The delusion about the IPL and BCCI not needing any international cricket

[tomato]

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How money makes people blind

Then why can't PCB takes bigger cut and help others ?

 

[CricketAnalyst]

The only point Indians fall back on is that international players would leave their countries for money and choose IPL over playing for their national teams.

How money makes people blind

I wont even talk about patriotism which Indians have in plenty but think rest of the world doesnt have. I wont talk about principled players because apparently for some Indians money will make anyone do anything. I wont talk about the fact that this sport is run by fans who will watch the game with or without India (this includes Indians who will watch international cricket with or without India).

Lets talk about Indian players. Indian players arent allowed to play in other leagues because of signing a contract with BCCI. What makes anyone think other boards wont make their players sign such a contract to prevent them from playing IPL? I get that current foreign players are popular and well known in India and hence more marketable. They can afford to leave their countries and choose IPL. Most of them are on their last legs anyways and can only carry IPL for a few more seasons. But what about the next generation of unknown players? They will definitely have to play for their countries first in order to become known names and get noticed. This is where they can be made to sign such a contract which wont allow them to play in IPL and they WILL have to sign it.

Having said that, I believe India is producing maximum revenue and it will only be fair to give them an appropriate cut because it is their own money. If Not the 550 mil they are asking for, still a decent amount which can keep them happy. India on the other hand should also bring down the amount they are demanding because both sides have to bend a little to reach somewhere.

Bhai, we will IGNORE it. Their boards have no legal power. They can not give an NOC, and we can let them play with or without an NOC. We don't have jungle raj. Those boards do not own the labor of the players, the players are not slaves. It's a private contract of employment and we can let foreign players play.

And btw, contracts in restriction of trade are generally not valid. Very few countries will uphold a contract saying you cannot play in X, Y or Z league in your lifetime.

 

[Sidilicious]

Not really. That's a separate division of ICC, and it's managed in that way since the start.

You have to keep in mind that the BCCI issue was started only after the 'big 3' changes. Other 2 boards also had a lot of advantages there.

BUT, they decided to let go of the unfair big 3 model in favor of promoting cricket.

No nation is bigger than the game itself, even if you're BCCI.

If you really think this, then you are being very naive. The only reason ECB and CA took that action was to safeguard their own interest. If you really think they won't throw the other boards under the bus if it suits them, then you need to think again.

I am not arguing for the Big 3. It was an unfair model. And India was wrong in letting the asian bloc go. But the reason ECB and CA jumped into bed with India was because of their own interests. And they came out of it because they felt they were getting too dependant on Indian cricket revenues. Now, in the future, if BCCI comes out stronger and is able to wriggle its way out of this situation, just watch how ECB and CA jump back in bed with India again. Mark my words here.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

What??

Lol WI players are the best. LOOOOOL. You gotta be kidding if you think ABD, Jos Butler, QDK,Kane Williamson etc will leave their international teams for IPL))

As said before, India alone is nothing, they need someone to play to get money.

Some people from these countries leave their national team to play County Championship for Hampshire and you think they won't play IPL for $5 M a year? You are delusional.

ABD already quit Tests for IPL in effect and he is your gold standard for the proof that he will put SA over the millions of the IPL and being a hero in Bangalore?

 

[Slog]

cant believe op is only 13

good post!

 

[IAJ]

cant believe op is only 13

good post!

You must be kidding? Only 13? What a talent!!

 

[captain crook]

Man Indians are the most delusional people! They think they can survive in cricket without other countries.. what a joke! The fact is cricket can run without BCCI or anyone for that matter. BCCI overestimated themselves and became the laughing stock that it is

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Man Indians are the most delusional people! They think they can survive in cricket without other countries.. what a joke! The fact is cricket can run without BCCI or anyone for that matter. BCCI overestimated themselves and became the laughing stock that it is

Wonder whether you'll be laughing once we expand the IPL and ruin the international cricket you seem to enjoy.

80% of revenue is generated by us- Indian fans who are patriotic. This doesn't end well for anyone who isn't Indian. If you think we sit down and take it without doing anything, you are very mistaken. India isn't a powerless but angry girlfriend...something people are going to realize soon.

 

[Pete Rose]

If you really think this, then you are being very naive. The only reason ECB and CA took that action was to safeguard their own interest. If you really think they won't throw the other boards under the bus if it suits them, then you need to think again.

I am not arguing for the Big 3. It was an unfair model. And India was wrong in letting the asian bloc go. But the reason ECB and CA jumped into bed with India was because of their own interests. And they came out of it because they felt they were getting too dependant on Indian cricket revenues. Now, in the future, if BCCI comes out stronger and is able to wriggle its way out of this situation, just watch how ECB and CA jump back in bed with India again. Mark my words here.

I agree with this fully. To put a nuance on it: ecb and ca in particular don't like how their annual revenues are like a yoyo (high when India tours + ICC tournament + ashes) and barely above water in years when they play everyone else.
The CA has tried to address this by splitting the odi and test legs of India visiting Australia in order to have Indian touring revenue stream every year.
Other measures by CA/ECB/CSA have included pushing the world championship of test cricket so that broadcasters can start to appreciate cricket with context beyond marquees series
Lastly they have tried to band together to negotiate cricketing rights with broadcasters so that the latter guarantee money for 'lesser' series as well.

