in the video.

According to reports, Taliban fighters could not win complete victory in Panjshir hence, the Badri Bridge was called in along with suicide attackers break the Panjshiri defensive lines.

It is after 43 years that the Massoud family has lost control of this remote valley.

'Country will be completely out of war'

Following the victory, Zabihullah Mujahid in a statement maintained that “With the help of Almighty God and the support of our people, the latest efforts towards complete security in the country have also yielded results and Panjshir province has come under the complete control of the Islamic Emirate.”

He added that some of the insurgents in the province were defeated while the rest fled, “freeing the oppressed and honourable people of Panjshir,” he said.

Mujahid said: “We assure the people of Panjshir Sharif that they will not be discriminated against in any way, they are all our brothers; we will serve together for one country and one goal.”

“With this victory and last effort, the rest of the country will be completely out of the war and our country will have a peaceful and prosperous life in an atmosphere of freedom, independence and prosperity. God willing.”

A day ago, Massoud had welcomed proposals from religious scholars for a negotiated settlement to end the fighting, Reuters reported.

Massoud, head of the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan (NRFA), made the announcement on the group's Facebook page. Earlier, Taliban forces said they had fought their way into the provincial capital of Panjshir after securing the surrounding districts.

The Taliban took control of the rest of Afghanistan three weeks ago, taking power in Kabul on Aug. 15 after the Western-backed government collapsed and President Ashraf Ghani fled the country.

Maulvi Fasihuddin, the Taliban commander who led the Panjshir campaign, is eating breakfast after the fall of Panjshir. PHOTO: EXPRESS

Maulvi Fasihuddin, the Taliban commander who led the Panjshir campaign, is eating breakfast after the fall of Panjshir.

"The NRF in principle agree to solve the current problems and put an immediate end to the fighting and continue negotiations," Massoud said in the Facebook post.

"To reach a lasting peace, the NRF is ready to stop fighting on condition that Taliban also stop their attacks and military movements on Panjshir and Andarab," he said, referring to a district in the neighbouring province of Baghlan.

A large gathering of all sides with the Ulema council of religious scholars could then be held, he said.

Read Taliban capture 'four districts of Panjshir'

Earlier, Afghan media outlets reported that religious scholars had called on the Taliban to accept a negotiated settlement to end the fighting in Panjshir.

There was no immediate response from the Taliban.

On Sunday, the NRFA also confirmed that its main spokesman, Fahim Dashti, had been killed during the day. Dashti had survived the suicide attack that killed Massoud's father, Ahmad Shah Massoud, on Sept. 9, 2001, just days before the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States.

He had been one of the main sources of updates from the area as the Taliban pressed in on opposition forces, issuing a defiant series of statements on Twitter, vowing that resistance would continue.

Massoud, who leads a force made up of remnants of regular Afghan army and special forces units as well as local militia fighters, called for a negotiated settlement with the Taliban before the fighting broke out around a week ago.

Taliban spokesman Bilal Karimi said earlier on Sunday that their forces had made it into the provincial capital, Bazarak, and had captured large quantities of weapons and ammunition.

Slain Panjshir commanders

1. Fahim Dashti, spokesman for the Northern Resistance Front in Panjshir, was a close associate of Ahmad Shah Massoud. He was seriously injured in a suicide attack that killed Ahmad Shah Massoud in 2001.

Dashti was associated with literature and media. During the Karzai government, he ran a newspaper from Kabul and hosted a TV programme. He lost his job and his newspaper was shut down for reporting on the corruption of Hamid Karzai's government. He was the mentor of Ahmed Shah Masood's son Ahmed Masood and also guided him in the political arena.

2. Saleh Muhammad Raigistani, the chief war strategist of Panjshir, was also among those killed. He joined the armed opposition, rather than be conscripted into the Afghan army, and in 1997 started as an intelligence officer with Ahmad Shah Massoud's forces.

3. Muneeb Ameeri, the Panjshir commander who led the current fight against the Taliban, was also killed.

4. General Dawood, a top commander of the Panjshir resistance movement, was also killed. He was a nephew of Ahmed Shah Massoud and deputy of his son Ahmed Massoud.

Rugged Valley

Panjshir, a rugged mountain valley still littered with the wreckage of Soviet tanks destroyed during the long war in the 1980s to oust the Soviet presence, has proved very difficult to overcome in the past.

Under Ahmad Shah Massoud, the region long resisted control by both the invading Soviet army and by the Taliban government that previously ruled from 1996 to 2001.

But that effort was helped by supply routes leading north to the border, which were closed off by the Taliban's sweeping victory last month.
 
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the BJP IT cell is a effing joke .... pretending to be a " NRF Panjshiri" and having twitter account with masood names and what not,
heres more comedy ....

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hi <a href="https://twitter.com/TimesNow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TimesNow</a>, the Pakistan Air Force doesn't operate F-15 fighters (seen in the clip), and that video is from nowhere near Afghanistan. <a href="https://t.co/Czy3X9huTc">pic.twitter.com/Czy3X9huTc</a></p>— Livefist (@livefist) <a href="https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1434820258104291329?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hello <a href="https://twitter.com/republic?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@republic</a>, The 'exclusive video' that your team has accessed of Airstrikes at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PanjshirValley?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PanjshirValley</a> is actually from a video game "Arma-3". &#55358;&#56614;&#55356;&#57342;*♂️&#55358;&#56631;&#55356;&#57342;*♂️&#55357;&#56902;&#55356;&#57342;*♂️ <a href="https://t.co/TG7dJmvsQ9">pic.twitter.com/TG7dJmvsQ9</a></p>— Mohammed Zubair (@zoo_bear) <a href="https://twitter.com/zoo_bear/status/1434830877045886978?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
the BJP IT cell is a effing joke .... pretending to be a " NRF Panjshiri" and having twitter account with masood names and what not,
heres more comedy ....

