The current Aussie side is more than capable of winning the Ashes 2019 in England!

[Slog]

A lot of the English fans and some commentators seem to be lamenting the fact that both English and Australian sides are lopsided and flawed meaning that both easily win home Ashes and lose abroad.

It is almost as if the hurt English are taking solace in the assumption that atleast they will win the home Ashes next time like they have done for last three times.

However I personally think that this is not based in reality.

Asides from the fact that Aussies have generally been more competitive in England than vice versa (England home results = 2015: 3-2, 2013: 3-0 [much closer than scoreline], 2009: 2-1, 2005: 2-1), I think this particular Aussie side is equipped to compete in all conditions.

Especially if they can add a solid batting option who can support Smith in England, I would put Australia to easily win in England if the Ashes were played right now.

Ofcourse a lot can change in two years, but I dont get this delusional thinking on English fans and media's part that their problem is being competitive in England. Their problem is being competitive EVERYWHERE right now!

 

[Varun]

Very easy to say this after Australia have pummeled England.

Fact remains, the likes of Warner, Khawaja Shaun Marsh et al will be sitting ducks against Anderson (or the dibbly dobbly cloud-relier of the day) come the Ashes in England.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

The Ashes has to be one of the most over-hyped series in world cricket these days. It honestly holds more of a cultural significance in Australia and England rather than being a highly competitive series between 2 huge cricketing nations. While what you're saying is definitely possible and Aus might win if there was a series in england right this day, i highly doubt it as there seems to be a mental block in the minds of the visitors regardless of their form. These 2 teams arent the only culprits of this and many other teams perform poorly when away, but for all the hype created by both camps as well as the media, the actual cricket on hand is a snoozefest imo. Its a classic case of how the anticipation for an event supersedes the event itself.

 

[Slog]

Ashes 2005, 2009 and to some extent 2015 were close

 

[Varun]

The bottomline is nobody would have created this thread before this Ashes.

Now after Australia have scored 640/4 on their concrete slabs and England are gasping for breath, the conclusion is that the same will occur in England? Yeah nah.

The only time the ball swung in this series was in Adelaide in the 2nd innings and we all saw what happened.

 

[Slog]

Very easy to say this after Australia have pummeled England.

Fact remains, the likes of Warner, Khawaja Shaun Marsh et al will be sitting ducks against Anderson (or the dibbly dobbly cloud-relier of the day) come the Ashes in England.

Even looking at the sides you could bet money that England would be massacred in Aus whereas same isnt true for Aus in Eng

Also it is true that Eng side isnt that great anyways.

SA was on bare bones last summer which is why they lost to England somewhat easily. But if you go prior to that Pak had them on the ropes in 2016, Aus only lost by a margin of one test in 2015 and ofcourse famously SL beat them while NZ dew them in 2015.

Their home form isnt all that tbh and the Eng side is significantly weaker now

 

[Slog]

The bottomline is nobody would have created this thread before this Ashes.

Now after Australia have scored 640/4 on their concrete slabs and England are gasping for breath, the conclusion is that the same will occur in England? Yeah nah.

The only time the ball swung in this series was in Adelaide in the 2nd innings and we all saw what happened.

actually i was of the same opinion prior to this as well.

Aus side is def more equipped in Eng than vice versa

also Aus have done decently competitive away in recent years asides from 3-0 SL whitewash

 

[Convict]

The bottomline is nobody would have created this thread before this Ashes.

Now after Australia have scored 640/4 on their concrete slabs and England are gasping for breath, the conclusion is that the same will occur in England? Yeah nah.

The only time the ball swung in this series was in Adelaide in the 2nd innings and we all saw what happened.

Anderson and Broad two years older. Cummins/Hazlewood/Starc at their peak.

England going to be doctoring wickets still?

 

[Mamoon]

If Australia get the pitches Pakistan got in 2016, they will win the series. Pakistan got more favorable pitches than any touring team in England did in many years.

The only Test where the conditions were somewhat English like was the Old Trafford one, and we suffered our record defeat in England.

The Lord’s, Oval and Edgbaston pitches played into our hands and that is why we dominated those games. The final session choke in Edgbaston cost us a series win.

This time, we are playing in May where the conditions will not be easy. A whitewash is on the cards.

However, if Australia gets the type of pitches South Africa got last summer, they are unlikely to win. Every English Ashes, Australia get a couple of green-tops and they roll out for less than 100. Apart from Smith, all of their batsmen are walking wickets against lateral movement.

Furthermore, Starc and Cummins are too quick for English conditions, and they don’t bowl a consistent line and length and rely on magic deliveries to take wickets. Hazlewood will be a much bigger threat in English conditions.

The Pakistan-like pitches will allow the Australian batsmen to blunt the English attack and will also bring Lyon into play.