 

[JaDed]

Not really. That's a separate division of ICC, and it's managed in that way since the start.

You have to keep in mind that the BCCI issue was started only after the 'big 3' changes. Other 2 boards also had a lot of advantages there.

BUT, they decided to let go of the unfair big 3 model in favor of promoting cricket.

No nation is bigger than the game itself, even if you're BCCI.

Exactly if nothing is bigger than the game,lets promote the womens cricket too ,set 25-30% funds for them.Women are taking up the sport and they need the flows why the hypocrisy then of how it was managed and what not.

 

[captain crook]

Wonder whether you'll be laughing once we expand the IPL and ruin the international cricket you seem to enjoy.

80% of revenue is generated by us- Indian fans who are patriotic. This doesn't end well for anyone who isn't Indian. If you think we sit down and take it without doing anything, you are very mistaken. India isn't a powerless but angry girlfriend...something people are going to realize soon.

Been hearing these empty threats for the past 4 years now. All talk, no action. Watch how BCCI compromises and plays CT as if this episode hasn't happened. BCCI knows it can't survive without international cricket. IPL is a joke without foreign players anyway.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Wonder whether you'll be laughing once we expand the IPL and ruin the international cricket you seem to enjoy.

80% of revenue is generated by us- Indian fans who are patriotic. This doesn't end well for anyone who isn't Indian. If you think we sit down and take it without doing anything, you are very mistaken. India isn't a powerless but angry girlfriend...something people are going to realize soon.

Stop this nonsense yaar. Indians are fakest patriots in the world. It is all just words, we will spit on roads throw litter, urinate, will do anything to hide our income, disobey laws, corrupt our government officials to get things faster and then we will bark at everyone who says anything negative about India. Do you really think Indians are going to be "patriotic" by stop watching ICC matches ? Money will be there where demand is. If an ICC event is taking place, tv channels will broadcast it and Indians will watch it.

 

[aloo paratha]

cant believe op is only 13

good post!

You must be kidding? Only 13? What a talent!!

Hey! I'm almost 15

 

[aloo paratha]

cant believe op is only 13

good post!

Some people from these countries leave their national team to play County Championship for Hampshire and you think they won't play IPL for $5 M a year? You are delusional.

ABD already quit Tests for IPL in effect and he is your gold standard for the proof that he will put SA over the millions of the IPL and being a hero in Bangalore?

Those are South African players who left due to lack of opportunities. Way to manipulate things

 

[Balthazar]

I am pretty sure that BCCI doesn't need ICC, but we do need international cricket. ICC events is not the only place you can arrange international matches.

 

[tomato]

Those are South African players who left due to lack of opportunities. Way to manipulate things

ABD lack opportunities? looks like you have no idea about financial situation in SA.

 

[Snak3eye5]

Indians/BCCI are just trying to play all this chaos card so they can pull out of Champions because they know very well they were going to loose to a newer, younger Pakistani team and thats a fact and they don't want to loose in a fair match where they know they are completely outmatched on every level..

 

[aloo paratha]

ABD lack opportunities? looks like you have no idea about financial situation in SA.

Abd is a different case, and you were clearly talking about Rilee rossow and Kyle abbot, I'm not dumb. Abd is late in his career anyways. You really think Abd will leave the SA team that made him what he is today for IPL?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

[MENTION=138508]aloo paratha[/MENTION] POTW stuff. Agree with your point by point analysis. Don't know how I missed this thread. But there are already some funny posts by BCCI spokesperson here. So we are going to boycott ICC backed tournaments like Champions Trophy but continue playing bilaterals against other ICC members and that too with 9 months of non stop Pyjama Cricket. )

 

[tomato]

Abd is a different case, and you were clearly talking about Rilee rossow and Kyle abbot, I'm not dumb. Abd is late in his career anyways. You really think Abd will leave the SA team that made him what he is today for IPL?

Obviously ABD will leave SA as he has to secure his future financially.Heck even Amla will come running.

 

[jagatk]

1) IPL gains interest through foreign players. Don't believe me? I'm sure India have a domestic T20 competition other than the IPL, how many people watch it? Since I don't know we'll use Pakistan as an example. I don't have numbers but it's not hard to think that less than a quarter of the people who watch PSL tune into the National Bank T20.

Not many or at least not good foreign cricketers will ditch their national team to come play IPL, and without international players where will the interest come from? How long will the average Indian fan watch mediocre cricket for? 1 year? 2 years? 5 years?

Cricketers outside England and Australia earn peanuts, if we consider indian cricket completely tries to get out of all forms of international cricket then the money from those will go and hurt the boards, will most cricketers support their boards in this powerplay or will they try and look after themselves, SA already have issues with kolpak due to the whole quota thing, you really most big guys won't jump ship, WI cricketers are mercenaries and will follow money which in this case will be ipl, frankly beyond england and australia there is a good chance of mass player exodus.

BCCI may still live without playing international cricket but it won't be good for their greedy administrators and especially in the interest of cricket in India itself. Some posters complain "We need this money for grass roots level" well guess what, international cricket makes more than 40% of India's annual income, while IPL makes around 30%. So now you have less money for your administrators and now grass roots as well.

