The future of cricket without India's dominance: A bold new model?

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Cricket is administered very differently to other sports with an international footprint, such as football, rugby league and rugby union.

All those other sports operate with players from all the different countries earning similar salaries (from clubs or central employers), with the sports being run on a multi-lateral, not bilateral basis.

Cricket is different. The majority of the TV money comes from private networks in India, and that country's cricket board has chosen to use that to exert a stranglehold over world cricket, with each other board grovelling to receive bilateral deals from the BCCI.

In football, the TV rights which fuel international competition are sold for the highest prices in Japan and the USA, even ahead of England and Germany, but there is no redistribution of FIFA funds to the Japanese and American federations. But in cricket, the high-spending BCCI relies on ICC handouts to balance its books, as its own self-published finances from multiple years demonstrate.

But India's behaviour causes endless problems. For years they refused to accept DRS. They insist on bilateral scheduling to prevent the other nations from obtaining power by collective bargaining. They schedule the IPL right across the entire West Indian home international cricket season.

In 2007-8, when they lost the Sydney Test after the Monkeygate scandal, India somehow threatened to go home early citing "unsportsmanlike" behaviour by Australia. They never forgave umpire Steve Bucknor, and in 2011 their revolting behaviour against umpire Daryl Harper led to him pulling out of his own farewell Test in Dominica.

When India objected to Cricket South Africa appointing Haroon Lorgat at its CEO in 2012-13 they actually literally bankrupted Cricket South Africa (and multiple small vendors) by shortening the tour to cancel the Third Test at Cape Town. (This also caused huge embarrassment for New Zealand Cricket, which had scheduled matches with India in good faith without the BCCI telling them that they were supposed to be playing at Cape Town at the time.)

And finally, of course, in 2021 the Indian team refused to play the Fifth Test at The Oval and went home, because they wanted a break before the next part of the IPL.

Cricket finds itself in a bind. The English and Australian boards pay their players around 4 times as much as their peers who play international rugby union and rugby league earn. Which is 10 times as much as the other countries apart from India pay their players.

Cricket Boards around the world are now addicted to Indian money, and also allow players to take up lucrative T20 contracts to increase their earnings.

But still the BCCI and Indian fans are not satisfied. We hear endless talk of a year-round IPL. The BCCI refuses to play Pakistan, yet unlike in other sports the ICC does not make them forfeit the series they refuse to play.

In essence India wields its power in an aggressive and unpopular way, and it is my belief that even its closest cricketing allies loathe them. Most of us in the SENA countries know exactly what the SENA players who play IPL think of India and the IPL: they view themselves as selling themselves for a fantastic payday, in a place they are prepared to tolerate for a couple of months each year because of the money on offer.

So what would happen if India left?

Well, the current Australia team has 10 players over 30 and a teenager. I believe that almost all the older players would go to play year-round IPL. But the result would be that, like England and South Africa, an exciting team of youngsters would emerge and replace them.

Currently good rugby league or Australian Rules footballers earn around A$400,000 per year, while their former team-mates who became international cricketers earn $2 million plus IPL money. The gap would obviously narrow if veterans headed off to year-round IPL and the Indian money evaporated.

I think that the ICC would very quickly turn cricket into an EPL style-model. It would put all international cricketers from the remaining nations onto ICC contracts banded from US$100,000 per year to $200,000 per year to $400,000 per year to $600,000 per year, plus T20 money.

Suddenly we would have a 4 year home and away World Test Championship featuring all teams, with no bilaterally-arranged series at all. The ODI World Cup would also be 4 yearly, with the T20 one every two years. All bilateral series would be played under the ICC banner.

The best players from ANY nation could now be on a $600,000 contract plus T20 money. A big drop for English and Australian players - but still more than their oval-ball friends earn.

When you look at cricket's convicted fixers, it is obvious that players from poorer-paying nations top up their meagre earnings by fixing. A football-style model of centralised TV sales and ICC contracting of players would hopefully end that scourge.

India has given cricket marvellous players down the years, and continues to. Unfortunately, I look at the centralised, multi-lateral model that I am proposing and I think that it would be much better than what we currently have. Not slightly better - much, much better.
 
Cricket is survived because of Indian cricket.

We generated More than 85% revenue for the ICC and ICC give that revenue to all The cricket boards and most of them are survive because of That money.

Salty tears in this thread. :kp
 
Cricket is survived because of Indian cricket.

We generated More than 85% revenue for the ICC and ICC give that revenue to all The cricket boards and most of them are survive because of That money.

Salty tears in this thread. :kp
We generate over 85% of the revenue, yet we constantly complain about unfair treatment and bad umpiring decisions against our players. Something doesn’t add up. We were under the ICC’s umbrella before becoming the richest cricket board in the world and we still are. :kp :inti
 
We generate over 85% of the revenue, yet we constantly complain about unfair treatment and bad umpiring decisions against our players. Something doesn’t add up. We were under the ICC’s umbrella before becoming the richest cricket board in the world and we still are. :kp :inti
Wasn't all the other boards are not under ICC umbrella or they Are living in delusion world?

BCCI is rechest boards still doesn't need any Help from umpires to win the match

We play fair unlike some others who used sandpapers , bottles cap etc.