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hi <a href="https://twitter.com/TimesNow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TimesNow</a>, the Pakistan Air Force doesn't operate F-15 fighters (seen in the clip), and that video is from nowhere near Afghanistan. <a href="https://t.co/Czy3X9huTc">pic.twitter.com/Czy3X9huTc</a></p>— Livefist (@livefist) <a href="https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1434820258104291329?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hello <a href="https://twitter.com/republic?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@republic</a>, The 'exclusive video' that your team has accessed of Airstrikes at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PanjshirValley?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PanjshirValley</a> is actually from a video game "Arma-3". ����*♂️����*♂️����*♂️ <a href="https://t.co/TG7dJmvsQ9">pic.twitter.com/TG7dJmvsQ9</a></p>— Mohammed Zubair (@zoo_bear) <a href="https://twitter.com/zoo_bear/status/1434830877045886978?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is <a href="https://twitter.com/republic?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@republic</a>'s "Exclusive video" from ARMA-3 stimulation. &#55358;&#56611; <a href="https://t.co/qV5zFQrWTo">pic.twitter.com/qV5zFQrWTo</a></p>— Mohammed Zubair (@zoo_bear) <a href="https://twitter.com/zoo_bear/status/1434833831886921736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Panjshir Valley, last resistance holdout in Afghanistan, falls to the Taliban

A senior official of the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan, who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the matter, confirmed that the Taliban had taken over. “Yes, Panjshir has fallen. Taliban took control of government offices. Taliban fighters entered into the governor’s house,” the person said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/06/afghanistan-kabul-taliban-updates/
 
Reuters have a video of the Taliban forces at the Panjshir Governor's House. I don't know what else is needed to 'prove' to someone.

 
Your questions have a tone of sarcasm which indicates that you have already made up your mind.

Of course they don't "all" possess drone spotting software. Is this your criteria for proof? Do they "all" need to possess such equipment in order for the reports to be true? This is an unreasonably high standard for truth, don't you think?

The point is that there are claims of aerial bombardment. You can make of the claims whatever you want. I will reserve judgement until there is some kind of evidence. At the moment, there is a fog of war due to restrictions on communications.

Regardless, I hope we both can agree that we wish Pakistan is not involved in any operations inside Afghanistan whatsoever. I think such operations would be deemed illegal under Pakistani law since they were not approved by parliament.

First confirm the stories aren't false - let's face it, they almost certainly are - then you can start worrying about legality of drone strikes.
 
First confirm the stories aren't false - let's face it, they almost certainly are - then you can start worrying about legality of drone strikes.
It is not possible to confirm whether the stories are false yet. The local Afghan people and their leadership are making strong accusations. Whether you choose to believe them or not is up to you.

My default position always is to remain skeptical of any claims until I see evidence. I don't have any biases. I am only interested in the truth and in peace.

The only official news we have are reports of the governor of Panjshir claiming that there were aerial attacks without specifying the perpetrator, and the Taliban denying any Pakistani involvement. There are also many Afghans accusing Pakistan of military intervention at different levels.

We'll have to let the independent journalists, researchers, and intelligentsia do their work.

In the meantime, I hope we can both agree that any such potential actions would be deemed illegal under Pakistani law and should therefore be avoided.
 
It is not possible to confirm whether the stories are false yet. The local Afghan people and their leadership are making strong accusations. Whether you choose to believe them or not is up to you.

My default position always is to remain skeptical of any claims until I see evidence. I don't have any biases. I am only interested in the truth and in peace.

The only official news we have are reports of the governor of Panjshir claiming that there were aerial attacks without specifying the perpetrator, and the Taliban denying any Pakistani involvement. There are also many Afghans accusing Pakistan of military intervention at different levels.

We'll have to let the independent journalists, researchers, and intelligentsia do their work.

In the meantime, I hope we can both agree that any such potential actions would be deemed illegal under Pakistani law and should therefore be avoided.

read the post # 97 and 98 .
 
Fact check: Picture claimed to be of PAF jet shot down in Panjshir is actually from US

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Some Twitter users shared a picture of a fighter jet claiming it showed a Pakistan Air Force plane that was shot down by resistance fighters in Afghanistan's Panjshir valley, but a fact check by Dawn.com and independent journalists shows the picture is actually from 2018 in the United States.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1644845/fact-check-picture-claimed-to-be-of-paf-jet-shot-down-in-panjshir-is-actually-from-us
 
More proof of the prowess of the taliban they conquered the panjshir valley a valley that was never conquered.

Even the Soviets and elite spetnaz and airborne troops struggled in their operations in panjshir had to mount several operations including a scorch earth policy and were still struggling to pacify the area.
 
More proof of the prowess of the taliban they conquered the panjshir valley a valley that was never conquered.

Even the Soviets and elite spetnaz and airborne troops struggled in their operations in panjshir had to mount several operations including a scorch earth policy and were still struggling to pacify the area.

Or is it the case that people of Afghanistan have lost the will to fight?
 