And what happens to other boards whose big income is solely dependent on indian tours or icc income which is majorly propped by indian channel tv deals, this current situation is classic lose- lose for both sides, bcci and indian cricket will get hurt badly even to point of bankruptcy but at what cost, most international cricket will be bankrupted and closed down before we get near that point

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Stop this nonsense yaar. Indians are fakest patriots in the world. It is all just words, we will spit on roads throw litter, urinate, will do anything to hide our income, disobey laws, corrupt our government officials to get things faster and then we will bark at everyone who says anything negative about India. Do you really think Indians are going to be "patriotic" by stop watching ICC matches ? Money will be there where demand is. If an ICC event is taking place, tv channels will broadcast it and Indians will watch it.

Everything negative about an individual doesn't mean one isn't patriotic.

In fact, patriotism means you will show support for national identity when it comes into question.

I agree people are too sensitive about negative comments towards India, but when you consider money is literally being stolen from India to subsidize other countries it's absolutely right when most Indians have a huge problem with this, and fans by and large will support a boycott.

And secondly, I actually will watch, but I guarantee you viewership will plummet if India does not play.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

I agree with the OP.Some fans are acting like this but I'm sure the majority of them will value international cricket over the IPL.

 

[captain crook]

[MENTION=138508]aloo paratha[/MENTION] POTW stuff. Agree with your point by point analysis. Don't know how I missed this thread. But there are already some funny posts by BCCI spokesperson here. So we are going to boycott ICC backed tournaments like Champions Trophy but continue playing bilaterals against other ICC members and that too with 9 months of non stop Pyjama Cricket. )

Finally an Indian who isn't jingoistic or delusional. Good to see guys like this..

 

[czar]

I will definitely watch ICC events whether or not India plays because first and foremost I am a Cricket lover and I'm sure there are millions of other Fans in India who would. I'm not going to give up on my Cricket addiction and switch allegiance to Badminton just because a deal between BCCI and ICC went sour. Offcoursee it's great to have your National team playing but it's absence won't suddenly result in the masses ignoring Cricket altogether. Without India, the viewership might not be like the 2011 CWC but it will atleast be closer to 2007 CWC which is sufficient for ICC imo.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why can't countries like Pakistan/England/Aussies can take some cut in their share so that burden on BCCI reduce further?

Australia hasnt even take a cut.Its share has infact increased.

 

[aloo paratha]

[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] sorry for quoting you so much I had it multi quoted by accident.

 

[Slog]

[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] sorry for quoting you so much I had it multi quoted by accident.

lol no need to apologise for that bro

 

[Napa]

Oh and to add salt to the wound, the ICC revenue distribution is around 7%of India's annual revenue

Are you sure about this number? ICC's revenues are supposed to be $2.5 billion. If that is 7%, then India's annual revenue becomes $35 billion, seems too high.

 

[Napa]

I agree with the OP.Some fans are acting like this but I'm sure the majority of them will value international cricket over the IPL.

Yeah, just like Indians spend their time watching the current series between Pakistan and WI which isn't broadcast in India.

 

[BD-fan]

Doesn't have to be as big as the american leagues just has to be bigger than international cricket which it already is. And plenty of foreigners will leave int cricket once the millions are thrown at them. And it'll start slow but as India's income keeps growing at the rate it is (7-8%) the league will keep getting bigger and soon will be the only thing. India by 2030 will be the third largest economy by nominal terms anyway.

How long of an IPL season you plan to have? 4 months? Few like McCullum, Gayle who are all but retired will love that. If you go 6 months and Bangalore playing Punjab 8 times a season, how many years you have the appetite to see this same match up? Best of luck on whatever you guys do. You want to take Shakib and Fizz? They go when they are 35+.

 

[msb314]

All smoke and mirrors for me.

BCCI will accept the $100M offer and will move on with their life as if nothing happened....

 

[Sadevdesai]

The game of " Chicken " is being played here !!!! Both sides are waiting to see if the other side blinks First !!!! What a shame !!!!! Somehow they will find a way to mess up Cricket !!!

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Yeah, just like Indians spend their time watching the current series between Pakistan and WI which isn't broadcast in India.

The series between Pakistan and West Indies isn't an ICC tournament.

 

[Junaids]

All smoke and mirrors for me.

BCCI will accept the $100M offer and will move on with their life as if nothing happened....

But now they have exposed themselves.

The BCCI has basically admitted that its spending is so out of control that without a $450 million handout they are insolvent.

It turns out that after purporting to be the cricketing equivalent of Germany, it turns out that the BCCI is actually Greece, and without a massive bailout it's flat broke.

The BCCI is now completely exposed. It's a Ponzi scheme, reliant upon the ICC to deliver it money for it to then spend.

 

[shravan]

But now they have exposed themselves.



The BCCI has basically admitted that its spending is so out of control that without a $450 million handout they are insolvent.

It turns out that after purporting to be the cricketing equivalent of Germany, it turns out that the BCCI is actually Greece, and without a massive bailout it's flat broke.

The BCCI is now completely exposed. It's a Ponzi scheme, reliant upon the ICC to deliver it money for it to then spend.

Either Post a link or stop spewing garbage.

 

[90MPH]

Yeah, just like Indians spend their time watching the current series between Pakistan and WI which isn't broadcast in India.

Well some were so desperate they had to watch PSL final on illegal internet steams. As someone said fake nationalism will get you nowhere.

 

[Junaids]

Either Post a link or stop spewing garbage.

