The future of cricket without India's dominance: A bold new model?

[Hitman]

This would be a good thing for the game actually. For individual players maybe not, as they would get to take less money out of the game, but for the game as a whole it would be a great equaliser. Indian greed and power lust would be brought to a juddering halt, and if they were out of the game for 3 years, they would come back to it with the understanding that cricket is better when it is administered for the good of all, not just themselves.

Absolutely! And in those 3 years, British Pakistanis will successfully fund the ICC and international cricket in general.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

in my opinion the problem with some people in Pakistan’s establishment and fans is not so much ego - after all they didn’t have as many issues with domination by England.

Their problem is with India and India’s slow global rise in the economic, cultural and other spheres.

I don’t say this true of everyone of course. But I do think for some Pakistanis this reality goes against the fundamentals of the superiority values they have been taught to believe from a religious, ethnic and racial perspective.

Perhaps Indians think of this in reverse. Who knows.

But I think that’s the reason that suggestions such as this thread where proposals to reduce payouts in a global game are taken and discussed seriously.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

as in when. Eng ans aus had the veto? or when Indian public was footing the bill for world cricket while it got very little in return?

Here is an idea, each board controls the money from its territory. They all contribute an equal amount and ICC is managed with that amount.

When Eng/Aus held a veto, that was a time when racist attitudes that third world countries were not capable of administrating fairly. Unfortunately, BCCI's powerplay has somewhat proved them right.

 

[LordJames]

It's not BCCI but Indian people who are crazy about Cricket and consume ridiculous amounts of it & that's the financial clout and power which BCCI and Indian Government enjoys. Ads provide the revenue because there are eyeballs to watch the Ads. Secondly Team India has been performing home and abroad for years so Indian people have Nationalistic pride in their team. How many teams have a "Bumrah" in their ranks and can do what he is doing in Australia?

Pakistan doesn't have the same demographics or the enthusiasm. Bangladeshi people are unwilling to pay ridiculous amounts to consume cricket and SENA people are not captivated by Cricket as a single sport. Cricket will never become that popular in US in the next 20-30 years.

That leaves few possible scenarios to end the dominance of Indian money, an economic downturn in India so severe that the masses refuse to pay for it but that will have ripple effect for the whole game of Cricket .

The second scenario is rise of Team Pakistan (performance) so it will become necessary for India to play Pakistan across all formats.

The third scenario is serious decline in performance of Team India across all formats and they start getting beat by most Category A International teams at home and abroad which will make Indian people lose interest in their National team.

No matter what we say Team India is competitive abroad and dominant at home.

People of Pakistan should concentrate on getting their "cricketing act" together and with it they will have tremendous bargaining power. Imagine a Pakistani team with Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib and Asif in their prime, which team will dare to keep them away and cope with the financial loses?

 

[saimayubera]

As India becomes richer the dominance will be more entrenched.

And as Pakistan fails to keep pace, they will be even more isolated.

 

[JaDed]

The key here is the product that is being sold. BCCI has that product and controls everything related to it. India, rather the Indian fans really want the product. The India TV broadcasters are just the middle men/vehicle for the BCCI to sell their product to the Indian fans. All intertwined while being separate.

What makes BCCI so powerful is because of the product that they have and are selling. And the demand to get the product.

He doesn’t seem to understand this.

 

[rpant_gabba]

When Eng/Aus held a veto, that was a time when racist attitudes that third world countries were not capable of administrating fairly. Unfortunately, BCCI's powerplay has somewhat proved them right.

becos they administered fairly for almost a century?

obliging entitled beggars with your resources does not equal fair administration

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

in my opinion the problem with some people in Pakistan’s establishment and fans is not so much ego - after all they didn’t have as many issues with domination by England.

Their problem is with India and India’s slow global rise in the economic, cultural and other spheres.

I don’t say this true of everyone of course. But I do think for some Pakistanis this reality goes against the fundamentals of the superiority values they have been taught to believe from a religious, ethnic and racial perspective.

Perhaps Indians think of this in reverse. Who knows.

But I think that’s the reason that suggestions such as this thread where proposals to reduce payouts in a global game are taken and discussed seriously.

Actually Pakistan had probably the most problems with domination by England. You may not have been around then, but Pakistan consistently challenged the status quo, it was Imran Khan who led the campaign for neutral umpires, Pakistan also challenged the domination of the ECB publicly which led to a falling out with PCB team manager of the time although I can't recall his name as it was back in the 1990s.

I think the only problem Pakistan has with India is that the Indian govt sees Pakistan as an enemy nationa and thus makes every effort to sideline and ultimately destroy Pakistan cricket.

 

[JaDed]

This would be a good thing for the game actually. For individual players maybe not, as they would get to take less money out of the game, but for the game as a whole it would be a great equaliser. Indian greed and power lust would be brought to a juddering halt, and if they were out of the game for 3 years, they would come back to it with the understanding that cricket is better when it is administered for the good of all, not just themselves.

Sports is good when money is not involved it goes with baseball, football and cricket too but cricket was not only without money but came with veto power before.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Sports is good when money is not involved it goes with baseball, football and cricket too but cricket was not only without money but came with veto power before.

