The ICC T20 World Cup exit is a blessing in disguise for the Indian team

[ExpressPacer]

Who said the team we played in this world cup is a world beater team? It is an average t20 team. A top heavy team in batting. If top order clicks all is well. If not we are screwed. We selected Shami and bhuvi who were average in IPL too. Shami has always been a poor t20 bowler. Overall we do have better players for t20 but kohli don't have vision to try them and nurture them for future. Name one young player who has nurtured under his backing. Awful captain.

I disagree. Team India was playing the best team they had, as was every other team. No need to come up with pathetic excuses - these were the stars of the IPL and they failed miserably when it mattered. Let’s see if they can do any better next time around but I doubt it. Mediocre teams don’t become world beaters in one year.

 

[ExpressPacer]

If India is an average team then that is also on Kohli.

He enjoyed power, far more than any other Indian captain in Indian cricket history. That we were still miserable under him despite having all the resources at our disposal says how pathetic LoI captain and team selector he is.

Blaming the mediocrity of an entire team on one man is absurd. I am glad that you admit that the team is mediocre, however, you will be disappointed if you think this mediocrity will subside when Kohli is no longer captain.

This mediocrity will persist even when Rohit Sharma is captain. This mediocrity will persist even if anyone else is the captain. A good captain can make small differences but if the whole team is mediocre then a good captain will not be able to make much of a difference.

The way India got mauled by Pakistan and the way they were defeated by NZ, I seriously don’t think the exclusion or removal from captaincy of Kohli will make much of a difference. In fact, if not for Kohli, India’s defeat to Pakistan would have been even more embarrassing, as he gave you a respectable total.

 

[dani2k]

Good one OP

Fair game too for all the "Mauka" provocations you had to endure.

Enjoy your time under the Sun and best wishes for the knockouts.

 

[Giannis]

Lol I don't buy the dew and toss excuse. Pakistan would've won even if they batted first.

 

[pillionrider]

I don't think I could bear another semi-final or final loss under Kohli. This is truly a blessing.

Semi or final losses really hurt

 

[Cyclotron]

I disagree. Team India was playing the best team they had, as was every other team. No need to come up with pathetic excuses - these were the stars of the IPL and they failed miserably when it mattered. Let’s see if they can do any better next time around but I doubt it. Mediocre teams don’t become world beaters in one year.

Most players in the team were out of form in ipl.They should have probably picked some of performing player in ipl.

 

[Pollack]

Rahul is a slow starter even in IPL. Is a nervous wreck in important games.
Gaikwad also builds and then hits after a start
All others are good for flat tracks but can't adjust when its slightly tougher.

More importantly there is no depth at 7-9 which forces top 6 to bat conservatively lest they be bowled out before 20 overs

I disagree. Team India was playing the best team they had, as was every other team. No need to come up with pathetic excuses - these were the stars of the IPL and they failed miserably when it mattered. Let’s see if they can do any better next time around but I doubt it. Mediocre teams don’t become world beaters in one year.

Disagree this is an average t20 team. Play same team in ODI and it will be a good team. That's the problem. For ODis we need players who are hungry to do well and energetic. Rohit, kohli, Shami, bhuvi, Ashwin, Jadeja all are pretty satisfied performing in IPL good or bad money is always there. No incentive to do well for Team India.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Most players in the team were out of form in ipl.They should have probably picked some of performing player in ipl.

Sure - but that is true for every team. Every team stuck with experienced players, even if they weren’t performing, over “in-form” domestic players. Pakistan for example stuck with Asif Ali over Iftikhar even though the former has consistently averaged under 10 whereas the latter was in the form of his life and won his team the tournament.

This proves India’s mediocrity. Persisting with experienced players is not unique to India and not the reason for their failure. Every team backs their experienced players.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Disagree this is an average t20 team. Play same team in ODI and it will be a good team. That's the problem. For ODis we need players who are hungry to do well and energetic. Rohit, kohli, Shami, bhuvi, Ashwin, Jadeja all are pretty satisfied performing in IPL good or bad money is always there. No incentive to do well for Team India.

Agreed. India needs to revamp their structure. IPL is ruining Indian cricket because hacks are too used to playing average bowlers on flat wickets. As soon as there is a good bowler in a difficult pitch in a big game, they get found out.

Your batsmen are not “out of form”. They just can’t play quality bowling on good pitches. Otherwise they wouldn’t have demolished Scotland and Afghanistan. They aren’t out of form - this is just their ceiling.

