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Yes we are in that time again. The blessing in disguise season:srini

India should be disappointed very much after crashing out of the group stages in the WT20. It's a very disappointing outcome no matter which way you look at it. But probably the only positive of this outcome is that this group stage exit will definitely put Kohli's place as the ODI captain in deep jeopardy. Already I'm reading reports of Rohit taking over as both the T20 and ODI captain and BCCI generally leaks unconfirmed reports to the media before it takes its decisions.

Kohli has been our worst ever captain in terms of winning ICC tournaments and this has been particularly painful after the era of Dhoni who was our best ever captain in our cricket history. Rohit will likely take over the captaincy role and he will definitely be a better captain than Kohli as he's tactically much better.

Yes this has been a disaster, but India crashing out of the group stage in the bigger world cup at home in 2 years time would be an absolute nightmare and Kohli will probably lead India to a defeat against Pakistan at home as well if he remains as the captain. Who knows, Kohli being relieved of captaincy role might even lead to an improvement in his LOI form. So maybe there's a silver lining in the grey clouds afterall:narine
 
Will the new captain make much of a difference?

I guess the question of Indian players playing in T20 leagues around the world is bound to come up also.
 
Keeping in mind the 2023 world cup I do actually think this is a blessing in disguise. Hopefully Kohli gets the boot as Odi skipper as well. If we would have reached the semi's or final here I have no doubt kohli would have continued as the odi skipper.
I guess Rohit will take over for a 1.5 year period all the way till the 2023 world Cup post which he will retire.
 
Saj said:
Will the new captain make much of a difference?

I guess the question of Indian players playing in T20 leagues around the world is bound to come up also.
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I really don't get why we are unable to replicate the English model of going hard from ball one, and keep going irrespective of losing wickets. I believe we have enough talent to do that but our conservative mindset is holding us back.
 
street cricketer said:
Yes we are in that time again. The blessing in disguise season:srini

India should be disappointed very much after crashing out of the group stages in the WT20. It's a very disappointing outcome no matter which way you look at it. But probably the only positive of this outcome is that this group stage exit will definitely put Kohli's place as the ODI captain in deep jeopardy. Already I'm reading reports of Rohit taking over as both the T20 and ODI captain and BCCI generally leaks unconfirmed reports to the media before it takes its decisions.

Kohli has been our worst ever captain in terms of winning ICC tournaments and this has been particularly painful after the era of Dhoni who was our best ever captain in our cricket history. Rohit will likely take over the captaincy role and he will definitely be a better captain than Kohli as he's tactically much better.

Yes this has been a disaster, but India crashing out of the group stage in the bigger world cup at home in 2 years time would be an absolute nightmare and Kohli will probably lead India to a defeat against Pakistan at home as well if he remains as the captain. Who knows, Kohli being relieved of captaincy role might even lead to an improvement in his LOI form. So maybe there's a silver lining in the grey clouds afterall:narine
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This is actually what most Indian fans are saying

Kohli will finally get sacked as captain ( something which should have happened after 2019 WC )
 
Saj said:
Will the new captain make much of a difference?

I guess the question of Indian players playing in T20 leagues around the world is bound to come up also.
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Kohli's captaincy and selection blunders are far bigger issues

No way Bhuvaneshwar and Hardik Pandya should have been selected. Especially when you have so any promising players around
 
Both Rohit and Kohl tookover as IPL captains in 2013

Rohit won a staggering 5 IPLs as captain. Kohli has Zero. That tells you why India is struggling in ICC events

Captaincy is a huge factor in T20 and ODI - in tests you can get away with lousy captaincy if you have team strength
 
Don't know about you but as a Pakistani, it's a blessing without disguise.

This bunch of over-rated players deserve to be put in their place time to time.
 
NishanKonar said:
Both Rohit and Kohl tookover as IPL captains in 2013

Rohit won a staggering 5 IPLs as captain. Kohli has Zero. That tells you why India is struggling in ICC events

Captaincy is a huge factor in T20 and ODI - in tests you can get away with lousy captaincy if you have team strength
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It's not about the captain.
A top order of Rohit, Rahul and Kohli not winning any T20 trophy.
Less said about bowlers like Shami, Thakur, Pandya the better.
 
street cricketer said:
Yes we are in that time again. The blessing in disguise season:srini

India should be disappointed very much after crashing out of the group stages in the WT20. It's a very disappointing outcome no matter which way you look at it. But probably the only positive of this outcome is that this group stage exit will definitely put Kohli's place as the ODI captain in deep jeopardy. Already I'm reading reports of Rohit taking over as both the T20 and ODI captain and BCCI generally leaks unconfirmed reports to the media before it takes its decisions.

