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Based upon advance interviews being given by Sir John Chilcot, and leaks from various sources, it appears that a few individuals will be criticised - but not Tony Blair, not to any great extent anyway. What a surprise!
 
From Nicholas Watt, Political Editor of BBC Newsnight:

No smoking gun in Chilcot report that shows [MENTION=25553]TonyB[/MENTION]lairoffice lied on intelligence in run up to Iraq war.
 
Based upon advance interviews being given by Sir John Chilcot, and leaks from various sources, it appears that a few individuals will be criticised - but not Tony Blair, not to any great extent anyway. What a surprise!

Blair will be criticised, most likely for keeping cabinet out of the loop and for exaggerating the intelligence - but I fear the blame will be aportioned so thinly that Blair will end up being able to finally wash his hands off the whole thing.
 
Blair will be criticised, most likely for keeping cabinet out of the loop and for exaggerating the intelligence - but I fear the blame will be aportioned so thinly that Blair will end up being able to finally wash his hands off the whole thing.
Well considering the Mawellisation Process which Blair has been using to make sure any criticism of his is highly diluted, there is also the added fact that John Chilcot became Sir John Chilcot as a thank you by Tony Blair for Chilcot working with him on the Northern Ireland peace process. And John Chilcot was also a member of the Butler Inquiry - another whitewash related to the invasion of Iraq. Notice how Sir John Chilcot treated Tony Blair with almost painful deference when Tony Blair first appeared before the Iraq inquiry five years ago?
 
Well considering the Mawellisation Process which Blair has been using to make sure any criticism of his is highly diluted, there is also the added fact that John Chilcot became Sir John Chilcot as a thank you by Tony Blair for Chilcot working with him on the Northern Ireland peace process. And John Chilcot was also a member of the Butler Inquiry - another whitewash related to the invasion of Iraq. Notice how Sir John Chilcot treated Tony Blair with almost painful deference when Tony Blair first appeared before the Iraq inquiry five years ago?

Isn't Maxwellisation simply a legal courtesy designed to let subjects respond to a report in advance ? Therefore I don't think that would have any impact on the content of the report.

But yes, it does seem like a panel of establishment types. Not only were the panellists vetted by No.10 and Gordon Brown himself, nearly all were pro-War.
 
Isn't Maxwellisation simply a legal courtesy designed to let subjects respond to a report in advance ? Therefore I don't think that would have any impact on the content of the report.
My understanding is that the Maxwellisation process is more than a simple response. The subjects can submit new information/documents (via lawyers if need be) to counteract any criticisms in order to backup their own versions of events. This information/ documents then need to be checked and verified, and if necessary adjustments made to the report contents, especially if they then also impact on the criticism of others. And then the Maxwellisation process needs to be repeated again with new copies sent to the subjects. This is why the report has taken so many years, with the likes of Tony Blair using every means possible to dilute and delay the report.

But yes, it does seem like a panel of establishment types. Not only were the panellists vetted by No.10 and Gordon Brown himself, nearly all were pro-War.
 
Sir Michael said the families had employed a law firm who had used a ground-breaking civil case to bankrupt the alleged Omagh bombers.

He said: “They are using the same lawyers and if there has been evidence of malfeasance in a public office, they will do the same for the people concerned.”
 
Let's see what the report actually says before jumping to conclusions.
 
Sounding bad for Blair so far...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Breaking?src=hash">#Breaking</a> Chilcot - Circumstances surrounding decision on legal basis for Iraq invasion were "far from satisfactory" <a href="https://t.co/lvNr5Hvr6I">pic.twitter.com/lvNr5Hvr6I</a></p>— Press Association (@PA) <a href="https://twitter.com/PA/status/750634183496699904">6 July 2016</a></blockquote>
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wow damning

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chilcot far more damning than expected already: <a href="https://t.co/kRq04Kw8RJ">pic.twitter.com/kRq04Kw8RJ</a></p>— Faisal Islam (@faisalislam) <a href="https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/750632907149115397">6 July 2016</a></blockquote>
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This is not a whitewash!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chilcot says that Mr Blair changed arguments for war after event: <a href="https://t.co/zZ396Olxnx">pic.twitter.com/zZ396Olxnx</a></p>— Faisal Islam (@faisalislam) <a href="https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/750636258804850688">6 July 2016</a></blockquote>
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i dont think any of this matters until we see him the dock.

shows how cancerous labour is, as well as the tories.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"I made the right decision and the world is safer as a result" says Tony <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Blair?src=hash">#Blair</a> about <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Iraq?src=hash">#Iraq</a> invasion <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chilcot?src=hash">#Chilcot</a> <a href="https://t.co/p25uZnGS5Z">https://t.co/p25uZnGS5Z</a></p>— Sky News (@SkyNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/750693366178803712">July 6, 2016</a></blockquote>
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This guy...
 