Much like the 2015 Ashes, Root is going to be the deciding factor. He was MoS last time around because he is the only batsman in the world at the moment along with de Villiers and a declining Amla, who can score consistently against lateral movement.

If his conversion rate improves, it will be almost impossible for Australia to win in classical English conditions, since there is no stopping him from getting starts. No bowling attack in any conditions is good enough to get him out before he gets to his customary half-century, such is his class.

 

[Watsupdoc]

Short term memory bias nothing more. This same Aussie team will lose in England...

 

[Varun]

actually i was of the same opinion prior to this as well.

Aus side is def more equipped in Eng than vice versa

also Aus have done decently competitive away in recent years asides from 3-0 SL whitewash

If your argument is that Australia will perform better in England than England in Australia, sure - but we already know that. England get pummeled 4 or 5-zip in Australia but the reverse is usually a 3-2 or a 3-0 sort of scoreline.

It will take a lot of effort and skill on Australia's behalf to change a 0-3 to a 2-1 or 3-2 or whatever. You would think they need a solid opening batsman (not Warner), a good one-down (not Khawaja), a permanent keeper (not Paine) and some pacers that have the guile for English conditions (not Cummins or Hazlewood). Likewise, Mitch Marsh and his brother are also going to be found out.

Australia in England will basically be The Smith & Others XI.

 

[Slog]

If your argument is that Australia will perform better in England than England in Australia, sure - but we already know that. England get pummeled 4 or 5-zip in Australia but the reverse is usually a 3-2 or a 3-0 sort of scoreline.

It will take a lot of effort and skill on Australia's behalf to change a 0-3 to a 2-1 or 3-2 or whatever. You would think they need a solid opening batsman (not Warner), a good one-down (not Khawaja), a permanent keeper (not Paine) and some pacers that have the guile for English conditions (not Cummins or Hazlewood). Likewise, Mitch Marsh and his brother are also going to be found out.

Australia in England will basically be The Smith & Others XI.

if anything Hazelwood's game is suited to English conditions

 

[Hasan123]

If the pitches are typical English conditions, England will win. Any other type of pitches I'll go with Australia.

 

[Savak]

English pitches require bowlers who can swing the ball, pace and hit the deck stuff will be a disadvantage in England. Johnson used to garbage in England but now that he is gone i believe this current Australian bowling attack has a better chance of success in England.

The real question is will the Australian batting stand up to Anderson, Broad and co on seaming, swinging conditions and the duke ball, as past evidence has shown, sorry but nope. Steve Smith looked all at sea against the English when the ball was moving around just like Kohli was as well, had absolutely no idea what to do with Anderson and Broad being so ruthless outside off stump.

 

[Markhor]

People said the same after the 13/14 whitewash. We all saw what happened in the 2nd innings in Adelaide when the ball actually swung for a change.

In 2015, the series may have ended with a seemingly close 3-2 scoreline but Australia were badly beaten in three matches they lost.

As Savak says, their bowling attack is perfect for these conditions but in England pace isn't as important as maintaining a consistent line and length. Hazlewood is the one most suited.

However what may work in Australia's favour is that Anderson may not play until 2019. It remains to be seen if England will find the same calibre of swing bowler to replace him.

 

[Amjid Javed]

England just need to produce 5 pitches which offer swing and seam and they will beat Aussies with ease. Aussies batting always exposed once ball swings/seams. Next Ashes will be no different.

 

[Ab Fan]

Tough to say. We have to consider that Australian batting isn't all that fantastic and barring Smith I dont expect much from any of their batsmen in England conditions that includes Warner.

Their bowling is great and that is the only reason people are putting up this question.

However, at the moment England have some big HTBs and are still favourites if they play in England.

 

[Amir]

If Australia get the pitches Pakistan got in 2016, they will win the series. Pakistan got more favorable pitches than any touring team in England did in many years.

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lol just give it a rest uncle. Next you will tell me the pitches India got were green tops never before seen. How unfair!!!!

BTW, the two matches we won, the pitches were the way they always were. Lords and the Oval are always a little more batting friendly.

 

[Savak]

People said the same after the 13/14 whitewash. We all saw what happened in the 2nd innings in Adelaide when the ball actually swung for a change.

In 2015, the series may have ended with a seemingly close 3-2 scoreline but Australia were badly beaten in three matches they lost.

As Savak says, their bowling attack is perfect for these conditions but in England pace isn't as important as maintaining a consistent line and length. Hazlewood is the one most suited.

However what may work in Australia's favour is that Anderson may not play until 2019. It remains to be seen if England will find the same calibre of swing bowler to replace him.