You are missing the point. I am not defending veto power, as I already explained in subsequent posts, Pakistan fought harder than anyone to challenge the domination of England and Australia. But for Pakistan it has turned out to be more of a disaster to have India dominating because they are bringing to bear destructive policies due only to political enmity.

 

[JaDed]

it was Imran Khan who led the campaign for neutral umpires, Pakistan also challenged the domination of the ECB publicly which led to a falling out with PCB team manager of the time although I can't recall his name as it was back in the 1990s.

Imran Khan is not the same as all Pakistanis.

 

[JaDed]

You are missing the point. I am not defending veto power, as I already explained in subsequent posts, Pakistan fought harder than anyone to challenge the domination of England and Australia. But for Pakistan it has turned out to be more of a disaster to have India dominating because they are bringing to bear destructive policies due only to political enmity.

To be very clear when Imran Khan fought against ECB he never thought India would get to dominate it, he assumed they will get to dominate.

That’s why in 1990s Pakistan cricket could take trouble with ECB and BCCI

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Imran Khan is not the same as all Pakistanis.

To be very clear when Imran Khan fought against ECB he never thought India would get to dominate it, he assumed they will get to dominate.

That’s why in 1990s Pakistan cricket could take trouble with ECB and BCCI

Not really sure what your point is here. Imran Khan doesn't count as a Pakistani?

 

[saimayubera]

The seethe that Pakistanis have over Indian domination is similar to the jealousy some person gets when their neighbour becomes rich and famous while they are still struggling.

Once both India and Paksitan were "brown buggers" with the ICC being ruled by Eng/Aus.

Now India is at the top of the pile getting 5 match series, dedicated window for IPL, every other ICC trophy hosting rights, chairmanship of ICC, Indian companies buying up leagues wholesale, most expensive league etc etc.

Pakistan is relegated to a 2 test team, barely hosts ICC events and even those are turned in hybrid model, players can't play in IPL etc etc.

And as the economies diverge further, the gap will be further.

Pakistanis want nothing more than India to also be in the same mire as them.

And this extends beyond cricket.

When Chandrayaan-I failed, there was much rejoicing amongst Pakistanis. When II succeeded, crickets.

 

[captain.hansolo]

It would be lovely if India exits ICC and focuses on IPL all year long.

World cricket can become great again if it happens.

Yep you lot might win something for a change.

 

[sweep_shot]

Yep you lot might win something for a change.

You are acting like India win all ICC trophies. LOL! Talk about high delusion.

India won just 1 ICC trophy in the past 12 years in case you have forgotten.



This type of chest thumping suits Aussie fans. Not Indian fans.

 

[Devadwal]

You are acting like India win all ICC trophies. LOL! Talk about high delusion.

India won just 1 ICC trophy in the past 12 years in case you have forgotten.



This type of chest thumping suits Aussie fans. Not Indian fans.

But why NAGIN DANCE TEAM supporters are behaving like chamcha of Australia cricket team

 

[BouncerGuy]

India is dominating ICC atm and they have money to do so... They do intimidate other boards with their money. There should be a system of justice for each board...

 

[Hitman]

India is dominating ICC atm and they have money to do so... They do intimidate other boards with their money. There should be a system of justice for each board...

That's because every board desperately wants to do business with the BCCI. If the other boards themselves come forward and get intimidated in lieu of doing business with the BCCI, who is at fault?

Not one board apart from PCB has any issues with the BCCI. Mind you, I'm speaking of boards, not former cricketers.​

 

[BouncerGuy]

That's because every board desperately wants to do business with the BCCI. If the other boards themselves come forward and get intimidated in lieu of doing business with the BCCI, who is at fault?

Not one board apart from PCB has any issues with the BCCI. Mind you, I'm speaking of boards, not former cricketers.​

PCB and BCCI has another connection and that is political.

 

[Itachi]

PCB and BCCI has another connection and that is political.

Well.... Considering this relationship started in 80s where the first seed was sown, it's evident that this parameter is deeply involved after 40 years.

 

[Hitman]

PCB and BCCI has another connection and that is political.

Who brought politics in cricket back in 1990, BCCI or PCB? Now when the shoe is on the other foot, PCB cries foul.

 

[sweep_shot]

You are missing the point. I am not defending veto power, as I already explained in subsequent posts, Pakistan fought harder than anyone to challenge the domination of England and Australia. But for Pakistan it has turned out to be more of a disaster to have India dominating because they are bringing to bear destructive policies due only to political enmity.

It has become a disaster not just for PCB but also for other boards.

Current status quo in ICC only suits BCCI.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

The old chestnut

 

[Hitman]

Former England batter Kevin Pietersen stated India runs the world of cricket and anyone thinking otherwise would have to be an idiot when asked about IPL teams investing in English county sides.

Pietersen felt India's dominance was eventually good for the global and English game.

"Listen, at the end of the day you have to be an absolute idiot if you don't think that India runs the world of cricket. India runs the world of cricket and anyone arguing against it clearly is deluded. So actually when you see what India is doing for world cricket, the amount of cash that is being injected into the English cricket game in the last couple of weeks. It's amazing for world cricket and English cricket. I know the guys at the ECB and some of my buddies are the ones who took the Lord's. The amount of money they spent on the Lord's its ridiculous that they may never have thought about this money in their wildest imagination," he added, on the sidelines of an event.