 

[globalcitizen]

Lol I don't buy the dew and toss excuse. Pakistan would've won even if they batted first.

No team has chased in this competition against good teams and won in Dubai internationalstadium. look at match Australia against England, Australia failed to put bat and ball.

You can ignore the truth but teams will suffer in the semis if they lose the toss. Let's see what you will say then.
Pakistan was lucky to win toss against india,nz
Nz was lucky to win toss against india
India loss all tosses against good teams.

 

[globalcitizen]

Agreed. India needs to revamp their structure. IPL is ruining Indian cricket because hacks are too used to playing average bowlers on flat wickets. As soon as there is a good bowler in a difficult pitch in a big game, they get found out.

Your batsmen are not “out of form”. They just can’t play quality bowling on good pitches. Otherwise they wouldn’t have demolished Scotland and Afghanistan. They aren’t out of form - this is just their ceiling.

We just have to wait 1 game to see the truth. See the result if toss is lost.. then we will talk about structures and quality of batsmen

 

[cricketjoshila]

The 2007 WC exit brought a big change in the Indian team. Similar changes can be expected now.

Virat and his brand of activism with the team where he literally was doing Bollywood like ads in everything has to go out.

 

[Cyclotron]

Sure - but that is true for every team. Every team stuck with experienced players, even if they weren’t performing, over “in-form” domestic players. Pakistan for example stuck with Asif Ali over Iftikhar even though the former has consistently averaged under 10 whereas the latter was in the form of his life and won his team the tournament.

This proves India’s mediocrity. Persisting with experienced players is not unique to India and not the reason for their failure. Every team backs their experienced players.

I don't think our team is mediocre our team is very good better than some of the semifinalist.one-two fluke loss can happen to any team.this team has beaten Australia and England at their home which is luxury for some team as they have even lost from C-D England/Australian team full of debutant.
This format is full of uncertainty as very mediocre can also here fluke win here and in short time they will get back to their usual self.In this format one can turn into world beating side in couple of game but that is illusion as generally things get cleared up in matters of games for example Australia who lost to Bangladesh,NZ,India in bilaterals but are semifinalist now and other example is well known

 

[ExpressPacer]

I don't think our team is mediocre our team is very good better than some of the semifinalist.one-two fluke loss can happen to any team.this team has beaten Australia and England at their home which is luxury for some team as they have even lost from C-D England/Australian team full of debutant.
This format is full of uncertainty as very mediocre can also here fluke win here and in short time they will get back to their usual self.In this format one can turn into world beating side in couple of game but that is illusion as generally things get cleared up in matters of games for example Australia who lost to Bangladesh,NZ,India in bilaterals but are semifinalist now and other example is well known

Exactly my point. India is a bilateral bully. Couldn't even turn up in Tests when it was a tournament-esque match that mattered. Overhyped and rightly brought back down to Earth.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Easy to blame it on Kohli and not accept that India is an average team.

India qualified for knockouts of every ICC tournament after 2012.

This is the first time they are out without playing the semis in 9 years.

The team just beat Australia in Australia in a test series.

Leads England 2-1 in England.

Just because they didn't qualify for one ICC semis doesn't make the team avg.

 

[Pollack]

Agreed. India needs to revamp their structure. IPL is ruining Indian cricket because hacks are too used to playing average bowlers on flat wickets. As soon as there is a good bowler in a difficult pitch in a big game, they get found out.

Your batsmen are not “out of form”. They just can’t play quality bowling on good pitches. Otherwise they wouldn’t have demolished Scotland and Afghanistan. They aren’t out of form - this is just their ceiling.

Not really. India against NZ went 12 overs without boundary. I am not sure NZ bowling is that good or Indian batting is that bad. It's just they played timid cricket. Fear of losing is what got to them. Same Rohit and Rahul will bash Shaheen in bilateral if played or next time they meet. This isn't about ceiling. It's about playing an outdated approach of safety first.

 

[ExpressPacer]

India qualified for knockouts of every ICC tournament after 2012.

This is the first time they are out without playing the semis in 9 years.

The team just beat Australia in Australia in a test series.

Leads England 2-1 in England.

Just because they didn't qualify for one ICC semis doesn't make the team avg.

The way they got mauled by Pakistan and then beaten by NZ, I would say they are pretty average. Excuses of being "out of form" are also pointless because when faced with similar caliber bowlers in Scotland and Afghanistan, the form was back.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

You can say anything. It will not make it true. Fact is that India has performed consistently in tests ODIs and T20s in last 9 years. Qualifying in the knockouts of every ICC tournament in every format.