Kohli has been our worst ever captain in terms of winning ICC tournaments and this has been particularly painful after the era of Dhoni who was our best ever captain in our cricket history. Rohit will likely take over the captaincy role and he will definitely be a better captain than Kohli as he's tactically much better.

Yes this has been a disaster, but India crashing out of the group stage in the bigger world cup at home in 2 years time would be an absolute nightmare and Kohli will probably lead India to a defeat against Pakistan at home as well if he remains as the captain. Who knows, Kohli being relieved of captaincy role might even lead to an improvement in his LOI form. So maybe there's a silver lining in the grey clouds afterall:narine
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Yes, Kohli is not a great LOC captain but still a great batsman and India needs him for another 5 years . Taking him off the burden of captaincy and he will be very productive, just like Tendulkar.
 
India went to the tournament with a few out of form players. E.g: Rohit, Kohli, Ishan, SKY, Hardik, Bhuvi.
Indian selectors should have shown faith in players like Ruthuraj, Avesh, etc. This exit will force them to try out new players in the coming months.
 
moghul said:
Yes, Kohli is not a great LOC captain but still a great batsman and India needs him for another 5 years . Taking him off the burden of captaincy and he will be very productive, just like Tendulkar.
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Kohli should be relieved off captaincy with immediate effect and there is no requirement of him in T20's as a player also.
In odi's he can continue as a player only. In tests he is fine as a captain.
 
India is still a very strong team. Kohli's captaincy in white ball cricket has been quite underwhelming though.

Also I really do not understand why the Indian team plays in a pretty straight forward conservative fashion in T20 cricket. They have a lot of explosive fire power throughout their batting order. They should go hell for leather. At the end of the day it is T20 cricket. Legacies are not defined in this format. They should really take this format easy (I mean without any pressure) and simply go for it.
 
I would add to the blessing of Kohli no longer being white-ball captain:

1. Being able to watch the rest of the tournament like true cricket fans without tension.
2. Being able to applaud the best team that wins the WC.
3. Enjoying some of the losses.

So many blessings :Dah
 
leonidas_alexandar said:
Also I really do not understand why the Indian team plays in a pretty straight forward conservative fashion in T20 cricket. They have a lot of explosive fire power throughout their batting order. They should go hell for leather. At the end of the day it is T20 cricket. Legacies are not defined in this format. They should really take this format easy (I mean without any pressure) and simply go for it.
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Because our top 2/3 bats play in a similar fashion. Kohli in fact is a big liability in the T20s for a while now. His run-a-ball innings aren't of any use in T20 cricket.

Also, we have players like Pandya and Jadeja as our lower order hitters which is not good enough in this day and age. Also, Pant has simply failed to get going. Too many issues with our batting.

Also, if we keep playing the likes of Shami & Bhuvi as our T20 bowlers, we'll get the kind of results we're getting.
 
In fact, if Kohli has any shame left, he should hang his boots as a T20 player and concentrate on tests & ODIs.

T20 isn't his format any longer. But knowing him and his Himalayan-sized ego, this isn't going to happen.
 
For a change the pardosi's are opening this thread, lolz well no pun intended but here is your Mouka guys...
 
battler said:
I really don't get why we are unable to replicate the English model of going hard from ball one, and keep going irrespective of losing wickets. I believe we have enough talent to do that but our conservative mindset is holding us back.
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No we don't have enough talent.

Who is our Livingstone like power hitter? We are playing half fit Pandya followed by Jadeja who is no Moeen Ali in this format. Eng have Jordan at 9
 
Saj said:
Will the new captain make much of a difference?

I guess the question of Indian players playing in T20 leagues around the world is bound to come up also.
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Indian players already play too much cricket as it is. The last thing they need to do is to play more cricket.

The thing is, India has not just been stumbling in the WT20s, it has also been failing in the ODI WC, CT and even in the Test championship, basically anything that involves winning a trophy. Kohli is the example of a general who keeps losing wars and yet keeps his place in the hope that he'll lead the troops to victory in the next war. In any other team and if it was any other player than Kohli, he would have got sacked 3 years ago. It's no coincidence that RCB has failed to win a single trophy in the IPL despite having the biggest starts in the game. The only problem is no one is ready to tell Kohli he is a terrible captain.