Anderson can still play for another 2-3 years depending on his fitness and form. For a 35 year old, i find his fitness excellent and the fact he was touching 140-142 km/hr in Australia is tribute to his fitness. Don't think England will want to discard him when he can still offer something on his own turf.

 

[Lefthanded]

Didn't appreciate it when Healy called England rubbish on commentary, but this side is rubbish.

They still don't have a reliable #2 & 3, middle order is at sea without Stokes, Broad is well past his best, Chris Woakes isn't the most reliable 3rd seamer, and Mark Wood bowls fast without taking wickets.

As an example, here's Broad's home record in 2017: 14 innings, 20 wickets, average 33.90, SR 68.15, zero 5 Wicket hauls.

Anderson at home is probably the most dangerous bowler in the world, but regardless of his best home season in 2017, he'll be 37 come the next Ashes. There's no guarantee he'll be as dangerous in two summers.

As for Australia walking wickets, two of England's top three are walking wickets.

It's highly unlikely that England could beat this Australia side if they were playing in England tomorrow or next summer.

 

[Savak]

lol just give it a rest uncle. Next you will tell me the pitches India got were green tops never before seen. How unfair!!!!

BTW, the two matches we won, the pitches were the way they always were. Lords and the Oval are always a little more batting friendly.

Pakistan in the test matches they won were on flat pitches as well. In the matches Pakistan lost, the conditions were over cast but not green tops by any stretch. Rahane looked a better batsman than Kohli on that England tour in 2014.

 

[Markhor]

lol just give it a rest uncle. Next you will tell me the pitches India got were green tops never before seen. How unfair!!!!

BTW, the two matches we won, the pitches were the way they always were. Lords and the Oval are always a little more batting friendly.

The way Mamoon goes on about the favourable pitches we received in England - our win at The Oval was on the paciest and bounciest surface of the entire series.

 

[Savak]

The way Mamoon goes on about the favourable pitches we received in England - our win at The Oval was on the paciest and bounciest surface of the entire series.

Lol, next he will go on about How Pakistan was lucky to receive a pacy and bouncy wicket on that tour which allowed Wahab Riaz to come into his own and Had Pakistan received the same wickets the Indians did in 2014, we would have been massacred.

 

[Slog]

The way Mamoon goes on about the favourable pitches we received in England - our win at The Oval was on the paciest and bounciest surface of the entire series.

Lol obv what do you expect from him.

He believes in the saying that if you one thing enough times it becomes the truth!

 

[Smudger]

Pakistan is the most overrated side in the world. The luckiest team that has ascended the earth. Everytime pakistan win is due to sheer luck. And mamoon bhai is right because he is the greatest test cricketer of all time. And his opinion is what matters

 

[Mamoon]

Obviously the Oval pitch had decent carry. It is the Oval, not Abu Dhabi. However, we were lucky because we played on grassless pitches without prodigious lateral movement.

Our batsmen are sitting ducks against quality swing and seam, including Younis and Misbah.

Yes the London pitches are generally flatter, but India got a green pitch in 2014 and Rahane scored a brilliant hundred. None of our batsmen can play an innings like that.

The grassless pitches also helped Yasir. Furthermore, although England’s top-order has been a mess for years now, it was at its lowest ebb in the summer of 2016, with Hales and Ballance in the top 4.

In addition, England did not have the services of Stokes for 3 matches, and Anderson wasn’t at his best because of a shoulder injury prior to the first Test.

That series was a gift for Pakistan; no touring team has had it so easy in England in many years - grassless wickets, an out of sorts top-order, the best all-rounder in the world injured, and their main strike bowler below his 100%.

In spite of that, we were not good enough to win the series. If India and Australia - in 2018 and 2019 respectively - get similar pitches and get similarly lucky with injuries, they will win the series no doubt.

Pakistan will play in England in May this year, and like Sri Lanka in 2016, they will struggle big time. However, India are likely to get favorable conditions like Pakistan in 2016, although they are unlikely to get lucky with injuries like we did.

 

[R3verse Swing]

The problem with England is not one of talent, but one of mindset. Since Ben Stokes omission, England have been a mental wreck.


2017/18 Ashes Series Review: Where did it all go wrong for Joe Root and England?

The video is a postmortum of England performance by the BT Sport team (Boycott, Vaughan, Hussey, and Swann)

Other than Boycott, Vaughan states the team was built around the spirit of Ben Stokes and since England have derailed.

Someone needs to remind Vaughan et al, that cricket is a team sport.

However, saying this, the main issue England face now is replacements for Anderson and Broad - both by laws of probability will not be playing in the next Ashes down-under.

IMO Rashid Ali was dearly missed.