Why indians are so concerned with Afghanistan? ,never understood this.
 
More proof of the prowess of the taliban they conquered the panjshir valley a valley that was never conquered.

Even the Soviets and elite spetnaz and airborne troops struggled in their operations in panjshir had to mount several operations including a scorch earth policy and were still struggling to pacify the area.

A lot of "resistance" fighters realized they were getting manipulated by puppet masters and decided to lay down weapons.

Media won't report this fact because it goes against all the propaganda which has been consistently reported for past weeks.

Let the dust settle. A lot of detailed interviews are coming!

Taliban commander paying money to Panjshir "resistance" fighters so they can head back to their homes. Forgiveness for all.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">حسن اخلاق کی اعلی مثال<br>صرف معافی نہیں بلکہ ساتھ میں پیسے بھی<br>طالبان نے پنجشیر میں مقامی ملیشیا کے لیے لڑنے والوں کو سرنڈر کرنے پر نہ صرف معاف کرکے رہا کر دیا بلکہ ہر کسی کو گھر جانے کے لیے 5 ہزار افغانی بھی دیے۔ <a href="https://t.co/ii9EMi1qYx">pic.twitter.com/ii9EMi1qYx</a></p>— افغان اردو (@AfghanUrdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/AfghanUrdu/status/1434869198598119427?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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These Panjshir "resistance" warriors laid down their weapons and were transported out

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">پنجشیر ملیشیا کے جنگجوؤں کی بڑی تعداد نے پہاڑوں سے اتر کر طالبان کے سامنے سرنڈر کر دیا<br>طالبان نے انھیں اپنے گھروں کو بھیج دیا ہے <a href="https://t.co/BmZduMCm4b">pic.twitter.com/BmZduMCm4b</a></p>— افغان اردو (@AfghanUrdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/AfghanUrdu/status/1434895117119279113?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Taliban "celebrating" the "conquer" of Panjshir

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">پنجشیر فتح ہوا تو طالبان خوشی سے سجدہ ریز ہو گئے <a href="https://t.co/a90qlV5NTN">pic.twitter.com/a90qlV5NTN</a></p>— افغان اردو (@AfghanUrdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/AfghanUrdu/status/1434902459697217536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Situation going back to "normal" in Panjshir

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">پنجشیر میں حالات معمول پر ہیں<br>طالبان مرکزی شاہراہ، گورنر ہاؤس کے سامنے اور بازاروں میں پٹرولنگ کر رہے ہیں۔ طالبان کی بھاری نفری موجود ہے <a href="https://t.co/DaZ5CDB0cS">pic.twitter.com/DaZ5CDB0cS</a></p>— افغان اردو (@AfghanUrdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/AfghanUrdu/status/1434928121988501508?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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And finally...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With the Takeover of Panjshir, the armed resistance in the country has ended, says Zabiullah Mujahid <a href="https://twitter.com/Zabehulah_M33?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Zabehulah_M33</a> spox Taliban in his presser. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Afghanistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Afghanistan</a> <a href="https://t.co/DoO7uVBce1">pic.twitter.com/DoO7uVBce1</a></p>— Anas Mallick (@AnasMallick) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnasMallick/status/1434772346850643970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Why indians are so concerned with Afghanistan? ,never understood this.

There has been an alarming amount of concern for Afghans and especially Afghan women these past few weeks :yk

When Americans were throwing bombs at them and killing Afghan women by dozens per strike, no one cared since those were bombs of freedom and democracy! :ik
 
This isn't 'bad' reporting by the Indian media. Even they can't be this bad and make mistakes, it's deliberate. It shows how insdious their media has become since BJP especially and how deliberate the campaign to malign Pakistan is. And this deliberate misinformation is in the open, you'd have to wonder what they do in the background.
 
That first story about the Pak jets supporting the Taliban turned out to include a video of Wales. Shah Masoud's son has been talking about fighting to his last breath, but reports in the news today suggest he has fled, probably taking a chopper full of cash with him like his President did earlier.
 
How would civilian residents be able to identify that drones were from Pakistan? Does the average homeowner in Panjshir possess a telescope same way a a civilian anywhere else would possess a sofa?

The Iranians are convinced that Pakistan has bombed Panjshir.
 
The Iranians are convinced that Pakistan has bombed Panjshir.

Have they actually produced any evidence or are they just convinced it's happened? I haven't seen any western journalists reporting on it, and some of them followed the Taliban into Panjshir following the collapse of the opposition.
 
The Iranians are convinced that Pakistan has bombed Panjshir.

the US and Europe will be the first one to mention this if that what ha happend , Iranians are trying to be relevant here , after kabul falls they are the first one to help taliban by supplying thre Oil ....
 
Lots of protests by namak haram women in kabul chanting death to pakistan their upset their panjshir pussycats surrendered they need to give their men bangles begging for America the un to come and help them
 

They haven't really said anything there, it's just he said, she said stuff. What we should bear in mind is that most of the stuff coming out of Panjshir tends not to be backed up by reality. Their leaders were getting ready for a brave resistance....24hrs later they are out of there with the footsoldiers left behind being forced to surrender.

They couldn't even last a month once US firepower was taken offline. Seems to me, they have been misleading the world for 20 years, so why would I believe what's coming from there now?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indian TV station incorrectly claims video game clip is Pakistani air force attack in Afghanistan <a href="https://t.co/D1XPXqoY4d">https://t.co/D1XPXqoY4d</a></p>— The Independent (@Independent) <a href="https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1435235815022546949?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
That first story about the Pak jets supporting the Taliban turned out to include a video of Wales. Shah Masoud's son has been talking about fighting to his last breath, but reports in the news today suggest he has fled, probably taking a chopper full of cash with him like his President did earlier.

