The ENTIRE Pakistan top order is expendable!

[Mamoon]

Pakistan’s main problem is the lack of quality. Most of our players are not good enough regardless of how old they are.

These youngsters of today will be TTFs of tomorrow.

 

[Junaids]

Pakistan’s main problem is the lack of quality. Most of our players are not good enough regardless of how old they are.

These youngsters of today will be TTFs of tomorrow.

I'm going to 100% accept your argument.

Surely then, if the older players aren't good enough, the best bet is surely to develop youngsters in the hope that some will develop.

I don't understand the logic of picking TTFs.

 

[Saj]

Mentally amongst the weakest Pakistan top order there has ever been.

Too many batsmen unable to fight it out.

 

[Junaids]

Mentally amongst the weakest Pakistan top order there has ever been.

Too many batsmen unable to fight it out.

But these guys are over 30. Every single one of them!

We saw in the warm-up match that they had to be bailed out by Rohail Nazir, who is just a talented kid. But he had more guts and determination than men over a decade older, who are used to failure and have lost confidence in their fading skills as their hand-eye coordination and reflexes fade.

Why pick 5 of these failing geriatrics as your entire complement of specialist batsmen?

Don't we want to find out whether Saud Shakeel and Rohail Nazir have what it takes?

I offended [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] the other week by suggesting that Rizwan is the second best batsman and that he should discard the gloves to move up the order and to allow Rohail to bat at Number 6.

Pakistan just got bowled out for less than 250 on a pretty tame wicket by a bunch of medium pacers.

I'd rather see a Top Six in which Shan Masood, Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam are joined by Saud Shakeel, Haider Ali and Rohail Nazir.

With Shadab Khan, Amad Butt and Faheem Ashraf to top it up with lower middle-order runs.

Sure, they'd still lose. But they would be young enough to develop, and to learn from their mistakes.

Whereas Abid, Azhar, Haris and Fawad know that their reflexes and vision are fading, and are just like rabbits caught in the headlights as soon as they leave Asia.

 

[Kroll]

Whilst the premise of this thread wasn't a big revelation. It was clear that this was going to happen. And happened it did, just like clock work.

Issue was that expired players weren't moved on when they should have and new players phased in to take their place. The planning and selections have been a disaster.

Before they heap more misery on the fans and humiliation on the nation, Misbah and Waqar need to be removed IMMEDIATELY before Pakistan cricket as we know it is sucked into an abyss.

Pakistan cricket needs saved.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

You are missing the point.

I TOTALLY agree that from 2010 to 2017 Fawad Alam had more right to be playing Test cricket than Asad Shafiq or Misbah-ul-Haq.

But he is 35 now, and at an age where every foreign batsman of his age apart from Ross Taylor has already retired. All of them.

What's the point of picking someone in 2021 for what he did in domestic cricket in 2015? This is the trap that Misbah has fallen into with Abid Ali too.

By all means reward good QEA performances - but the same year. I'd be fine with Saud Shakeel and Mohammad Nawaz and Sajid Khan and Hasan Ali being called up for the next series.

But don't wait 5 years and then pick them then for what they did now.

Fawad Alam was badly treated when he should have been in every Test squad. But that doesn't justify picking him ahead of Saud Shakeel now.

The point is that he is still scoring runs in domestic cricket. He never really stopped. He scored a century against New Zealand A last week aswell. All I'm saying is that let the guy ride out this difficult tour and let him play in Pakistan before we start calculating his averages since comeback. I mean in what world is 5 innings a viable sample size to judge any batsman?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I'm going to 100% accept your argument.

Surely then, if the older players aren't good enough, the best bet is surely to develop youngsters in the hope that some will develop.

I don't understand the logic of picking TTFs.