Any team can have a bad tournament.

WI has won the T20 WC twice, no one calls them a good team.

They are the modern version of South Africa. Good in bilateral but poor in tournament cricket.

The way that they froze against New Zealand was the biggest choke I've witnessed in T20s.

Something needs to be done to understand how they succumb to pressure so easily.

May be a change in approach, in the Dhoni era the team was calm and clinical. In the Kohli era they are too dramatic especially when on top. I think this puts extra pressure on the side when they are facing adversity.

 

[Uzi]

You can say anything. It will not make it true. Fact is that India has performed consistently in tests ODIs and T20s in last 9 years. Qualifying in the knockouts of every ICC tournament in every format.

Any team can have a bad tournament.

WI has won the T20 WC twice, no one calls them a good team.

They certainly were a very good team in T20s hence why they won it twice.

 

[Uzi]

How does this World Cup loss was when it really mattered. It was a group stage match. The match against NZ was the one that really mattered because it was a virtual knockout.

I think the game against Namibia today will be very important. Virat Kohli's testimonial and a changing of the guard perhaps.

 

[Pollack]

I think the game against Namibia today will be very important. Virat Kohli's testimonial and a changing of the guard perhaps.

I want Namibia to beat India. Wont happen but would be happy if the miracle happens. Kohli and team are already giving excuse that they had just two bad days. Not man enough to admit they played poorly. Who cares who wins against Namibia.

 

[Usman Chadda]

India is not an average team at all, credit where it’s due. They got completely outplayed by two sides at the top of their game.

Excuses of toss, IPL etc are dumb. They just were not allowed to play good cricket on those two days.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Poor in tournament? India reached ever ICC tournaments knockouts in last 9 years and across every format. I doubt any other team has done that. May be NZ.

They have a poor captain who is acting more like a bollywood star than a cricketer and that has rubbed on in other players. Never before in Indian cricket, so many 1st 11 players were in a relationship with the industry. It has a deleterious effect on the team. The team was simply not focussed on the job. They were more interested in taking the knee for BLM or tweeting about how to celebrate festivals and other things.

Are you happy with them reaching the knockouts of tournaments?

I guess if you guys are happy with that ROI then who are we to judge.

Australia, NZ and England also take the knee - they are still in the semis.

 

[mastimasti]

Changing the captain will not change much, neither will the CWC 2023. At home, we already know our team is the best of the best, it will be a tournament win just like in 2011 and the critics will quieten down again and India will be regarded as the greatest sporting nation on earth, ever, forever with nothing wrong.

Yet the problems will persist, players with the physical outline of Shardur and Rohit, flat track hackers like Pandya and Sharma and a culture reliant on Kohli whose performances naturally are getting worse. The underlying issues will be ignored for years to come but the issues are:

Fitness
Improved fielding
Younger batsmen
Improve bowling outside of Bumrah and Shami

None of this will be looked at, I can guarantee it.

 

[MenInG]

Topic of discussion is India - please stick to the topic

 

[MP2011]

Exactly my point. India is a bilateral bully. Couldn't even turn up in Tests when it was a tournament-esque match that mattered. Overhyped and rightly brought back down to Earth.

So as per you, winning in Australia and England doesn't matter and only WTC final matters.

Well done, you have shown what great cricketing knowledge you possess.

 

[MP2011]

India is not an average team at all, credit where it’s due. They got completely outplayed by two sides at the top of their game.

Excuses of toss, IPL etc are dumb. They just were not allowed to play good cricket on those two days.

Agree with this. We are not average, far from it. As I said earlier, if we are average, what about others?

We got mauled by 2 good teams and that's about it.

 

[MP2011]

Blaming the mediocrity of an entire team on one man is absurd. I am glad that you admit that the team is mediocre, however, you will be disappointed if you think this mediocrity will subside when Kohli is no longer captain.

This mediocrity will persist even when Rohit Sharma is captain. This mediocrity will persist even if anyone else is the captain. A good captain can make small differences but if the whole team is mediocre then a good captain will not be able to make much of a difference.

The way India got mauled by Pakistan and the way they were defeated by NZ, I seriously don’t think the exclusion or removal from captaincy of Kohli will make much of a difference. In fact, if not for Kohli, India’s defeat to Pakistan would have been even more embarrassing, as he gave you a respectable total.