Lol. As expected from the land of the cowards. Always remember that for every single member of Taliban, there were 3 trained cowards that didn't even fight. That's Afghanistan for you.
 
Lots of protests by namak haram women in kabul chanting death to pakistan their upset their panjshir pussycats surrendered they need to give their men bangles begging for America the un to come and help them

US should have trained 300k Afghani women instead of men. They seem bolder and have higher stakes.
 
All fake news. Spread by the Indians. They are hoping the mud sticks. There is zero need for Pakistan to bomb panjsher..there is zero evidence of it..imagine if we did don't some vid would have appeared from the panjsheris..the fact is they didn't want to fight and surrendered..this is hard to swallow for Indians who were hoping to fight Pakistan to the last afghan
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A false and baseless report circulated by <a href="https://twitter.com/IamNaveenKapoor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IamNaveenKapoor</a>, and then it was delated on Taliban arresting me and transporting me to an unknown location. I reject it as baseless and false. I call on jourinalist to act professionally and check the facts before publishing it. <a href="https://t.co/bs7niiZIi2">pic.twitter.com/bs7niiZIi2</a></p>— Dr. Abdullah Abdullah (@DrabdullahCE) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrabdullahCE/status/1436386831982080000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
I am very glad that godi media is doing an excellent job by continuously creating propaganda based false news which is built on piles and piles of lies.

The screaming critique on anything and everything that Taliban does, and godi media's praise to even a dog that barks at Talibans' humvee, makes sure that Talibans won't be friendly with India.

I think Sohail Shaheen also clearly stated that the most propaganda against Talibans is coming from India.

This is great news. And this is exactly what Pakistan wants. Talibans vs India.
 
Or is it the case that people of Afghanistan have lost the will to fight?

or maybe the whole nonsense of the afghan warrior is hype and in the absence of resupply lines, and foreign assistance, they are as vulnerable as any armed force around the world.
 
or maybe the whole nonsense of the afghan warrior is hype and in the absence of resupply lines, and foreign assistance, they are as vulnerable as any armed force around the world.

I can understand the Indian wish for this to be so, but the Afghan warriors have seen off the two greatest superpowers of modern times in front of our eyes. How can you ignore it?
 
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/afghan-pilots-start-leaving-uzbekistan-uae-despite-taliban-pressure-source-2021-09-12/

U.S.-trained Afghan pilots and other personnel who fled to Uzbekistan and were held in an Uzbek camp for about a month started departing the country on Sunday, a pilot told Reuters.

They left under a U.S. deal that came despite Taliban pressure for the return of the pilots and aircraft.

The group is at least initially heading to the United Arab Emirates, the pilot said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Reuters previously disclosed tension at the Uzbek camp, with Afghan pilots fearing being sent back to Afghanistan and being killed by the Taliban. The Taliban say they will not carry out reprisal killings after seizing control of the country in August.
 
I can understand the Indian wish for this to be so, but the Afghan warriors have seen off the two greatest superpowers of modern times in front of our eyes. How can you ignore it?
I really dont understand why some folks on here think that India is somehow shortchanged in this rise to power of Taliban. If anything, geopolitically, the afghan government was never more influential than Kabul and its immediate neighborhood.

Ever since the Taliban were scuttled in 2001-2002 and escaped into the northwestern region in Pakistan, of all their conjuring and efforts, there have been no strategic gains to India from their diplomatic and other efforts in Afghanistan. In fact, knowing how incompetent most Indian bureaucracies are, little if any gains would have been made by any of the shenanigans of the indian intelligence services.

Thus, losing that connection with Afghanistan is really no big change from the status quo. On the other hand, it is Pakistan that must now deal with a malignant tumor in its immediate neighborhood. Institutions such as the Taliban or ISIS K are likely to spread their influence to their immediate neighborhood first: a Shia Iran and a democractic Pakistan.

If anything, prepare for a decade of mullah brigades in your midst.

Finally, a little bit of a history lesson: The so called legendary afghan warrior usurped the Soviets almost exclusively because of hand over fist assistance from the United States. So much so that some of the very organizations like the HIG were the very organizations that the CIA was financing back in the 1980s and then had to now fight in the 2000s. And when the US military employed the surge, as they did back in the 2008-2010, the Taliban were very much on the defensive and were pushed back into the north west frontier region.

Guerrilla or asymmetrical warfare does not require any special bravado. Indiscriminate targeting of civilians as the Taliban often did, using an illicit drug trade to finance their operations, well that just puts them at par with the cartels of South America. Except the cartels have better personal hygiene. Arguments that the american did something similar are valid - the drone strikes were indiscriminate, often based on poor intelligence and curried no favors with the locals. But the point is that the locals saw the americans as a cash cow and they milked it for as long as they could - either through extracting compensation for dead relatives, or so called 'projects' for simple infrastructure tasks like building schools or maintaining roads.

The loyalties of the afghans have been to themselves, the notion of a country is remote if inexplicable to them. Tribal rivalries are all that they have known for the better part of the last 1000 years, and by looks of it, they are all that they will be preoccupied with in the future ahead.

