The Future of James Faulkner

[Convict]

So Australia ended up winning the tri series final. And again James Faulkner missed out on getting selected in the best XI.

Just over a year ago Faulkner was man of the match in the World Cup Final.

Australia are going with two allrounder in their top six - Maxwell and Mitch Marsh.

Both are deemed (correctly) to be better batting options than Faulkner. There isn't even space for a third allrounder because Finch, Khawaja and Bailey plus youngsters like Travis Head are fighting for two spots in the top order (Smith and Warner are automatic selections).

So Faulkner's only chance of getting selected is as one of the four bowlers. Starc and now Hazlewood are automatic selections. Previously Faulkner played as part of a four man pace attack but now Zampa is emerging as pretty good spin prospect and of course Cummins when fit generally gets selected.

Faulkner's bowling also seems to be getting pretty predictable - you know he will bowl 4 slower balls an over in the death and by trialing out guys like Boland it's pretty obvious the selectors are looking elsewhere for someone to partner Starc at the death.

So what do people think about Faulkner's chances of becoming a regular selection again?

Fastest fall from grace in history?

Australian Allrounders (ODIs)
#  Player                Age Bat Bwl Mat  Runs  HS  Ave    SRAT  100 50  Wkts  BBI  Ave   Econ  5i  Ct 
1. JP Faulkner           26  RHB LFM  54   878 116  39.90 111.84   1  4    70  4/48 32.71 5.60   0  15
2. MR Marsh              24  RHB RFM  37  1024 102* 39.38  93.85   1  7    33  5/33 31.72 5.39   1  18 
3. GJ Maxwell            27  RHB OS   67  1763 102  33.26 125.74   1 13    45  4/46 38.15 5.52   0  37

Australian Allrounder (List A)  
#  Player                Age Bat Bwl Mat  Runs  HS  Ave    SRAT  100 50  Wkts  BBI  Ave   Econ  5i  Ct 
1. JP Faulkner           26  RHB LFM 100  1670 116  32.74  93.13   1 10   136  4/20 30.90 5.34   0  26
2. MR Marsh              24  RHB RFM  77  2129 104  36.08  90.13   2 14    73  5/33 27.01 5.30   2  38
3. GJ Maxwell            27  RHB OS  106  2948 146  35.95 125.98   4 20    68  4/46 36.69 5.35   0  63

Australian Bowlers (ODI)
#  Player                Age Bwl Mat Wkts BBI  Ave   Econ SRAT 5i 
1. SM Boland             27  RFM   7    7 2/59 64.00 6.58 58.2  0
2. NM Coulter-Nile       28  RF   16   27 4/48 27.18 5.38 30.2  0
3. PJ Cummins            23  RF   18   33 4/49 25.21 5.69 26.5  0
4. JP Faulkner           26  LFM  54   70 4/48 32.71 5.60 34.0  0
5. JR Hazlewood          25  RFM  24   38 5/31 23.18 4.57 30.3  2
6. MR Marsh              24  RFM  37   33 5/33 31.72 5.39 35.2  1
7. JS Paris              23  LFM   2    1 1/40 93.00 5.81 96.0  0
8. JL Pattinson          26  RFM  15   16 4/51 42.56 5.62 45.4  0
9. KW Richardson         25  RFM  12   14 5/68 38.57 5.34 43.2  1
10.MA Starc              26  LF   51   98 6/28 19.79 4.82 24.6  5
11.A Zampa               24  LS    7   13 3/16 25.07 5.21 28.8  0

Australian Bowlers (List A)
#  Player                Age Bwl Mat Wkts BBI  Ave   Econ SRAT 5i 
1. SM Boland             27  RFM  36   48 5/63 35.66 5.52 38.7  1
2. NM Coulter-Nile       28  RF   52   93 5/26 24.23 4.85 29.9  0
3. PJ Cummins            23  RF   30   48 4/49 27.83 5.56 30.0  0
4. JP Faulkner           26  LFM 100  136 4/20 30.90 5.34 34.6  0
5. JR Hazlewood          25  RFM  66  103 7/36 27.15 4.84 33.6  3
6. MR Marsh              24  RFM  77   73 5/33 27.01 5.30 30.5  2
7. JS Paris              23  LFM  15   25 4/13 20.80 4.58 27.2  0
8. JL Pattinson          26  RFM  45   68 6/48 28.64 5.08 33.7  1
9. KW Richardson         25  RFM  51   88 6/48 25.76 4.95 31.1  6
10.MA Starc              26  LF   76  162 6/25 18.59 4.79 23.2  8
11.A Zampa               24  LS   32   48 4/18 30.85 5.14 35.9  0

