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The Battle for Group 2 in the Super 12s

Saj

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India
Pakistan
New Zealand
Afghanistan
Scotland
Namibia

Seems simple enough a 3 horse race between India, Pakistan and New Zealand for 2 places doesn't it?

Or could there be a few twists and turns?

Incidentally Pakistan's first 2 matches are:

v India - 24th October
v New Zealand - 26th October
 
For me this is a tougher group.
We simply must best India or the Kiwis and not stumble against Afghanistan.

All three of Pakistan, NZ and India should comfortably best the other teams.

The other group is easier IMO as four teams are capable of beating each other..
 
Four team shootout. Need to win 2 out of the first 3 games to have a chance.
 
Saj, dont rule out Afghanistan. THey have 3 very good spinners that could challenge other teams and make their way into the semis.

Rashid and Mujeeb along with Nabi are a threat
 
India
Pakistan
New Zealand
Afghanistan
Scotland
Namibia

Seems simple enough a 3 horse race between India, Pakistan and New Zealand for 2 places doesn't it?

Or could there be a few twists and turns?

Incidentally Pakistan's first 2 matches are:

v India - 24th October
v New Zealand - 26th October

Don't underestimate Afghanistan.

Remember its UAE and they have very good spinners.
 
Saj, dont rule out Afghanistan. THey have 3 very good spinners that could challenge other teams and make their way into the semis.

Rashid and Mujeeb along with Nabi are a threat

No doubt they are capable of causing an upset or two but can they perform across 5 matches and also is their batting strong enough?
 
No doubt they are capable of causing an upset or two but can they perform across 5 matches and also is their batting strong enough?

There batting is an issue and thats because of the lack of game plan and not having a very good captain.

They either start hitting out of the park or start collapsing by throwing the ball in the hands of the fielders.

Asghar Stanikzai and Hashmatullah are two batsmen that like to play steady cricket. But the afghanis for some reason prefer to send hitters in one go, so it depends how they use them.
 
Let's see it for what it is...
We lose the first two games and 99pct we're out...

Doesn't matter how decent Afghanistan is I fully expect India and the Kiwis to roll them over.
The other teams will struggle to score 100
 
For me this is a tougher group.
We simply must best India or the Kiwis and not stumble against Afghanistan.

All three of Pakistan, NZ and India should comfortably best the other teams.

The other group is easier IMO as four teams are capable of beating each other..

Very true. One cannot afford a single misstep in this group. There will be more opportunities & more ways to qualify in Group 1 as we can expect a few topsy turvy results with those 6.
 
I predict India will defeat Pakistan and top the group. The real battle and crunch match is 26th October, Kiwis vs Pakistan. That's the decider, barring any upsets obviously. Lose that one and it really is over for us.
 
I predict India will defeat Pakistan and top the group. The real battle and crunch match is 26th October, Kiwis vs Pakistan. That's the decider, barring any upsets obviously. Lose that one and it really is over for us.

Don't be so quick man, Afghan beating Kiwis will give us a chance even after losing first two matches. Or there will surely be one or two upset in the store, just hope we are not at the receiving end. India will deo top the group unless Pak can do which haven't ever been done, mean beat India in a damn World cup, Pak will still sneak in on second place, maybe on NRR ahead of kiwis. Just need to make sure we don't lose too badly vs India and Kiwis and thrash rest three teams and no more slip ups.
 
India
Pakistan
New Zealand
Afghanistan

It's a four way fight! Afghanistan is a serious threat in the 20 over format. I hope its Pakistan and India..
 
Afghanistan is a serious threat in these conditions. They have run us close last 2-3 games, even Pakistan was completely lost against them in 2018 Asia Cup and 2019 WC. In T20s they are even more dangerous since their batsmen's temperament isn't tested much in a short span of 20 overs innings.

Fully expect them to win at least one match against the trio of Ind-Pak-NZ. At least, for all we know they could beat all 3 higher rated teams. Best spin attack in this competition by a long distance and in Rashid Khan they have the undisputed MVP of T20 cricket.
 
