The gulf between the Pakistan and Bangladesh cricket teams is still huge

[Giannis]

Proves it's hard to defeat a system and legacy that's been in place for 70 years

 

[Rana]

Bangladesh genuinely serve no purpose in Test cricket besides providing the established sides to debut its future mainstays, allow rookies to get their first ever 5fer, hat trick or Test ton, and to allow world class players to cash in with huge tons in order to maintain that 50+ average throughout their Test career.

 

[Giannis]

Bangladesh genuinely serve no purpose in Test cricket besides providing the established sides to debut its future mainstays, allow rookies to get their first ever 5fer, hat trick or Test ton, and to allow world class players to cash in with huge tons in order to maintain that 50+ average throughout their Test career.

They'll get better eventually but from sociological POV I'm interested in knowing why they aren't at the level of India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka, I'm wondering if it's cause they didn't inherit much of the systems and infrastructures from the British that the other three did and perhaps most of the investment into Bengali cricket was in the western half that fell to India, I wonder if that's the missing piece to Bengali cricket.

 

[gazza619]

Why though?

SL evolved, and won the World Cup. Why did Bangladesh not improve? Is it pitches? Politics? Mentality?

 

[Giannis]

Why though?

SL evolved, and won the World Cup. Why did Bangladesh not improve? Is it pitches? Politics? Mentality?

I think Sri Lanka inherited their cricket infrastructure and first class system from the British but Bangladesh/East Bengal historically was a neglected region and most of the investment was in Calcutta, I wonder if the Bangladeshi cricket team played their home games at Eden Gardens would they have been a better team?

 

[The Googly]

When Bangladesh were given test status in 1999, you would have thought that they understood that by far the most important format of cricket is test cricket. After all, why else would you be given ‘Test’ status? To play test cricket. Yet, purely for the reason of results, they focused on 50 over cricket, Big mistake. Test cricket is the format that only the best survive in. This attitude has stopped Bangladesh developing as a cricket nation.
In 2015, after the World Cup , Pakistan sent a slightly changed and demotivated side to Bangladesh who deservedly whitewashed them in the one day games. Bangladesh went berserk and announced themselves as world beaters and the 2nd best side in Asia. They conveniently forgot they got whitewashed in the test series - the main format of the tour. I must admit Bangladesh fans are by far the most delusional.

 

[Giannis]

When Bangladesh were given test status in 1999, you would have thought that they understood that by far the most important format of cricket is test cricket. After all, why else would you be given ‘Test’ status? To play test cricket. Yet, purely for the reason of results, they focused on 50 over cricket, Big mistake. Test cricket is the format that only the best survive in. This attitude has stopped Bangladesh developing as a cricket nation.
In 2015, after the World Cup , Pakistan sent a slightly changed and demotivated side to Bangladesh who deservedly whitewashed them in the one day games. Bangladesh went berserk and announced themselves as world beaters and the 2nd best side in Asia. They conveniently forgot they got whitewashed in the test series - the main format of the tour. I must admit Bangladesh fans are by far the most delusional.

But why it did take them them 28 years to get test status, Pakistan got test status only 5 years after independence. I wonder if it's cause Banglandesh had to start from scratch and build everything up from ground zero or maybe I'm wrong, I don't know much about Bengali cricket history.

 

[Savak]

They were beating our U-19 and A teams a few years ago. Even beat the Indian U-19 team. They really need to dig deep and introspective. Perhaps getting rid of non performing seniors will be a start. They also need to stop making spin centric wickets because their batsmen are not good enough in these conditions either so there is no real advantage. Maybe backing pacers will be a good start.

 

[realitygaf]

They were incorrectly given test status after pakistan gifted the 1999 wc game to them. They were and still are a white ball side who shouldnt have test status

 

[Giannis]

They were incorrectly given test status after pakistan gifted the 1999 wc game to them. They were and still are a white ball side who shouldnt have test status

You can't gatekeep test cricket, cricket is not a huge game and eliminating teams for mediocrity just reduces the brand value of cricket - we have to retain Bangladesh and Ireland and maybe even expand to include other smaller teams like Scotland and Namibia in the near future.

 

[Giannis]

They were beating our U-19 and A teams a few years ago. Even beat the Indian U-19 team. They really need to dig deep and introspective. Perhaps getting rid of non performing seniors will be a start. They also need to stop making spin centric wickets because their batsmen are not good enough in these conditions either so there is no real advantage. Maybe backing pacers will be a good start.

