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The Hypocrisy of Indian fans: They want Shubman Gill out of the Indian T20 team, but Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam are essential for Pakistan?

Further adding to OP

Indians fans were giving it a lot of yapp during Asia cup telling us that Babar and Rizwan are Pakistan’s necessity!

Now they are crying over Shubman Gill’s pathetic T20 batting!!
 
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Gill is under a lot of pressure as he is blocking the place of Samson and Jaiswal who can score at a much brisker pace than Gill.
Gill is technically more correct than both Jaiswal and Samson. But in T20, what matters is strike rate and scores between 30-50.

I still have hope for Gill. But not as an opener. He should be in the middle order and play the role that Kohli used to do.👍
 
gazza619 said:
Don’t make

yet another Rizbar thread. You don’t get tired?

And this thread is based on a lie anyway
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No!

I will not get tired until both get the hell out of T20!!

Jo karna hai karle!!!
 
ON a serious note there are certain criterias modern T20 cricketer must meet. GIll falls in most of the areas. Recent IPL showed how youngsters from next gen took the game to next level where as Gill is stuck in rotating strike taking single. Now that pressure is mounting he is not able to do even that. Statistcially many players are better than him. Samson scored 3 centuries in 4 matches. 2 in South Africa. There must be a dozens of players that can take his spot.
 
gazza619 said:
And this thread is based on a lie anyway
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What lie???

The only lie that was told was by you!

You lied to us that RizBar are the necessity of Pakistan’s T20 team!

You lied to us that there are 3 teams of players in KPK that would beat the current Pakistan team!

You got caught lying in the other thread calling Usman Khan’s keeping as horrendous when it was anything but that!

Don’t talk to me about lies!
 
Rana said:
Answer up!

@Devadwal @Rajdeep @jnaveen1980 @jeeteshssaxena @harshjoshi87 @Ab Fan @Local.Dada

Why should India be allowed to have a model that is essential to win T20 tournaments and big games…..

But Pakistan must be handicapped with anchors according to their viewing??
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Hamari tref se kisi ko bi khilao tumhari team , tumhare players. Still be will Thrashed you

But the problem is that we have better players to replace Gill, but your options are worse than Babar Azam.

#FarkHai

:klopp :kp
 
I think what Babar fans try to argue is Salman Ali Agha is just as bad. Agha and Babar run very close. When it comes to pakistan batting in T20 it is always a case of who is less mediocre. WHen it comes to Agha and Babar both are mediocre. Both need to be out. Not that others are far ahead. Duck man Saim is surviving due to bowling. Purely as a batsman he has no place either.Hasan, Haris so many single digits then a quick fire knock against weak opponent. Farhan is more boom or bust type player. Hence low strike rate. Too many holes. However pakistan lower order deserves some credit for masking all these flaws to some extent. Nawaz in particular.

2025 strike rates for pakistan

Farhan 133.62
Agha 115.31
Saim 129.11
Fakhar 127.68
Hasan 154.39
Md Haris 139.28
Md Nawaz 138.16
F Ashraf 141.77
Babar 114.44
 
India has unparalleled batting riches. Pakistan has empty cupboards. Not many batting options and choices in Pakistan. We saw how our batting line up faired in the Asia T20 Cup against Kuldeep, Axar, Chakrawarthy, just not good enough
 
Savak said:
India has unparalleled batting riches. Pakistan has empty cupboards. Not many batting options and choices in Pakistan. We saw how our batting line up faired in the Asia T20 Cup against Kuldeep, Axar, Chakrawarthy, just not good enough
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It’s not about the batting riches this and that!

It’s the bloody strategy to play T20 cricket in a NO NONSENSE manner! By nonsense I mean accumulators! You can’t be telling other teams to have one or two accumulators and that too knowing they do that bull…t as openers when you bloody well wouldn’t want it for yourself!

Stop being one of those Pakistan Kohli fanboy jokers!
 
In a cupboard full of accumulators, you have to pick the best accumulators a.k.a the tried and tested legendary duo RizBar 🔥
 
RexRex said:
In a cupboard full of accumulators, you have to pick the best accumulators a.k.a the tried and tested legendary duo RizBar 🔥
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What cupboard full of accumulators?

The ones who hit 220+ sixes in the year without Babar and Rizwan?

Or the ones who belted Bumrah, Kuldeep, Axar and Varun all around the park 🤡
 
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Sorry wrong logic. If Gill was Pakistani, he will walk into all 3 formats of Pak team as batsman and captain.

Rizwan is a lion-hearted cricketer. For a team like Pakistan whose issue has always been mental strength, you can’t drop the mentally strongest cricketer from Pak in the last decade. Also don’t think there is a better keeping-bat option in Pak. That’s my assessment as a pure cricket fan. No agenda.

