The difference between a spin-bowler (most subcontinent offies) and swing-bowlers

[BunnyRabbit]

I have a different vision for both these two different sort of bowlers.

Let me explain to you,

A spinner is like an old age magician who can not keep his audience interested, the only way for an old worn out magician is his grand trick(doosra, googly, dipper, slider or flighted one) that he has to show more often than not to please the audience (putting doubts in the batsmen mind).
Without his grand trick, he becomes boring(unthreatening) and the audience gets bored of him(play him out). So being a worn out magician,(spinners aren't very quick and batsmen can play them and read them with good footwork), so having one of those variations is a key for a spinner to succeed in today's world of cricket which he has to show off more often than not to tell the audience that he can survive (get wickets)

Now a pace bowler is the new magician, agile, has a wide bag of tricks and most importantly, he is young(he bowls faster than a spinner) and gives less time to the batsmen to read his bowling. His need for a grand trick is also a must(swinging the other way), but he doesn't have to show off it every now and then because his usual tricks(pace, conventional away swinger) please the audience(gets the wicket), this new magician is more agile and more eye catching. To be the really superior one, he needs to have a grand trick of himself but keeping it concealed and keeping the batsmen guessing is his big trick, because he can get the wickets without his master trick. He has pace and conventional swing which can undo a batsmen any day but having a surprise trick which he can show off sporadically makes his audience always guessing whether he will show his master trick today or not making him a more exciting jester.

In short what i wanted to say is, a pace just needs his usual box of tricks to outdo a batsmen and doesnt have to use his inswinger every now and then to be dangerous for the batsmen, while a spinner definitely needs variations to survive against the batsmen!!


Your thoughts!!!

 

[Thivagar]

Only spin bowlers that turn are very entertaining to see, especially those that flight the ball. What people don't know is that if you give enough revs, even minor adjustments to the seam position will force the ball to behave slightly different. For example, scrambled seam Legbreak will behave a bit differently than the traditional leg break delivery with seam pointing towards the 3rd man. It will drop more but not dip aggressively and in a smooth fashion like the traditional "dip", turns at a slower speed and bounce less. Leg break with seam pointing towards the 1st slip or between the keeper and 1st slip will dip a lot more, gets ton of bounce, may get little or no drift and turn just a little and it is called the "Top-spin Leg break". You can also make the seam point towards Deep-Backward Point and it will turn a lot more, have more drift, and dip a little or none. There are tons of variations that a bowler can bowl by just using his stock ball and that is why Murali and Warne were all successful. You can pick their Leg Break or Off Break but you can't pick how much dip, drift, and turn it will get unless it is too late. You must know that you can only have these variations if you impart lot of revs on the ball or else you won't see any difference at all. The more revs you impart, the less accurate you will be meaning you have to spend hours and hours in the net to be good.


The swing bowlers are all clowns, he thinks he is entertaining the crowd but more often he is being used and trampled for the entertainment of others. These roided bats make bowlers look weak. Even miss timed shots end up going for sixes. Good that ICC is planning to put limitation on bat sizes but even 40MM bats are way too big.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Only spin bowlers that turn are very entertaining to see, especially those that flight the ball. What people don't know is that if you give enough revs, even minor adjustments to the seam position will force the ball to behave slightly different. For example, scrambled seam Legbreak will behave a bit differently than the traditional leg break delivery with seam pointing towards the 3rd man. It will drop more but not dip aggressively and in a smooth fashion like the traditional "dip", turns at a slower speed and bounce less. Leg break with seam pointing towards the 1st slip or between the keeper and 1st slip will dip a lot more, gets ton of bounce, may get little or no drift and turn just a little and it is called the "Top-spin Leg break". You can also make the seam point towards Deep-Backward Point and it will turn a lot more, have more drift, and dip a little or none. There are tons of variations that a bowler can bowl by just using his stock ball and that is why Murali and Warne were all successful. You can pick their Leg Break or Off Break but you can't pick how much dip, drift, and turn it will get unless it is too late. You must know that you can only have these variations if you impart lot of revs on the ball or else you won't see any difference at all. The more revs you impart, the less accurate you will be meaning you have to spend hours and hours in the net to be good.


The swing bowlers are all clowns, he thinks he is entertaining the crowd but more often he is being used and trampled for the entertainment of others. These roided bats make bowlers look weak. Even miss timed shots end up going for sixes. Good that ICC is planning to put limitation on bat sizes but even 40MM bats are way too big.

Isn't dip and drop the same?

 

[Thivagar]

Isn't dip and drop the same?

Well yeah, but I like using two different words as both "dip" or "drop" differently based on the seam position. The traditional Leg Break dips in a smooth, curved, steep arch like fashion. With the scrambled Leg Break you have seam going all over the place and the aerodynamics gets disturbed, causing the ball to drop unevenly. There is no real smooth curve, but rather the ball drops anywhere from little to a lot. This is how Murali picked up most of his wickets.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Well yeah, but I like using two different words as both "dip" or "drop" differently based on the seam position. The traditional Leg Break dips in a smooth, curved, steep arch like fashion. With the scrambled Leg Break you have seam going all over the place and the aerodynamics gets disturbed, causing the ball to drop unevenly. There is no real smooth curve, but rather the ball drops anywhere from little to a lot. This is how Murali picked up most of his wickets.

Wow...interesting.

So Warne too could get both types of dips too right?