:kp :dw
 
We generate over 85% of the revenue, yet we constantly complain about unfair treatment and bad umpiring decisions against our players. Something doesn’t add up. We were under the ICC’s umbrella before becoming the richest cricket board in the world and we still are. :kp :inti
Supposedly despite this revenue you guys are too scared to drop Kohli because you will lose sponsors.

Something is fishy.
 
I am sick and tired of petty behavior of BCCI and Indian cricket fans.

I either want cricket to go back to pre-BCCI days or have a completely new status quo (free from BCCI influence).

I think many have the same sentiment as I do.
 
Supposedly despite this revenue you guys are too scared to drop Kohli because you will lose sponsors.

Something is fishy.
Is there any source for this? Or is is just another cross border conspiracy theory?
Indian cricket is too big to be scared of any one player.
The likes of Kohli don't get dropped easily as there's too much seniority worship in India. It's in the culture. It's the same in many other countries too.
 
I am sick and tired of petty behavior of BCCI and Indian cricket fans.

I either want cricket to go back to pre-BCCI days or have a completely new status quo (free from BCCI influence).

I think many have the same sentiment as I do.
Daily reminder - when will be BCB and PCB form a new cricketing alliances with others boards as you was talking about it.

Please updates us ?

:kp
 
Is there any source for this? Or is is just another cross border conspiracy theory?
Indian cricket is too big to be scared of any one player.
The likes of Kohli don't get dropped easily as there's too much seniority worship in India. It's in the culture. It's the same in many other countries too.
Indian posters have said it.

I agree with you I found it hard to believe.
 
If you look at the recent South Africa v Pakistan Test, Cricket South Africa make their money from the SuperSport TV contract, sponsorship, TV sales overseas and gate receipts.

And they make a small profit without a single Rupee from India.

If the ICC took over, cricket would move from a Spanish football revenue model to an EPL one.

(In Spain, 90% of La Liga TV rights are retained by Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid. The other 17 clubs share 10% of the money.)

In the EPL the biggest share of TV revenue is around 5.5% for the Manchester clubs, and even Ipswich and Southampton get just under 5%. The result is a much stronger competition which the big clubs cannot “own”.)
 
Cricket is survived because of Indian cricket.

We generated More than 85% revenue for the ICC and ICC give that revenue to all The cricket boards and most of them are survive because of That money.

Salty tears in this thread. :kp
See my post above.

Indian TV generates revenue, not the BCCI.

The BCCI should not get any more than Zimbabwe, just as FIFA gives the English FA no more money than the Ecuadorian FA.
 
See my post above.

Indian TV generates revenue, not the BCCI.

The BCCI should not get any more than Zimbabwe, just as FIFA gives the English FA no more money than the Ecuadorian FA.
They all comes under the government of India.

They paid because of indian cricket .

:kp
 
If you look at the recent South Africa v Pakistan Test, Cricket South Africa make their money from the SuperSport TV contract, sponsorship, TV sales overseas and gate receipts.

And they make a small profit without a single Rupee from India.

If the ICC took over, cricket would move from a Spanish football revenue model to an EPL one.

(In Spain, 90% of La Liga TV rights are retained by Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid. The other 17 clubs share 10% of the money.)

In the EPL the biggest share of TV revenue is around 5.5% for the Manchester clubs, and even Ipswich and Southampton get just under 5%. The result is a much stronger competition which the big clubs cannot “own”.)
Due you even know that how much money South Africa has earned by playing 4 T20 match against india few month's ago??

I know you don't know the answer
 
If you look at the recent South Africa v Pakistan Test, Cricket South Africa make their money from the SuperSport TV contract, sponsorship, TV sales overseas and gate receipts.

And they make a small profit without a single Rupee from India.

If the ICC took over, cricket would move from a Spanish football revenue model to an EPL one.

(In Spain, 90% of La Liga TV rights are retained by Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid. The other 17 clubs share 10% of the money.)

In the EPL the biggest share of TV revenue is around 5.5% for the Manchester clubs, and even Ipswich and Southampton get just under 5%. The result is a much stronger competition which the big clubs cannot “own”.)

Yeah sure. That's why India was invited 3 times in 4 years for multiple formats . CSA were in arrears before India tour last year. Not based on India at all, Junaids.
 
So why don't all the complainers get together and create a new global cricket administration setup without India? What stops them from doing that?
Granted that India brings in the lion's share of the revenues, but surely the viewership and sponsoring in other countries isn't negligibly small. The new set up may make less money without India but they can still get a small revenue and keep going. Most importantly they can ensure the fair distribution and the survival of the gentleman's game, all of which is allegedly being jeopardised by India and the BCCI?
 
Yeah sure. That's why India was invited 3 times in 4 years for multiple formats . CSA were in arrears before India tour last year. Not based on India at all, Junaids.
No offence, but I don’t think you understand the collective model at all.

The EPL won’t sell a network the rights to Man United matches only. You have to buy everything.

The Boards are addicted to Indian TV money - I’ve already acknowledged that.

But in my model the ICC takes over all scheduling and international tours. The lot.