I think Bangladesh should swallow their pride and seek help from Pakistan, clearly the alliance with India hasn't benefited their cricket. Pakistani legendary fast bowlers and batsmen could coach Bangladeshi cricketers and bring them up to a decent level.

 

[sweep_shot]

Not just Pakistan but also other teams. Gap between Bangladesh and top 8 is currently massive.

It is a shame because Bangladesh had a relatively okay period from 2015 to 2018 (multiple Test victories against top nations, ODI series wins, reaching Asia Cup finals, reaching CT semi-final etc.).

I blame politics, pitches, and arrogance of fans/players/board. It is a combination of many things.

I personally think Bangladesh should not play Test cricket. They should lose Test status along with Zimbabwe.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Not good in sports I am afraid, maybe a mentality/culture problem. Never won an Olympic medal with 170 million population, never seen success in any sport, not just cricket.

Can't blame genetics or diet since neighboring NE Indian states (poorer with almost zero infrastructure and sub-Saharan level of HDI) have produced Olympic medalists, even West Bengal.

Pakistan hasn't done well in Olympics or Asian Games for the last 3 decades but before that there were many great hockey players, squash players, even boxers and wrestlers. A Sri Lankan lady in 2000 won an Olympic silver medal in 200m sprint, imagine a desi doing that in a sport dominated by blacks from USA and Caribbean. I have heard good things about rugby in Sri Lanka. Maldives with such a tiny population has won South Asian football title more than once. Afghanistan has produced combat athletes and even won Olympic medals. Nepal has produced the best mountaineers on this planet, probably the most physically challenging outdoor physical activity. Who do we have from Bangladesh?

I am sure they are doing well in other areas like economy, but sports is not their forte. South Asia is the weakest sports region on this planet but even compared to our low standards Bangladesh is not a sporting country at all. But as I said there are things they are good at, hope they become better. Best of luck.

 

[gazza619]

I think Sri Lanka inherited their cricket infrastructure and first class system from the British but Bangladesh/East Bengal historically was a neglected region and most of the investment was in Calcutta, I wonder if the Bangladeshi cricket team played their home games at Eden Gardens would they have been a better team?

Could be the reason. But their fans are so enthusiastic, they should have done better.

 

[gazza619]

I personally think Bangladesh should not play Test cricket. They should lose Test status along with Zimbabwe.

Then who would teams like Pakistan play test cricket with? Big 3 are busy playing half a dozen test matches against each other every year. The wannabe big 4 (NZ) fill in the gaps here and there.

Test cricket needs a decent home grown Bangladesh.

 

[Swashbuckler]

U-19 Bangladesh team has had success in recent years. Some hope.

I think there needs to be wholesale change in their cricket setup, too many TTFs around, and old players have stuck around for too long without taking their cricket to the next level. Keep max 2 seniors and some young guns like Fizz, Liton, Taijul, then rebuild the side around this core with young blood and a fresh approach/philosophy. May never be a top team but in a dying sport like cricket, even being 5th or 6th ranked side will give many openings.

 

[gazza619]

U-19 Bangladesh team has had success in recent years. Some hope.

I think there needs to be wholesale change in their cricket setup, too many TTFs around, and old players have stuck around for too long without taking their cricket to the next level. Keep max 2 seniors and some young guns like Fizz, Liton, Taijul, then rebuild the side around this core with young blood and a fresh approach/philosophy. May never be a top team but in a dying sport like cricket, even being 5th or 6th ranked side will give many openings.

That guy Afif needs to be given confidence and a role to play.

 

[Third_Umpire]

BD is shockingly bad across all formats. Only time I see a notable win from them is at home on substandard pitches. Even that doesn't happen against Asian teams.

They've been around too long to be this bad, and have enough resources to develop better players (money/endorsements, talent pool, etc).

 

[PakLFC]

Bangladesh are still a rookie side. Only reason the ICC accept them is because Cricket needs as many teams as possible. We were always gonna defeat them easily as is the case.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Bangladesh should have never gotten test status.

 

[bujhee kom]

We are not there yet as a test side. However cricket needs money and we have it.
It is our loans keeping Lanka alive, and Pakistan is just a minnow insofar as the economy goes. India has fallen well behind.
Don't like us playing- don't count on our Taka.

 

[street cricketer]

We are not there yet as a test side. However cricket needs money and we have it.
It is our loans keeping Lanka alive, and Pakistan is just a minnow insofar as the economy goes. India has fallen well behind.
Don't like us playing- don't count on our Taka.