Finally, extolling the Taliban is bit like praising the venomous snake that just drove out the rats in the hen house. It wont be too long before that snake turns on the chickens.
 
I really dont understand why some folks on here think that India is somehow shortchanged in this rise to power of Taliban. If anything, geopolitically, the afghan government was never more influential than Kabul and its immediate neighborhood.

Ever since the Taliban were scuttled in 2001-2002 and escaped into the northwestern region in Pakistan, of all their conjuring and efforts, there have been no strategic gains to India from their diplomatic and other efforts in Afghanistan. In fact, knowing how incompetent most Indian bureaucracies are, little if any gains would have been made by any of the shenanigans of the indian intelligence services.

Thus, losing that connection with Afghanistan is really no big change from the status quo. On the other hand, it is Pakistan that must now deal with a malignant tumor in its immediate neighborhood. Institutions such as the Taliban or ISIS K are likely to spread their influence to their immediate neighborhood first: a Shia Iran and a democractic Pakistan.

If anything, prepare for a decade of mullah brigades in your midst.

Finally, a little bit of a history lesson: The so called legendary afghan warrior usurped the Soviets almost exclusively because of hand over fist assistance from the United States. So much so that some of the very organizations like the HIG were the very organizations that the CIA was financing back in the 1980s and then had to now fight in the 2000s. And when the US military employed the surge, as they did back in the 2008-2010, the Taliban were very much on the defensive and were pushed back into the north west frontier region.

Guerrilla or asymmetrical warfare does not require any special bravado. Indiscriminate targeting of civilians as the Taliban often did, using an illicit drug trade to finance their operations, well that just puts them at par with the cartels of South America. Except the cartels have better personal hygiene. Arguments that the american did something similar are valid - the drone strikes were indiscriminate, often based on poor intelligence and curried no favors with the locals. But the point is that the locals saw the americans as a cash cow and they milked it for as long as they could - either through extracting compensation for dead relatives, or so called 'projects' for simple infrastructure tasks like building schools or maintaining roads.

The loyalties of the afghans have been to themselves, the notion of a country is remote if inexplicable to them. Tribal rivalries are all that they have known for the better part of the last 1000 years, and by looks of it, they are all that they will be preoccupied with in the future ahead.

Finally, extolling the Taliban is bit like praising the venomous snake that just drove out the rats in the hen house. It wont be too long before that snake turns on the chickens.

Good to know. But prepared to be ignored for your efforts.
posters here are so naive that they think Afghan women protesting for their rights and future is baseless and paid.
Their ISI chief in Afghanistan is for non military reasons.
When other countries start sanctioning Afghanistan or Taliban, Pakistan will start feeling the heat.
 
Good to know. But prepared to be ignored for your efforts.
posters here are so naive that they think Afghan women protesting for their rights and future is baseless and paid.
Their ISI chief in Afghanistan is for non military reasons.
When other countries start sanctioning Afghanistan or Taliban, Pakistan will start feeling the heat.

China is already leaning towards accepting Talibans. Russia is waiting n watching, and they will probably won’t stay behind after China gives the nod.

The bigger question is, with what face India is going to accept Taliban (the so called TERRORISTS by the Indian media) govt?
Talibani Afghanistan, China and Pakistan will make a nice block against India? We have to wait n see.
 
I really dont understand why some folks on here think that India is somehow shortchanged in this rise to power of Taliban. If anything, geopolitically, the afghan government was never more influential than Kabul and its immediate neighborhood.

Ever since the Taliban were scuttled in 2001-2002 and escaped into the northwestern region in Pakistan, of all their conjuring and efforts, there have been no strategic gains to India from their diplomatic and other efforts in Afghanistan. In fact, knowing how incompetent most Indian bureaucracies are, little if any gains would have been made by any of the shenanigans of the indian intelligence services.

Thus, losing that connection with Afghanistan is really no big change from the status quo. On the other hand, it is Pakistan that must now deal with a malignant tumor in its immediate neighborhood. Institutions such as the Taliban or ISIS K are likely to spread their influence to their immediate neighborhood first: a Shia Iran and a democractic Pakistan.

If anything, prepare for a decade of mullah brigades in your midst.

Finally, a little bit of a history lesson: The so called legendary afghan warrior usurped the Soviets almost exclusively because of hand over fist assistance from the United States. So much so that some of the very organizations like the HIG were the very organizations that the CIA was financing back in the 1980s and then had to now fight in the 2000s. And when the US military employed the surge, as they did back in the 2008-2010, the Taliban were very much on the defensive and were pushed back into the north west frontier region.

Guerrilla or asymmetrical warfare does not require any special bravado. Indiscriminate targeting of civilians as the Taliban often did, using an illicit drug trade to finance their operations, well that just puts them at par with the cartels of South America. Except the cartels have better personal hygiene. Arguments that the american did something similar are valid - the drone strikes were indiscriminate, often based on poor intelligence and curried no favors with the locals. But the point is that the locals saw the americans as a cash cow and they milked it for as long as they could - either through extracting compensation for dead relatives, or so called 'projects' for simple infrastructure tasks like building schools or maintaining roads.

The loyalties of the afghans have been to themselves, the notion of a country is remote if inexplicable to them. Tribal rivalries are all that they have known for the better part of the last 1000 years, and by looks of it, they are all that they will be preoccupied with in the future ahead.

Finally, extolling the Taliban is bit like praising the venomous snake that just drove out the rats in the hen house. It wont be too long before that snake turns on the chickens.