Even after all that has happened - I think he is a high-functioning sociopath.
 
Should drop Bush and Blair in Iraq to show them how safe it is.
 
he maintained he acted in good faith - i think thats the crucial thing. am waiting to hear what clare short and the other conscientious cabinet members at the time have to say about his press conference.
 
excellent comments from corbyn and salmond:

"17:15
Mr Corbyn says he has apologised to the families of the servicemen and women killed for the actions of his party.

He also says that those responsible for the war must face up to the consequences.

In his statement the Labour leader says his party have learned lessons and that he wants a "different" type of foreign policy, where war is the absolute last resort.

The decision to go to war has been a "stain" on his party and the country, Mr Corbyn adds."



"Former Scottish first minister Alex Salmond has said on his LBC radio show that he believes parliamentary action could be taken against Tony Blair.

I'm open minded about what it should be. There have been talks between MPs across the parties. We wanted to see the report first, we'll be meeting over the next few days.
It's going to take people time to assimilate all the information in the report but I favour such action. I favour a means of parliamentary accountability because I don't believe that these things can just be sorted out by saying we will improve the intelligence gathering, we'll restore cabinet government, we'll have a sequence of decision making.
At the end of the day these were decisions made by a human being and that prime minister was Tony Blair."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-36714717
 
Blair, along with many Blairites, claiming that the report shows that Blair did not lie about the threat from Saddam in the dodgy dossier, and he didn't lie to Parliament!

The report gives the impression that it's highly critical of Blair - and yet it leaves him with plenty of wriggle room to claim that the report exonerates him from the claims that he lied about the evidence. So a bit of a mixed bag.
 
.<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tony ... You completely screwed up .. And just because you are speaking forever you will not get my sympathy ... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Blair?src=hash">#Blair</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/750687397088755712">6 July 2016</a></blockquote>
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The 45min claim was a blatant lie. Bliar has blood on his hands...oh btw, great performance by him today...deserves an oscar.
 
The 45min claim was a blatant lie. Bliar has blood on his hands...oh btw, great performance by him today...deserves an oscar.
Nah. Best Actor Award in Laurence Olivier Awards would be more appropriate - Acting in live theatre in front of live audiences is the real skill as opposed to acting in films where you have retakes, editing, post-production, special effects ....Today's performance by Blair would give even Sir Laurence Olivier a run for his money.
 
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I wonder how Blair and his ilk can sleep at night.
On Radio 4 this morning, Tony Blair still denying he did anything wrong. That's why he refuses to apologise. In fact more or less stated that he'd still would have done it even if he knew then what he knows now (although not in those wrods)..
 
Solid and measured report - worth the wait, as I felt it would be.

Now Blair must surely stand trial for war crimes. People have been convicted in The Hague with less overwhelming evidence to hand than this.

If I was him, and I really wanted to clear my name, I would not wait for the men in black to knock on the door. I would volunteer myself as a witness for testimony.
 
Solid and measured report - worth the wait, as I felt it would be.

Now Blair must surely stand trial for war crimes. People have been convicted in The Hague with less overwhelming evidence to hand than this.

If I was him, and I really wanted to clear my name, I would not wait for the men in black to knock on the door. I would volunteer myself as a witness for testimony.
If you've seen the press conference he gave after Sir John Chilcot released the report, or listened to the interview he gave to John Humphrys on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, you'd have seen that he's in complete denial. He still claims Chilcot backs him !!! He keeps picking sentences from the Chilcot report, sentences totally out of context, to justify his assertions that the report takes the view that he did nothing wrong!!
 
If you've seen the press conference he gave after Sir John Chilcot released the report, or listened to the interview he gave to John Humphrys on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, you'd have seen that he's in complete denial. He still claims Chilcot backs him !!! He keeps picking sentences from the Chilcot report, sentences totally out of context, to justify his assertions that the report takes the view that he did nothing wrong!!