New Zealand is not the place to develop youngsters. That's not baptism by fire, it's baptism by throwing a person off a building. Assuming they debut here and fail, those failures will haunt them for time to come. The best way to introduce youngsters is A cricket. Get the likes of Saud Shakeel, Saad Ali, Kamran Ghulam, Imran Butt et all on A tours and develop your bench strength based on the performances the players put on those tours, rather than throwing him into the fire pit from the flat pitches of GSL where there isn't one tenth the lateral movement that there is in New Zealand.

 

[Khan12]

We need to get rid of the whole top order enough is enough. For next series I would want a line up of:

New opener
Imam
Usman
Babar
Saud
Rizwan
Salam agha/zafar
Faheem
Sajid Khan/amad butt outside SC
Shaheen
Abbas/ till the new pacers develop.

 

[shamaan]

I think imaam deserves his chance even thou i have reservations about him.

Saud needs to be brought in the squad and bat at 5

 

[Kroll]

I think imaam deserves his chance even thou i have reservations about him.

Saud needs to be brought in the squad and bat at 5

Definitely, they're better players and would show more fight than the current lot. Misbah believes these 35+ players are un-expendable when it comes to test cricket.

Reality is these guts can barely stand when facing pace bowling.

 

[mahmed]

Whole new setup

We need to get rid of the whole top order enough is enough. For next series I would want a line up of:

New opener
Imam
Usman
Babar
Saud
Rizwan
Salam agha/zafar
Faheem
Sajid Khan/amad butt outside SC
Shaheen
Abbas/ till the new pacers develop.

I agree with you, PCB Selection committee should make a team with all new set of players, My suggested 15 member team for SA series :

1) Imam
2) Shan Masood ( Last chance )
3) Babar
4) Usman Salahuddin
4) Saud Shakeel
5) Kamran Gulam
6) Rizwan (WK)
7)Shadab Khan / Faheem Ashraf / Salman Agha(Any one Allrounder)
8) Nauman Ali (SLA)
9) Shaheen Afridi (LFM)
10) Hassan Ali (RM)
11) Naseem Shah (RAF)

12) Hussain Talat
13) Hyder Ali
14) Faheem Ashraf
15) Salman Agha


Reserves:

1. Sajid Khan
2. Mohammed Nawaz
3. Zahid Mahmoo
4. Rohail Nazir (WK)

 

[MMHS]

We need to get rid of the whole top order enough is enough. For next series I would want a line up of:

New opener
Imam
Usman
Babar
Saud
Rizwan
Salam agha/zafar
Faheem
Sajid Khan/amad butt outside SC
Shaheen
Abbas/ till the new pacers develop.

The team is good (can’t do worse, but they are younger, worth trying). Only three options I am not sure 1. New opener - probably you can keep Abid or Shan fit the time being
No. 3 - Usman at this age is a bad investment. He might take few games to settle in international cricket ... by the time he’ll be into 30s officially. For No. 3, I can give you a data that Viv Richards, Greg Chappel left that spot by 30-32 to go down at 4/5 and Ponting lost a good 6-7! average after turning 30 at #3. It’s the toughest job in Test batting - shouldn’t be invested for anyone over 25-26. And, it’s an on job learning thing, so you’ll have to give the guy some time.

Rest are fine, but not sure about Aga - I’ll always pick Zafar, at least that’ll ensure solid bowling overs.

 

[Khan12]

The team is good (can’t do worse, but they are younger, worth trying). Only three options I am not sure 1. New opener - probably you can keep Abid or Shan fit the time being
No. 3 - Usman at this age is a bad investment. He might take few games to settle in international cricket ... by the time he’ll be into 30s officially. For No. 3, I can give you a data that Viv Richards, Greg Chappel left that spot by 30-32 to go down at 4/5 and Ponting lost a good 6-7! average after turning 30 at #3. It’s the toughest job in Test batting - shouldn’t be invested for anyone over 25-26. And, it’s an on job learning thing, so you’ll have to give the guy some time.

Rest are fine, but not sure about Aga - I’ll always pick Zafar, at least that’ll ensure solid bowling overs.