Try this:
http://www.news18.com/cricketnext/n...s-trophy-pull-out-after-icc-snub-1386001.html

In particular:
"We realise that pulling out of the Champions Trophy would also mean pulling out of the future ICC events, including the World Cup as per the Members Participation Agreement (MPA). But we have our back against the wall and there is no option left with us because to come down from $571m to $293m is just not possible."

 

[jusarrived]

But now they have exposed themselves.

The BCCI has basically admitted that its spending is so out of control that without a $450 million handout they are insolvent.

It turns out that after purporting to be the cricketing equivalent of Germany, it turns out that the BCCI is actually Greece, and without a massive bailout it's flat broke.

The BCCI is now completely exposed. It's a Ponzi scheme, reliant upon the ICC to deliver it money for it to then spend.

I am not even sure why you hang on to these irrelevant things , its a ponzi scheme cos they claim they need a certain amount of money to ..what an expose !!

 

[Bengaluru]

To understand India's impact on cricket you need to only look at the Champions Trophy tickets page:
https://championstrophy.tickets.icc-cricket.com/
All tickets are still available except India matches and the finals.
I remember during 2011 WC I paid 10k for an Ind v Eng ticket which was priced at 1k. 2 days later I was back at the near empty stadium to watch Ireland beat England in one of the most iconic ODI matches of all time. It was surreal to be sitting in the same stadium which was bursting at the seams only 2 days ago. Point is: without India, cricket as we know it is dead as no other country fans are as fanatic as Indians are. BCCI should not be asking the ICC anything, they should be telling them.

 

[Junaids]

To understand India's impact on cricket you need to only look at the Champions Trophy tickets page:
https://championstrophy.tickets.icc-cricket.com/
All tickets are still available except India matches and the finals.
I remember during 2011 WC I paid 10k for an Ind v Eng ticket which was priced at 1k. 2 days later I was back at the near empty stadium to watch Ireland beat England in one of the most iconic ODI matches of all time. It was surreal to be sitting in the same stadium which was bursting at the seams only 2 days ago. Point is: without India, cricket as we know it is dead as no other country fans are as fanatic as Indians are. BCCI should not be asking the ICC anything, they should be telling them.

You have missed the point completely.

The point is that 50 overs ODIs are a dying format except in India.

In England we prefer Tests, and in Australia we prefer Day/Night Tests.

As for your last point, the BCCI has basically admitted that it's broke. Without massive handouts they are insolvent because they spend too much.

 

[Bengaluru]

You have missed the point completely.

The point is that 50 overs ODIs are a dying format except in India.

In England we prefer Tests, and in Australia we prefer Day/Night Tests.

As for your last point, the BCCI has basically admitted that it's broke. Without massive handouts they are insolvent because they spend too much.

Was that the Royal 'we'? 'You' may prefer whatever you want but the truth is that you can still buy tickets for the England v SA tests this summer (Lords sold out). When India toured England 2 years ago all the test match tickets were sold out months in advance. BCCI being broke is a figment of your imagination, dream on!

 

[super hitter]

ALL the mad supporters of the BCCI have kind of a general rule, Money over respect!

Seriously? Why'd ABD etc. leave SA for IPL?

 

[jagatk]

ALL the mad supporters of the BCCI have kind of a general rule, Money over respect!

Seriously? Why'd ABD etc. leave SA for IPL?

Is it the same general rule that expects expects others to do the self sacrificial things because you yourself aren't hurt. A cricketer's avg career lasts max until late 30's after that he must fend for himself for lot less money than he used to earn, would you play for your corrupt board (thats what all of them are bcci,ecb,ca pick any) or will you try and make sure that you earn enough money for a good life for you and your family. We are talking earning millions here, in this case this is Abd's yearly earning from SA cricket is $120,000 from ipl it $1.43 mn, will you pick ipl or SA?

 

[Junaids]

ALL the mad supporters of the BCCI have kind of a general rule, Money over respect!

Seriously? Why'd ABD etc. leave SA for IPL?

I agree with them on this.

He's 33.

It's normal that he should seek to secure his retirement funds. That's why the ICC should employ cricketers at standard international rates. He should be on $600K per year, not $120K.

 

[big_gamer007]

Ok people need to realise couple of things:

1. NBA is thriving because 80-90% of the best talent in basketball comes from USA, in cricket the best talent DOES not come from India we contribute to Day about 15-20%?
2. USA is the most developed country in the world they can attract people from smaller countries to settle down in USA for 9 months a year.. Do you guys seriously think an Australian or English or NZ player would leave their country for 9 months a year to live in India when he can earn money playing for his country?? What IPL would get is people like Xavi, Pires, Beckham, Henry etc who went abroad to make money during the last 2-3 years when they were over the hill..
3. For IPL to be 9 months long you need 16-24 teams, if you make 16-24 teams the Quality of play would severely degrade.. T20 is mostly about powerhitting India is not known to produce powerhitters and our domestic system can't produce enough quality players to fill 16-24 teams..

At the end of the day BCCI and ICC would come to a compromise and both set of keyboard warriors here can claim victory..

 

[Ph_11]

They will come to compromise but that would be because of Australia board. Not because of ECB or PCB. I was told that by some administrator.

IPL will thrive. PSL will thrive.

IPL will have bigger window and we will be better of.