Americans only "joined" the war against Soviets in Afghanistan after 2 years of Soviet invasion.

At one point they told Pakistan: "Afghanistan is lost, just strengthen your border and hold the line" lol

If you understand Urdu here is a detailed history lesson:

Part 1:


Part 2:
 
I really dont understand why some folks on here think that India is somehow shortchanged in this rise to power of Taliban. If anything, geopolitically, the afghan government was never more influential than Kabul and its immediate neighborhood.

Ever since the Taliban were scuttled in 2001-2002 and escaped into the northwestern region in Pakistan, of all their conjuring and efforts, there have been no strategic gains to India from their diplomatic and other efforts in Afghanistan. In fact, knowing how incompetent most Indian bureaucracies are, little if any gains would have been made by any of the shenanigans of the indian intelligence services.

Thus, losing that connection with Afghanistan is really no big change from the status quo. On the other hand, it is Pakistan that must now deal with a malignant tumor in its immediate neighborhood. Institutions such as the Taliban or ISIS K are likely to spread their influence to their immediate neighborhood first: a Shia Iran and a democractic Pakistan.

If anything, prepare for a decade of mullah brigades in your midst.

Finally, a little bit of a history lesson: The so called legendary afghan warrior usurped the Soviets almost exclusively because of hand over fist assistance from the United States. So much so that some of the very organizations like the HIG were the very organizations that the CIA was financing back in the 1980s and then had to now fight in the 2000s. And when the US military employed the surge, as they did back in the 2008-2010, the Taliban were very much on the defensive and were pushed back into the north west frontier region.

Guerrilla or asymmetrical warfare does not require any special bravado. Indiscriminate targeting of civilians as the Taliban often did, using an illicit drug trade to finance their operations, well that just puts them at par with the cartels of South America. Except the cartels have better personal hygiene. Arguments that the american did something similar are valid - the drone strikes were indiscriminate, often based on poor intelligence and curried no favors with the locals. But the point is that the locals saw the americans as a cash cow and they milked it for as long as they could - either through extracting compensation for dead relatives, or so called 'projects' for simple infrastructure tasks like building schools or maintaining roads.

The loyalties of the afghans have been to themselves, the notion of a country is remote if inexplicable to them. Tribal rivalries are all that they have known for the better part of the last 1000 years, and by looks of it, they are all that they will be preoccupied with in the future ahead.

Finally, extolling the Taliban is bit like praising the venomous snake that just drove out the rats in the hen house. It wont be too long before that snake turns on the chickens.

Ah isn't it refreshing to see a new young bhakt turn up to join the already present motley crew.

But let's give a summarised response to your attempt at war and peace and an explanation as to why certain Pakistani analysts both professional and amateur are relatively satisfied with the current status...

1) Pakistan just fought a war against Indian sponsored terrorism for nearly 20 yrs. Its undeniable now and we can discuss details in a separate thread. The fact is this war nearly ended Pakistan as a coherent entity..the powers that be are happy India has had to wrap up its operand move.

2) the point about India and geo politics. Frankly your govt is full of morons and you have zero foresight hence your geo political gains have evaporated. The last 10-15 yrs gain you plenty..I can elaborate later..yu have list them now

3) The so called blowback. Nothing and i repeat nothing can compare to the war with the ttp..the afghan go to will not antagonise Pakistan. As for isisk plans are afoot to deal with this foreign proxy..see latest dossier on isisk the new name for the ttp..they are cross pollinating orgs run by the same people.

4) Pakistan simply wants the following..a quiet Afghanistan that does not allow our enemies to export terror to our streets. Connect to its to the stans and trade..end of..we don't care who is in charge.

5) finally the desire for Indians to want to see blowback is reminiscent of the attitude in 2001..we will not make the same mistake again and allow Indian sponsored terror to incubate or go without a response.

And one final point the aps massacre is very fresh in the minds of many. There will be a price to pay and the fall of kabul is the first part of that.
 
Americans only "joined" the war against Soviets in Afghanistan after 2 years of Soviet invasion.

At one point they told Pakistan: "Afghanistan is lost, just strengthen your border and hold the line" lol

If you understand Urdu here is a detailed history lesson:

Part 1:


Part 2:

Pakistan was in an existential position. India and the Soviets were sponsoring communist insurgents in balochistan..we were under oressure around pakhtunistan and the border
.india was buoyed after 71 and we needed to defend ourselves..but new age bhakts and their western overlords present a stupid insular story about that period..
 
On the other hand, it is Pakistan that must now deal with a malignant tumor in its immediate neighborhood.

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Except the cartels have better personal hygiene.

.....

Finally, extolling the Taliban is bit like praising the venomous snake that just drove out the rats in the hen house. It wont be too long before that snake turns on the chickens.

The typical Indian Hindu racist mindset.

Dehumanizing of Afghans.

Also, it is so hypocrite for Indians to talk about personal hygiene. Your fascist government should focus on building some damn toilets :facepalm:
 
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I really dont understand why some folks on here think that India is somehow shortchanged in this rise to power of Taliban. If anything, geopolitically, the afghan government was never more influential than Kabul and its immediate neighborhood.

Ever since the Taliban were scuttled in 2001-2002 and escaped into the northwestern region in Pakistan, of all their conjuring and efforts, there have been no strategic gains to India from their diplomatic and other efforts in Afghanistan. In fact, knowing how incompetent most Indian bureaucracies are, little if any gains would have been made by any of the shenanigans of the indian intelligence services.