I predict a Mexican standoff with the 3 top teams. Ind beating Pak, Pak beating NZ and NZ beating Ind. Forget form or personnel, believe in bogey sides.

Afghanistan will hold the key in such a situation. And of course NRR, Pakistan especially never takes NRR equation seriously but in this kind of competition it plays such a big role. If you win, win big rather than squeaking through in the final over. And up your intensity against Namibia/Scotland and shoot your NRR up. Ind and NZ camps will do that, not sure about Pak who can sometimes clown around against minnows.
 
The problem Pakistan has is if they lose their first 2 matches in the group to India and New Zealand, they are in big trouble and then relying on other results to go their way - with the hope then that Afghanistan or Namibia or Scotland beat New Zealand or India.
 
I just don't see the Kiwis or India losing to any of the lesser teams including Afghanistan.

The Afghan batting will crumble in the face of Jamieson, Boult, Bumrah, Ashwin and Jadega.

It's one thing to hit out in T20 leagues but to do it for the national side on the biggest stage against pumped up bowlers with experience... I give it less then 5pct chance.

So Pakistan simply has to beat one of India or the Kiwis... our tournament could be over within the first few days....so let's hope we're switched on snd play to our potential from the very first ball
 
This is an easier group now

Thank God we avoided Sri Lanka and Bangladesh ending up in this. The other group becomes significantly tougher for the SENA sides
 
This is not an easier group.

The other group is easier as there arnt spinners in the other group
 
I just don't see the Kiwis or India losing to any of the lesser teams including Afghanistan.

The Afghan batting will crumble in the face of Jamieson, Boult, Bumrah, Ashwin and Jadega.
Include Lockie Ferguson here, Jamieson is pretty ordinary in t20s.
 
Afghanistan will beat NZ.
I am not sure how Kiwi players will be able to handle 12 overs from Rashid, Mujeeb and Nabi.
Nz needs to score as much as possible in the pp overs against pacers otherwise they will get stuck in the middle overs and won't really be able to set a good target.

I think AFG has the best spin attack in the world.
 
Following teams are favorites based on their past encounters in the World Cup : :inti

Ind vs NZ : NZ
Pak vs NZ : Pak
Ind vs Pak : Ind
 
Perfect start for Pakistan.

Beat new Zealand and that should in theory guarantee them a spot in the semi-finals.
 
Would rather have played new Zealand in dubai or Abu Dhabi rather than the small ground of Sharjah
 
with this defeat, it is curtains for India's WC campaign...mainly because of the extremely low NRR....it's so low that even if they win rest of the 5 matches, they cannot qualify for semis....sad end to Kohli's captaincy in ICC events....hopefully we will do well in the next ICC event in Rohit's leadership.
 
with this defeat, it is curtains for India's WC campaign...mainly because of the extremely low NRR....it's so low that even if they win rest of the 5 matches, they cannot qualify for semis....sad end to Kohli's captaincy in ICC events....hopefully we will do well in the next ICC event in Rohit's leadership.

But if they win the next five games they will finish first or at the very least second and go through...
 
with this defeat, it is curtains for India's WC campaign...mainly because of the extremely low NRR....it's so low that even if they win rest of the 5 matches, they cannot qualify for semis....sad end to Kohli's captaincy in ICC events....hopefully we will do well in the next ICC event in Rohit's leadership.

They have to beat New Zealand if they loose that then it could be curtains.
 
I don't think Namibia or Scotland will trouble the top 2 positions.
 
India vs New Zealand on Sunday seems to be a virtual Quarter-final unless Afghanistan has other plans!

Its odd though that most of the big games are front-loaded in the tournament so there will be a bunch of dead rubber games before the Semis.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More lovely viewing if your team is <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/T20WorldCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#T20WorldCup</a> <a href="https://t.co/2KtVYpnokc">pic.twitter.com/2KtVYpnokc</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1454142033757626372?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Will be interesting to see how Afg do against India and NZ. They definitely had Pakistan sweating most so far.
 
I think Kiwis may beat India.

That may make Afghanistan-New Zealand game almost a knockout game.
 
Will be interesting to see how Afg do against India and NZ. They definitely had Pakistan sweating most so far.

