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Not having HP in the team actually messes up India's entire gameplan!

1) Without him, India are forced to keep Chahal out of the XI and instead play Jadeja

Chahal as part of the KulCha combo takes wickets in the middle overs leaving our inept death over bowlers (minus Bumrah) a relatively easier task of controlling runs against weaker batsmen. Bumrah merrily cleans up the tail on usual days and BK can still have his one odd 15-run over

But when we have Jadeja in the side, he doesn't take wickets (and won't take any in England either) and exposes our death over specialists to the better batsmen

2) When it comes to individual performance - with bat, the likes of DK and others whom we've tried aren't much better than Pandya and latter can easily bowl 7-8 overs a game

Pandya is vital for the India right now. Can't see India win the World Cup without him in the team.
 
He will be in the playing XI of WC , there is no doubt about it.

Dhawan , Sharma , Kohli , dhoni , Pandaya , Bumrah , Kumar , Kuldeep .... These are locked. Rest 4 will be decided
 
His power hitting is vital to India. Hasn't been consistent yet but has shown flashes of brilliance. Consistency will come eventually. He does offer a seam bowling opition as well. And he is a good fielder as well. India have backed him a lot in recent times with the WC in mind, if he banned for the tournament it is a big blow to India's chances.
 
Can't hit pace and leaks runs like no tomorrow. India should look elsewhere :(
 
Fields brilliantly as well - probably the most important player in Indian WC equation to bridge between top 3 & lower half. He gives so much balance that India actually can use two combinations- at wickets like Lord’s, Oval & Cardiff; 2 genuine spinners, Bumrah, Shami & Pandeya. On seeming northern venues only Kuldeep & BK as 3rd seemer.
 
babajee said:
Can't hit pace and leaks runs like no tomorrow. India should look elsewhere :(
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He scored 93 in 1st Test against SAF - a score still any PAK batsman to reach in this series and a 93 atom someone tomorrow can save 3-0...... took a 5for in last English tour, which also has eluded PAK bowling so far in this series played on pacers’ dreamland.
 
MMHS said:
He scored 93 in 1st Test against SAF - a score still any PAK batsman to reach in this series and a 93 atom someone tomorrow can save 3-0...... took a 5for in last English tour, which also has eluded PAK bowling so far in this series played on pacers’ dreamland.
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So you bring in tests when we are talking about ODIs!
 
babajee said:
So you bring in tests when we are talking about ODIs!
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He is a far better ODI player than a Test player. You brought pace playing capacity, which has hardly any significance if it’s a Test or ODI - it’s actually much tougher in Test.

He bats at 6/7, when spinners bowl more overs & his role is to accelerate- bring pacers, he’ll be equally destructive on his day. The guy who can smash run a ball 93 against SAF attack in SAF wickets in Test cricket - is a bit silly to think that he can’t hit pacers in ODI played on 300+ wickets, without reverse swing & short ball. And, that’s from someone regularly tries to sell Fahim Ashraf as all rounder here!!!
 
We are. Pathetic ODI team and without Pandya, there is no power hitting down the order. We have a Bunch of accumulators and noobs with bat after Top 3.

I am secretly hoping Aus exposes us in the remaining 2 odi’s too.

Not having Pant and Shaw/Gill is a crime in the middle order. Horrible planning and we all know it.
 
MMHS said:
Fields brilliantly as well - probably the most important player in Indian WC equation to bridge between top 3 & lower half. He gives so much balance that India actually can use two combinations- at wickets like Lord’s, Oval & Cardiff; 2 genuine spinners, Bumrah, Shami & Pandeya. On seeming northern venues only Kuldeep & BK as 3rd seemer.
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Thanks. Exactly. I’ve made the mistake of going solely by numbers but they don’t justify the importance he holds.
 
Hardik pandya has importance due to a non existent middle order where tail starts at 4 and he's a decent batsman in that place.

Weed out the visitors and dependancy on pandya will get lower.
 
MMHS said:
He is a far better ODI player than a Test player. You brought pace playing capacity, which has hardly any significance if it’s a Test or ODI - it’s actually much tougher in Test.

He bats at 6/7, when spinners bowl more overs & his role is to accelerate- bring pacers, he’ll be equally destructive on his day. The guy who can smash run a ball 93 against SAF attack in SAF wickets in Test cricket - is a bit silly to think that he can’t hit pacers in ODI played on 300+ wickets, without reverse swing & short ball. And, that’s from someone regularly tries to sell Fahim Ashraf as all rounder here!!!
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I'm yet to see him destroy a pace attack in ODIs.
 