And for each four year cycle, you can only buy:

Package A: All home and away international series for every country.

Package B: All ICC multilateral tournaments (1 World Cup, 2 T20i, 1 World Test Championship semis and Final.)

Package A prices would be set for each market at something like:

England $500 million
Australia $300 million
India $300 million
New Zealand, USA $70 million
South Africa, Bangladesh, Pakistan $60 million.
Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh $30 million.

Yes the game would have less money in it. But wages would fall to the levels of comparable sports for English and Australian players, and every other nation would go forward, not backward.

Ideally I’d have India in this model too. I just know that the BCCI would never accept collective bargaining, contracting and scheduling.
 
No offence, but I don’t think you understand the collective model at all.

The EPL won’t sell a network the rights to Man United matches only. You have to buy everything.

The Boards are addicted to Indian TV money - I’ve already acknowledged that.

But in my model the ICC takes over all scheduling and international tours. The lot.

And for each four year cycle, you can only buy:

Package A: All home and away international series for every country.

Package B: All ICC multilateral tournaments (1 World Cup, 2 T20i, 1 World Test Championship semis and Final.)

Package A prices would be set for each market at something like:

England $500 million
Australia $300 million
India $300 million
New Zealand, USA $70 million
South Africa, Bangladesh, Pakistan $60 million.
Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh $30 million.

Yes the game would have less money in it. But wages would fall to the levels of comparable sports for English and Australian players, and every other nation would go forward, not backward.

Ideally I’d have India in this model too. I just know that the BCCI would never accept collective bargaining, contracting and scheduling.

I wasn't talking about your model.
 
No offence, but I don’t think you understand the collective model at all.

The EPL won’t sell a network the rights to Man United matches only. You have to buy everything.

The Boards are addicted to Indian TV money - I’ve already acknowledged that.

But in my model the ICC takes over all scheduling and international tours. The lot.

And for each four year cycle, you can only buy:

Package A: All home and away international series for every country.

Package B: All ICC multilateral tournaments (1 World Cup, 2 T20i, 1 World Test Championship semis and Final.)

Package A prices would be set for each market at something like:

England $500 million
Australia $300 million
India $300 million
New Zealand, USA $70 million
South Africa, Bangladesh, Pakistan $60 million.
Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh $30 million.

Yes the game would have less money in it. But wages would fall to the levels of comparable sports for English and Australian players, and every other nation would go forward, not backward.

Ideally I’d have India in this model too. I just know that the BCCI would never accept collective bargaining, contracting and scheduling.
I want to see how altruistic Pakistanis are under your model.

Let's assume cricket fully returns to Pakistan and they are getting a regular round of teams touring. And they also find themselves a watchable cricket team :mc Let's see how Pakistanis then react to news that the matches they watch at home are being used to finance the Afghanistan cricket team and their board. You know, the team you very interestingly excluded from your packages. Has the Taliban banned cricket on TV. Do they not watch cricket in Afg?

All that said, I must say, I respect you for your never-give-up spirit and how you never stop trying.
 
Ah good old Junaids is back, made everyone think BCCI is poor and dependent upon ICC and now this.

“We hear endless talk of a year-round IPL.” When assumptions can only take you so far.
 
Could be good, if some entity or board stands before them for the rules and fairness today then certainly the future of cricket as a gentleman sport could be secured.
 
Don't change the model.

BCCI could hardly float from handouts of ICC. Not sure it'll survive if above model is implemented.

Will the handouts will be more or less in this case?
 
What future? BCCI dominated cricket for over a decade and what they got to show for it? Sponsors pull the strings and Pakistan will always be the greatest money earner for BCCI?

India can't win a WC at home at their height of dominance so I guess India could win something if they played against themselves.

If anything the last 2 months have exposed the BCCI - a bankrupt entity that must rely on ancient sponsors and arch enemy Pakistan to survive.
 
See my post above.

Indian TV generates revenue, not the BCCI.

The BCCI should not get any more than Zimbabwe, just as FIFA gives the English FA no more money than the Ecuadorian FA.
Back with the same old song and after a Indian team loss.

Shocker.
 
Cricket without indian involvement and viewership will never survive

That's because cricket is not watched by the masses in other countries apart from pakistan. Even in pakistan I don't think the viewership is there like it was in the past when we had proper household names.

Even in Bangladesh I think football is more popular.

S africa Australia new Zealand have small populations to make any difference and rugby and other sports are bigger.

And in the UK cricket is associated with the posh people and toffs not your ordinary working classes.

And I don't think the arabs are interested in cricket like they have invested in football and boxing since there is arab viewership for these sports.
 
Although OP likes to needle our neighbours, he has a fair point.

Forget India/Pakistan for a minute and imagine you ran a business. How sustainable is a business that depends on one client for 80-85% of its revenue ?

If India were to experience a recession or major economic shock, and the TV companies start cost cutting, I shudder to imagine the knock-on effect on the global cricket economy.

The problem is cricket is too difficult a sport to introduce to new markets and audiences - especially considering today's TikTok/Insta brainwashed youth with the attention span of a gnat. In existing markets with developed economies like England, Australia, and New Zealand - cricket faces stiff competition from other sports. America and Canada have its own sporting traditions. China and Japan are decades away from fielding a competitive side.