I am not a fan of imam but pretty sure can do a job which abid and shan are doing. The second opener I have no idea who to go with. Imran butt? Don't see him more then decent. No one has really stood out in domestics.

Ideally would want someone like Abdullah shafique and Haider ali but both needs to play at least 1 more year and specially haider needs to get side on. So usman can be a short term solution.

Coming to Salman personally I would have zafar ahead of him as well but I think Salman gives us more batting which management will prefer over zafar specially if we play Sajid khan plus he should be only played in SC. If Faheem has few other decent knocks I will go with zafar.

Now looking back at it I will personally take Hasan over Abbass as well. Abbass Is hardly picking up any wickets and a no 11 who can't field.

At least with this team they are young and can improve with the one we have there is no hope anymore.

 

[Khan12]

I agree with you, PCB Selection committee should make a team with all new set of players, My suggested 15 member team for SA series :

1) Imam
2) Shan Masood ( Last chance )
3) Babar
4) Usman Salahuddin
4) Saud Shakeel
5) Kamran Gulam
6) Rizwan (WK)
7)Shadab Khan / Faheem Ashraf / Salman Agha(Any one Allrounder)
8) Nauman Ali (SLA)
9) Shaheen Afridi (LFM)
10) Hassan Ali (RM)
11) Naseem Shah (RAF)

12) Hussain Talat
13) Hyder Ali
14) Faheem Ashraf
15) Salman Agha


Reserves:

1. Sajid Khan
2. Mohammed Nawaz
3. Zahid Mahmoo
4. Rohail Nazir (WK)

Nauman Ali is too old. No need for him go with Sajid Khan. The rest I don't mind though the likes of nawaz and zahid mahmood are not international material. I like kamran ghulam but with him bowling. Though would have him in the squad.

 

[Darkrai]

If the current players continue to fail in this series, then for the next series:

1. Imam
2. Abid
3. Haider
4. Babar
5. Saud
6. Rizwan
7. Nawaz
8. Faheem
9. Zafar/Yasir/Sajid
10. Hasan
11. Shaheen

Bench: Kamran Gulam, Abbas, Naseem, Talat

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Yes I like the use of the word ‘expendable’ - I miss 80s and 90s looking at the declining standard of Pakistani batsmen almost like Hollywood action movies from the same era - we used to have Rambo (Rameez), Terminator 1 (Saeed Anwar) , Terminator 2 (Ijaz Ahmad), Die Hard 1 (Javed Miandad), Die Hard 2 (Inzamam ul Haq) , Die Hard 3 (Yusuf), Demolition Man (Shahid Afridi), and then it all changed....

In the last 20 years, the trend has changed - and they’ve all been Expendables one after another , apart from a few superheroes like Batman (Younis Khan), Superman (Babar Azam), Iron Man (Misbah), and last but not least The Equalizer (Hafeez).

Oh god, this post is gold

 

[ManLikeMateen]

I agree that some of these players are well past their sell by date! If we want to be consistent and allow our players to reach their potential we must allow them to play without the fear of being dropped after every game.

I think this team, whilst not the most experienced would do well as the influx of new fresh young blood will allow plenty of room for improvement and development.

1. Imran Butt
2. Abdullah Shafique
3. Babar Azam (C)
4. Haider Ali
5. Saud Shakeel
6. Mohammad Rizwan (WK)
7. Shadab Khan
8. Faheem Ashraf/ Amad Butt/ Zafar Gohar
9. Shaheen Shah Afridi
10. Hasan Ali
11. Naseem Shah

 

[Hitman]

Can't understand how you guys tolerate Azar Ali in your team.

 

[ShoaibM]

Can't understand how you guys tolerate Azar Ali in your team.

Its not easy

I just tell myself he is an upgrade over Salman Butt, Shoaib Malik and Umar Akmal...

 

[Hitman]

Its not easy

I just tell myself he is an upgrade over Salman Butt, Shoaib Malik and Umar Akmal...