MMHS said:
He scored 93 in 1st Test against SAF - a score still any PAK batsman to reach in this series and a 93 atom someone tomorrow can save 3-0...... took a 5for in last English tour, which also has eluded PAK bowling so far in this series played on pacers’ dreamland.
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Oh boy topic was about pandya and here you are mocking pakistan test batting in SA .You Seems to be very vocal since the start of test series hopefully you have more thing to be worry about than overcritical and fantasy theories about pakistan cricket
 
Diana Eduljee wants him banned for 6months. That lady is hell bent on destroying indian cricket.
 
Thanks to Pandya's shenanigans SHubman Gill enters the Indian ODI squad. If it were not for Pandya, Rahul would still be playing. Pandya is the only human in the country who could have made it possible for Gill to get a chance.

Yes, Pandya is very important. :wa
 
Oligochaetes said:
Thanks to Pandya's shenanigans SHubman Gill enters the Indian ODI squad. If it were not for Pandya, Rahul would still be playing. Pandya is the only human in the country who could have made it possible for Gill to get a chance.

Yes, Pandya is very important. :wa
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Gill replaced Rahul, Vijay Shankar replaced Pandya.

Pandya, being the champion cricketer he is, will be a key player for any team and not only India. He a ferocious striker at no.7, can bowl at 140+, top fielder and has got that winner attitude. Compare that with Jadeja or Vijay Shankar :facepalm:

Hardik Pandya is imperative for India's chances at world cup.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Not having HP in the team actually messes up India's entire gameplan!

1) Without him, India are forced to keep Chahal out of the XI and instead play Jadeja

Chahal as part of the KulCha combo takes wickets in the middle overs leaving our inept death over bowlers (minus Bumrah) a relatively easier task of controlling runs against weaker batsmen. Bumrah merrily cleans up the tail on usual days and BK can still have his one odd 15-run over

But when we have Jadeja in the side, he doesn't take wickets (and won't take any in England either) and exposes our death over specialists to the better batsmen

2) When it comes to individual performance - with bat, the likes of DK and others whom we've tried aren't much better than Pandya and latter can easily bowl 7-8 overs a game

Pandya is vital for the India right now. Can't see India win the World Cup without him in the team.
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Since his comeback in Asia Cup,Jadeja has been as good if not better than Chahal in bowling alone.Not to mention Chahal is a horrible fielder where Jadeja wipes the floor with him.In batting Jadeja can make useful contributions like in Asia Cup final which we can't expect from Chahal

In last match,he took out set Khawaja too.Has good record in England

Pandya is needed back,but even if he comes ,Jadeja can hold his place at 8.
 
Jadeja should be preferred over Chahal for his fielding alone. Never seen such an atrocious fielder as the latter. Not to mention he leaks too many runs.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Diana Eduljee wants him banned for 6months. That lady is hell bent on destroying indian cricket.
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The current Supreme Court appointed BCCI setup is the best example of ‘sarkari’ bureaucratic incompetence. Rai & Edulji only seem to be concerned about establishing their supremacy over the others. For the sake of Indian cricket, we need those corrupt politicians & industrialists back at the helm in BCCI
:srini
 
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Gun player with both bat and bowl and can make the difference in every department so very important to the india's team if they want to win the world cup
 
India has a fragile tail so Hardik is very important to the team as he provides some much needed hitting.
 
Pandya
Kul
Cha
Bhuvi
Bumrah

This should be India's bowling line up for most games. KulCha duo has to play
 
BreadPakoda said:
Pandya
Kul
Cha
Bhuvi
Bumrah

This should be India's bowling line up for most games. KulCha duo has to play
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Jadhav
Pandya
2 out of Bhuvi, Chahal, Shami depending on conditions and opposition
Kuldeep
Bumrah

Those are your 6 bowling options + top 3 + extra batsman + WK (Dhoni sadly).
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Gill replaced Rahul, Vijay Shankar replaced Pandya.

Pandya, being the champion cricketer he is, will be a key player for any team and not only India. He a ferocious striker at no.7, can bowl at 140+, top fielder and has got that winner attitude. Compare that with Jadeja or Vijay Shankar :facepalm:

Hardik Pandya is imperative for India's chances at world cup.
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Absolutely. He has to play at least the AUS ODIs in India to regain some form
 
Sin Nombre said:
Jadhav
Pandya
2 out of Bhuvi, Chahal, Shami depending on conditions and opposition
Kuldeep
Bumrah

Those are your 6 bowling options + top 3 + extra batsman + WK (Dhoni sadly).
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Agree.

Jadhav is crucial too. Could have got a wicket today as well had Dhoni held on to it.
 