They will not give any team in the group an easy ride. In fact don't be surprised if they beat either India or New Zealand.
 
They will not give any team in the group an easy ride. In fact don't be surprised if they beat either India or New Zealand.

Pretty much, they're kinda the ultimate banana peel team. You have to be at your game when playing against their spinners especially.
 
What I find amusing is that Pakistan have played 3 games and India don't even play their second game until Sunday.

India probably have the edge over NZ in the UAE, but I wouldn't be surprised if NZ won.
 
India can only reach a maximum of 6 points, so it looks like their only realistic hope is that Afg beat NZ, beat Afg themselves and then try an outdo Afg and NZ on NRR.
 
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Two defeats from two leaves India trailing Pakistan, Afghanistan, New Zealand and Namibia in Group 2 of the Super 12 at the ICC Men's T20 World Cup 2021.

The qualification conundrum in Group 2 of the ICC Men’s T20 World Cup 2021 took a turn on Sunday with New Zealand’s eight-wicket win over India.

The result means that India, one of the pre-tournament favourites to take the title, are facing an uphill battle to make it out of the Super 12 stage.

Still without a point after losses to Pakistan and New Zealand, Virat Kohli’s side will now most likely need to win their three remaining fixtures while also hoping that other results and the net run rate equation goes their way.

“I don't think we were brave enough with bat or ball,” Kohli said after the defeat to New Zealand.

“We didn't have much to defend but we weren't brave when we walked out to field.

“When you play for the Indian cricket team you have a lot of expectations – not just from fans, but players as well," Kohli added.

"So there's always going to be more pressure with our games and we've embraced it over the years.

“Everyone who plays for India has to embrace it. And when you cope together as a team you overcome it and we haven't done it these two games.

“Just because you're the Indian team and there are expectations doesn't mean you start playing differently. I think we're fine, there's a lot of cricket left to play.”

India’s remaining fixtures

India v Afghanistan, Abu Dhabi – Wednesday 3 November
India v Scotland, Dubai – Friday 5 November
India v Namibia, Dubai – Monday 8 November
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The net run rate factor

India’s lowly net run rate of -1.609 means they will either have to finish points clear of their rivals for qualification or hope for big margins of victory in the back-end of the tournament to turn that NRR on its head.

The difficulty for India is that Afghanistan, who currently have four points to their name, hammered Scotland to such an extent that it’ll take a big change for India to overhaul their +3.097 NRR – currently the second-best at the tournament behind in-form England.

The crunch Afghanistan fixture

Lose to Afghanistan in Abu Dhabi on Wednesday and India’s chances of making it out of Group 2 will be over. But Ravi Shastri’s squad will not only be targeting a win, but also a big one in order to redress some of the NRR balance in the group.

India will probably then be hoping for a narrow Afghanistan win over New Zealand to take the qualification down to net run rate.

Hoping for an upset

The best chance for India to make it out of the group is for one of the Group 2 qualifiers, Namibia and Scotland, to pull off an upset against New Zealand. Both teams showed their class when making it through Round 1, but have yet to trouble the Test-playing nations during the Super 12 stage.
 
NZ have three games to go v Namibia, Scotland and Afghanistan. If they win all three they are through to the semi finals.

India have three games to go v Afghanistan, Scotland and Namibia. They have to win all three to have any chance of qualifying for the semi finals. If they win all three, they have to hope New Zealand lose one game AND their net run rate goes above New Zealand. If the New Zealand defeat is against Afghanistan they will also have to hope their net run rate is above Afghanistan's AND New Zealand's.

Not impossible but looking a little complicated for India to qualify at the moment.
 
India are 98% out - their chances are no more then 2%.

- If Kiwis beat Afghans it's done (unless they lose to either Scots or Namibia)
- India need a scenario where Afghans beat NZ and then they (India) beat Afghans, Scots and Namibia.

But in this scenario, remember that NZ will most likely improve their already excellent run rate v Scots and Namibia. The chances of India going ahead of NZ on NRR is EXTREMELY small - it would need some incredidly scores (e.g India winning both games by 150 runs or within 10 overs if batting second).
 