Cricket doesn't help its cause with its myriad of obscure rules and regs, mishmash of formats, and insane scheduling.

I agree with the idea of pooling Test rights but it's raised for years.
 
Although OP likes to needle our neighbours, he has a fair point.

Forget India/Pakistan for a minute and imagine you ran a business. How sustainable is a business that depends on one client for 80-85% of its revenue ?

If India were to experience a recession or major economic shock, and the TV companies start cost cutting, I shudder to imagine the knock-on effect on the global cricket economy.

The problem is cricket is too difficult a sport to introduce to new markets and audiences - especially considering today's TikTok/Insta brainwashed youth with the attention span of a gnat. In existing markets with developed economies like England, Australia, and New Zealand - cricket faces stiff competition from other sports. America and Canada have its own sporting traditions. China and Japan are decades away from fielding a competitive side.

Cricket doesn't help its cause with its myriad of obscure rules and regs, mishmash of formats, and insane scheduling.

I agree with the idea of pooling Test rights but it's raised for years.
That’s a fair analysis, problem is cricket will end up becoming like baseball if the other boards don’t get their act together.

It’s definitely easier to blame BCCI/India for generating money and boards becoming addicted to it.
 
So NFL doesn’t generate any revenue it’s the American TV that generates revenue?
That's like saying Apple doesn't generate revenue. It's their customers who pay for their products and services generate revenue for them. :salute


Indian TV pays money for BCCI's product.
 
I agree with the idea of pooling Test rights but it's raised for years.

As you mentioned, he is regurgitating stuff that has been discussed before here an elsewhere as if there his own ideas. Adds in lot of appealing misinformation.

ECB and CA were not keen on the WTC idea by Lorgat, becos it involved pooling test revenue.

Hard to believe the profession he claims he has. Trumpian I might add.

If ECB and CA were egalitarian, they would have given up the veto voluntarily without being forced to so in the 90's

Here is something I wrote more than decade ago in a couple of other forums

>>>>Seeing CSA's fate as they tried to take BCCI head on and what happened to ECB few years ago, its clear that no one board is able to tangle with BCCI. So the rest of the boards have to work together to introduce any change to the status quo.

Option 1: Boycott BCCI and kick them out of ICC. Not really an option as observed by CSA current quandary. It will be case of, surgery is a success, but the patient is dead.

Option 2: Implement Woolf report w/o involvement of BCCI. Pool all the revenues besides BCCI's share, distribute it equally among the members. This creates an even playing field for the rest of the members and eliminates their need to dance to BCCI's tune. This will allow the game to become more popular and grow the revenue from the increased popularity and it become a true world wide game. this will also eliminate BCCI's hegemony. Of course, this will mean some short term pain for some of the boards, but it will be a small price to pay for their stated long term goal, i.e., betterment of the sport of cricket. As the say charity begins at home and its about time, the old powers of cricket showed some real leadership instead of paying lip service.<<<

he is describing option 2.
 
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BTW, is test cricket dead yet?


England and India are blocking world Test championship, says ICC chief​


England and India are the only two countries standing in the way of a planned world Test championship. Haroon Lorgat, the chief executive of the International Cricket Council, has told the Guardian that the survival of Test cricket will be best ensured by a world championship, but that the two countries are opposed to the proposals which he believes could be implemented by the summer of 2012.

Acknowledging that there have been legitimate concerns about the future of the Test game, with Twenty20 cricket having had such an impact over the last year, Lorgat said: "I would like to convince people that the way to ensure Test cricket survives is through a championship model.

"The only two countries who do not see the argument are India and England, but debate is growing all the time. The MCC seem to have come out in favour but when I met the ECB recently it was the wrong time to tackle them in detail. They were too high on the Ashes."

Asked why the ECB has resisted his proposals, Lorgat said: "I don't understand their thinking. The original plan was to have a four-year cycle for the championship, which protects icon series like the Ashes. It was very doable. Our Future Tours Programme will meet soon as the current schedule runs to May 2012.

"I would really like to see the Test championship included from there on. There's no doubt a Test championship would be of great benefit. Let's say you and your mate are South African and Australian – and India are about to play Sri Lanka. If the result impacts on your team's championship standing you are bound to be more interested."

But an ECB spokesman said last night: "The ECB will continue to look at all the proposals put forward by the ICC and continue to play a full part in discussions about the development of their global events."

It is understood that officials at Lord's – like those in other countries – were put off by the initial idea to spread the world championship over a four-year period, when the strength of the competing teams would vary enormously. But the ECB are also worried about plans to start the championship in 2012 because it would clash with the London Olympics.
 
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There is no doubt in the fact that India is dominating world cricket for a while now. It has ended bad for Pakistan much more than any other country.

BCCI also generates revenue for ICC so it is not going to be easy to end this dominance.
 
Although OP likes to needle our neighbours, he has a fair point.

Forget India/Pakistan for a minute and imagine you ran a business. How sustainable is a business that depends on one client for 80-85% of its revenue ?

If India were to experience a recession or major economic shock, and the TV companies start cost cutting, I shudder to imagine the knock-on effect on the global cricket economy.