Thus, losing that connection with Afghanistan is really no big change from the status quo. On the other hand, it is Pakistan that must now deal with a malignant tumor in its immediate neighborhood. Institutions such as the Taliban or ISIS K are likely to spread their influence to their immediate neighborhood first: a Shia Iran and a democractic Pakistan.

If anything, prepare for a decade of mullah brigades in your midst.

Finally, a little bit of a history lesson: The so called legendary afghan warrior usurped the Soviets almost exclusively because of hand over fist assistance from the United States. So much so that some of the very organizations like the HIG were the very organizations that the CIA was financing back in the 1980s and then had to now fight in the 2000s. And when the US military employed the surge, as they did back in the 2008-2010, the Taliban were very much on the defensive and were pushed back into the north west frontier region.

Guerrilla or asymmetrical warfare does not require any special bravado. Indiscriminate targeting of civilians as the Taliban often did, using an illicit drug trade to finance their operations, well that just puts them at par with the cartels of South America. Except the cartels have better personal hygiene. Arguments that the american did something similar are valid - the drone strikes were indiscriminate, often based on poor intelligence and curried no favors with the locals. But the point is that the locals saw the americans as a cash cow and they milked it for as long as they could - either through extracting compensation for dead relatives, or so called 'projects' for simple infrastructure tasks like building schools or maintaining roads.

The loyalties of the afghans have been to themselves, the notion of a country is remote if inexplicable to them. Tribal rivalries are all that they have known for the better part of the last 1000 years, and by looks of it, they are all that they will be preoccupied with in the future ahead.

Finally, extolling the Taliban is bit like praising the venomous snake that just drove out the rats in the hen house. It wont be too long before that snake turns on the chickens.

Afghan warrior reputation is famous throughout the globe. Do you really think your hindutva rewrite of history can change people's views outside of India? All it really does is expose jealousy that they have this reputation, whereas India doesn't.

But that's okay, why rail against it? Indians have a reputation for good IT skills and yoga. Maybe not so much for standing your ground, but you can't be everything. Learn to appreciate your strengths instead of spending so much time trying to deny others.
 
Taliban claimed to have recovered US dollars and gold bars stashed away at the residence of Amrullah Saleh, the ousted Afghan vice president who became one of the leaders of anti-Taliban opposition forces in the Panjshir Valley.

Ahmadullah Muttaqi, chief of the Taliban's multimedia branch, took to Twitter to post a video of purported raid on Saleh's residence, India Today reported on Monday.

The video shows Taliban fighters sitting around two suitcases stuffed with foreign currency and gold bars.

The Taliban fighters can be seen counting the stacks of cash in the video, which went viral on social media.

Muttaqi claimed that a total of six and a half million US dollars, along with 18 gold bars, were recovered from Saleh's residence.

Last week, Saleh's brother Rohullah Azizi was executed by Taliban, his nephew had claimed.

The news that the Saleh's brother was killed came days after Taliban forces took control of the provincial centre of Panjshir, the last province holding out against them.

"They executed my uncle," Ebadullah Saleh told Reuters in a text message. "They killed him yesterday and would not let us bury him. They kept saying his body should rot."

The Urdu language account of the Taliban information service Alemarah said that "according to reports" Rohullah Saleh was killed during fighting in Panjshir.

Saleh, a former head of the National Directorate of Security (NDS), the intelligence service of the Western-backed government that collapsed last month, is at large though his exact location remains unclear.
 
Taliban claimed to have recovered US dollars and gold bars stashed away at the residence of Amrullah Saleh, the ousted Afghan vice president who became one of the leaders of anti-Taliban opposition forces in the Panjshir Valley.

Ahmadullah Muttaqi, chief of the Taliban's multimedia branch, took to Twitter to post a video of purported raid on Saleh's residence, India Today reported on Monday.

The video shows Taliban fighters sitting around two suitcases stuffed with foreign currency and gold bars.

The Taliban fighters can be seen counting the stacks of cash in the video, which went viral on social media.

Muttaqi claimed that a total of six and a half million US dollars, along with 18 gold bars, were recovered from Saleh's residence.

Last week, Saleh's brother Rohullah Azizi was executed by Taliban, his nephew had claimed.

The news that the Saleh's brother was killed came days after Taliban forces took control of the provincial centre of Panjshir, the last province holding out against them.

"They executed my uncle," Ebadullah Saleh told Reuters in a text message. "They killed him yesterday and would not let us bury him. They kept saying his body should rot."

The Urdu language account of the Taliban information service Alemarah said that "according to reports" Rohullah Saleh was killed during fighting in Panjshir.

Saleh, a former head of the National Directorate of Security (NDS), the intelligence service of the Western-backed government that collapsed last month, is at large though his exact location remains unclear.