 

[Matlab kuch bhi]

The Ashes has to be one of the most over-hyped series in world cricket these days. It honestly holds more of a cultural significance in Australia and England rather than being a highly competitive series between 2 huge cricketing nations. While what you're saying is definitely possible and Aus might win if there was a series in england right this day, i highly doubt it as there seems to be a mental block in the minds of the visitors regardless of their form. These 2 teams arent the only culprits of this and many other teams perform poorly when away, but for all the hype created by both camps as well as the media, the actual cricket on hand is a snoozefest imo. Its a classic case of how the anticipation for an event supersedes the event itself.

Bull's eye!

 

[Slog]

Obviously the Oval pitch had decent carry. It is the Oval, not Abu Dhabi. However, we were lucky because we played on grassless pitches without prodigious lateral movement.

Our batsmen are sitting ducks against quality swing and seam, including Younis and Misbah.

Yes the London pitches are generally flatter, but India got a green pitch in 2014 and Rahane scored a brilliant hundred. None of our batsmen can play an innings like that.

The grassless pitches also helped Yasir. Furthermore, although England’s top-order has been a mess for years now, it was at its lowest ebb in the summer of 2016, with Hales and Ballance in the top 4.

In addition, England did not have the services of Stokes for 3 matches, and Anderson wasn’t at his best because of a shoulder injury prior to the first Test.

That series was a gift for Pakistan; no touring team has had it so easy in England in many years - grassless wickets, an out of sorts top-order, the best all-rounder in the world injured, and their main strike bowler below his 100%.

In spite of that, we were not good enough to win the series. If India and Australia - in 2018 and 2019 respectively - get similar pitches and get similarly lucky with injuries, they will win the series no doubt.

Pakistan will play in England in May this year, and like Sri Lanka in 2016, they will struggle big time. However, India are likely to get favorable conditions like Pakistan in 2016, although they are unlikely to get lucky with injuries like we did.

India had one of the weakest English sides in 2014

They were coming off an embarrassing series loss to Sri Lanka and we're all over the place as a side. Sri Lanka, a limited side itself, showed how weak that England side was.

Their was no batting to speak of was such and Cook was on the verge of being sacked

India blew a golden chance to win the series after taking the lead

 

[Slog]

India blew a golden chance to win the series after taking the lead. The pitches had enough for spin To play a role but once again Ashwin failed to deliver the goods on pitches outside his comfort zone and mid series India decided Jadeja was a better bet.Moin Ali was rolling the Indian batting line up for fun lol.

 

[R3verse Swing]

The Ashes has to be one of the most over-hyped series in world cricket these days. It honestly holds more of a cultural significance in Australia and England rather than being a highly competitive series between 2 huge cricketing nations. While what you're saying is definitely possible and Aus might win if there was a series in england right this day, i highly doubt it as there seems to be a mental block in the minds of the visitors regardless of their form. These 2 teams arent the only culprits of this and many other teams perform poorly when away, but for all the hype created by both camps as well as the media, the actual cricket on hand is a snoozefest imo. Its a classic case of how the anticipation for an event supersedes the event itself.

100% Agreed.

However it is the Ashes that guarantees the survival of Test cricket. There is always a silver lining.

 

[Slog]

India blew a golden chance to win the series after taking the lead. The pitches had enough for spin To play a role but once again Ashwin failed to deliver the goods on pitches outside his comfort zone and mid series India decided Jadeja was a better bet.Moin Ali was rolling the Indian batting line up for fun lol.

One of the funny things in the tour was that the only true green mamba was the match where India won (Lords). Rahane played an ATG knock

The Rose bowl pitch was relatively flat with England posting almost 600 before declaring in the first innings. The Old Trafford pitch had a bit of juice but England found it easy with India rolling over with sub 200 scores both innings on the way to an innings defeat. Same story in 4th test where England scored almost 500 but India couldnt match the score over 2 innings.

Guys like Ballance, Stokes and esp Moin became first teamers for England after the series. As I mentioned England were coming off an embarrassing home loss to SL of all teams who had been dismissed as a 'club level' team by Vaughan. And arguably only 4-5 of the 11 places in the England side were certain at start of series.

 

[James]

England have a lot of improving to do if they even wish to draw the next series with Australia in English conditions. If Anderson is still playing then England will have an increased chance of success - but, no matter how good he is, he cannot carry a whole bowling attack as we have seen.

 

[Bewal Express]

England have a lot of improving to do if they even wish to draw the next series with Australia in English conditions. If Anderson is still playing then England will have an increased chance of success - but, no matter how good he is, he cannot carry a whole bowling attack as we have seen.

Broad is lucky that he has very little competition- he has been awful for far too long. England need Roland Jones back, he looked to have something but outside that that bowling is a much of muchness with 82mph medium pacers who offer nothing on flat tracks. With Harmer to qualify for England next yr and it cant be too long before both Vilgeon and De Langa are also qualified, so there is some light at the end of the tunnel.