The problem is cricket is too difficult a sport to introduce to new markets and audiences - especially considering today's TikTok/Insta brainwashed youth with the attention span of a gnat. In existing markets with developed economies like England, Australia, and New Zealand - cricket faces stiff competition from other sports. America and Canada have its own sporting traditions. China and Japan are decades away from fielding a competitive side.

Cricket doesn't help its cause with its myriad of obscure rules and regs, mishmash of formats, and insane scheduling.

I agree with the idea of pooling Test rights but it's raised for years.
Something tells me these good points are palatable to most of the forum coming from non-indian
 
Don't change the model.

BCCI could hardly float from handouts of ICC. Not sure it'll survive if above model is implemented.

Will the handouts will be more or less in this case?
Consider football.

Fox and Telemundo have paid $1.4 billion for the US rights to broadcast the 2026 FIFA World Cup.

And FIFA will not give a cent of that to the US Soccer Federation.

But in cricket the BCCI extorts the ICC to hand over to it the majority of the income from Indian TV rights.

Basically the BCCI uses bilateralism to prevent the rest of the cricket world from being able to act collectively, and the BCCI then siphons off Indian TV money paid from private channels to the ICC, which should not be going to it at all.

So currently cricket is held to ransom by the BCCI, because they split the other nations and claim Indian TV money as if it were their own.

In my cricket world, all TV revenue from international cricket would go to the ICC, and then spent on employing all international cricketers and arranging and televising all series.

Not one cent would go to any cricket board. They would make their money from gate receipts and sponsorship, and any domestic tournaments they choose to fit into 3 four week windows (April, September, December).

The appalling Indian actions listed in the first post in this thread simply either would not occur or would be heavily punished.

You don’t want to play Pakistan? Fine, you have forfeited those matches and they get the points. And you can’t host any ICC tournaments until you stop refusing to play certain teams.

You don’t like DRS? Fine.
 
So NFL doesn’t generate any revenue it’s the American TV that generates revenue?
Correct.

That’s why FIFA and UEFA get the TV money from the World Cup and the Euros, and none of it is redistributed to the football federation in the same country the TV money came from.

At the last World Cup in Qatar, Japanese TV paid most for the TV rights. And Japan’s football association received exactly the same amount of money “back” from FIFA as Senegal’s.
 
There is no doubt in the fact that India is dominating world cricket for a while now. It has ended bad for Pakistan much more than any other country.

BCCI also generates revenue for ICC so it is not going to be easy to end this dominance.
BCCI generates zero money for the ICC. Zilch - nothing whatsoever.

In fact, it extorts and embezzles most of the ICC’s income on the absurd basis that Indian TV channels - not the BCCI - paid most for the TV rights.
 
Consider football.

Fox and Telemundo have paid $1.4 billion for the US rights to broadcast the 2026 FIFA World Cup.

And FIFA will not give a cent of that to the US Soccer Federation.

But in cricket the BCCI extorts the ICC to hand over to it the majority of the income from Indian TV rights.

Basically the BCCI uses bilateralism to prevent the rest of the cricket world from being able to act collectively, and the BCCI then siphons off Indian TV money paid from private channels to the ICC, which should not be going to it at all.

So currently cricket is held to ransom by the BCCI, because they split the other nations and claim Indian TV money as if it were their own.

In my cricket world, all TV revenue from international cricket would go to the ICC, and then spent on employing all international cricketers and arranging and televising all series.

Not one cent would go to any cricket board. They would make their money from gate receipts and sponsorship, and any domestic tournaments they choose to fit into 3 four week windows (April, September, December).

The appalling Indian actions listed in the first post in this thread simply either would not occur or would be heavily punished.

You don’t want to play Pakistan? Fine, you have forfeited those matches and they get the points. And you can’t host any ICC tournaments until you stop refusing to play certain teams.

You don’t like DRS? Fine.

It smells like communism.
 
BCCI generates zero money for the ICC. Zilch - nothing whatsoever.

In fact, it extorts and embezzles most of the ICC’s income on the absurd basis that Indian TV channels - not the BCCI - paid most for the TV rights.
That's not how it works unless ICC can print it's own money.
 
It smells like communism.
Then Long Live Communism.

Until the 1970’s England, and Sir Stanley Rous, controlled football like India controls cricket. For the benefit of his own country.

Read the Price Waterhouse ICC Governance Report from 2011.


Commissioned by the ICC, it set out the global sport governance standards and how the ICC could adapt to meet them.

And the BCCI basically vetoed it, with the result that cricket now has the most unfair and conflict-of-interest dominated governance of any world sport.

The BCCI took every recommendation and then made the ICC do the precise opposite.

Which is why cricket is currently crippled by India’s ruinous and self-serving control.
 
Due you even know that how much money South Africa has earned by playing 4 T20 match against india few month's ago??

I know you don't know the answer
@Junaids waiting for your answer?

Hint- More than what South Africa cricket board has earned through all the remaining series against other team's in a calendar year.

That's the power of indian cricket .

:kp
 
It smells like communism.
The problem is, cricket is now run in the image of the semi-developed, corrupt, caste-controlled and chaotic nation which governs it.