 

[Junaids]

They will come to compromise but that would be because of Australia board. Not because of ECB or PCB. I was told that by some administrator.

IPL will thrive. PSL will thrive.

IPL will have bigger window and we will be better of.

The compromise is already there. It's $400 million. This is just grandstanding by the BCCI.

 

[Ph_11]

The compromise is already there. It's $400 million. This is just grandstanding by the BCCI.

It will be closer to $450.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They will come to compromise but that would be because of Australia board. Not because of ECB or PCB. I was told that by some administrator.

IPL will thrive. PSL will thrive.

IPL will have bigger window and we will be better of.

The figure has to be close to 445mn for this to work. The BCCI SGM is on 7th May. Lets see what happens.There is no consensus in what is to be done here.Many want a pull out,some want a slow revenge strategy and then there is the CoA.

 

[big_gamer007]

Ok people need to realise couple of things:

1. NBA is thriving because 80-90% of the best talent in basketball comes from USA, in cricket the best talent DOES not come from India we contribute to Day about 15-20%?
2. USA is the most developed country in the world they can attract people from smaller countries to settle down in USA for 9 months a year.. Do you guys seriously think an Australian or English or NZ player would leave their country for 9 months a year to live in India when he can earn money playing for his country?? What IPL would get is people like Xavi, Pires, Beckham, Henry etc who went abroad to make money during the last 2-3 years when they were over the hill..
3. For IPL to be 9 months long you need 16-24 teams, if you make 16-24 teams the Quality of play would severely degrade.. T20 is mostly about powerhitting India is not known to produce powerhitters and our domestic system can't produce enough quality players to fill 16-24 teams..

At the end of the day BCCI and ICC would come to a compromise and both set of keyboard warriors here can claim victory..

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=143230]Ph_11[/MENTION] [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] [MENTION=138508]aloo paratha[/MENTION] [MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION]

 

[aloo paratha]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=143230]Ph_11[/MENTION] [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] [MENTION=138508]aloo paratha[/MENTION] [MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION]

Exactly what this thread is about, BCCI need international cricket whether their fans like it or not.

 

[Amir]

Exactly what this thread is about, BCCI need international cricket whether their fans like it or not.

That is the hard thing BCCI chest pounders like cricketjoshila, ZAK fan are having a hard time grasping. You can pull out of ICC tournaments but don't think other board will then feel compelled to honor the FTP. It will be some pain for them but for the greater good in the long term.

Indians have memories of Sachin taking on McGrath. Sunil vs Imran. Dhoni vs whoever. Do you think any Indian remembers Sachin's great century against Srinath and Prasad? No.

One day, these BCCI blind lovers will realize that India needs competitive international cricket as much as it needs India. The true cricket fans, which are many in India, will turn away if you think IPL is all you need.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Everything negative about an individual doesn't mean one isn't patriotic.

In fact, patriotism means you will show support for national identity when it comes into question.

I agree people are too sensitive about negative comments towards India, but when you consider money is literally being stolen from India to subsidize other countries it's absolutely right when most Indians have a huge problem with this, and fans by and large will support a boycott.

And secondly, I actually will watch, but I guarantee you viewership will plummet if India does not play.

Bro we never had this money before we made a clique with ECB and ACB. We would be fine losing 3.5% of our revenue while it is a lot for the rest of the world. This is like asking a wealthy person to pay an extra tax. It is fine, we'll be good.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=143230]Ph_11[/MENTION] [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] [MENTION=138508]aloo paratha[/MENTION] [MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION]

You are right. Most of the guys think that its easy to replicate EPL, NBA, NHL or MLB without even knowing about they run it. These sports can survive without international matches but cricket can't. Thank you for a sensible post.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

That is the hard thing BCCI chest pounders like cricketjoshila, ZAK fan are having a hard time grasping. You can pull out of ICC tournaments but don't think other board will then feel compelled to honor the FTP. It will be some pain for them but for the greater good in the long term.

Indians have memories of Sachin taking on McGrath. Sunil vs Imran. Dhoni vs whoever. Do you think any Indian remembers Sachin's great century against Srinath and Prasad? No.

One day, these BCCI blind lovers will realize that India needs competitive international cricket as much as it needs India. The true cricket fans, which are many in India, will turn away if you think IPL is all you need.

You are talking too much sense here. Some of these guys think that BCCI can create another governing body on top of its head or they can create two Indian teams who can play against each other. According to them we can boycott ICC events but keep playing against other ICC members in bilateral series.

 

[big_gamer007]

That is the hard thing BCCI chest pounders like cricketjoshila, ZAK fan are having a hard time grasping. You can pull out of ICC tournaments but don't think other board will then feel compelled to honor the FTP. It will be some pain for them but for the greater good in the long term.

Indians have memories of Sachin taking on McGrath. Sunil vs Imran. Dhoni vs whoever. Do you think any Indian remembers Sachin's great century against Srinath and Prasad? No.

One day, these BCCI blind lovers will realize that India needs competitive international cricket as much as it needs India. The true cricket fans, which are many in India, will turn away if you think IPL is all you need.

You are right. Most of the guys think that its easy to replicate EPL, NBA, NHL or MLB without even knowing about they run it. These sports can survive without international matches but cricket can't. Thank you for a sensible post.