The sooner he is packed off, the better for your team.

 

[Square Drive]

This series needs to be a do-or-die for:

Shan Masood (needs to average 35+ this series)
Abid Ali (needs to average at least 30+ this series - more leniency for him because he's newer to international cricket and will be a beast in Asia)
Azhar Ali (needs to average 40+ as the senior most bat)
Haris Sohail (needs to average 35+ - more leniency because he's making a "comeback", provides another bowling option, and is quality when on song)
Fawad Alam (needs to average at least 35+ - again, a bit lenient since his comeback is only a few games old)

If these guys can't even meet the very reasonable/lenient standards listed above, on pitches where the ball isn't even doing much, than they need to be dropped - simple as.

Before people start asking for alternatives, I'll list them myself.

Openers (listed on preference in the pecking order):

Imam-ul-Haq
Azhar Ali (if he's being forced down our throats, then I'd rather him open)
Imran Butt
Omair bin Yousuf
Zeeshan Malik/Abdullah Haider (ideally need a couple more FC seasons under their belt)

Middle-order:

Saud Shakeel
Kamran Ghulam
Hussain Talat
Usman Salahuddin
Hammad Azam
Haider Ali (needs more FC games)

That's enough replacements. All these guys are proven performers/have massive upside.

 

[Junaids]

Its not easy

I just tell myself he is an upgrade over Salman Butt, Shoaib Malik and Umar Akmal...

Prescient words!

The reality is that both Salman Butt and Umar Akmal were always better batsmen, but they have obnoxious personalities. Just like Fawad Alam is more driven and intense.

Ultimately, from 2011 Misbah preferred to surround himself with people like Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq who are respectful and passive and who let Misbah have total control.

He picked nicer batsmen rather than better batsmen.

 

[ShoaibM]

Prescient words!

The reality is that both Salman Butt and Umar Akmal were always better batsmen, but they have obnoxious personalities. Just like Fawad Alam is more driven and intense.

Ultimately, from 2011 Misbah preferred to surround himself with people like Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq who are respectful and passive and who let Misbah have total control.

He picked nicer batsmen rather than better batsmen.

I'm not sure if Misbah was the one selecting these guys or the selection committee. Honestly impressed with Misbah dropping Shafiq so quickly. Hard to know these things sometimes. But very positive step for Pak cricket dropping Asad hope we are moving on for good.

I understand the frustration with Misbah but there is no arguing the results he brought in test match cricket, is there?

 

[ShoaibM]

duplicate...

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I'm not sure if Misbah was the one selecting these guys or the selection committee. Honestly impressed with Misbah dropping Shafiq so quickly. Hard to know these things sometimes. But very positive step for Pak cricket dropping Asad hope we are moving on for good.

I understand the frustration with Misbah but there is no arguing the results he brought in test match cricket, is there?

What was Pakistan’s Test ranking when Misbah started and when Misbah left?

 

[Energy]

On a Geo show now you have some pundits defending Abid. Also stating that he is nicknamed as legend in the dressing room by his mates.

The cringe in this entire episode is over the roof. Doesn't matter if it's all in good fun, but looks like Abid chachu is here to stay.

Shan is here to stay also because he's a hard worker. Fawad will also stay because he's a tiny hard worker.

Time is right for Asad Shafiq to make a come back against SA.

 

[ShoaibM]

Lets not call them pundits come on now we know better!

 

[Amjid Javed]

We really are at lowest ebb in terms of test match openers when pool of players we have to choose from are Abid/shan/Imam all 3 are simply not good enough to play test cricket.

Azhar Ali needs to go back to opening for remainder of the time he is in the team.

Cant keep playing test cricket with 2 gift wicket openers and a long tail that start at 8 in test cricket

 

[Saj]

It starts from the top.

If you don't have reliable openers who can bat in all conditions you will more often than not struggle.