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

He is still young and he will come back like a beast, I remember how Warner turned out to be. I thought he was only a T20 specialist when he first came in then what happened next blew my mind. Faulkner is a Popstar, Never stop never stopping

 

[Hasan123]

Why is Cummins an automatic selection what about pattison? Also isn't John Hastings ahead of Faulkner. Australia have lots of depth. Faulkner is a good player but his bowling seems to have been worked out and his batting form has gone.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Hit and miss guy like Maxwell, don't understand why Maxwell is ahead of him.

 

[Convict]

Why is Cummins an automatic selection what about pattison? Also isn't John Hastings ahead of Faulkner. Australia have lots of depth. Faulkner is a good player but his bowling seems to have been worked out and his batting form has gone.

Hastings is pretty old.

The selectors love Cummins

 

[Suleiman]

I'm sorry but Marsh always gives off this vibe of mediocrity, and then when you least expect him to, he delivers. Today was one of those cases with the ball and I remember him pulling off some 80 or 87 with the bat in the UAE.

Also recall him making a slow hundred in NZ, considered the absolute belted it was ofc, when everyone was going at 100+ SR and he made his ton at 80-90 SR wasting deliveries which should've been useful runs, because at the end NZ chased it down easily (?)

Tbh I think Faulkner is a bit overrated as a bowler who has begun over relying on the slower delivery. On the flip side I think he's more dynamic and explosive as a lower order hitter compared to Marsh. Faulk has also finished off some very tight and difficult chases for pretty much any lower order batsman sometimes on his own.

Marsh I think is more suited to tests. He's a very very handy bowler, and I think is near or at the same level as Stokes in this regard who is also considered a good pace allrounder.

 

[Suleiman]

Also recall him making a slow hundred in NZ, considering the absolute belter it was on ofc, when everyone was going at 100+ SR and he made his ton at 80-90 SR wasting deliveries which should've been useful runs, because at the end NZ chased it down easily (?)

only 2 mins to edit.. ugh

And my bad, NOT the game vs NZ. He was decent there, the game vs India was the one. He made 102* in the first innings but given the surface he had, he wasted too long tuk-tuking to get a 100 and the score Aus put up ended up within India's reach:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/895815.html

So yeah to summarize:

In LOIs:

Bowling- Marsh > Faulk

Batting- Faulk > Marsh

In tests Marsh is superior overall for sure.

 

[Convict]

I'm sorry but Marsh always gives off this vibe of mediocrity, and then when you least expect him to, he delivers. Today was one of those cases with the ball and I remember him pulling off some 80 or 87 with the bat in the UAE.

Also recall him making a slow hundred in NZ, considered the absolute belted it was ofc, when everyone was going at 100+ SR and he made his ton at 80-90 SR wasting deliveries which should've been useful runs, because at the end NZ chased it down easily (?)

Tbh I think Faulkner is a bit overrated as a bowler who has begun over relying on the slower delivery. On the flip side I think he's more dynamic and explosive as a lower order hitter compared to Marsh. Faulk has also finished off some very tight and difficult chases for pretty much any lower order batsman sometimes on his own.

Marsh I think is more suited to tests. He's a very very handy bowler, and I think is near or at the same level as Stokes in this regard who is also considered a good pace allrounder.

All of Faulkner's successes with the bat have come under the fielding restrictions in the last 10 overs rules that were in place a while back.

Plus when ou look at it he doesn't really have many shots.

And Marsh does average pretty much 40 at a strike rate of over 90

 

[LowKiiSavage]

When you have nepotism based selections in talentless Marsh brothers that would result in some more talented players getting the axe.