Don't worry BCCI is more aware of the pros and cons about pulling out of CT, when it comes to money they are far from being inept so they would not take any rash decisions.. Right now it's just a power struggle going on and each side is trying to see who caves in first, ultimately a resolution would come out and each side would be happy..

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Don't worry BCCI is more aware of the pros and cons about pulling out of CT, when it comes to money they are far from being inept so they would not take any rash decisions.. Right now it's just a power struggle going on and each side is trying to see who caves in first, ultimately a resolution would come out and each side would be happy..

Yes. The problem is too many BCCI spokesperson think that its easy to boycott ICC. Hopefully BCCI will not think emotionally like some of our fans are doing.

Also real cricket fans want to see India vs Pakistan match. [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

 

[Napa]

The series between Pakistan and West Indies isn't an ICC tournament.

I was replying to a post that said "international cricket", which I believe Pak-WI series is indeed.

 

[Napa]

Ok people need to realise couple of things:

1. NBA is thriving because 80-90% of the best talent in basketball comes from USA, in cricket the best talent DOES not come from India we contribute to Day about 15-20%?
2. USA is the most developed country in the world they can attract people from smaller countries to settle down in USA for 9 months a year.. Do you guys seriously think an Australian or English or NZ player would leave their country for 9 months a year to live in India when he can earn money playing for his country?? What IPL would get is people like Xavi, Pires, Beckham, Henry etc who went abroad to make money during the last 2-3 years when they were over the hill..
3. For IPL to be 9 months long you need 16-24 teams, if you make 16-24 teams the Quality of play would severely degrade.. T20 is mostly about powerhitting India is not known to produce powerhitters and our domestic system can't produce enough quality players to fill 16-24 teams..

At the end of the day BCCI and ICC would come to a compromise and both set of keyboard warriors here can claim victory..

1. It doesn't matter where the talent is coming from, what matters is where the people are playing money to watch. And NBA is about 30% foreign now (131 players from 41 countries http://pr.nba.com/nba-rosters-international-players-2016-17/), which is more than IPL is foreign.

2. I have met expats in Bangalore who just don't want to leave. Their lifestyles are much more luxurious than it would be back home. If a 25 year old is offered $5 million to play in India with the best players vs. $1 million to play at home, I can tell you that for 99% the choice be a no-brainer. IPL is growing very rapidly and come back and check my post in ten years.

3. The number of teams depends upon the number of markets. A market is a geographical area wealthy enough to support a team and be able to identify with it. If India naturally divides into 8 markets, then we will have 8 teams, if 12 then 12... I think the number of markets is probably around 20 based on the fact that India has 22 major languages. Anyway, the number of markets is of minor importance. Even 8 is enough to provide sufficient programming.

Also it is not only powerhitting and T20, there is nothing which says there is not a space for a OD league. If it can make money, it will happen.

 

[KhalidRafi]

The arrogance of some Indian fans here is truly staggering.

 

[captain crook]

Yes. The problem is too many BCCI spokesperson think that its easy to boycott ICC. Hopefully BCCI will not think emotionally like some of our fans are doing.

Also real cricket fans want to see India vs Pakistan match. [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

Nah man.. we guys are not interested to play you crybabies anymore. Go and play your IPL throughout the year.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Nah man.. we guys are not interested to play you crybabies anymore. Go and play your IPL throughout the year.

Sorry I don't watch IPL.

 

[captain crook]

Sorry I don't watch IPL.

Then stop watching cricket. Don't beg us to play matches with you guys. We remember how you humiliated us.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Then stop watching cricket. Don't beg us to play matches with you guys. We remember how you humiliated us.

Meh. Wishing something is not equal to begging. Try again.

 

[captain crook]

Meh. Wishing something is not equal to begging. Try again.

I didn't know there were still Indians left who want good relations with Pakistan. At least I don't see them anywhere online. Is it just you or are there people who follow Pakistan cricket closely?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I didn't know there were still Indians left who want good relations with Pakistan. At least I don't see them anywhere online. Is it just you or are there people who follow Pakistan cricket closely?

They all follow Pakistan cricket too. I mean why would they come to a Pakistani site then?

 

[captain crook]

They all follow Pakistan cricket too. I mean why would they come to a Pakistani site then?

Haha.. and it also proves that cricket lovers will watch/follow cricket whether their team plays or not. Even if BCCI pulls out, Indian people will still tune in to watch cricket, no matter who is playing..

 

[super hitter]

Is it the same general rule that expects expects others to do the self sacrificial things because you yourself aren't hurt. A cricketer's avg career lasts max until late 30's after that he must fend for himself for lot less money than he used to earn, would you play for your corrupt board (thats what all of them are bcci,ecb,ca pick any) or will you try and make sure that you earn enough money for a good life for you and your family. We are talking earning millions here, in this case this is Abd's yearly earning from SA cricket is $120,000 from ipl it $1.43 mn, will you pick ipl or SA?

I agree with them on this.

He's 33.

It's normal that he should seek to secure his retirement funds. That's why the ICC should employ cricketers at standard international rates. He should be on $600K per year, not $120K.

You can say that for a dozen more players but not a super star like ABD who has earned massive repute as a South African.

 

[Junaids]

You are talking too much sense here. Some of these guys think that BCCI can create another governing body on top of its head or they can create two Indian teams who can play against each other. According to them we can boycott ICC events but keep playing against other ICC members in bilateral series.