I do think Kohli can remain as the captain in Test cricket as Test captaincy doesn't need as much tactical skills as the shorter formats do. But in LOIs, he definitely needs to go.
 
MP2011 said:
Safe to say we won't win any ICC trophy under Kohli? Which is a shame really.
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I hope his ODI captaincy is gone too else no chance in 2023 as well.

Good test skipper but not tactically good in LOIs
 
India have a lot to look forward to. I personally would make Pandya captain. Best player in that team and the best all-rounder in the world.
 
Saurav said:
No we don't have enough talent.

Who is our Livingstone like power hitter? We are playing half fit Pandya followed by Jadeja who is no Moeen Ali in this format. Eng have Jordan at 9
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Rahul
Gaikwad
Kishan
SKY
Pant
Pandya

I think this is a pretty explosive top 6. They may not be power hitters in the ball park of a Russel or a Livingstone but they can pretty much hit sixes at will. Jaiswal is pretty good as well.
We really need to have a change in mindset you will see these players and many more coming through
 
Mobashir said:
It's not about the captain.
A top order of Rohit, Rahul and Kohli not winning any T20 trophy.
Less said about bowlers like Shami, Thakur, Pandya the better.
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Finally someone calling a spade a spade.

Is it Kohlis fault whole batting lineup failed, only to show up to minnow bash Scotland? Is it Kohlis fault all the bowlers are mediocre except bumrah? And No, IPL wicket takers like harshal Patel and avesh Khan are not world beaters.

Tired of this indian team being overhyped to the moon with little to show. India is like the kid who does all the homework, studies the whole syllabus and becomes the teachers favorite student, only to "underperform" in the final exam. End result is still zero.
 
I think KL Rahul will get the LOI captaincy instead of Rohit.
Also KL Rahul is a student of Dravid since u19 levels I guess.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
I think KL Rahul will get the LOI captaincy instead of Rohit.
Also KL Rahul is a student of Dravid since u19 levels I guess.
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He is a terrible captain just like Kohli. India don't have too many captaincy options currently. I think Rohit should manage till 2023 world Cup and probably groom Sky or Pant for captaincy
 
Saj said:
Will the new captain make much of a difference?

I guess the question of Indian players playing in T20 leagues around the world is bound to come up also.
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The second question should come up.

IPL scenarios aren't enough to prepare young players for the international level. Playing in different parts of the world means they understand other bowlers, gain experience, and adapt to different roles given to them.

I really think BCCI should consider that.
 
I think India made this mistake in CT 2017 as well and now in T20 WC. They have a top heavy batting order and heavily reliant on the top three.


If they face a bowler with wind in his sails (Amir in 2017, Shaheen in 2021) who blows away their top order then India is always behind the game. I don't think changing the captain would make any difference as in both crucial games the batsmen didn't put enough runs on the board to challenge the opposition. I also don't see any other natural captains in the side.
 
Maybe some of the Indian players need to play in the PSL to improve their T20 play?
 
Saj said:
Maybe some of the Indian players need to play in the PSL to improve their T20 play?
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I don't think it will benefit a lot.westindies player play everywhere but still they were lacklustre.none of Australian played any other league apart from ipl still they performed better than us same can be said for England except few players.
 
Syed1 said:
I think India made this mistake in CT 2017 as well and now in T20 WC. They have a top heavy batting order and heavily reliant on the top three.


If they face a bowler with wind in his sails (Amir in 2017, Shaheen in 2021) who blows away their top order then India is always behind the game. I don't think changing the captain would make any difference as in both crucial games the batsmen didn't put enough runs on the board to challenge the opposition. I also don't see any other natural captains in the side.
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Excellent point, but I also think India always assumes they are going to win a tournament because they have few world class batsmen. They are bound to fail sometimes. bowling wins tournaments.
 
battler said:
Rahul
Gaikwad
Kishan
SKY
Pant
Pandya

I think this is a pretty explosive top 6. They may not be power hitters in the ball park of a Russel or a Livingstone but they can pretty much hit sixes at will. Jaiswal is pretty good as well.
We really need to have a change in mindset you will see these players and many more coming through
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Really .... and you will end up like west indies.
 
battler said:
Rahul
Gaikwad
Kishan
SKY
Pant
Pandya

I think this is a pretty explosive top 6. They may not be power hitters in the ball park of a Russel or a Livingstone but they can pretty much hit sixes at will. Jaiswal is pretty good as well.
We really need to have a change in mindset you will see these players and many more coming through
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Rahul is a slow starter even in IPL. Is a nervous wreck in important games.
Gaikwad also builds and then hits after a start
All others are good for flat tracks but can't adjust when its slightly tougher.