The former England all-rounder revealed that county teams are struggling and the cash infusion from Indian investors was a great sign.

"There are a lot of counties that are struggling. So now with this cash injection with Indian investment its amazing. I was just in SA20 last week. All of the stadiums are full, ownership is all IPL teams, everyone is happy, the quality of cricket is spectacular," Pietersen added.

Pietersen also reminisced about how far his perception of India has transformed from when he initially came in 2003-2004 and now.

"Coming to India then (2003-2004) and coming to India now in 2024-25 is the most remarkable change. In 2003-04, it was like Oh no, we got to go to India and now it's like when can I go to India. I brought my kids for the first time to India in October last year and we had the most unbelievable holiday. We holidayed here in Mumbai and then we went upto Rajasthan for few days and then we went to find tigers in Ranthambore. So now they are like when are we coming back," he added.

Elaborating further, he spoke about how his developed a deep bond with India that goes beyond just cricket.

"They even want to come with me to the IPL this year. So with that being said I've got a tremendous relationship with India. I've got a great relationship because I was very competitive on the field and my cricket and hopefully what I did on the field is very respected. I've always respected India for the love that I've had since I came to this great country to score runs here. The Indian public is not stupid. They can be nice for a certain period but if you are rubbish, you are a goner. I've got a good friendship base in India, so I can go to a lot of cities and get a lot of home meals. That is what is really important. Friendship goes to a deeper level."
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[moghul]

Smart guy , that's the way to get an IPL contract as a commentator.

He was great batter but never knew he was a " former England allrounder"

 

[Slim]

KP has always been an indian suck up. Just like Warner. And posters like OP have to cower behind them to make stupid baseless points. India has been damaging to world cricket. There is no other way about it.

 

[Devadwal]

Smart guy , that's the way to get an IPL contract as a commentator.

He was great batter but never knew he was a " former England allrounder"

He has already a IPL contract. Pakistan fans and their jealousy/ conspiracy with IPL is mind blowing.

 

[Devadwal]

Due to India ,Some Bankrupt nation's cricket boards are surviving .

 

[Hitman]

KP has always been an indian suck up. Just like Warner. And posters like OP have to cower behind them to make stupid baseless points. India has been damaging to world cricket. There is no other way about it.

I'd rather take the views of former well reputed cricketers seriously over that of random Pakistanis. If KP has bias in favor of India, you guys aren't unbiased against India either. Except that KP's voice hold weight, your's doesn't.

 

[Hitman]

The only board the BCCI has been disastrous for is PCB. It's perfectly understandable about their and their fan's opinion on BCCI.

 

[Slim]

I'd rather take the views of former well reputed cricketers seriously over that of random Pakistanis. If KP has bias in favor of India, you guys aren't unbiased against India either. Except that KP's voice hold weight, your's doesn't.

KP is nothing better than youtubers that earn money praising India. There is a reason there is a huge market because Indians love validation. Is it some deep seated insecurity or what?

 

[Devadwal]

KP is nothing better than youtubers that earn money praising India. There is a reason there is a huge market because Indians love validation. Is it some deep seated insecurity or what?

Indian cricket doesn't needs any validation From anyone because everyone know the reality

Pakistan fans are jealous whenever any ex player's gives their opinion and they think like everything related to IPL conspiracy theories.

 

[Hitman]

KP is nothing better than youtubers that earn money praising India.

For you anyone saying anything good about Indian cricket or Indian cricketers belong to the same category. Except that the world doesn't give two hoots about your opinion.

 

[Vikram1989]

I'd rather take the views of former well reputed cricketers seriously over that of random Pakistanis. If KP has bias in favor of India, you guys aren't unbiased against India either. Except that KP's voice hold weight, your's doesn't.

Kp talks about inner dealings, county's financial status and issues .random guys will compare him to youtuber

 

[uppercut]

the-future-of-cricket-without-indias-dominance-a-bold-new-model.

Oh wow, what a brilliant thought. Truly groundbreaking. The future of cricket without India’s dominance? That’s like trying to imagine a future for oxygen if humans decided to breathe pure carbon dioxide instead—spoiler alert: It doesn’t end well, yet somehow amusing in its delusion.

Let’s be real—cricket without India is just a bunch of players awkwardly looking around, wondering why the stadiums are empty, broadcasters are panicking, and prize money is suddenly equivalent to pocket change. The so-called “bold new model” would probably involve teams funding themselves through bake sales and street performances because, without India, cricket’s entire financial ecosystem collapses faster than your logic in this question.

And let’s imagine how this bold new model will pan out: Empty stadiums, sponsorship deals drying up faster than a desert, and broadcasters wondering why their screens are showing a sport nobody is watching. Without India, who’s going to bring in the big fat moolah, the passionate fans, and the sheer viewership that keeps the sport alive? Oh wait—maybe the ICC can just thrive on the 12 people and a herd of sheep watching a bilateral series between New Zealand and West Indies. So exciting!


