The future of cricket without India's dominance: A bold new model?

[Hitman]

This would be a good thing for the game actually. For individual players maybe not, as they would get to take less money out of the game, but for the game as a whole it would be a great equaliser. Indian greed and power lust would be brought to a juddering halt, and if they were out of the game for 3 years, they would come back to it with the understanding that cricket is better when it is administered for the good of all, not just themselves.

Absolutely! And in those 3 years, British Pakistanis will successfully fund the ICC and international cricket in general.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

in my opinion the problem with some people in Pakistan’s establishment and fans is not so much ego - after all they didn’t have as many issues with domination by England.

Their problem is with India and India’s slow global rise in the economic, cultural and other spheres.

I don’t say this true of everyone of course. But I do think for some Pakistanis this reality goes against the fundamentals of the superiority values they have been taught to believe from a religious, ethnic and racial perspective.

Perhaps Indians think of this in reverse. Who knows.

But I think that’s the reason that suggestions such as this thread where proposals to reduce payouts in a global game are taken and discussed seriously.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

as in when. Eng ans aus had the veto? or when Indian public was footing the bill for world cricket while it got very little in return?

Here is an idea, each board controls the money from its territory. They all contribute an equal amount and ICC is managed with that amount.

When Eng/Aus held a veto, that was a time when racist attitudes that third world countries were not capable of administrating fairly. Unfortunately, BCCI's powerplay has somewhat proved them right.

 

[LordJames]

It's not BCCI but Indian people who are crazy about Cricket and consume ridiculous amounts of it & that's the financial clout and power which BCCI and Indian Government enjoys. Ads provide the revenue because there are eyeballs to watch the Ads. Secondly Team India has been performing home and abroad for years so Indian people have Nationalistic pride in their team. How many teams have a "Bumrah" in their ranks and can do what he is doing in Australia?

Pakistan doesn't have the same demographics or the enthusiasm. Bangladeshi people are unwilling to pay ridiculous amounts to consume cricket and SENA people are not captivated by Cricket as a single sport. Cricket will never become that popular in US in the next 20-30 years.

That leaves few possible scenarios to end the dominance of Indian money, an economic downturn in India so severe that the masses refuse to pay for it but that will have ripple effect for the whole game of Cricket .

The second scenario is rise of Team Pakistan (performance) so it will become necessary for India to play Pakistan across all formats.

The third scenario is serious decline in performance of Team India across all formats and they start getting beat by most Category A International teams at home and abroad which will make Indian people lose interest in their National team.

No matter what we say Team India is competitive abroad and dominant at home.

People of Pakistan should concentrate on getting their "cricketing act" together and with it they will have tremendous bargaining power. Imagine a Pakistani team with Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib and Asif in their prime, which team will dare to keep them away and cope with the financial loses?

 

[saimayubera]

As India becomes richer the dominance will be more entrenched.

And as Pakistan fails to keep pace, they will be even more isolated.

 

[JaDed]

The key here is the product that is being sold. BCCI has that product and controls everything related to it. India, rather the Indian fans really want the product. The India TV broadcasters are just the middle men/vehicle for the BCCI to sell their product to the Indian fans. All intertwined while being separate.

What makes BCCI so powerful is because of the product that they have and are selling. And the demand to get the product.

He doesn’t seem to understand this.

 

[rpant_gabba]

When Eng/Aus held a veto, that was a time when racist attitudes that third world countries were not capable of administrating fairly. Unfortunately, BCCI's powerplay has somewhat proved them right.

becos they administered fairly for almost a century?

obliging entitled beggars with your resources does not equal fair administration

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

in my opinion the problem with some people in Pakistan’s establishment and fans is not so much ego - after all they didn’t have as many issues with domination by England.

Their problem is with India and India’s slow global rise in the economic, cultural and other spheres.

I don’t say this true of everyone of course. But I do think for some Pakistanis this reality goes against the fundamentals of the superiority values they have been taught to believe from a religious, ethnic and racial perspective.

Perhaps Indians think of this in reverse. Who knows.

But I think that’s the reason that suggestions such as this thread where proposals to reduce payouts in a global game are taken and discussed seriously.

Actually Pakistan had probably the most problems with domination by England. You may not have been around then, but Pakistan consistently challenged the status quo, it was Imran Khan who led the campaign for neutral umpires, Pakistan also challenged the domination of the ECB publicly which led to a falling out with PCB team manager of the time although I can't recall his name as it was back in the 1990s.

I think the only problem Pakistan has with India is that the Indian govt sees Pakistan as an enemy nationa and thus makes every effort to sideline and ultimately destroy Pakistan cricket.

 

[JaDed]

This would be a good thing for the game actually. For individual players maybe not, as they would get to take less money out of the game, but for the game as a whole it would be a great equaliser. Indian greed and power lust would be brought to a juddering halt, and if they were out of the game for 3 years, they would come back to it with the understanding that cricket is better when it is administered for the good of all, not just themselves.

Sports is good when money is not involved it goes with baseball, football and cricket too but cricket was not only without money but came with veto power before.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Sports is good when money is not involved it goes with baseball, football and cricket too but cricket was not only without money but came with veto power before.

You are missing the point. I am not defending veto power, as I already explained in subsequent posts, Pakistan fought harder than anyone to challenge the domination of England and Australia. But for Pakistan it has turned out to be more of a disaster to have India dominating because they are bringing to bear destructive policies due only to political enmity.

 

[JaDed]

it was Imran Khan who led the campaign for neutral umpires, Pakistan also challenged the domination of the ECB publicly which led to a falling out with PCB team manager of the time although I can't recall his name as it was back in the 1990s.

Imran Khan is not the same as all Pakistanis.

 

[JaDed]

You are missing the point. I am not defending veto power, as I already explained in subsequent posts, Pakistan fought harder than anyone to challenge the domination of England and Australia. But for Pakistan it has turned out to be more of a disaster to have India dominating because they are bringing to bear destructive policies due only to political enmity.

To be very clear when Imran Khan fought against ECB he never thought India would get to dominate it, he assumed they will get to dominate.

That’s why in 1990s Pakistan cricket could take trouble with ECB and BCCI

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Imran Khan is not the same as all Pakistanis.

To be very clear when Imran Khan fought against ECB he never thought India would get to dominate it, he assumed they will get to dominate.

That’s why in 1990s Pakistan cricket could take trouble with ECB and BCCI

Not really sure what your point is here. Imran Khan doesn't count as a Pakistani?

 

[saimayubera]

The seethe that Pakistanis have over Indian domination is similar to the jealousy some person gets when their neighbour becomes rich and famous while they are still struggling.

Once both India and Paksitan were "brown buggers" with the ICC being ruled by Eng/Aus.

Now India is at the top of the pile getting 5 match series, dedicated window for IPL, every other ICC trophy hosting rights, chairmanship of ICC, Indian companies buying up leagues wholesale, most expensive league etc etc.

Pakistan is relegated to a 2 test team, barely hosts ICC events and even those are turned in hybrid model, players can't play in IPL etc etc.

And as the economies diverge further, the gap will be further.

Pakistanis want nothing more than India to also be in the same mire as them.

And this extends beyond cricket.

When Chandrayaan-I failed, there was much rejoicing amongst Pakistanis. When II succeeded, crickets.