Many constituent full-member nations of the ICC - Australia, England, New Zealand, Barbados, even arguably South Africa - have high levels of corporate, sporting and governmental governance.

Unfortunately a country which has no such high standards of governance now inflicts its lower standards upon the game we all love. Still, it could be worse - it could be Pakistan running the game! :)
 
@Junaids waiting for your answer?

Hint- More than what South Africa cricket board has earned through all the remaining series against other team's in a calendar year.

That's the power of indian cricket .

:kp
That is my whole point.

The boards are addicted to Indian TV (not BCCI) cash.

And the BCCI controls access and then splits the other nations and mis-rules cricket.

The whole point of this thread is that with good governance, as per the Woolf Report, the ICC would employ the South African players and arrange the matches, using TV money which it didn’t get extorted away from it by the BCCI.

Indian TV is not the BCCI.

And you have just made the argument for why the TV money should be paid to the ICC, not through bilateral deals with the BCCI.
 
Correct.

That’s why FIFA and UEFA get the TV money from the World Cup and the Euros, and none of it is redistributed to the football federation in the same country the TV money came from.

At the last World Cup in Qatar, Japanese TV paid most for the TV rights. And Japan’s football association received exactly the same amount of money “back” from FIFA as Senegal’s.

The day FIFA starts having INTL games for 10 months in an year we can talk about FIFA with ICC until then its a moot point esp considering you said Indian fans want “12 months IPL” in a negative tone, does FIFA have to balls to shut down European league.

NFL calls the shots , just like you are in Aus I have been in States and I know who calls the shots not Fox NBC but NFL board.

Try with the newbies Junaids old folks wont allow you to get away with mental gymnastics on false comparisons.
 
@Junaids waiting for your answer?

Hint- More than what South Africa cricket board has earned through all the remaining series against other team's in a calendar year.

That's the power of indian cricket .

:kp
You really need to educate yourself about governance.

India
BCCI
Indian TV channels

….are three separate entities, not one.

The BCCI protection racket is based upon convincing people that they are the same thing. They aren’t.
 
That is my whole point.

The boards are addicted to Indian TV (not BCCI) cash.

And the BCCI controls access and then splits the other nations and mis-rules cricket.

The whole point of this thread is that with good governance, as per the Woolf Report, the ICC would employ the South African players and arrange the matches, using TV money which it didn’t get extorted away from it by the BCCI.

Indian TV is not the BCCI.

And you have just made the argument for why the TV money should be paid to the ICC, not through bilateral deals with the BCCI.
Why not all others boards can fix own Marketing skills rather than depand on BCCI.

BCCI has earned that money because of hard works instead survived like PCB on ICC handouts .

Indian TV , Sponsor, Broadcasters etc all are under government of india. They are care about india audience not others way around.

Get your facts right .may be age is catching up.
 
You really need to educate yourself about governance.

India
BCCI
Indian TV channels

….are three separate entities, not one.

The BCCI protection racket is based upon convincing people that they are the same thing. They aren’t.
No there are not .they are fall under goverment of india. They are paying the tax to GOI not ICC Or any other boards.

:kp
 
There is no doubt in the fact that India is dominating world cricket for a while now. It has ended bad for Pakistan much more than any other country.

BCCI also generates revenue for ICC so it is not going to be easy to end this dominance.

How has it ended bad for Pakistan?
 
There is no doubt in the fact that India is dominating world cricket for a while now. It has ended bad for Pakistan much more than any other country.

BCCI also generates revenue for ICC so it is not going to be easy to end this dominance.
No, if PCB survives this phase, they will hopefully have more accountability and would be not dependent on Indian market at all.
 
So @Junaids wants the top players of each team get to get the same salary.

So

Smith gets the same as Babar. Cummins gets the same as Shaheen.
Root gets the same as liton
Bumrah gets the same as Mustafizur

Basically if you cannot get to the level of pay that a Aussie or Englishman or Indian gets, bring them down to your level.
 
The problem is, cricket is now run in the image of the semi-developed, corrupt, caste-controlled and chaotic nation which governs it.

Many constituent full-member nations of the ICC - Australia, England, New Zealand, Barbados, even arguably South Africa - have high levels of corporate, sporting and governmental governance.

Unfortunately a country which has no such high standards of governance now inflicts its lower standards upon the game we all love. Still, it could be worse - it could be Pakistan running the game! :)
We need to calculate how each player brings audience so that indian tv earns against their presence from their ad revenue in order to assert how much each player will get who on the other hand will have leverage on behalf of the board against ICC in your model.

So give me the formula how should we calculate about this?

A rough idea will suffice.
 
The reality is that Test cricket needs to die and T20 leagues should become the vast majority of cricket being played.

Also, ensure there is a T20 World Cup every 4 years and then you can evenly distribute the revenues among all playing nations.

@Junaids wants his loss making Test format to continue to exist at the same time which is just not feasible . And he absolutely hates the idea of T20 leagues as well.

The status quo will remain until this fundamentally changes.
 
At the end of the day , cricket needs that Indian money.