Pakistan's last 8 opening partnerships in Test cricket:

0
28
49
6
6
36
6
2
Average of 16.63

 

[Osman]

Not surprising that Abid "don't compare me with legends" Ali is central to those stats.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

What I don't understand is we have managed to produce Babar Azam but we can't even get close to him with any others. Like literally Babar world class then we have gully danda batters.

We should have hired a foreign batting coach with proper methods and communication.

 

[Firebat]

Our batting is almost nothing without Babar. Terrible openers, weak and old middle order that have been getting rescued by the lower order, likes of Rizwan, Faheem, Shadab as of late.

There are easily 4 batsmen at least in our top 6 that we should be dumping at the end of the series.

 

[Ami]

Pakistan can find a way in tests with these players, I mean find a way not become world beaters ...plus a few additions in batting order, not sure where they'll find 'em.

Imam
???
???
Babar
???
Rizwan
Faheem
Yasir/Shadab/gohar
Abbas
Afridi
Naseem/Hasan Ali

No more, abid, azhar, asad, fawad, haris, sohail khan, imran khan, rahat ali type of characters.

I can only see Saud Shakeel who has been talked about at length in these forums but would still mean two more batting positions to fill.

Due to lack of resources, I will probably persist with Shan for a while only because it will fill up one spot.

 

[shamaan]

Definitely, they're better players and would show more fight than the current lot. Misbah believes these 35+ players are un-expendable when it comes to test cricket.

Reality is these guts can barely stand when facing pace bowling.

Imaam deserves his chance now becouse hes been in and around the squad for a while and is alot younger thsn the currant crop of players .

 

[shamaan]

out of the top order abid ali looks like the weekest out of all the top 5

 

[Saj]

And Pakistani fans used to mock the likes of Imran Nazir, Imran Farhat and even Shahid Afridi at the top of the order - heck most would take them over the current guys any day of the week.

 

[Kroll]

Who teaches these people how to bat?

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Fawad playing really well guys.

 

[Yk313]

And Pakistani fans used to mock the likes of Imran Nazir, Imran Farhat and even Shahid Afridi at the top of the order - heck most would take them over the current guys any day of the week.

Nostalgia is the most easily available drug in the market.

 

[coy0607]

What I don't understand is we have managed to produce Babar Azam but we can't even get close to him with any others. Like literally Babar world class then we have gully danda batters.

It's a miracle that Babar's career wasn't destroyed by rampant mismanagement.

Other young talented players who consistently scored were not so lucky - look at Sami Aslam, he's a mediocre first class batsmen and excels at List A. Somehow he becomes a Test specialist.

Similarly Rizwan is a top/middle order batsmen, somehow he's spent most of his career at #6 or #7.

Saud Shakeel has been piling up the runs for 2+ seasons now, yet still hasn't managed to break into this horrific middle order. And when he does, it will probably be in England or Australia and he'll have to bat at either #3 or #7

No one in Pakistan has any sense on how to groom talented batsmen.

 

[Kroll]

Nostalgia is the most easily available drug in the market.

Also depends which format, Nazir was generally well received in the shorter formats and Afridi could have his day.

Farhat wasn't liked as much due to his connections as much as for his talent or lack thereof.

 

[Junaids]

Here is the output of the five specialist batsmen aged over 30.

Shan Masood: 10 runs in 2 innings, average 5.00.
Abid Ali: 25 runs in 2 innings, average 12.50
Azhar Ali: 43 runs in 2 innings, average 21.50.
Haris Sohail: 12 runs in 2 innings, average 6.00
Fawad Alam: 9 and 84 not out.

What a disgrace. Apart from Fawad Alam - who also scored a century in the unofficial Test - these numbers are a complete joke.

Shan, Abid and Haris scored 47 runs between them, for 6 dismissals.

 

[Firebat]

Imagine if the openers had lasted 6 overs more, we would have the draw already

 

[Saj]

An ordinary batting unit, made up of some very mentally weak cricketers.