But hey, dream big. Maybe in this imaginary world of yours, Test matches will be played in front of dozens of people ( wait I take that back it is happening in your fav lala land otherwise known as Pakistan ! lol), and teams will struggle to afford a decent scoreboard. Meanwhile, India will just move on, dominating and ruthlessly monopolizing while the rest of cricket collectively realizes and goes : oops, we messed up.

I dont think you understand Hindi/Urdu but there is a sher which goes something like this: "Dill behlane ke liye khayal bahut zabardast hai ..."

 

[Slim]

For you anyone saying anything good about Indian cricket or Indian cricketers belong to the same category. Except that the world doesn't give two hoots about your opinion.

You keep on telling me the world doesnt give two hoots, yet you keep on getting triggered over my comments.

 

[Hitman]

You keep on telling me the world doesnt give two hoots, yet you keep on getting triggered over my comments.

Me getting triggered? I would have made long posts with personal insults if that were the case.

 

[Hitman]

Oh wow, what a brilliant thought. Truly groundbreaking. The future of cricket without India’s dominance? That’s like trying to imagine a future for oxygen if humans decided to breathe pure carbon dioxide instead—spoiler alert: It doesn’t end well, yet somehow amusing in its delusion.

Let’s be real—cricket without India is just a bunch of players awkwardly looking around, wondering why the stadiums are empty, broadcasters are panicking, and prize money is suddenly equivalent to pocket change. The so-called “bold new model” would probably involve teams funding themselves through bake sales and street performances because, without India, cricket’s entire financial ecosystem collapses faster than your logic in this question.

And let’s imagine how this bold new model will pan out: Empty stadiums, sponsorship deals drying up faster than a desert, and broadcasters wondering why their screens are showing a sport nobody is watching. Without India, who’s going to bring in the big fat moolah, the passionate fans, and the sheer viewership that keeps the sport alive? Oh wait—maybe the ICC can just thrive on the 12 people and a herd of sheep watching a bilateral series between New Zealand and West Indies. So exciting!


But hey, dream big. Maybe in this imaginary world of yours, Test matches will be played in front of dozens of people ( wait I take that back it is happening in your fav lala land otherwise known as Pakistan ! lol), and teams will struggle to afford a decent scoreboard. Meanwhile, India will just move on, dominating and ruthlessly monopolizing while the rest of cricket collectively realizes and goes : oops, we messed up.

I dont think you understand Hindi/Urdu but there is a sher which goes something like this: "Dill behlane ke liye khayal bahut zabardast hai ..."

Funny thing is apart from PCB, I've never heard any other cricket board whine or cry about the BCCI. In fact they are the first in line to do business with the BCCI. Convince them to boycott the BCCI, and that'll be the end of Indian cricket's financial dominance. Why can't you do it? Could it be that it's easy for losers to sit on their rear ends and pass comments and judgements, while the ones running a cricket board know the reality?

P.S. Even then all the PCB has done over the years is whine and beg the BCCI to resume bilateral ties with them.​

 

[uppercut]

Funny thing is apart from PCB, I've never heard any other cricket board whine or cry about the BCCI. In fact they are the first in line to do business with the BCCI. Convince them to boycott the BCCI, and that'll be the end of Indian cricket's financial dominance. Why can't you do it? Could it be that it's easy for losers to sit on their rear ends and pass comments and judgements, while the ones running a cricket board know the reality?

P.S. Even then all the PCB has done over the years is whine and beg the BCCI to resume bilateral ties with them.​

Because that would be like discarding Oxygen to breathe Carbon dioxide .... everyone except Pakistan and its delusional followers know that it doesn't end well ... lol

 

[Hitman]

Because that would be like discarding Oxygen to breathe Carbon dioxide .... everyone except Pakistan and its delusional followers know that it doesn't end well ... lol

Hmmm .... true. There's a fine line between delusions and practical reality.

 

[moghul]

He has already a IPL contract. Pakistan fans and their jealousy/ conspiracy with IPL is mind blowing.

Already has IPL contract, now it makes more sense. Money talks. IPL have bought heart and minds of many top cricketers, he is not the only one. There are not too many Micheal Holding around now-a-days.

 

[moghul]

He has already a IPL contract. Pakistan fans and their jealousy/ conspiracy with IPL is mind blowing.

Couple of decades ago, when you Bharatis were poor, used to cry over England and Australia's dominance over world cricket and now you got some money and you'r happy with one country's ridiculous dominance over world cricket affairs.

 

[Kianig89]

Currently there is no future of cricket without India, forget about it Indian are building an oligarch in franchise cricket and understandably Aus Eng are siding with them.

India is playing a global tournament at a different venue so there is no future of cricket without India till the life begins on Mars

 

[Hitman]

Already has IPL contract, now it makes more sense. Money talks. IPL have bought heart and minds of many top cricketers, he is not the only one. There are not too many Micheal Holding around now-a-days.

You mean the guy who neglected national duty and instead opted to play in the Kerry Packer circus for $$$$?

 

[Mesozoic]

Couple of decades ago, when you Bharatis were poor, used to cry over England and Australia's dominance over world cricket and now you got some money and you'r happy with one country's ridiculous dominance over world cricket affairs.