How do you think boards are going to afford DRS, Hawkeye and all other modern expensive equipment alongside player/teams accomodation, "presidential security" and thousand other things that cost millions of $ ? It's not 1971 anymore. Cricket is an expensive sport to run right now and would go bankrupt if you take India out of the picture.

It's easy to moan on internet forums without actually considering all the nuances but the real world works very differently.
 
Most boards are run by incompetent chairmen who don't have the same skills as their counterparts in football. There is also very little fan power in cricket too.

Look at football where the top clubs wanted to pull together and form a super league to make more money. Their own fans stood up against the proposal.

You are being naive if you expect this from India. It's a country of extremes and when it comes to cricketing money they are extremely nationalistic. It's a nation where a man without shoes will beat his chest in delight when a random franchise gives an Australian 1 million dollars and a nation that considered moving a match from Lahore to Dubai as retribution for a terror attack. You are being naive to expect sensible responses from this lot.
 
There is a fine line between dreams and practical reality, between fantasy and truth.
 
Daily reminder - when will be BCB and PCB form a new cricketing alliances with others boards as you was talking about it.

Please updates us ?

:kp
He will never answer that. Boards like BCB & PCB is only good to act as subservient of white cricket boards but don't have the capability to take the initiative themselves. I have asked multiple times why can't PCB take the lead and start the Champions League by inviting clubs from all countries (excluding IPL teams)? That could have been a revelation. But no, they want BCCI, CA or ECB to do all the work for them. Less said about minnows like BCB and their cricket team, its better. Then we have delusional fans like OP who wants a future of cricket without India sitting in his couch.
 
It smells like communism.
Nope. it is not communism. it is worse, its colonialism

Communism is take what you need and leave what you can.

Colonialism is "i'll take take what I want from what you need" and use it to deny what you need in the future.

@Junaids will you agree pooling your professional income and sharing it with the same professionals say for the sake of argument the ICC full member countries equally?
 
POTW, glad to see @Junaids back, this model of yours is certainly future proof but unless there’s a cataclysmic event in India, the gravy train will continue for the ICC & BCCI, and as long as they have the Pakistan matches in ICC tournies for their bonus, hard to see change anytime soon.
 
Consider football.

Fox and Telemundo have paid $1.4 billion for the US rights to broadcast the 2026 FIFA World Cup.

And FIFA will not give a cent of that to the US Soccer Federation.

But in cricket the BCCI extorts the ICC to hand over to it the majority of the income from Indian TV rights.

Basically the BCCI uses bilateralism to prevent the rest of the cricket world from being able to act collectively, and the BCCI then siphons off Indian TV money paid from private channels to the ICC, which should not be going to it at all.

So currently cricket is held to ransom by the BCCI, because they split the other nations and claim Indian TV money as if it were their own.

In my cricket world, all TV revenue from international cricket would go to the ICC, and then spent on employing all international cricketers and arranging and televising all series.

Not one cent would go to any cricket board. They would make their money from gate receipts and sponsorship, and any domestic tournaments they choose to fit into 3 four week windows (April, September, December).

The appalling Indian actions listed in the first post in this thread simply either would not occur or would be heavily punished.

You don’t want to play Pakistan? Fine, you have forfeited those matches and they get the points. And you can’t host any ICC tournaments until you stop refusing to play certain teams.

You don’t like DRS? Fine.
you keep making this comparison with Soccer.

Will La Liga, premier league, saudi league be pooling their revenues to equally distribute with football clubs in India, bangladesh and Pakistan any time soon?

@DeadlyVenom what do you think. you also brought up thew soccer comparison.
 
So @Junaids wants the top players of each team get to get the same salary.

So

Smith gets the same as Babar. Cummins gets the same as Shaheen.
Root gets the same as liton
Bumrah gets the same as Mustafizur

Basically if you cannot get to the level of pay that a Aussie or Englishman or Indian gets, bring them down to your level.
And expect them to survive with same salary in pak /aus/ uk etc.every kid will go for ipl
 
The problem with all these alternative scenarios is that cricket is a sport which is not followed by the worlds population at large. It's fan base is heavily dominated by former colonies of Britain, and thus by a massive percentage, Indian population. It's almost like a domestic sport in that sense, and that is why India gets to basically run world cricket.
 
The problem with all these alternative scenarios is that cricket is a sport which is not followed by the worlds population at large. It's fan base is heavily dominated by former colonies of Britain, and thus by a massive percentage, Indian population. It's almost like a domestic sport in that sense, and that is why India gets to basically run world cricket.
don't forget the part about how the Imperial cricket club (read: wardens and convicts) worked hard to restrict which nations could even play the game at the highest level. They lost the US market to baseball becos of their arrogance
 
Nothing is forever and nothing will stay forever.

English men started this game and dominated it but their domination also came to an end so will happen with India.
 
Nothing is forever and nothing will stay forever.

English men started this game and dominated it but their domination also came to an end so will happen with India.
It might happen if some similar country with an equally large fan base gets cricket as their main sport.
 
At the end of the day , cricket needs that Indian money.

How do you think boards are going to afford DRS, Hawkeye and all other modern expensive equipment alongside player/teams accomodation, "presidential security" and thousand other things that cost millions of $ ? It's not 1971 anymore. Cricket is an expensive sport to run right now and would go bankrupt if you take India out of the picture.