 

[Muhammad10]

only 2 mins to edit.. ugh

And my bad, NOT the game vs NZ. He was decent there, the game vs India was the one. He made 102* in the first innings but given the surface he had, he wasted too long tuk-tuking to get a 100 and the score Aus put up ended up within India's reach:

[B]http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/895815.html[/B]

So yeah to summarize:

In LOIs:

Bowling- Marsh > Faulk

Batting- Faulk > Marsh

In tests Marsh is superior overall for sure.

Alas. If only our players could tuk-tuk like this.

 

[Suleiman]

All of Faulkner's successes with the bat have come under the fielding restrictions in the last 10 overs rules that were in place a while back.

Plus when ou look at it he doesn't really have many shots.

And Marsh does average pretty much 40 at a strike rate of over 90

That makes sense I suppose, but idk why, whenever Marsh comes out to bat he looks unthreatening and looks like he'll give away a soft dismissal.

There's always some danger in the air whenever I see Faulkner at the crease.

Also, what became of Ashton Agar? Last time he got in some LOI squad but idk if he played. Looked like a good bowling allrounder for a month but then disappeared.

 

[aroor]

Finisher is Finished

 

[Chief Destroyer]

3 pacers, 1 spinner, 1 WK and Maxwell. His competition is Maxwell and the least effective pacer out of the three.

 

[Ind_Yeah]

Good thread. Maxwell the batsman is well ahead of Faulkner - Maxwell is more of a batsman who can give you a few overs a la Suresh Raina. Faulkner has to make the team with his bowling and as outlined here, he's missing out and reasonably so. Mitchell Marsh's potential as a 2-tool cricketer makes the Aussie Selectors give him a longer rope - if he ever does mature into a better player, OZ will be a much better team in all 3 formats. But clearly he's a work in progress.

I wish Indian selectors had a similar vision when it comes to grooming allrounders - Hardik Pandya should have gone to Zim and played all 3 ODIs as a bowler. Now I know he's nowhere near Marsh's ability as a bowler, but he's the best option that India has got for seamer allrounder and should be groomed and polished into a better player. But stoopid BCCI dropped the ball on that one.

 

[Mamoon]

Faulkner was always supposed to be a temporary option.

His bowling isn't great and he has had his days with the bat, he doesn't have a high ceiling like Marsh and Maxwell.

He has pretty much reached a dead-end in terms of potential. Useful squad player, but not good enough to have a permanent spot in the team when you have talents like Marsh and Maxwell at your disposal.

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Ideally, Faulkner should be in the Test squad, he is not a good option in ODIs, his MOTM in the WC final was a fluke, Marsh is better than him in ODIs and T20Is.

 

[Hasan123]

Hastings is pretty old.

The selectors love Cummins

What is the latest with Cummins and Pattinson? How are they recovering l?

 

[The_Odd_One]

Very hard for Australia to play 3 all-rounders and a keeper who all bat in the middle/lower order.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Looks a little brighter now

 

[msb314]

With Maxwell dropped - Faulker could now occupy the number 5 slot.

The guy has potential with the bat - he should get a lot more opportunities now.

His batting was always going to be more useful than his bowling anyway...

 

[Thivagar]

Faulkner is a smart bowler, will run through the SL line up.

 

[Slog]

Faulkner's a World Cup final hero!

Will always have my respect.

 

[Convict]

With Maxwell dropped - Faulker could now occupy the number 5 slot.

The guy has potential with the bat - he should get a lot more opportunities now.

His batting was always going to be more useful than his bowling anyway...

Faulkner's batting will never be good enough to bat above 7 or 8

 

[Zain Zaidi]

He can run hard and get 12 Runs off an over without a boundary

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[Gabbar Singh]

Faulkner being in the news for other reasons prompted me to think of his cricket career and this seems as good a thread as any to update.

He’s gone from being one of the best odi all rounders in the world to not being anywhere near the international side.

What went wrong?

 

[MenInG]

Enjoying himself at the PSL!

2 wickets so far!