 

[Abdullah Rabbani]

It's a miracle that Babar's career wasn't destroyed by rampant mismanagement.

Other young talented players who consistently scored were not so lucky - look at Sami Aslam, he's a mediocre first class batsmen and excels at List A. Somehow he becomes a Test specialist.

Similarly Rizwan is a top/middle order batsmen, somehow he's spent most of his career at #6 or #7.

Saud Shakeel has been piling up the runs for 2+ seasons now, yet still hasn't managed to break into this horrific middle order. And when he does, it will probably be in England or Australia and he'll have to bat at either #3 or #7

No one in Pakistan has any sense on how to groom talented batsmen.

Remember when fans curse management and babar for his failure's in his first 15 test matches fortunately he kept saved that time

 

[shamaan]

Here is the output of the five specialist batsmen aged over 30.

Shan Masood: 10 runs in 2 innings, average 5.00.
Abid Ali: 25 runs in 2 innings, average 12.50
Azhar Ali: 43 runs in 2 innings, average 21.50.
Haris Sohail: 12 runs in 2 innings, average 6.00
Fawad Alam: 9 and 84 not out.

What a disgrace. Apart from Fawad Alam - who also scored a century in the unofficial Test - these numbers are a complete joke.

Shan, Abid and Haris scored 47 runs between them, for 6 dismissals.

Abid should defonitely be replaced next series same with harris sohail il give shan and Azhar 1 more series. Usman and saud should come in place for them 2

 

[Junaids]

So far this series the COMBINED output of

Shan Masood
Abid Ali
Haris Sohail

.....is 73-9.

Nine dismissals for 73 runs!

I get why you might pick veterans like Azhar Ali and Fawad Alam who are averaging 30-something this series.

But Shan, Abid and Haris have 73 runs for NINE disnissals!

 

[Thunderbolt14]

So far this series the COMBINED output of

Shan Masood
Abid Ali
Haris Sohail

.....is 73-9.

Nine dismissals for 73 runs!

I get why you might pick veterans like Azhar Ali and Fawad Alam who are averaging 30-something this series.

But Shan, Abid and Haris have 73 runs for NINE disnissals!

I thought Shan Masood was your captain for the next 2 years?

 

[Junaids]

I thought Shan Masood was your captain for the next 2 years?

He was, but now that Babar Azam is the skipper there is no reason to keep Shan Masood in the team as a marginal batsman.

You can’t have more than two guys over 30 in the batting, and it looks like Pakistan are stuck with Azhar and Fawad, so it’s time to retire Shan, Abid and Haris.

 

[GreenKhan]

He was, but now that Babar Azam is the skipper there is no reason to keep Shan Masood in the team as a marginal batsman.

You can’t have more than two guys over 30 in the batting, and it looks like Pakistan are stuck with Azhar and Fawad, so it’s time to retire Shan, Abid and Haris.

You really are like a broken record with your over 30 years of age repetitive narrative .

Can you please tell which team out of the top test playing nations who have only 2 batsman over 30. It will really broaden the horizons of us narrow minded members , as obviously we are clearly not understanding this magical formula of yours , and how it will miraculously improve Pakistan’s test chances .

You do realise that being so “ageist “ or what ever the term is makes you come across as a rather sad individual.

 

[MMHS]

So far this series the COMBINED output of

Shan Masood
Abid Ali
Haris Sohail

.....is 73-9.

Nine dismissals for 73 runs!

I get why you might pick veterans like Azhar Ali and Fawad Alam who are averaging 30-something this series.

But Shan, Abid and Haris have 73 runs for NINE disnissals!

Fawad & Azhar are the two oldest players in this line up... irony ...

 

[Thunderbolt14]

He was, but now that Babar Azam is the skipper there is no reason to keep Shan Masood in the team as a marginal batsman.