When it comes to Babar, in ODIs and tests in terms of quality, Babar is head and shoulders the best all condition batsman in Pakistan. I do see a merit to the argument he doesn’t deserve a T20I slot though 👍
 
Savak said:
India has unparalleled batting riches. Pakistan has empty cupboards. Not many batting options and choices in Pakistan. We saw how our batting line up faired in the Asia T20 Cup against Kuldeep, Axar, Chakrawarthy, just not good enough
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Yes but is babar the solution to that? He’s the biggest bunny against spin!
 
Local.Dada said:
Sorry wrong logic. If Gill was Pakistani, he will walk into all 3 formats of Pak team as batsman and captain.

Rizwan is a lion-hearted cricketer. For a team like Pakistan whose issue has always been mental strength, you can’t drop the mentally strongest cricketer from Pak in the last decade. Also don’t think there is a better keeping-bat option in Pak. That’s my assessment as a pure cricket fan. No agenda.

When it comes to Babar, in ODIs and tests in terms of quality, Babar is head and shoulders the best all condition batsman in Pakistan. I do see a merit to the argument he doesn’t deserve a T20I slot though 👍
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Mentally strongest at what???

Guys like Cummins, Smith, Ponting, Inzimam etc are mentally tough

Being an absolute hoola hoop and stuck in your ways whilst everyone in the world is telling you that is wrong is not being mentally resilient
 
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We have Jaiswal who is better than Gill. In T20s, Samson is also better. We can look towards Tilak Verma as our anchor so don’t need anyone else.

Despite all the experience, Gill hasn’t yet delivered in big match yet for us and in no format. He played two WTC Finals and failed in both , one ODI WC where he failed including the Final, one CT Final failure and T20 remains his weakest format.
 
The only reason why Gill is playing T20I is "branding" (commercial reasons). Indian Corporates want a successor for Kohli and they see that in Gill (and the board obliges for that). If only performance and team results are in mind, then we will have a proper playing XI for all three formats and we will be doing much better in all formats!

For instance they tried to see Dhoni in Pant and wanted him to achieve in LOIs while he is someone like Laxman who prefers Tests more, and now he is spoiled in all formats! They even gave him captaincy responsibilities (especially in IPL) and wanted to make the most of his brand-value, but he is different from Dhoni, and it is better if he is left alone and let him enjoy his game, then he will be more impactful (bit like Sehwag).

Kohli & Rohit wanted to maintain their legacy (playing the purist-format of the game - Tests, they didn't want to quit it, but they had prioritized LOIs & IPL and modeled their game according to that... So they lost their technique & temparament for test cricket), and result - they not only spoiled their careers (they eventually were booted out of tests and that subsequently anyhow harmed their cricketing legacy & reputation, but still they are smiling because they are financially still strong!)

All these developments without doubt affected our team balance & team peformance! We lost hell lot of home tests, we lost (or on a brink of) losing Pant - a generational test player! Nobody cares (except true patriotic cricket fans) as long as their show run and they make money! Gill may continue to play T20s and it may keep affecting our performance and rhythm... Gill (a potential Test Great/Icon) may get diluted, overall he may not achieve the things which he is capable of... Lose-lose situation for everything (except financial gains!)

While Pakistan's case is different and I am not sure if they have such a wide pool of players to pick from... Rizwan & Babar were instrumental in that famous (and rare) triumph - 10 wickets victory against us and Fakhar's innings is still fresh in our memory in CT'17 Finals... And you guys keep reminding us and tease us! So if these players don't feature in the playing XI we will always be surprised (especially the ones who don't follow rest of Pakistani Cricket apart from when they play against us!)

Similarly even Pakistanis may be surprised when Kohli doesn't play for India as he has had lots of success against you! This is a typical kind of thinking by outsiders who don't have much knowledge about one's home! Still even some ex-commentators experts (international) may think that Kohli & Rohit are essential for Indian Test Cricket, and that's the reason why we are doing bad at the moment! But only we know that they are reason for our downfall and what damage they did by not taking proper decisions at proper time!

Overall I would say it is left to Pakistanis themselves to decide what they want instead of giving so much importance to our opinion! It is afterall your cricket & cricketers! You should decide and judge whats best for you and your interest!
 
Babar is the highest T20 run scorer in the history of International cricket. How dare you compare him to Gill?
 
Rana said:
Do I care if you think we do or not??!
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Honestly who cares what the Indian fans think about who Pakistan should select. Either you're an ignoramus or trying to be extremely clever with your agenda.
 
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I SUGGEST YOU GUYS TO STOP DERAILING THE THREAD WITH USUSAL NONSENSE AND IRRELEVANT STUFF...

READ THE TITLE AGAIN BEFORE YOU POST..
 
BCCI won’t give a damn and rightly removed Gill from T20 WC.
I don’t think the PCB has the guts to do that. Also, lack of reserves might push them to think about removing Babar and Rizwan.
 
If Gill played for Pakistan he’d have the highest sr in the team and be our most aggressive batsman.

Any batsman who both averages high in domestic and a high SR should be drafted into the PSL team and given a mountain of chances in a settled position. But only if they fulfil these two conditions. You can’t push in guys from domestic with poor records and hope they somehow outperform in internationals.