So, to qualify, we have to hope NZ loses one and that loss shouldn't be against Afghanistan, lol.

:yk
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s not looking good for India.. but we all want India to stay in the tournament. This early exit of India won’t be good for the event &#55357;&#56852; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvsNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvsNZ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ICCT20WorldCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ICCT20WorldCup</a></p>— Azhar Ali (@AzharAli_) <a href="https://twitter.com/AzharAli_/status/1454844749903499266?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2021</a></blockquote>
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I did say our group was the more difficult one as the first two games played would determine who proceeds to the next round....

Whereas Second place in the other group is still open albeit with Australia the heavy favourites
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India still have an outside chance of qualifying for semis but with how they have played their two big games in the event, it will be nothing but a miracle to see them qualify. <a href="https://twitter.com/T20WorldCup?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@T20WorldCup</a></p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1454858664075046914?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
First time in the semis since 2012.

Guess it will be England vs NZ(60%/Afg(25%)/India(20%)
and Pak vs Aus(55%)/SA(45%)
 

So Pakistan are through but still no guarantee that they will finish top of the group, as Afghanistan or NZ could still top the group if they win their last matches and Pakistan lose to Scotland.

Easy way is - It doesn't matter what the other results are - Pakistan will finish top of Group 2 if they beat Scotland in their final group match
 
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It would be funny to see India lose again tomorrow, but I reckon they will beat the Afghans.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There have been 7 T20 World Cup tournaments. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> has qualified for at least the semi-finals in 5 out of those 7. The only tournaments they didn't qualify for the semi-finals were 2014 and 2016 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/T20WorldCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#T20WorldCup</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1455596921398124546?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
No disrespect for india but it's very pleasant to see indian cricket guru's calculating NRR :))
 
New Zealand's 2 remaining matches are against Afghanistan and Namibia. If they win both matches, they will qualify for the semi-finals with Pakistan.
 
New Zealand's 2 remaining matches are against Afghanistan and Namibia. If they win both matches, they will qualify for the semi-finals with Pakistan.

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India still has a mountain to climb to better Afghanistan's NRR.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If New Zealand beat Afghanistan they are through<br><br>If Afghanistan beat New Zealand and India beat Namibia then all 3 teams will finish on 6 points and NRR will decide who joins Pakistan in the semi-finals <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/T20WorldCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#T20WorldCup</a> <a href="https://t.co/cVzNccex3Y">pic.twitter.com/cVzNccex3Y</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1456660278003867651?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2021</a></blockquote>
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I still think New Zealand has a chance of going through ahead of India, because if Afghanistan is going to play that poorly, then they are unlikely to win.

Secondly, the game is going to be at Abu Dhabi, and I believe they'll leave a small cover of grass on the pitch to assist the seamers. I don't see Afghanistan's batsmen matching Boult, Southee, and Milne on a seaming track and one that is keeping a bit low recently.

A small grass covering means that the spinners aren't going to be very effective, and New Zealand could milk singles with the odd boundary to get by.
 
How things stand in Group 2

As things stand, New Zealand are second in the group with six points and an NRR of 1+.277. India and Afghanistan are level on four points but the Men in Blue pipe them on NRR for third sport.

Currently, India have an NRR of +1.619 while Afghanistan are on +1.481. This means that India will need to just better Afghanistan's victory margin against New Zealand to qualify for the semi-final in the Namibia clash. However, Afghanistan will have to ensure that not only they beat New Zealand but also increase their NRR to leapfrog India.

However, if the Kiwis beat Afghanistan, it will take them to eight points and ensure their qualification to the semi-final. At the moment, the maximum both India and Afghanistan can achieve is six points.

New Zealand and Afghanistan will face each other in the all-important clash on Sunday in Abu Dhabi. India will play the last game of the Super 12 stage against Namibia on Monday evening in Dubai.

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It is a must win for Kiwis on Sunday.Kiwis must be on top of their game and use their experience and resources to defeat Afghanistan.I think Afghans will play hard cricket because in case they win there will be loads of more money for them courtesy of BCCI.
 
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