You can’t have more than two guys over 30 in the batting, and it looks like Pakistan are stuck with Azhar and Fawad, so it’s time to retire Shan, Abid and Haris.

Yet if Babar wasn’t made the skipper, he’d still be your captain, and one on the verge of being dropped by the end of this series leading to another captaincy crisis... meanwhile Azhar continues to battle out another century against England and a much-needed 50 currently in progress against New Zealand...

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Who teaches these people how to bat?

Tape ball cricket.

 

[Junaids]

You really are like a broken record with your over 30 years of age repetitive narrative .

Can you please tell which team out of the top test playing nations who have only 2 batsman over 30. It will really broaden the horizons of us narrow minded members , as obviously we are clearly not understanding this magical formula of yours , and how it will miraculously improve Pakistan’s test chances .

You do realise that being so “ageist “ or what ever the term is makes you come across as a rather sad individual.

Three of the over-30's have a combined return of 73 runs for 9 times out.

Which other team keeps NON-PERFORMING old men in their team?

 

[Junaids]

Fawad & Azhar are the two oldest players in this line up... irony ...

How is that ironic?

Both Azhar Ali and Fawad Alam were good enough to be in the Test team a decade ago. Maybe they are still there because they were outstanding batsmen.

Abid was never selected until he was 32: Imran Farhat, Mohammad Hafeez, Sami Aslam, Shan Masood were all considered better than him when he was in his twenties.

As for Shan Masood and Haris Sohail, they were picked sometimes at a younger age but they never achieved anything.

Why keep picking failing 31 and 33 year olds?

 

[Junaids]

UPDATED SERIES RECORDS:

Shan Masood: 10 runs in 4 innings, average 2.50 ABSOLUTE FAIL Grade F
Abid Ali: 76 runs in 4 innings, average 19.00 BAD FAIL E
Haris Sohail: 28 runs in 4 innings, average 7.00 ABSOLUTE FAIL F
Azhar Ali: 173 runs in 4 innings, average 43.25 NARROW PASS C
Fawad Alam: so far 113 runs in 3 innings, average 37.67 NARROW FAIL D
Mohammad Rizwan: 192 runs in 3 innings, average 64.00 DISTINCTION A
Faheem Ashraf: 158 runs in 3 innings, CREDIT B

 

[Junaids]

UPDATED SERIES RECORDS:

Shan Masood: 10 runs in 4 innings, average 2.50 ABSOLUTE FAIL Grade F
Abid Ali: 76 runs in 4 innings, average 19.00 BAD FAIL E
Haris Sohail: 28 runs in 4 innings, average 7.00 ABSOLUTE FAIL F
Azhar Ali: 173 runs in 4 innings, average 43.25 NARROW PASS C
Fawad Alam: so far 113 runs in 3 innings, average 37.67 NARROW FAIL D
Mohammad Rizwan: 192 runs in 3 innings, average 64.00 DISTINCTION A
Faheem Ashraf: 158 runs in 3 innings, CREDIT B

The performances of Shan Masood and Haris Sohail have to be career-ending in men aged 31 and 32.

The bad fail of Abid Ali should probably give him one final chance aged 33 to salvage his career.

Fawad Alam's career should also be very much on a Test-by-Test basis now at the age of 35.

 

[Junaids]

UPDATED SERIES RECORDS:

Shan Masood: 10 runs in 4 innings, average 2.50 ABSOLUTE FAIL Grade F
Abid Ali: 76 runs in 4 innings, average 19.00 BAD FAIL E
Haris Sohail: 28 runs in 4 innings, average 7.00 ABSOLUTE FAIL F
Azhar Ali: 173 runs in 4 innings, average 43.25 NARROW PASS C
Fawad Alam: 129 runs in 4 innings, average 32.25 NARROW FAIL D
Mohammad Rizwan: 202 runs in 4 innings, average 50.50 CREDIT B
Faheem Ashraf: 158 runs in 3 innings, average 52.67CREDIT B

 

[Yk313]

Didn’t Imran drop Zaheer and Majid as they aged and slowed down? Not sure about this as it’s been a while but a refresher is welcome.