More importantly there is no depth at 7-9 which forces top 6 to bat conservatively lest they be bowled out before 20 overs
 
battler said:
I really don't get why we are unable to replicate the English model of going hard from ball one, and keep going irrespective of losing wickets. I believe we have enough talent to do that but our conservative mindset is holding us back.
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doesnt work against quality bowling side.
 
Saurav said:
Rahul is a slow starter even in IPL. Is a nervous wreck in important games.
Gaikwad also builds and then hits after a start
All others are good for flat tracks but can't adjust when its slightly tougher.

More importantly there is no depth at 7-9 which forces top 6 to bat conservatively lest they be bowled out before 20 overs
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Rahul is a slow starter in IPL by choice not like Rohit who is by compulsion. Gaikwad though is a slow starter.
 
street cricketer said:
Yes we are in that time again. The blessing in disguise season:srini

India should be disappointed very much after crashing out of the group stages in the WT20. It's a very disappointing outcome no matter which way you look at it. But probably the only positive of this outcome is that this group stage exit will definitely put Kohli's place as the ODI captain in deep jeopardy. Already I'm reading reports of Rohit taking over as both the T20 and ODI captain and BCCI generally leaks unconfirmed reports to the media before it takes its decisions.

Kohli has been our worst ever captain in terms of winning ICC tournaments and this has been particularly painful after the era of Dhoni who was our best ever captain in our cricket history. Rohit will likely take over the captaincy role and he will definitely be a better captain than Kohli as he's tactically much better.

Yes this has been a disaster, but India crashing out of the group stage in the bigger world cup at home in 2 years time would be an absolute nightmare and Kohli will probably lead India to a defeat against Pakistan at home as well if he remains as the captain. Who knows, Kohli being relieved of captaincy role might even lead to an improvement in his LOI form. So maybe there's a silver lining in the grey clouds afterall:narine
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India underestimated its opposition and paid the price. Simple.
 
tauseef_mahmood said:
India underestimated its opposition and paid the price. Simple.
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I don't think they can underestimate any team after loosing every major tournament after being favourites in final and semifinals
2014 T20 WC -india was favourite.won all matches untill final.
2015 wc-lost semifinals.here we were no favourites but still we topped our group and were unbeated untill SF
2016 t20wc-semifinal here again they faltered after being home team
2017 champions trophy-heavy favourites but succumbed to pressure
2019 wc-again faltered after being the top team in group stage
 
Syed1 said:
I think India made this mistake in CT 2017 as well and now in T20 WC. They have a top heavy batting order and heavily reliant on the top three.


If they face a bowler with wind in his sails (Amir in 2017, Shaheen in 2021) who blows away their top order then India is always behind the game. I don't think changing the captain would make any difference as in both crucial games the batsmen didn't put enough runs on the board to challenge the opposition. I also don't see any other natural captains in the side.
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It was upto Kohli/Shastri to design the playing XI and batting order so that this doesn't happen again.

2019 ODI WC was even more disappointing with the likes of Dinesh Karthik, Vijay Shankar and Kedar Jadhav making up the middle order and KL Rahul/Pant not given enough games to get used to their respective roles in ODIs...fans already knew what to expect in a crunch match if top order fails.

While Kohli can't be completely blamed for the failure of certain individual players, it has often happened in the IPL that a player suddenly starts performing well after leaving Kohli's team. So, it is also about the captain making the player feel comfortable, giving him enough chances and defining his role properly that can make a player punch above his weight under a particular captain/coach.
 
After getting beaten by underdogs in major tournament only shameless can underestimate any opponent
 
NishanKonar said:
Both Rohit and Kohl tookover as IPL captains in 2013

Rohit won a staggering 5 IPLs as captain. Kohli has Zero. That tells you why India is struggling in ICC events

Captaincy is a huge factor in T20 and ODI - in tests you can get away with lousy captaincy if you have team strength
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Rohit has captained significantly better IPL sides so it’s not a straight shootout.
 
Cyclotron said:
I don't think they can underestimate any team after loosing every major tournament after being favourites in final and semifinals
2014 T20 WC -india was favourite.won all matches untill final.
2015 wc-lost semifinals.here we were no favourites but still we topped our group and were unbeated untill SF
2016 t20wc-semifinal here again they faltered after being home team
2017 champions trophy-heavy favourites but succumbed to pressure
2019 wc-again faltered after being the top team in group stage
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The only factual thing is you failed every time. The favorite thing, and best team is the overrating you guys do of your team.
 