Two decades ago, no Indian fan gave a hoot about who was dominating world cricket and were just happy to see games of cricket and watch Sachin bat. No social media back then.

Even now, no other cricket fans give a hoot about BCCI's power and just want to enjoy this sport casually.

 

[Hitman]

Couple of decades ago, when you Bharatis were poor, used to cry over England and Australia's dominance over world cricket and now you got some money and you'r happy with one country's ridiculous dominance over world cricket affairs.

Couple of decades ago? You mean 2005? Do I need to remind you of what happened in a certain Test match of India in South Africa back in 2001?

 

[U$ofA]

Funny thing is apart from PCB, I've never heard any other cricket board whine or cry about the BCCI. In fact they are the first in line to do business with the BCCI. Convince them to boycott the BCCI, and that'll be the end of Indian cricket's financial dominance. Why can't you do it? Could it be that it's easy for losers to sit on their rear ends and pass comments and judgements, while the ones running a cricket board know the reality?

P.S. Even then all the PCB has done over the years is whine and beg the BCCI to resume bilateral ties with them.​

There you go. Once again, just like in the CT BCCI stand off situation, a solution lies right in front.

But just like in the CT BCCI stand off situation (replace Ind with SL), the solution in front will not be taken.

Now then, how with this whole future of cricket without India dominance ever come to fruition if the solution on hand is never implemented?

 

[U$ofA]

Couple of decades ago, when you Bharatis were poor, used to cry over England and Australia's dominance over world cricket and now you got some money and you'r happy with one country's ridiculous dominance over world cricket affairs.

There are solutions at the finger tips when implemented will end India's dominance. But none of the boards (outside PCB) or the ICC want to implement it.

My question is, why? What are they afraid of?

 

[RahulBose]

You are acting like India win all ICC trophies. LOL! Talk about high delusion.

India won just 1 ICC trophy in the past 12 years in case you have forgotten.



This type of chest thumping suits Aussie fans. Not Indian fans.

Then where do Bangladeshi fan stand?

 

[Mesozoic]

There are solutions at the finger tips when implemented will end India's dominance. But none of the boards (outside PCB) or the ICC want to implement it.

My question is, why? What are they afraid of?

They're afraid of missing out on the Indian handouts every year.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistanis are all talk. Hundred sold its franchisees and no pakistani turned up to bid.

You don't invest in cricket and have problems with the ones who are investing 100s of millions.

 

[U$ofA]

They're afraid of missing out on the Indian handouts every year.

Actually, I was wrong about the PCB. They too do not want to isolate BCCI. They are more about wanting to play India. At least that is how the PCB heads have come across with their statements in the past.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Couple of decades ago, when you Bharatis were poor, used to cry over England and Australia's dominance over world cricket and now you got some money and you'r happy with one country's ridiculous dominance over world cricket affairs.

Australia England domination ended in 90s when Dalmiya wrested the control of ICC presidency from them.

The Australia England candidate lost.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Actually, I was wrong about the PCB. They too do not want to isolate BCCI. They are more about wanting to play India. At least that is how the PCB heads have come across with their statements in the past.

Lots of pakistanis have problems with Indian money in cricket. But none would invest. British pakistanis had a great opportunity to show their love for the game and buy into the hundred.

Not even one showed up. NRIs from silicon valley showed up and bought a team.

You don't put your money into the game and you want those who do it to not have a say.

That's not how the world works.

 

[U$ofA]

They're afraid of missing out on the Indian handouts every year.

That's exactly what needs to stop. That is what this thread is all about. Ending BCCI dependency.

 

[U$ofA]

Lots of pakistanis have problems with Indian money in cricket. But none would invest. British pakistanis had a great opportunity to show their love for the game and buy into the hundred.

Not even one showed up. NRIs from silicon valley showed up and bought a team.

You don't put your money into the game and you want those who do it to not have a say.

That's not how the world works.

This is true. I am sure the option to buy was open to all that were willing to fork the $$$.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is true. I am sure the option to buy was open to all that were willing to fork the $$$.

Ultimately those willing to put up the money to run the game will have a say.

 

[moghul]

Two decades ago, no Indian fan gave a hoot about who was dominating world cricket and were just happy to see games of cricket and watch Sachin bat. No social media back then.

Even now, no other cricket fans give a hoot about BCCI's power and just want to enjoy this sport casually.

Can't discuss with someone who is happy with buried his head in sand. India is like
a homeless man who won a lottery and don't know what to do with that money.

 

[U$ofA]

It has become a disaster not just for PCB but also for other boards.

Current status quo in ICC only suits BCCI.

This status quo can be changed. And changed quickly. There is a solution right in front of everyone. Is anyone interested in pursuing and implementing it?

 

[Mesozoic]

Can't discuss with someone who is happy with buried his head in sand. India is like
a homeless man who won a lottery and don't know what to do with that money.

As usual no actual argument to counter the point but just emotional attacks. It's getting way too boring with you lot now.

 

[Hitman]

Can't discuss with someone who is happy with buried his head in sand. India is like
a homeless man who won a lottery and don't know what to do with that money.

There ain't no lottery in business. You have to earn every penny with your competence.

 

[mominsaigol]

Genuinely I do wish to say one thing.