It's actually even funnier than that.

I seriously doubt that the BCCI can afford to buy toilet paper without ICC welfare handouts.

They have an income from IPL and TV rights which is more than double what any other board has.

But they are so fiscally incompetent - incontinent even - that they are spending even more than they earn, and they can't pay their bills without welfare handouts.

And they think they can create a new global cricket structure?

 

[Junaids]

If a 25 year old is offered $5 million to play in India with the best players vs. $1 million to play at home, I can tell you that for 99% the choice be a no-brainer. IPL is growing very rapidly and come back and check.

Yes, it would be a no-brainer.

99% of 25 year olds would stay in England or Australia or South Africa or New Zealand for $1 million instead of $5 million to live and play in India.

There is a threshold - I'd say around $200,000 - at which any 25-30 year old in those countries considers their income to be good enough that it's not worth moving to a Third World country for more.

That's why you see young Australia and British and Irish nurses in the Middle East, but not doctors.

I agree that in their thirties sportsmen would take a big offer from India, as they near the end of their careers.

 

[Napa]

There is a threshold - I'd say around $200,000 - at which any 25-30 year old in those countries considers their income to be good enough that it's not worth moving to a Third World country for more.

You have obviously not ever stayed in the ultra-luxury Indian hotels like the Umaid Bhawan Palace rated #1 by Tripadvisor users. Nor are you likely aware that India is home to the software and pharma companies worth tens of billions of dollars and ultra-tech endeavors like space programs.

You can't seem to stay away from gratuitous insults, and they are beginning to grate. I think I need to stop responding to you.

 

[Junaids]

You have obviously not ever stayed in the ultra-luxury Indian hotels like the Umaid Bhawan Palace rated #1 by Tripadvisor users. Nor are you likely aware that India is home to the software and pharma companies worth tens of billions of dollars and ultra-tech endeavors like space programs.

You can't seem to stay away from gratuitous insults, and they are beginning to grate. I think I need to stop responding to you.

It's not an insult to India, and I'm baffled that you take it that way. And I'm sorry that I have upset you, because I enjoy debating with you and I mean no personal offence at all.

I very clearly stated in another thread that even though all Australians enjoy the right to live and work in the USA on an E3 visa, hardly any of them take up the opportunity.

Most people living in wealthy countries would only move if either:

1. They are poor, or
2. The other country offers an idyllic lifestyle (Southern California, Australia, Cape Town, Durban etc).

But people who are already rich and living in a desirable place are highly unlikely to move to become even richer but in a less desirable place.

If I'm Mitchell Starc and living on the waterfront in Sydney - with a wife who works in Australia - and I already take holidays in the best hotels in Bora Bora, Hawaii and California, why would I be tempted at the age of 27 to move to Bangalore (or Bristol) where I will hardly ever see my friends or family?

I clearly would not do it.

If I'm AB De Villiers aged 33, maybe, for a year or two.

But not in my twenties. It's unthinkable.

 

[Rafa]

None of the Cricketers from the First World would ever want to stay in any of the Indian Cities for 6-8 months for a domestic league to earn some extra millions.

None of the cities in India can provide the same quality and standard of living compared to cities in Australia, NZ and England.

 

[Napa]

It's not an insult to India, and I'm baffled that you take it that way.

This may be news to you, but "Third World" is used as an insult.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

I didn't know there were still Indians left who want good relations with Pakistan. At least I don't see them anywhere online. Is it just you or are there people who follow Pakistan cricket closely?

I do. I support Pakistan 100% of the time when India doesn't play and I have quite a few Pakistani friends.

I also think the BCCI is dead right here and we should boycott.

If you actually read my posts, you would see this.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

It's not an insult to India, and I'm baffled that you take it that way. And I'm sorry that I have upset you, because I enjoy debating with you and I mean no personal offence at all.

I very clearly stated in another thread that even though all Australians enjoy the right to live and work in the USA on an E3 visa, hardly any of them take up the opportunity.

Most people living in wealthy countries would only move if either:

1. They are poor, or
2. The other country offers an idyllic lifestyle (Southern California, Australia, Cape Town, Durban etc).

But people who are already rich and living in a desirable place are highly unlikely to move to become even richer but in a less desirable place.

If I'm Mitchell Starc and living on the waterfront in Sydney - with a wife who works in Australia - and I already take holidays in the best hotels in Bora Bora, Hawaii and California, why would I be tempted at the age of 27 to move to Bangalore (or Bristol) where I will hardly ever see my friends or family?

I clearly would not do it.

If I'm AB De Villiers aged 33, maybe, for a year or two.

But not in my twenties. It's unthinkable.

India is a third world country, but the relevant point is living standards and from that perspective it's just not the case if you have money. India also is home to a staggering number of incredibly rich people and money can buy you pretty much all the comforts (At a much more reasonable price) it can in the West.

 

[Junaids]

India is a third world country, but the relevant point is living standards and from that perspective it's just not the case if you have money. India also is home to a staggering number of incredibly rich people and money can buy you pretty much all the comforts (At a much more reasonable price) it can in the West.

Sure, and I understand that. I don't argue that point at all!

But my point was that if you are already in the highest 1% of earners in Australia or England or South Africa, you are not going to move to a poor country away from friends and family and familiar comforts just to earn even more money.