I’d rather give lots of chances to these guys who actually earn a spot. Then just cycling through lots of batsmen.

Saim and Usman really are the only names that stand out. Farhan too an extent who hasn’t made as much of a name in PSL but doing well in other domestic and has increased his sr there recently.

I’d back these guys. Regardless of technique or how they look at crease. I wouldn’t even pressurise them with competitors, ensure they won’t be dropped any time soon and try their best to play their natural game.

Farhan and Usman haven’t been given enough settled chances yet. Usman should be batting higher to do so in my opinion too, preferably opening.

Saim is a bit worrying as he has had more than enough chances and him constantly failing at opening is hurting the team. Either he has to start performing quick or drop down to middle order and let Usman open. He clearly has the ability but it’s a matter of whether he will do it in time for World Cup, as he’s still very young.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
BCCI won’t give a damn and rightly removed Gill from T20 WC.
I don’t think the PCB has the guts to do that. Also, lack of reserves might push them to think about removing Babar and Rizwan.
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Intense pressure in social media despite best PR efforts. They even spin narrative like 6 fan base against Gill lol.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Intense pressure in social media despite best PR efforts. They even spin narrative like 6 fan base against Gill lol.
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I pray Gill’s PR turn the direction of their firing line towards Babar Azam now.

It’s a travesty that Pakistan are taking a player like Babar to the T20 World Cup once again!
 
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ads101 said:
If Gill played for Pakistan he’d have the highest sr in the team and be our most aggressive batsman.
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Lol

If Gill played for Pakistan, he would be happily striking at 110-130. He wouldn’t even be a 140 strike rate batter because he knows he doesn’t have to push himself.

That’s the comfort these kind of players get from Pakistan media, coaches and journalists.

You want to speak hypothetically but you seem far off the reality of the situation!
 
Rana said:
I pray Gill’s PR turn the direction of their firing line towards Babar Azam now.

It’s a travesty that Pakistan are taking a player like Babar to the T20 World Cup once again!
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Most of the fans that criticized his shock selection recently are true Indian cricket fans. Not fans of any other players. Because India was going well until that point. Suddenly this comes in. Our team started looking more vulnerable. In Asia cup they played well below par due to that one move. Whole attitude changed. Having a wicket keeper as an enforcer at the top is such a luxury to have as it frees up a spot in the middle order. Thankfully no damage done .
 
Rana said:
Lol

If Gill played for Pakistan, he would be happily striking at 110-130. He wouldn’t even be a 140 strike rate batter because he knows he doesn’t have to push himself.

That’s the comfort these kind of players get from Pakistan media, coaches and journalists.

You want to speak hypothetically but you seem far off the reality of the situation!
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Actually Gill would have done better as he is actually good stroke player. He was under immense pressure to match what ABhishek ddi. He can easily start slow and finish with a strike rate of 140 consistently. He can easily escape from criticism. But when you play with a guy who is striking at nearly 200 you get exposed big time.
 
Rana said:
I pray Gill’s PR turn the direction of their firing line towards Babar Azam now.

It’s a travesty that Pakistan are taking a player like Babar to the T20 World Cup once again!
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I'm gill biggest fan but never wanted him to Play in T20 ahead of jaiswal, Samson etc.

Personal agenda is only suitable for people like you who praised a pathetic captain and an opener who scored less than 112 strike rate in the Asia Cup.

:klopp :kp
 
Surya Kumar still keeping his captaincy and place despite being a complete non performer across the last 25-30 matches.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Actually Gill would have done better as he is actually good stroke player.
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Even if he is, it’s Pakistan cricket environment and how strong the PR is. They want runs, not impact. Impact is overrated in Pakistan. What matters is milestone. Gill will know all he has to do is get a milestone. Let the PR handle the rest.

I can assure you, in Pakistan a guy like Phil Salt will not last more than 2 PSLs if he’s left to do what he must in that environment!
 
What was the minimum strike rate set by Shahid Afridi when he became chief selector for a bit? He said you have to have a minimum strike rate of 130 on Pakistan pitches :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
India has enough firepower so they didn't cared about Gill , unlike Pakistan who are yet to find a middle ground between anchors, duds and hacks :kami :ifarhat :yk
 
Rana said:
Answer up!

@Devadwal @Rajdeep @jnaveen1980 @jeeteshssaxena @harshjoshi87 @Ab Fan @Local.Dada

Why should India be allowed to have a model that is essential to win T20 tournaments and big games…..

But Pakistan must be handicapped with anchors according to their viewing??
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This idiot doesn't know that Shubman got axed from the side due to not scoring a single 50 not lower SR. Babar has no such issues, he is an integral part of T20i team and might captain the team again in future when parchis get to their places.
 
HOw does pakistan select team? INdia used SMAT to bring back Isan Kishan into the squad. Does Pakistan PSL to select people? DO Pakistan players replicate success in internationals?

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