Saurav said:
Rahul is a slow starter even in IPL. Is a nervous wreck in important games.
Gaikwad also builds and then hits after a start
All others are good for flat tracks but can't adjust when its slightly tougher.

More importantly there is no depth at 7-9 which forces top 6 to bat conservatively lest they be bowled out before 20 overs
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Add in Venky Iyer as well. Thakur is a poor t20 bowler otherwise he would have added depth as well. Plus role of anchor in a team is over rated. Buttler is the prototype of the perfect t20 player. Who can build when he wants and go berserk at will as well.
I feel Rahul can do that job for us but he needs to mentally toughen up.
 
Should have been replaced ages ago Kohli with Rohit. For a team which were the dominant force for 10 years they should have won far more with Kohli. Perhaps it's just bad luck, but I would have taken the risk with Rohit. Now it feels too late. Both Rohit and Kohli are mid 30s now, they could lose form soon. Messing around with captaincy just feels too much bother now. Need to be looking for the next younger captain to take over after Kohli, which I don't know, no one stands out.

England will likely be the dominant force in LOI for the next 5 years or so. Their power batting is on another level. India aren't going to be the favourites in tournaments anymore. This was an absolute golden chance for India to win something given the conditions. They won't get many more chances with Kohli and Rohit and the prime of the powers, and the gap between England and the rest seems to be widening, it really shocked me this tournament how big it is.
 
India can pick two teams problem is they picked the wrong one for this tournament :)

Joking aside, Apart from the first two games, India weren't really tested.
I did say this was the group of death, who knows they may have qualified from the other group as teams were taking points from each other.

I do think it's time for a change or captaincy and to blood a couple of fast bowlers into the team.
Maybe start taking international T20's a little more seriously
 
How tables have turned
We normally see these threads on Pakistan after every group stage exit :))
 
I don't agree with such theories. There's no blessing in disguise for any team if they get knocked out of a global event before the semi-finals. I don't see any positives in it at all because there's no guarantee that India are winning the next World Cup. Of course, on the contrary, what can happen is that one of the other four to five teams might end up winning that too. Sports is far more simpler than what we sometimes make it out to be. India doing well here would've actually given the players a boost and much confidence to the players for the future ahead.
 
Nothing is blessing in disguise .we played poor cricket so we are out of tournament .these same player are world class ,Two bad day can't change that fact .yes we need to play more aggressive Brand of cricket.
 
One thing is for sure, our T20 is surely outdated in the context of today's T20 cricket. You just can't play with so much fear and hope to win against good T20 sides. They'll eat you alive as first Pakistan and then Kiwis showed in ample measure.
 
How are you rating Kohli as your worst ever LOI captain in terms of winning ICC trophies when he has only captained in 3? 1 wc, 1 wt20 and 1 CT and even in that you got to one final and one semi.
India failed to qualify for semis under Dhoni in 2009(once in wt20, once in CT), 2010 and 2012 wt20 under Dhoni. And reached semis twice and a final once in 2014, 2015 and 2016 respectively. He did win 1 WC, 1 wt20 and 1 CT. Dhoni failed 7 times out of 10 times as well.

Although I do agree that his captaincy in LOIs(especially) isn't that clutch when you take into account the selections, batting order and tactics.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
How are you rating Kohli as your worst ever LOI captain in terms of winning ICC trophies when he has only captained in 3? 1 wc, 1 wt20 and 1 CT and even in that you got to one final and one semi.
India failed to qualify for semis under Dhoni in 2009(once in wt20, once in CT), 2010 and 2012 wt20 under Dhoni. And reached semis twice and a final once in 2014, 2015 and 2016 respectively. He did win 1 WC, 1 wt20 and 1 CT. Dhoni failed 7 times out of 10 times as well.

Although I do agree that his captaincy in LOIs(especially) isn't that clutch when you take into account the selections, batting order and tactics.
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Its just more comforting for fans to blame it on Kohli because this allows them to live in the bubble that India is actually a good team. The fact of the matter is - India is an average team. If anything, they are bilateral bullies. The day India, and particularly Indian fans accept this, India will start improving. Right now the blame is on Kohli, a few years ago it was on Dhoni, in a few years it will be on Rohit. Blaming your captains to shy away from the fact that you are an average to a below average team, dare I say.