This is like a scene from a Bollywood movie. The villain has cash laying around at their mansions :))

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">افغانستان کے سابق نائب صدر امراللہ صالح کے گھر سے برآمد ہونے والے امریکی ڈالرز <a href="https://t.co/SDyeUmtq1B">pic.twitter.com/SDyeUmtq1B</a></p>— افغان اردو (@AfghanUrdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/AfghanUrdu/status/1437399371474210817?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Stacks of cash at Amrullah Saleh's home. They have counted $6.5 million so far! :))

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">امراللہ صالح کے گھر سے تلاشی کے دوران 6.5 ملین ڈالر برآمد کیے گئے<br>اپنے ساتھ وہ کتنے لے گئے ہوں گے اس کا اندازہ لگایا جا سکتا ہے۔ طالبان ذرائع <a href="https://t.co/NEiEnmnW33">pic.twitter.com/NEiEnmnW33</a></p>— افغان اردو (@AfghanUrdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/AfghanUrdu/status/1437331889149386758?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Stacks of cash at Amrullah Saleh's home. They have counted $6.5 million so far! :))

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">امراللہ صالح کے گھر سے تلاشی کے دوران 6.5 ملین ڈالر برآمد کیے گئے<br>اپنے ساتھ وہ کتنے لے گئے ہوں گے اس کا اندازہ لگایا جا سکتا ہے۔ طالبان ذرائع <a href="https://t.co/NEiEnmnW33">pic.twitter.com/NEiEnmnW33</a></p>— افغان اردو (@AfghanUrdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/AfghanUrdu/status/1437331889149386758?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This just what he couldn't take with him. Imagine what he absconded with. Same as Ghani, hundred's of millions of $$$.
He was having verbal diarrhea against Pakistan for days. Now, not a single peep.
 
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Stacks of cash at Amrullah Saleh's home. They have counted $6.5 million so far! :))

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">امراللہ صالح کے گھر سے تلاشی کے دوران 6.5 ملین ڈالر برآمد کیے گئے<br>اپنے ساتھ وہ کتنے لے گئے ہوں گے اس کا اندازہ لگایا جا سکتا ہے۔ طالبان ذرائع <a href="https://t.co/NEiEnmnW33">pic.twitter.com/NEiEnmnW33</a></p>— افغان اردو (@AfghanUrdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/AfghanUrdu/status/1437331889149386758?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


lol ... most probably Indian money funded to him to spew venom against Pakistan.
And surely yes, this will be a small portion that wasn't able to take with him.

Once a traitor, always a traitor.
 
Another video from Amrullah Salem's home.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">طالبان امر اللہ صالح کے گھر سے ڈالرز اور سونا برآمد کرتے ہوئے <a href="https://t.co/t1fFePgc2l">pic.twitter.com/t1fFePgc2l</a></p>— افغان اردو (@AfghanUrdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/AfghanUrdu/status/1437689384648728586?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Imagine how much money this piece of crap and Ghani the rat have stashed in Swiss banks etc. These thieves have stolen bread off Afghans' plates. Outrageous.
 
A huge amount of Alcohol was found in Salahuddin Rabbani's (Puppet minister of Foreign Affairs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salahuddin_Rabbani ) home :butt


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">ربانی کے گھر سے شراب برآمد<br>طالبان نے افغانستان کے سابق وزیرخارجہ صلاح الدین ربانی کے گھر سے شراب کا بڑا خزانہ قبضے میں لیا ہے<br>صلاح الدین ربانی سابق جہادی لیڈر اور افغان صدر برہان الدین ربانی کے بیٹے ہیں <a href="https://t.co/KUCuTgSSWb">pic.twitter.com/KUCuTgSSWb</a></p>— افغان اردو (@AfghanUrdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/AfghanUrdu/status/1437516403599413254?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This dude lived la vida loca popping champagne :)) had his bottle tagged and yet to unbox :)) I guess the Bollywood villain stereotype is based on reality :))
 
LONDON:
Afghanistan's central bank on Wednesday said that it had seized more than $12 million in cash and gold from high-ranking officials in the previous government, including former vice president Amrullah Saleh.

A couple of days ago, the Taliban claimed to have recovered US dollars and gold bars stashed away at the residence of Amrullah Saleh who became one of the leaders of anti-Taliban opposition forces in the Panjshir Valley.

Ahmadullah Muttaqi, chief of the Taliban's multimedia branch, took to Twitter to post a video of purported raid on Saleh's residence.

Muttaqi claimed that a total of six and a half million US dollars, along with 18 gold bars, were recovered from Saleh's residence.

In a separate statement posted on its website, the Taliban-controlled central bank also urged all Afghans to use the country's local currency.

"All Afghans, and government and private institutions are requested to use the Afghani in contracts and other monetary transactions and trade to improve economic growth," the bank said.

Last week, Saleh's brother Rohullah Azizi was executed by Taliban, his nephew had claimed.

The news that Saleh's brother was killed came days after Taliban forces took control of the provincial centre of Panjshir, the last province holding out against them.

"They executed my uncle," Ebadullah Saleh told Reuters in a text message. "They killed him yesterday and would not let us bury him. They kept saying his body should rot."

The Urdu language account of the Taliban information service Alemarah said that "according to reports" Rohullah Saleh was killed during fighting in Panjshir.

Saleh, a former head of the National Directorate of Security (NDS), the intelligence service of the Western-backed government that collapsed last month, is at large though his exact location remains unclear.

Afghanistan's banks are running out of dollars, and may have to close their doors to customers unless the Taliban government releases funds soon, three people with direct knowledge of the matter said.

The cash squeeze threatens to upend the country's already battered economy, largely dependent on hundreds of millions of dollars shipped by the United States to the central bank in Kabul that make their way to Afghans through banks.

One month since the Taliban captured the capital of Kabul, bankers fear fewer dollars could inflate the cost of food or electricity and make it harder to afford imports, spelling further misery for Afghans.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2320350/afghan-central-bank-recovers-123m-cash-from-ex-govt-officials
 
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