I miss this kind of the boisterous BD posters these days. Brought a lot of colour and banter to the forum

 

[ChTab]

They were beating our U-19 and A teams a few years ago. Even beat the Indian U-19 team. They really need to dig deep and introspective. Perhaps getting rid of non performing seniors will be a start. They also need to stop making spin centric wickets because their batsmen are not good enough in these conditions either so there is no real advantage. Maybe backing pacers will be a good start.

Performances at the U-19 level don't mean anything. It only gives you the illusion that you have talent.

 

[globalcitizen]

Proves it's hard to defeat a system and legacy that's been in place for 70 years

It shows how much pakistan cricket has regressed that you need to gloat against a bottom rank and inexperienced side like Bangladesh. They have played 100 odd games vs Pakistan's 500 odd games.
Their cricket structure might be falling in place because I see some very good cricketers although they have not learnt to score big. It takes time. I am sure their next gen of cricketers will be challenging top teams soon.

As for Pakistan they should perform against big teams and not compare against these teams.
Still relying on 35 year olds in batting and bowling and mocking at other teams

 

[street cricketer]

One thing that surprises me is that their recent growth in economy isn't getting reflected in their performance in sports. India's performance in sports gradually improved and started winning more Olympic medals as the Indian economy grew in the 2000s and 2010s.

Bangladesh have even overtaken India in terms of gdp per capita after lagging behind both India and Pakistan for a long time, but that improvement in sports is yet to be shown. If I'm not wrong, they hold the record for being the most populated country in the world to not yet win an Olympic medal in their history and even in cricket which would be their primary sport, there's been barely any improvement. Perhaps their recent showings at U19 level shows us a glimpse of what's to come in the future and they might become a very good team in the next 10 years.

 

[bujhee kom]

One thing that surprises me is that their recent growth in economy isn't getting reflected in their performance in sports. India's performance in sports gradually improved and started winning more Olympic medals as the Indian economy grew in the 2000s and 2010s.

Bangladesh have even overtaken India in terms of gdp per capita after lagging behind both India and Pakistan for a long time, but that improvement in sports is yet to be shown. If I'm not wrong, they hold the record for being the most populated country in the world to not yet win an Olympic medal in their history and even in cricket which would be their primary sport, there's been barely any improvement. Perhaps their recent showings at U19 level shows us a glimpse of what's to come in the future and they might become a very good team in the next 10 years.

There is more money in Gulshan alone than in all of Pakistan or Sri Lanka. We will surpass them. Even India has no region as fine as upmarket Dhaka.

 

[Varun]

I think Bangladesh should swallow their pride and seek help from Pakistan, clearly the alliance with India hasn't benefited their cricket. Pakistani legendary fast bowlers and batsmen could coach Bangladeshi cricketers and bring them up to a decent level.

You not only had an alliance, but you had them as your territory for a long period of time. Clearly didn't leave much cricket infrastructure there when you left, as they took another 3 decades to become a legit cricket team, and haven't won anything of note a further 2 decades on.

 

[JibranAnsari]

As long as they keep making poor pitches , they will not be a competitive team. Their economy may get better but their team won't , 22 years of test cricket now and only 15 wins.

 

[Heisenberg111]

We are not there yet as a test side. However cricket needs money and we have it.
It is our loans keeping Lanka alive, and Pakistan is just a minnow insofar as the economy goes. India has fallen well behind.
Don't like us playing- don't count on our Taka.

Take it easy bro, No need to get riled up over threads like these. Its just harmless banter afterall.

 

[cricketerB94]

Bangladesh team was lacking the confidence and experience in this series. They should do the following things to improve their cricket:

1- Change the coaching staff. They do not look confident under this coaching staff for some reason.
2- Play regular cricket with Afghanistan, Zimbabwe and Ireland in away conditions.
3- Top order should have the players who can play the moving ball.
4- In LOIs, they need power hitters from their league cricket. So they need to improve the BPL (pitches quality, players selection, everything).

 

[Babeikh]

It shows how much pakistan cricket has regressed that you need to gloat against a bottom rank and inexperienced side like Bangladesh. They have played 100 odd games vs Pakistan's 500 odd games.
Their cricket structure might be falling in place because I see some very good cricketers although they have not learnt to score big. It takes time. I am sure their next gen of cricketers will be challenging top teams soon.

As for Pakistan they should perform against big teams and not compare against these teams.
Still relying on 35 year olds in batting and bowling and mocking at other teams

I don't think you can call Bangladesh an inexperienced side any more. That excuse washed for about 5-10 years max. It has been over 20 years now.

 

[JaDed]

We are not there yet as a test side. However cricket needs money and we have it.
It is our loans keeping Lanka alive, and Pakistan is just a minnow insofar as the economy goes. India has fallen well behind.
Don't like us playing- don't count on our Taka.