You know nothing about how Kohli led us, so don't pass sermons.

As I said twice, if we are mediocre what does it say about other teams?

 

[MP2011]

This is the first time in 9 years we failed to qualify for semis of a world tourney. Sure, we didn't win any of those tourneys which we surely should have but it doesn't show in the slightest that we are medicore or average.

 

[the Great Khan]

I think they are looking long in the tooth now. They need to get some fresh blood in. You can still keep some experience but use them with youngsters. Nothing to lose.
I would drop shami Rahul kohli bhuvi. I would keep ashwin and Rohit..fill the rest of the gaps with young players..keep thakur in the side too..hardik also...sky and ish too..just need to get some new pacers..

Oz will be more suitable to this India team..strange but true..

 

[msb314]

The 2007 WC exit brought a big change in the Indian team. Similar changes can be expected now.

Virat and his brand of activism with the team where he literally was doing Bollywood like ads in everything has to go out.

What “big change”?

Sehwag, Sachin, Gambhir, Dhoni, Yuvraj and Harbhajan all played in the 2011 WC.

Yes Dravid did not - but he did continue to play ODI’s for several years afterwards. Ganguly and Kumble retired on their own will and had nothing to do with the 2007 WC debacle.

Maybe Irfan Pathan saw the writing on the wall
But his performance was declining even before the 2007 WC. Robin Uthappa was never a great player to begin with lol

 

[subshakerz]

The problem also are Indian cricket fans and pundits in their hype around Kohli.

When India were rolled over for 36 in Adelaide, they questioned Kohli as captain, but this was forgotten by the end of the series as India won.

Then they lost the ICC Test final and questions arose, but they were silenced again when India did well against a weakened England later.

Now they lost the T20 World Cup, but expect Kohli's name to be reestablished when they do well against a weak South Africa later this year.

Personally, I find it weird that Kohli will be ODI captain while Rohit is T20 captain. I understand splitting captains but keeping Kohli was ODI captain is simply strange and can lead to all sorts of dressing room dynamics.

 

[Giannis]

No team has chased in this competition against good teams and won in Dubai internationalstadium. look at match Australia against England, Australia failed to put bat and ball.

You can ignore the truth but teams will suffer in the semis if they lose the toss. Let's see what you will say then.
Pakistan was lucky to win toss against india,nz
Nz was lucky to win toss against india
India loss all tosses against good teams.

you really think India would've been able to chase anything north of 180 once Pakistani batsmen smacked their bowlers around and that too against a bowling attack consisting of Shaheen, Hassan, Rauf, Imad, Shadab, Hafeez and Malik? LOL

 

[pillionrider]

you really think India would've been able to chase anything north of 180 once Pakistani batsmen smacked their bowlers around and that too against a bowling attack consisting of Shaheen, Hassan, Rauf, Imad, Shadab, Hafeez and Malik? LOL

Pakistanis getting excited about their team's performance in home conditions. Do you have any idea what this same batting lineup with minor changes under a different captain can do to your bowling stars on a neutral venue? You won't have to wait too long. A year will be enough

And when Indian batsmen get home conditions I wish you speedy recovery in advance :2023

 

[Syed1]

Something I read on twitter.... Since the launch of IPL India has made just one T20 WC final which it lost. Meanwhile SL has made the final three times winning once.

If you look past all the glamour, the media hype and the backing of pundits you will see that India is quite an average side relying on one or two star players like Kohli.

 

[Giannis]

Pakistanis getting excited about their team's performance in home conditions. Do you have any idea what this same batting lineup with minor changes under a different captain can do to your bowling stars on a neutral venue? You won't have to wait too long. A year will be enough

And when Indian batsmen get home conditions I wish you speedy recovery in advance :2023

Home conditions? these aren't Pakistanis home conditions, the UAE has different pitches and a different climatic conditions from Pakistan, if anything India has just much an advantage as Pakistan. Moreover India literally hosted the freaking IPL just weeks before in the same stadiums - a huge T20 tournament arguably bigger than the world cup according to many Indians lmaoo and even then despite playing in these very conditions y'all failed and crashed out the first round with some consolation victories against minnows. Also it was the BCCI's choice to host their world cup in the UAE, so this was your designated home and Pakistan spanked India in a packed stadium in Dubai right in front of a crowd that was over 90% Indian The crowd was literally so quite throughout the game cause India was losing and that was one of your biggest advantages.