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">James Faulkner playing his first ever match in the Pakistan Super League:<br><br>Overs 4<br>Runs conceded 32<br>Dot balls 10<br>Wickets 3<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL6?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL6</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/lIGVQIJD1y">pic.twitter.com/lIGVQIJD1y</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1402667940567203847?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

The unstoppable Mr. Faulkner - 2 wickets so far

 

[MenInG]

Continuing taking wickets!

Usman Khan c Tim David b Faulkner 0(4) - 4/1 in 1.4 ov.

 

[TeymurBlake]

He looks reinvigorated in PSL. Bowling good variation and accuracy.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">James Faulkner's brilliance at the PSL:<br><br>4 25 3<br>4 19 3<br>4 23 2<br>4 32 3<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL6?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL6</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LQvQG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LQvQG</a> <a href="https://t.co/KqzCB0osJH">pic.twitter.com/KqzCB0osJH</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1404810933860540418?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 15, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

Has James Faulkner been found out? No wickets in PP this time.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Should be a permanent member of Australia’s limited overs teams.

 

[MenInG]

Australian all-rounder James Faulkner has lashed out at his former Big Bash League club Hobart Hurricanes after 'disrespectful' contract offer fell though. He also said that he was shattered over how things played out at Hurricanes.

"I'm obviously not on board (at the Hurricanes). It is very disappointing. I wanted to be a part of the Hurricanes and represented Tasmania. I'm just shattered at how it's all played out," said Faulkner at Jack and Painey show on SEN Hobart.

"They brought an initial offer to my manager… he was embarrassed to bring it (to me). I found that pretty hard to take when I first heard it on the phone -- found it pretty disrespectful for what I've given to Tasmanian cricket. I've put my heart and soul into it. To hear the initial offer… it cut pretty deep," added Faulkner.

The 31-year-old, who last played for Australia in 2017, is still angry over how Hurricanes treated him when contract renewal talks came over. Faulkner was the Player of the Match in the 2015 Cricket World Cup final, picking 3/36 against New Zealand at the Melbourne Cricket Ground.

"It's all OK for them to say they want me, but when they offered what they did, it was very clear that they didn't want me. They just left me in the background after they promised they were going to sort of it. They actually called me in before I went to the Pakistan Super League to apologise, and it still never got sorted out," explained Faulkner.

"They did offer a couple of (more) times. It was the initial offer and not feeling wanted - I know what I'm worth. I didn't want more, I just wanted what was fair and maybe a little less. It comes back to that first offer - I didn't feel respected as a player or as a person or a Tasmanian."

After seven seasons with the Melbourne Stars in BBL, Faulkner made a move towards home to Hobart Hurricanes ahead of the 2018-19 season with a three-year deal. He also had an angry swipe over head coach Adam Griffith's indifferent attitude.

"They used injury against me the whole time which is quite disappointing. Last season I had an eight-week hamstring and I tried to come back in three-and-a-half weeks and put my body on the line to come back so we had a shot at making finals. For the coach to use that against me I felt was wrong.

"People don't really know the whole story, but that cut me deep when I heard that on the news the other night. I've never had an issue with Cricket Tasmania, the board, the players and the supporters - I've loved every part of being a Tasmanian cricketer. Through this negotiation with certain people there's been a breakdown in relationship."

Faulkner played just 12 of 29 matches in the last two BBL seasons. In the last season, he suffered a serious hamstring injury which ended his tournament in December.

"When you watch the news, and you see who I thought was one of my mates as well as the head coach say the bowling group and the team have performed well without me and that we need to move on and that he didn't really care - that's like sticking a knife straight in
my back."

On his future in BBL, Faulkner said he will now take part in other T20 leagues. Faulkner did well in the Pakistan Super League (PSL) with 13 wickets in six matches at an economy rate of 6.50 for the Lahore Qalandars.

"There's no other way for me to continue to be playing (in BBL). I'll be playing in the Pakistan Super League again, and I'm playing in the T10s in Abu Dhabi, and then hopefully Sri Lanka as well and whatever else pops up."

https://www.indiatvnews.com/sports/...anes-over-disrespectful-contract-offer-731317

 

[Major]

What ever happened to the guy after breaking the chandelier in Pakistan?