Sorry what )

 

[JaDed]

There is more money in Gulshan alone than in all of Pakistan or Sri Lanka. We will surpass them. Even India has no region as fine as upmarket Dhaka.

And you know all the Indian regions?

 

[silentkiller187]

we were being told Bangladesh were the 2nd best team in asia after the mighty india by our resident dramabazy experts. The problem is they haven't got the mentality or the patience for test cricket at the moment. You can have all the talent in the world but if your mindset is not up to scratch then you will only perform to about 40% max, looks like they are chasing the quick wins, i.e. t20, but even there they are starting to struggle and are being overtaken or will be by the likes of Afg, ireland etc.

 

[sweep_shot]

We are not there yet as a test side. However cricket needs money and we have it.
It is our loans keeping Lanka alive, and Pakistan is just a minnow insofar as the economy goes. India has fallen well behind.
Don't like us playing- don't count on our Taka.

This is a very ignorant post.

You are making other Bangladeshi posters look bad.

Money alone can't make you better in sports. There is a difference between BCB and Bangladesh as a state. BCB is currently a circus.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

We are not there yet as a test side. However cricket needs money and we have it.
It is our loans keeping Lanka alive, and Pakistan is just a minnow insofar as the economy goes. India has fallen well behind.
Don't like us playing- don't count on our Taka.

I like your post )

 

[sweep_shot]

I like your post )

There are some BD fans who are like this unfortunately. They think Bangladesh is #1 in everything. LOL.

This type of delusion is the reason why Bangladesh cricket is going downhill.

I miss early-00's when BD fans/players/board were not arrogant. There were only humility and hard work.

Bragging looks stupid when team is doing poorly.

 

[da_don]

i think its more of an attitude problem. If you see from the commentators to the players to the fans, they are not grounded. They all have an air of superiority complex. From Mushfiqirs nagin dance to ata ur rehnans commentary, they act like they are world beaters without showing much in their trophy cabinet to back it.To get better and compete at the world stage teams need to improve work ethics and have a level attitude.

 

[sweep_shot]

i think its more of an attitude problem. If you see from the commentators to the players to the fans, they are not grounded. They all have an air of superiority complex. From Mushfiqirs nagin dance to ata ur rehnans commentary, they act like they are world beaters without showing much in their trophy cabinet to back it.To get better and compete at the world stage teams need to improve work ethics and have a level attitude.

I totally agree with you. I have been raising this issue for a long time.

Number one problem is not Papon or BCB. Number one problem is the collective attitude.

Humility is missing. Other stuffs can't be fixed if attitude is not fixed first.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

We are not there yet as a test side. However cricket needs money and we have it.
It is our loans keeping Lanka alive, and Pakistan is just a minnow insofar as the economy goes. India has fallen well behind.
Don't like us playing- don't count on our Taka.

See you in 5 years after Bangladesh gets whitewashed by Papua New Guinea.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bangladesh players very rarely achieve absolute peaks in their trade. Shakib as an all rounder hit his peak. Other than that they all have a ceiling. Mushfiqur Rahim is ranked 19th now best 16th. That is his peak Let us compare him with one of the modern day success story. With poor first class record in no time got to his peak. Every country produces dud players. But in between the produce absolute gun players. That is where Bangladesh is lagging. SL had Aravinda, Roy dias, Wettimuny, Warnapura etc.

 

[PakLFC]

Bangladesh appear not be be taking Cricket to seriously. With such an attitude they deserve a proper spanking like they got. Losing some 12 wickets in a day shows how poor they are. Hope Pak does not play them again for at least the next two years. Fed up seeing Pak play these losers.

 

[zulfiqar]

They were doing well in ODI cricket just a few years ago and were beating other sides regularly. So I think that even though they took a step back in the last year or two, they can come back. Not good enough in tests for sure but I wouldn't even consider taking test status away!

 

[Giannis]

They were doing well in ODI cricket just a few years ago and were beating other sides regularly. So I think that even though they took a step back in the last year or two, they can come back. Not good enough in tests for sure but I wouldn't even consider taking test status away!

Only in their home, their record away has always been abysmal

 

[Joseph Gomes]

They were doing well in ODI cricket just a few years ago and were beating other sides regularly. So I think that even though they took a step back in the last year or two, they can come back. Not good enough in tests for sure but I wouldn't even consider taking test status away!

Test cricket is not an experimental format, regardless of my/your feelings about it. If Bangladesh doesn't take it seriously, they should be stripped of it.