The royal prerogative gave Blair the right to act the way he did
The vote in parliament legalised it too so I'm not sure how Blair could be treated the same way as slobodam

Whether the new labour project is to blame , who knows
 
The royal prerogative gave Blair the right to act the way he did
The vote in parliament legalised it too so I'm not sure how Blair could be treated the same way as slobodam

Whether the new labour project is to blame , who knows
No it didn't. The UK can't simply have a vote in its own Parliament, then use that as legal justification to go and invade another country thousands of miles away, a country which does not pose any immediate threat to the UK. And that's without even taking into account the fact that the Prime Minister knowingly used dodgy intelligence to persuade Parliament to vote for it in the first place.The days of colonialism finished a long time ago.

Also the 'Royal Prerogative' does not give a PM the right or legal powers to deliberately mislead Parliament.

Yes, the USA still does it, but that's because the USA doesn't bother about international laws it doesn't like knowing that no country is in a position to challenge it.
 
Yes, the USA still does it, but that's because the USA doesn't bother about international laws it doesn't like knowing that no country is in a position to challenge it.

Nor apparently does the UK. Welcome to RealPolitik.

And if another situation presents itself in 2033 where the UK can send its troops to an arena where they can flatten the opposition to paste - with or without Uncle Sam alongside - they'll do it.

There's no shock or horror here. It's just the modern day warfare equivalent of the food chain.
 
Deputy PM of the time now admits it was Illegal

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">John Prescott says Tony Blair led the UK into an illegal war in Iraq <a href="https://t.co/YAN6sNc5is">https://t.co/YAN6sNc5is</a> <a href="https://t.co/tqGnXQ4sos">pic.twitter.com/tqGnXQ4sos</a></p>— The Independent (@Independent) <a href="https://twitter.com/Independent/status/752037351791136768">10 July 2016</a></blockquote>
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Really looking forward to this.

"The Killings of Tony Blair" - A documentary by George Galloway

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Deputy PM of the time now admits it was Illegal

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">John Prescott says Tony Blair led the UK into an illegal war in Iraq <a href="https://t.co/YAN6sNc5is">https://t.co/YAN6sNc5is</a> <a href="https://t.co/tqGnXQ4sos">pic.twitter.com/tqGnXQ4sos</a></p>— The Independent (@Independent) <a href="https://twitter.com/Independent/status/752037351791136768">10 July 2016</a></blockquote>
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Chilcot did say the legal process was "far from satisfactory" which is how I remember it.

How is it that the Attorney General comes out one week saying the Iraq War must be authorised by a second UN Resolution then another week says a UN Resolution is "preferable" but not necessary ?

Blair says a second UN vote was not required because Iraq violated Resolution 1441 yet Chilcot said there was little basis for this assertion. He was scathing about the legal process in the report:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-tony-blair-verdict-latest-news-a7122756.html
 
wow, that looks like worth watching.

Unfortunately only limited release in cinemas


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Solid and measured report - worth the wait, as I felt it would be.

Now Blair must surely stand trial for war crimes.
He won't. Under Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention he has not committed a war crime. Examples of such are genocides such as in former Yugoslavia, forced labour (committed by Imperial Japan) and forced movement of populations. Blair cannot clearly be demonstrated to have done such things.

He might face a civil action for misleading the House of Commons, for which he could face a fine but no prison term.
 
He won't. Under Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention he has not committed a war crime. Examples of such are genocides such as in former Yugoslavia, forced labour (committed by Imperial Japan) and forced movement of populations. Blair cannot clearly be demonstrated to have done such things.

He might face a civil action for misleading the House of Commons, for which he could face a fine but no prison term.
Some of the families of British soldiers killed in Iraq are apparently planning to take civil court actions against Blair. If this does happen and if (and it's a big "If") it gets to court then all sorts of further information could yet come out. For example, the cross-examination of witnesses by lawyers will be a lot more robust than was done during the inquiry hearings.
 
Some of the families of British soldiers killed in Iraq are apparently planning to take civil court actions against Blair.

On what legal basis? HM's Armed Forces have to do what HM's Govt tells them, they have no redress.
 
On what legal basis? HM's Armed Forces have to do what HM's Govt tells them, they have no redress.
If they do decide to go ahead with civil court action, then I'm sure their lawyers would have advised them as to the legal basis under which they will be doing so. I would suspect it would be based around the still unanswered question as to the legality of the war (which was not in Chilcot's brief to make a judgement upon - which is why he didn't, although of some his comments indicated the inquiry team didn't think it wasn't quite kosher).
 
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He might face a civil action for misleading the House of Commons, for which he could face a fine but no prison term.
On what legal basis? HM's Armed Forces have to do what HM's Govt tells them, they have no redress.
From a reputable London based law firm.

Misconduct in a public office

Misconduct in a public office is the most likely crime that Tony Blair could be tried for if charges were to be bought against him.