I actually enjoy Indian team. For me India and Australia are the 2 most exciting team to ever exist. I'd be sad if their was a future in which India becomes a minnow.

Cricket would die if that were the case. But India won't become a minnow, their too developed.

 

[sweep_shot]

Genuinely I do wish to say one thing.

I actually enjoy Indian team. For me India and Australia are the 2 most exciting team to ever exist. I'd be sad if their was a future in which India becomes a minnow.

Cricket would die if that were the case. But India won't become a minnow, their too developed.

Most Indian players are pleasant. I have to give them that.

It is the obnoxious Indian fans who get their team hated. Even SENA fans troll India because of them (I saw that on Facebook).

I personally wouldn't mind if India become weaker in cricket because their fans are unbearable and ruin the experience for other fans. Losses keep them slightly more humble.

 

[mominsaigol]

Most Indian players are pleasant. I have to give them that.

It is the obnoxious Indian fans who get their team hated. Even SENA fans troll India because of them (I saw that on Facebook).

I personally wouldn't mind if India become weaker in cricket because their fans are unbearable and ruin the experience for other fans. Losses keep them slightly more humble.

It's mostly siraj and kohli who cause commotion. Against England, India have been peaceful.

their has been negative press when it comes to the recently concluded BGT, but it was really Kohli, Siraj and konstas causing all the commotion.

It's also why I've started to not like kohli now. Even if he never lost form and was in his prime, idc, his behaviour was inexcusable.

But besides these 2, the rest of the Indian camp is chill. Their not bad people and I like them as cricketers.

 

[sweep_shot]

It's mostly siraj and kohli who cause commotion. Against England, India have been peaceful.

their has been negative press when it comes to the recently concluded BGT, but it was really Kohli, Siraj and konstas causing all the commotion.

It's also why I've started to not like kohli now. Even if he never lost form and was in his prime, idc, his behaviour was inexcusable.

But besides these 2, the rest of the Indian camp is chill. Their not bad people and I like them as cricketers.

Konstas didn't do anything wrong. Indian players (Kohli particularly) started it and Konstas responded.

Konstas took a stand to India's bullying.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Crickets future is tied to India & that's the bottom line whether we like it or not. How long that rise of India will last, however, is not known.

You can bookmark my post if you wish to, but I clearly see that in the next decade or so you will have domestic competitions in other countries that will only function as feeder leagues to IPL. The IPL will also have a bigger window & more teams. Int'l cricket will only happen during a limited time & within limited teams & we may see teams skipping ICC tournaments or not taking too much interest in them. If India really wants to hurt us & they are well within their rights to do so, they can also put a ban on players playing PSL so even if we shift PSLs window, we may not attract top talent.

As PCB, this is the time to invest in building long-term lasting relationships with other countries that will also be negatively impacted by Indias dominance. These include Bangladesh, Nepal & Sri Lanka & our next 5 years should only be spent in forming proper cricketing ties with these countries, not just random useless MOUs that get signed & nothing ever happens after that. Afghanistan is not in this block of 3 countries that will be impacted so we need to understand this now, do our risk analysis, & pan out a future roadmap for our cricket.

PCB must ensure that our domestic tournament is a good product, develop player exchange programs with budding cricketing nations to leverage position within ICC (a body that will continue to be more toothless every passing day), develop a league in cooperation with Bangladesh & Sri Lanka, & find an overseas location preferably in UK where we can play playoffs & finals of our premier domestic tournament for extra revenue.

PCB chief ka aik stadium say doosray tak janay say kuch nai hoga, thori aql use karni paray gi.

 

[U$ofA]

Crickets future is tied to India & that's the bottom line whether we like it or not. How long that rise of India will last, however, is not known.

You can bookmark my post if you wish to, but I clearly see that in the next decade or so you will have domestic competitions in other countries that will only function as feeder leagues to IPL. The IPL will also have a bigger window & more teams. Int'l cricket will only happen during a limited time & within limited teams & we may see teams skipping ICC tournaments or not taking too much interest in them. If India really wants to hurt us & they are well within their rights to do so, they can also put a ban on players playing PSL so even if we shift PSLs window, we may not attract top talent.

As PCB, this is the time to invest in building long-term lasting relationships with other countries that will also be negatively impacted by Indias dominance. These include Bangladesh, Nepal & Sri Lanka & our next 5 years should only be spent in forming proper cricketing ties with these countries, not just random useless MOUs that get signed & nothing ever happens after that. Afghanistan is not in this block of 3 countries that will be impacted so we need to understand this now, do our risk analysis, & pan out a future roadmap for our cricket.

PCB must ensure that our domestic tournament is a good product, develop player exchange programs with budding cricketing nations to leverage position within ICC (a body that will continue to be more toothless every passing day), develop a league in cooperation with Bangladesh & Sri Lanka, & find an overseas location preferably in UK where we can play playoffs & finals of our premier domestic tournament for extra revenue.

Bandaroun ki tarah PCB chief ka aik stadium say doosray tak janay say kuch nai hoga, thori aql use karni paray gi.