By the way, I'd like to make a full apology to [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]. I actually thought that "Third World" was just a description, not an insult. I've excluded the expression from this post and I would from my previous ones if I could. I have no wish to offend you or anybody else.

 

[Napa]

Sure, and I understand that. I don't argue that point at all!

But my point was that if you are already in the highest 1% of earners in Australia or England or South Africa, you are not going to move to a poor country away from friends and family and familiar comforts just to earn even more money.

By the way, I'd like to make a full apology to [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]. I actually thought that "Third World" was just a description, not an insult. I've excluded the expression from this post and I would from my previous ones if I could. I have no wish to offend you or anybody else.

Okay then, thanks

 

[MMHS]

I think, BCCI is caught in their own trap here.

It's true that, most cricket money (I won't go to %, as I don't know) in generated by Indian companies & broadcasters. Last year, a triangular between WI, SAF & AUS was title sponsored by "Cycle Pure Agarbati.......". This is because, cricket is extremely popular in South Asia, & simply by volume, IND is the biggest market. But, I am not sure about the claim that, it's only because IND plays Cricket & Indians watch their players - or other way, BCCI can make same amount of money without participating in ICC events, rather declaring Ranji & IPL Champions as world champion, ala USA style.

Few years back, BCCI used to arrange Challenger Cup between IND A, B, C (Or Red, Blue, Green), with almost every of their Internationals & those were meaningful matches, as used for selection. I have hardly seen any media hype for those (probably telecasted only by DD Sports, not even DD National) & the stadiums were not sold out either for a far cheaper ticket. Therefore, I am pretty sure that majority of Indian people want to see IND taking on International teams, zenith of which is ICC events. Here comparison with North American franchise leagues is a bit foolish, because Baseball, Football (Yank style), Ice Hockey & Basketball was played by MLB, NFL, NHL & NBA franchise for decades, before International - these are not Country specific game; while Cricket is primarily a game between countries. IPL can build that brand image, but it'll take many, many years - for the time being, I am not sure what % of Indian would like to see Kohli playing with AB (RCB) or against AB (CT).

Coming to boycotting ICC events, I don't think it's so simple. BCCI's most money comes from sponsors & broadcasters - not sure, if their major sponsors will be too happy, if BCCI stops participating ICC events. I am not sure if they bother more for the love of BCCI or return on their investment - obviously I don't believe that sponsors will appreciate IND A vs IND B, instead of IND vs PAK, or IND vs AUS in CT SF, but I might be wrong. Every such contracts (sponsorship & broadcast) actually has some quality & quantity clause - the 100% payment of the contract is subject to minimum number of matches by their brand ambassador (here team IND) & against whom - obviously, I won't have paid same money for IND playing a triangular with Afghans & Irish boys, instead of CT, but may be Indian companies will give that for the respect of BCCI's moral stand.

Regarding BCCI's expenses, what [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] has said, may be true, but it can be manageable (simple BCCI'll reduce is expenditure), but not sure if it's manageable to satisfy the sponsors & mass people, who might not like to watch IPL during ICC events (I am SURE, BCCI can do this - mini IPL during CT & pull some players at least from teams outside ENG & AUS). It doesn't touch bilateral, therefore no point discussing it - if IND agrees 5 ODI at UAE against PAK, tomorrow, Shariar will be the first man to alter his vote, therefore I don't think it's even a discussion point.

There is one more small factor - now, BCCI is bullying BPL, PSL, CPL even BB, by blocking their players. Once EPL (cricket) starts, the scenario will change - not sure about the financials, but it won't be walk over for IPL, (@Hitwicket, can you please give some estimates about some figures?). Many, players won't risk their National spot, for playing IPL, if he has an alternate contract at EPL, while unless BCCI releases it's players for EPL, I am sure ECB will do the same for it's players - OR may be even for anyone that plays EPL.

BUT, what is the critical factor here & that's exactly where BCCI is caught, is that this revenue sharing model is for 2015-2023 period, which includes the 2023 WC & IND is the host. Now, boycotting ICC events means, risking the hosting rights of 2023 WC, unless off course some might argue that IND will be hosting that WC without participating & BCCI will arrange IPL during that WC, again buying out some players, which they definitely can do. If ICL can buy almost entire PAK team, BCCI can buy at least half of world cricket for sure - still there will be a WC & I'll expect Sanzamul to win it for us, instead of if not Sakib - this is where the difference between New York Yankees & Mumbai Indians.

So,there are 5 factors in my long story (not is priority)

1. BCCI's internal expense (or that lavish life style)
2. Sponsorship & broadcasting contracts/money
3. Financial success of IPL (simple, if they are to buy out players for mark-up, it simply increases cost - New York Cosmos survived 3 years)
4. Public sentiments & political pressure from opposition
5. WC 2023 hosting rights

The key to bullying is that, you always present yourself more powerful than you are & never allow secrets get out of your pocket. This guy Manohar must have seen much, much more than what we can regarding those 5 points - called the bluff. Now, BCCI has even made it worse by declining that extra 100mn - it's has come to a standout of withdrawing from CT or play according to ICC's play book.

Personally, I do feel Cricket definitely needs BCCI (IND) for it's growth, but same is true for BCCI (IND) as well, actually more, as long as Empire is strong.