The offence is extremely serious and carries a maximum penalty of life imprisonment. It is committed when:

a public officer acting as such;
wilfully neglects to perform his duty and/or wilfully misconducts himself;
to such a degree as to amount to an abuse of the public’s trust in the office holder;
without reasonable excuse or justification.

It is important to note that poor political judgement is not considered misfeasance; Therefore, for Mr Blair to be liable, an actual abuse of the public’s trust would need to be shown. I recall hundreds of thousands of people marching through the streets of London shouting in unison “not in our name” will happily tell you that their trust in the rule of law and our system of governance has been seriously and quite violently abused by the actions of Mr Blair and others.

The former Director of Public Prosecutions, Lord MacDonald QC, believes Tony Blair’s conduct in the build-up to the Iraq war could amount to misconduct in public office.

In an article in The Times, he gave this example:

It [an example of the misconduct] occurred about a week before the war and days before the final legal advice of 17th March 2003 from the then Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith.

Through his official, David Brummell, the attorney general informed Mr Blair that it “was an essential part of the legal basis for military action without a further resolution of the Security Council that there is strong evidence that Iraq has failed to comply with and co-operate fully in the implementation of resolution 1441”.

Lord Macdonald said: “Yet, without seeking any advice whatsoever, or calling for any evidence to determine whether this critical condition was met, Mr Blair simply expressed ‘the unequivocal view’ that such further breaches had indeed occurred.”

Mr Blair’s defence is likely to be that Saddam Hussain posed such an immediate threat that action had to be taken. There is no doubt that Mr Blair will defend his position vigorously.

Misfeasance in a public office


A common law action, misfeasance in a public office is invoked where a public officer has exercised (or failed to exercise) his or her power as a public officer in bad faith, knowing that the act in question would probably cause harm.

The rationale behind the tort is that our society and legal system are based on the rule of law, and that executive or administrative power should only be exercised for the public good, not for improper purposes. The tort of misfeasance in public office is available to help to rein-in the abuse of administrative or executive power.

Judged on the lower civil standard of proof, the balance of probabilities, it requires that the office holder (Mr Blair) owed the claimant (families of the British soldiers or Iraqis killed or injured in Iraq) a duty of care, breached it and that resulted in harm to the claimant. Claimants will need to show physical harm or a recognisable psychiatric illness.

Families of soldiers killed or wounded in Iraq are most likely, I believe to purse this course of action.


http://www.saracenssolicitors.co.uk...tions-that-could-stem-from-the-chilcot-report
 
It all seems tenuous to me. Why are soldiers not suing HM Gov for injuries sustained in NI, Falklands, Iraq War One, Malaya, even WW2? The High Court would set a precedent if they allow such actions and no Govt would ever commit troops anywhere ever again. Soldiers know they could get hurt when they sign up - the principle of voluntary acceptance of risk surely applies, and the military is immune from the H&S at Work Act.
 
It all seems tenuous to me. Why are soldiers not suing HM Gov for injuries sustained in NI, Falklands, Iraq War One, Malaya, even WW2? The High Court would set a precedent if they allow such actions and no Govt would ever commit troops anywhere ever again. Soldiers know they could get hurt when they sign up - the principle of voluntary acceptance of risk surely applies, and the military is immune from the H&S at Work Act.
Were those wars and conflicts you've listed based upon illegality and/or deliberately misleading the House of Commons?

Had the following been applicable in 2003, as opposed to becoming law in 2017, then under the UN Charter, Blair could have been prosecuted for the crime of 'Aggression'.

From the same article.
Neither will any prosecution be brought for the crime of aggression. In 2010 it was agreed that for a crime of aggression to occur, the perpetrator had to be a political or military leader who is planning or preparing a State act of aggression, which, by its character, gravity and scale, constitutes a manifest violation of the UN Charter.

However, no prosecutions can be brought until 2017 and the law cannot be applied retrospectively.

“Aggression” is not a crime in UK law and so no one could not be prosecuted in our courts either.

The point being that laws change over time. And the laws that were applicable during the times when the conflicts you've listed took place are not necessarily the laws that existed in 2003 or that exist now.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tony Blair was not straight with the nation & the inquiry about his decisions in the run up to Iraq War - Sir John Chilcot tells <a href="https://twitter.com/bbclaurak">@bbclaurak</a>. <a href="https://t.co/dP2CV5kPVY">pic.twitter.com/dP2CV5kPVY</a></p>— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/882811482932744193">6 July 2017</a></blockquote>
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