Fairly good summary of IPL future. The BCCI is building new stadiums with IPL expansion in view. Even good existing stadiums like Mohali have been abandoned for a bigger better one for PBKS. Expansion will likely happen in another 5-6 years is my guess. Perhaps two more teams.

When expansion happens, the window will have to be increased. Couple that with teams requiring players to show up early for pre-season camps, will end up having a 4 month IPL window. Also, IPL teams will put in stricter rules on players on what they can and cannot do. As the IPL grows and even more $$$$ comes in, the more control the teams would want.

As far as PCB's relationship development with it's South Asian neighbors, BD and Nepal should be easy to do. But not SL. Not impossible. But tough. SL seems to tow the BCCI line pretty strongly. Getting a combined league going also is a tough proposition. But likely needed if PSL, BPL and LPL need to thrive, and grow. But I doubt that will ever happen.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Fairly good summary of IPL future. The BCCI is building new stadiums with IPL expansion in view. Even good existing stadiums like Mohali have been abandoned for a bigger better one for PBKS. Expansion will likely happen in another 5-6 years is my guess. Perhaps two more teams.

When expansion happens, the window will have to be increased. Couple that with teams requiring players to show up early for pre-season camps, will end up having a 4 month IPL window. Also, IPL teams will put in stricter rules on players on what they can and cannot do. As the IPL grows and even more $$$$ comes in, the more control the teams would want.

As far as PCB's relationship development with it's South Asian neighbors, BD and Nepal should be easy to do. But not SL. Not impossible. But tough. SL seems to tow the BCCI line pretty strongly. Getting a combined league going also is a tough proposition. But likely needed if PSL, BPL and LPL need to thrive, and grow. But I doubt that will ever happen.

The reason why I mentioned Sri Lanka as a potential partner is because it's possible but difficult to see "MI Colombo tigers" in SLPL within the next couple of years. Sri Lanka's cricket identity is threatened as well & they may look at other options to survive otherwise their talented cricketers like Pathirana may just play for Chennai based teams all year round in multiple domestic leagues & they'd be unable to do anything.

RSA, ILT20, & CPL are already having total IPL influence, add the 100 to the list & that's 4 leagues that are basically just IPL lite. This is a good thing too btw because it's protecting IPL from doing a full calendar takeover but there's a realistic chance that soon players will sign multi-year contracts where they'll play for a brand for the entire year (DC signed player playing all the leagues where that brand has a team & no int'l cricket). Not sure how long BBL will retain its identity but I guess they have an extra layer of protection due to their time zone & the league having decent attendance so far. Another thing, more than the 100, the counties being bought by big owner groups is the thing that shows the direction cricket is headed in, it's rare & has probably never happened, & i would be amazed if someone from USA would step in & buy PTVs domestic team in Pak cricket & brand it as LA Panthers PTV dynamites.

Recently discovered that there are a couple more 100K+ seating capacity stadiums being built in India which shows that the appetite for cricket in this country is only growing. Add the economic prowess & you can clearly see what is the future of cricket (barring force majeure level events). I'm btw neither jealous nor envious of this as its my firm belief that hard work on basic factors brings deserved success & they have put in a major shift in the last three decades, I just want my country to have functional cricket ecosystem & if we make our moves properly one feels that there will be room for us to coexist with the behemoth next door.

 

[Hitman]

It's also why I've started to not like kohli now. Even if he never lost form and was in his prime, idc, his behaviour was inexcusable.

Nobody likes an egomaniac. People tolerate such people as long as they show extraordinary performance in their field of work. Once their output stops, the hatred against them gets worse.

Ponting was the same. But he too could back up his obnoxiousness with performance till the 2007 WC. He smartly mellowed down soon after he started going downhill.​

 

[moghul]

There ain't no lottery in business. You have to earn every penny with your competence.

I agree, India didn't win any lottery , but BCCI behaving like one . There is no question India became an economic power with decades of hard work and stable political system, unlike Pakistan . But here is my problem with BCCI's overwhelming influence over world cricket, only due to the money factor .

Thanks to BCCI, now the test cricket is limited to three countries, is dying rapidly in others . ODI is already on ventilator . Indian businessmen ( not the sport loving people ) IPL's owner are buying T20 Franchises in many other countries including SA, WI, UAE and England and for their own business interest killing all other formats of cricket. Why is no antitrust law applies on them which " makes it illegal to monopolize, conspire to monopolize, or attempt to monopolize a market for products or services ". ???

 

[RahulBose]

Can't discuss with someone who is happy with buried his head in sand. India is like
a homeless man who won a lottery and don't know what to do with that money.

Well that's not true, India is doing amazing work for its domestic structure and the lives of cricketers playing within its jurisdiction.
You can call BCCI anything but misinformed, they know exactly what they are doing and want to do.

It probably is PCB , BCB and Wcb who have no idea what to do.

 

[Hitman]

I agree, India didn't win any lottery , but BCCI behaving like one . There is no question India became an economic power with decades of hard work and stable political system, unlike Pakistan . But here is my problem with BCCI's overwhelming influence over world cricket, only due to the money factor .