It's easy to moan on internet forums without actually considering all the nuances but the real world works very differently.
There you go. Key word - Real World.

Reality/Real World is completely different. What OP is suggesting will never ever happen. Let's set aside the fact that the BCCI will swat away any such kind of a proposal like fly. Let's just take ECB and CA. I do not for minute believe that the two will ever agree to such a setup. Will they be willing give away control of the Ashes and $$ resulting from it? Never. Will they ever let of the control from the Pataudi-DeMello or the BGT and the $$$ from it? Never.

The $$$ generated from these series is what predominately pays for everything. This is how all the big ticket items like stadium improvements/construction is paid for. So, any such proposal will be vetoed by the secondary two (ECB, CA) before it even gets to the Big1.

By the way, what the OP is suggesting is socialism. This will lead to mediocrity. Will enable and embolden boards like WI, SL, Zim and maybe even SA to sit on their rear end and not do anything. They already are. This will seal the deal. What they need is the exact opposite. Light a fire under them to jump up and get to work and generate their own $$.

Also, players should not be limited in terms of what they can earn. Will only lead to talented people going elsewhere. Leaving behind...........you guessed it - mediocrity.

Let the free market determine things.
 
He will never answer that. Boards like BCB & PCB is only good to act as subservient of white cricket boards but don't have the capability to take the initiative themselves. I have asked multiple times why can't PCB take the lead and start the Champions League by inviting clubs from all countries (excluding IPL teams)? That could have been a revelation. But no, they want BCCI, CA or ECB to do all the work for them. Less said about minnows like BCB and their cricket team, its better. Then we have delusional fans like OP who wants a future of cricket without India sitting in his couch.
Champions League is a perfect example. Only happened because of IPL/BCCI. They put in 50% of the finances. I think ECB and CA did the rest. All the others just tagged along for a free ride.

Once BCCI said they were no longer interested in CL, everything stopped. No one had the guts, willingness to run the league on their own. Without the IPL/BCCI.
 
Cricket is strong because of the guardianship of the BCCI. This is not something that can easily be altered.

The Indian public must remain steadfast and continue to support the team no matter the results, to ensure India remains dominant
 
Anyways, I'd love to see international cricket without BCCI for at least 3 years. It would be hilarious to watch. And then every fan who lives in a parallel world would come back to earth.

Moral of the story - Don't try biting the hands that feed you.​
 
If India failed to qualify for WTC final the same people who are happy will be crying in a few months time.

WTC is only profitable because of Team India.

So when nobody in India wants to buy next cycle of WTC rights then the same people who were happy will cry about India.

They will moan and groan but never ask their own boards to take action.
 
POTW, glad to see @Junaids back, this model of yours is certainly future proof but unless there’s a cataclysmic event in India, the gravy train will continue for the ICC & BCCI, and as long as they have the Pakistan matches in ICC tournies for their bonus, hard to see change anytime soon.
Yes. Nothing is going to change. As the OP has already admitted, all the boards are drunk with BCCI money.

Unless the boards stop this, nothing will happen. So the focus has to be on the boards and how to reform them. Not on the BCCI.
 
You really need to educate yourself about governance.

India
BCCI
Indian TV channels

….are three separate entities, not one.

The BCCI protection racket is based upon convincing people that they are the same thing. They aren’t.
The key here is the product that is being sold. BCCI has that product and controls everything related to it. India, rather the Indian fans really want the product. The India TV broadcasters are just the middle men/vehicle for the BCCI to sell their product to the Indian fans. All intertwined while being separate.

What makes BCCI so powerful is because of the product that they have and are selling. And the demand to get the product.
 
The key here is the product that is being sold. BCCI has that product and controls everything related to it. India, rather the Indian fans really want the product. The India TV broadcasters are just the middle men/vehicle for the BCCI to sell their product to the Indian fans. All intertwined while being separate.

What makes BCCI so powerful is because of the product that they have and are selling. And the demand to get the product.
The product didn't make BCCI powerful. BCCI made the product powerful.
 
Anyways, I'd love to see international cricket without BCCI for at least 3 years. It would be hilarious to watch. And then every fan who lives in a parallel world would come back to earth.

Moral of the story - Don't try biting the hands that feed you.​

This would be a good thing for the game actually. For individual players maybe not, as they would get to take less money out of the game, but for the game as a whole it would be a great equaliser. Indian greed and power lust would be brought to a juddering halt, and if they were out of the game for 3 years, they would come back to it with the understanding that cricket is better when it is administered for the good of all, not just themselves.
 
This would be a good thing for the game actually. For individual players maybe not, as they would get to take less money out of the game, but for the game as a whole it would be a great equaliser. Indian greed and power lust would be brought to a juddering halt, and if they were out of the game for 3 years, they would come back to it with the understanding that cricket is better when it is administered for the good of all, not just themselves.
as in when. Eng ans aus had the veto? or when Indian public was footing the bill for world cricket while it got very little in return?

Here is an idea, each board controls the money from its territory. They all contribute an equal amount and ICC is managed with that amount.
 
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