At least that is how I would label any team hoping to qualify through an Afghan upset against NZ.

Sure, in Tests, team India has done well but even then, New Zealand did beat them pretty badly in a neutral venue. The fact of the matter is - India as a team is average.
 
battler said:
Rahul
Gaikwad
Kishan
SKY
Pant
Pandya

I think this is a pretty explosive top 6. They may not be power hitters in the ball park of a Russel or a Livingstone but they can pretty much hit sixes at will. Jaiswal is pretty good as well.
We really need to have a change in mindset you will see these players and many more coming through
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This is again an IPL XI. Even discluding the fact that IPL is fun cricket without the pressure of a whole nation, all these players play for stacked MI or CSK teams with winning culture. How are they gona translate that to playing for their country?

Putting in a bunch of inezperienced IPL stars is a recipe for disaster. Cricket is not played on paper .
 
MP2011 said:
One thing is for sure, our T20 is surely outdated in the context of today's T20 cricket. You just can't play with so much fear and hope to win against good T20 sides. They'll eat you alive as first Pakistan and then Kiwis showed in ample measure.
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Too much tuk tuk has crept into India's t20 strategy. No doubt this is due to the influence of Kohli and Dhoni in the mangement. Both need to be kicked out of the white ball leadership.
 
Pakistan's success is a bigger blessing in disguise. Indian efforts to marginalise and try to finish Pakistan have been made to look short sighted and self-defeating. As the big player in Asia, they should be looking at inclusive strategy rather than isolation. India should feel confident they can dominate an open market, but for some reason they don't.
 
It's the conditions and the inability to nail our matchups. This team beat a full strength England in both white ball series not too long ago.
 
India considers IPL to be bigger than World Cup.

As such the topic of this thread is not relevant.
 
Perhaps the team is overrated overall in tests they are competitive everywhere but in limited overs weaknesses are regularly exposed in WCs.
While some fans are wanting an Australia like team of the past the reality is the team is decent but not good enough to be a dominant one.
 
It is no blessing at all if you ask most Indian fans. Embarrassing for sure not even making it to the semi's, now India will ne counted with Namibia, Scotland and Afghanistan in this format. The IPL never was or will be bigger then the World Cup! There is no substitute for being called "World Champions".
 
India being the advertisers darling had to play only day night games in Dubai international stadium..

With kohli losing all the tosses, opposition teams were already on front foot. Chasing is the deal in t20 games especially in this stadium.

I know most want to ignore the evitable reason but it does not matter now really.
Time to regroup and get better.
 
I think they start fresh and make Shardul Thakur the captain. he can be a good all-rounder. imagine having a team with allrounders like these nine. Add just Kohli and Rohit as specialist batsmen. they will be nightmares. For others.

Venkatesh Iyer
Hardik pandya
krunal Pandya
Shivam Dube
Rahul Tewatia
vijay sankar
Shardul Thakur (c)
Washington shundar
Axar Patel
 
ExpressPacer said:
Its just more comforting for fans to blame it on Kohli because this allows them to live in the bubble that India is actually a good team. The fact of the matter is - India is an average team. If anything, they are bilateral bullies. The day India, and particularly Indian fans accept this, India will start improving. Right now the blame is on Kohli, a few years ago it was on Dhoni, in a few years it will be on Rohit. Blaming your captains to shy away from the fact that you are an average to a below average team, dare I say.

At least that is how I would label any team hoping to qualify through an Afghan upset against NZ.

Sure, in Tests, team India has done well but even then, New Zealand did beat them pretty badly in a neutral venue. The fact of the matter is - India as a team is average.
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Who said the team we played in this world cup is a world beater team? It is an average t20 team. A top heavy team in batting. If top order clicks all is well. If not we are screwed. We selected Shami and bhuvi who were average in IPL too. Shami has always been a poor t20 bowler. Overall we do have better players for t20 but kohli don't have vision to try them and nurture them for future. Name one young player who has nurtured under his backing. Awful captain.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Easy to blame it on Kohli and not accept that India is an average team.
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If India is an average team then that is also on Kohli.

He enjoyed power, far more than any other Indian captain in Indian cricket history. That we were still miserable under him despite having all the resources at our disposal says how pathetic LoI captain and team selector he is.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Sure, in Tests, team India has done well but even then, New Zealand did beat them pretty badly in a neutral venue. The fact of the matter is - India as a team is average.
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Repeating a lie thousand times won't make it truth. England is as neutral for both teams as subcontinent is for both of them.
 
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