Thanks to BCCI, now the test cricket is limited to three countries, is dying rapidly in others . ODI is already on ventilator . Indian businessmen ( not the sport loving people ) IPL's owner are buying T20 Franchises in many other countries including SA, WI, UAE and England and for their own business interest killing all other formats of cricket. Why is no antitrust law applies on them which " makes it illegal to monopolize, conspire to monopolize, or attempt to monopolize a market for products or services ". ???

1. How did BCCI aid in Test cricket's declining popularity? It has been seen over the years how seriously the BCCI takes Test cricket. What can they do if other countries apart from Australia and England don't prioritise Test cricket?

2. What did BCCI to to put ODI cricket on ventilator? It was the ICC who started ODI cricket's decline with flat pitches worldwide, introducing the T20 format, silly rule changes, and introducing the 2 new ball rule in particular.​

 

[BouncerGuy]

India is dominating the cricket world atm and there is a solid reason for that. Not sure how long it will stay but it will stay as long as the money is involved

 

[Hitman]

1. How did BCCI aid in Test cricket's declining popularity? It has been seen over the years how seriously the BCCI takes Test cricket. What can they do if other countries apart from Australia and England don't prioritise Test cricket?

2. What did BCCI to to put ODI cricket on ventilator? It was the ICC who started ODI cricket's decline with flat pitches worldwide, introducing the T20 format, silly rule changes, and introducing the 2 new ball rule in particular.​

In chronological order -

1. The sponsors in ODI cricket demanded the ICC they wanted 100 overs to be bowled in every match. The maximum overs not being bowled resulted in them losing money big time. Solution? The ICC decided to have flat pitches all around the world and that there should be no home advantage in ODI cricket. It happened around 2004/05 and there was a roundtable discussion in 2006 on Cricinfo with Sanjay Manjerakar, Ian Chappell, John Wright, Tony Greig and Ravi Shastri where they discussed it.

2. Introduction of the T20 format and T20 leagues.

3. The ICC kept tinkering with the rules of ODI cricket including introducing power play, free hit off no balls, etc.

4. Introduction of the 2 new ball rule in ODI cricket.

Result? Disaster after disaster!​

 

[U$ofA]

I agree, India didn't win any lottery , but BCCI behaving like one . There is no question India became an economic power with decades of hard work and stable political system, unlike Pakistan . But here is my problem with BCCI's overwhelming influence over world cricket, only due to the money factor .

Thanks to BCCI, now the test cricket is limited to three countries, is dying rapidly in others . ODI is already on ventilator . Indian businessmen ( not the sport loving people ) IPL's owner are buying T20 Franchises in many other countries including SA, WI, UAE and England and for their own business interest killing all other formats of cricket. Why is no antitrust law applies on them which " makes it illegal to monopolize, conspire to monopolize, or attempt to monopolize a market for products or services ". ???

Interesting that you think that BCCI has killed test and ODI cricket. Not the fans or the corrupt and greedy boards of Pak, BD, SL, WI, SA, Zim. The blame lies with the fans and boards of the individual countries. Not the BCCI.

As far as buying teams, the boards in those countries are inviting the investors. They have set things up in such a way that enables all who want to fork over $$$ can own teams. Your beef should be with those boards and leagues not the businesses buying.

 

[captain.hansolo]

You are acting like India win all ICC trophies. LOL! Talk about high delusion.

India won just 1 ICC trophy in the past 12 years in case you have forgotten.



This type of chest thumping suits Aussie fans. Not Indian fans.

here are the ICC events in the last 15 years:

1. 2011 ODI WC
2. 2012 T20 WC
3. 2013 Champions Trophy
4. 2014 T20 WC
5. 2015 ODI WC
6. 2016 T20 WC
7. 2017 Champions Trophy
8. 2019 ODI WC
9. 2021 T20 WC
10. 2022 T20 WC
11. 2023 ODI WC
12. 2024 T20 WC

of these 12 events, India has attained the semifinal at all but the 2012 T20 WC. That is a 92% rate.
India has attained the final in seven of these twelve.

it is without a single shade of doubt in the top 2 teams in the T20 and ODI format since 2011.

has bangladesh broken the top 4? ever? a semifinal maybe if not the ICC ranking?

 

[Hitman]

And if it's IPL that's the 'villain', why exactly did other boards start their own T20 leagues? Why did PCB start the PSL, and with what intentions?

 

[mominsaigol]

Nobody likes an egomaniac. People tolerate such people as long as they show extraordinary performance in their field of work. Once their output stops, the hatred against them gets worse.

Ponting was the same. But he too could back up his obnoxiousness with performance till the 2007 WC. He smartly mellowed down soon after he started going downhill.​

Pointing was a little different. What he did was wrong but tbf to him, he wanted to market his team as ruthless and unbeatable which he achieved. His intimidation was a fear tactic which worked.

Again I'm not supporting him, what he did was 100% wrong, but it's somewhat justified as Australia was the team to fear.

Kohli and siraj just did it for the lolz, it was loser mentality based of a 19 year old getting under their skin. In siraj's case he fought with everybody.

These 2 clowns disgraced India as the rest of the team is very chill. I don't even get it,

Bumrah was chill and he had no issues, he trusted his world class abilities to dismiss a 19 year old newbie, it would make sense if Bumrah was mad and caused a commotion, but what's it to kohli? Why did he start it?