 

[Junaids]

So here are the final results for this Pakistan tour:

CONVINCING PASS MARKS
Mohammad Rizwan: 202 runs in 4 innings, average 50.50
Faheem Ashraf: 186 runs in 4 innings, average 46.50

NARROW PASS MARKS
Azhar Ali: 173 runs in 4 innings, average 43.25

NARROW FAIL MARKS
Fawad Alam: 129 runs in 4 innings, average 32.25

BAD FAIL MARKS
Abid Ali: 76 runs in 4 innings, average 19.00

DISGRACEFUL FAIL MARKS
Haris Sohail: 28 runs in 4 innings, average 7.00
Shan Masood: 10 runs in 4 innings, average 2.50

 

[Junaids]

So here are the final results for this Pakistan tour:

CONVINCING PASS MARKS
Mohammad Rizwan: 202 runs in 4 innings, average 50.50
Faheem Ashraf: 186 runs in 4 innings, average 46.50

NARROW PASS MARKS
Azhar Ali: 173 runs in 4 innings, average 43.25

NARROW FAIL MARKS
Fawad Alam: 129 runs in 4 innings, average 32.25

BAD FAIL MARKS
Abid Ali: 76 runs in 4 innings, average 19.00

DISGRACEFUL FAIL MARKS
Haris Sohail: 28 runs in 4 innings, average 7.00
Shan Masood: 10 runs in 4 innings, average 2.50

What is remarkable is that the 2 guys who did well on he tour were both all-rounders.

Azhar Ali was the only specialist batsman out of 5 - all aged over 30 - to just about reach the minimum acceptable standard.

The other 4 specialist batsmen - all aged the wrong side of thirty - all failed to reach the minimum benchmark of averaging 40 and having an acceptable series. None of them even reached an average of 33 - not even Fawad Alam who literally had 1 success and 3 failures in the series.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

So here are the final results for this Pakistan tour:

CONVINCING PASS MARKS
Mohammad Rizwan: 202 runs in 4 innings, average 50.50
Faheem Ashraf: 186 runs in 4 innings, average 46.50

NARROW PASS MARKS
Azhar Ali: 173 runs in 4 innings, average 43.25

NARROW FAIL MARKS
Fawad Alam: 129 runs in 4 innings, average 32.25

BAD FAIL MARKS
Abid Ali: 76 runs in 4 innings, average 19.00

DISGRACEFUL FAIL MARKS
Haris Sohail: 28 runs in 4 innings, average 7.00
Shan Masood: 10 runs in 4 innings, average 2.50

What’s your verdict on the bowlers?

 

[Junaids]

What’s your verdict on the bowlers?

Shaheen 5/10
Abbas 3/10
Naseem 1/10
Faheem 4/10
Yasir 2/10
Zafar 1/10

 

[Bullet Drive]

Shaheen 5/10
Abbas 3/10
Naseem 1/10
Faheem 4/10
Yasir 2/10
Zafar 1/10

Now just imagine we had played:

Sameen Gul, Ehsan Adil or Irfanullah Shah?

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Now just imagine we had played:

Sameen Gul, Ehsan Adil or Irfanullah Shah?

Why are these guys silver bullets?

 

[Rana]

Why are these guys silver bullets?

lol Silver bullet drives

 

[GreenKhan]

Three of the over-30's have a combined return of 73 runs for 9 times out.

Which other team keeps NON-PERFORMING old men in their team?

Please answer my question . Which of the top test playing nations have only two batsman over the age of 30. Back up your rationale with facts . I have noticed your very evasive .

As for the non performing 30 year olds they should be dropped , but that is not because of their age but due to their poor form .

 

[shamaan]

Shan,abid,harris should be shown the door.naseem should go back to domestic.