The diana eduljee woman is destroying Indian cricket, sad that this is being allowed to happen.
 
Kohli said:
Realistic 11 at the World Cup

Rohit
Shikhar
King *
Rayudu
Dhoni +
Jadhav
Pandya
Bhuvi
Kuldeep
Chahal
Bumrah
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Rayudu and Dhoni are the biggest weak links. However, agree that this seems like the most realistic line up
 
Saurav said:
Since his comeback in Asia Cup,Jadeja has been as good if not better than Chahal in bowling alone.Not to mention Chahal is a horrible fielder where Jadeja wipes the floor with him.In batting Jadeja can make useful contributions like in Asia Cup final which we can't expect from Chahal

In last match,he took out set Khawaja too.Has good record in England

Pandya is needed back,but even if he comes ,Jadeja can hold his place at 8.
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Chahal shows again why he needs to be played over Jadeja.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Rayudu and Dhoni are the biggest weak links. However, agree that this seems like the most realistic line up
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Rayudu is out I think. The way Kohli urged Rayudu to hit out in 2nd ODI is the final nail.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Chahal shows again why he needs to be played over Jadeja.
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By this logic,Dhoni is our best batsman and Jadeja did better than Kuldeep first 2 games

One-off matches don't tell everything.In the long run you need balance in the team.Only one of Kuldeep and Chahal can play.I don't mind either tbh
 
Saurav said:
By this logic,Dhoni is our best batsman and Jadeja did better than Kuldeep first 2 games

One-off matches don't tell everything.In the long run you need balance in the team.Only one of Kuldeep and Chahal can play.I don't mind either tbh
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Its not a one off thing, Chahal averages 23 over his career while Jadeja averages 35+.. Its not even a competition. Balance will be there if Pandya plays. And that's what the thread is all about.
 
Pandya is coming from the category of "Make ya break". Not everyone is kohli and know how to handle when chips are down. The ongoing saga of coffee with Karan made Hardik depressed and his one way attitude of aggressiveness wont help him to come out of his current situation. There is high chances of he is surrendering to the situation and never be the same hardik again. If he came out stronger than he has bright future in indian team for next 10 years. Hope, he is strong and his support system is better than his ****** attitude.
 
Hardik Pandya jee should be selected because he provides balance in the team. Whether he performs with the ball or bat with a bowling average of 40 and batting average of 29 is another thing. :inti
 
Modi Asked Karan Johar to take care of Rahul and Hardik and end their career by getting them to talk some controversial statement ( Rahul Gandhi and Hardik Patel , two political adversaries causing Modi lot of pain recently).
Karan thought he meant KL Rahul and Hardik Pandya.
Case of mistaken identity
:))):))):105:
 
As KL Rahul said during Coffee with Karan, Pandya doesn't have any competition for his role and feels as an highly overrated player, well he is definitely one of them but given he is the best India has among all their all-rounders and can be used as a third pace bowling option who can be a solid hitter, his role comes handy in the World Cups.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Hardik Pandya jee should be selected because he provides balance in the team. Whether he performs with the ball or bat with a bowling average of 40 and batting average of 29 is another thing. :inti
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Those numbers explain only half the story.
Batting average of 30 at No.7 with an SR of 115. Those are quick impact runs and are often the difference between 280 and 300.

Bowling average of 40 with an ER of 5.5.
With an average runs per game close to 300 (6 rpo) these days, conceding less than that (5.5) in a 10 over quota while picking up a wicket is decent for a 3rd seamer who can bowl 135+ and doesn't choke.

Add a few runs he saves or the catches he takes through his world.class Fielding.

Now you will see how he impacts the game in it's entirety.
 
As a Pakistan supporter, I hope he plays.

Indian team looks too strong without him.
 
Snowflake said:
As a Pakistan supporter, I hope he plays.

Indian team looks too strong without him.
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He is Sir Don Bradman reincarnated against Pakistan. ~100 Average ~200 SR :113:

Hasn't shown same levels of performance with the ball in ODIs, but averages 8 with the ball in T20s.

So careful what you wish for.
 
He will be critical for India in WC. He will get his chance.

Diana Edulji did right, he had to be punished for that banter. He needs to learn the lesson.
 
BreadPakoda said:
He is Sir Don Bradman reincarnated against Pakistan. ~100 Average ~200 SR :113:

Hasn't shown same levels of performance with the ball in ODIs, but averages 8 with the ball in T20s.

So careful what you wish for.
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the entire day was filled with abnormality. :) you know what i mean.
 
rhony said:
So who's this ombudsman guy and when will he make a decision
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Will take months to sort out. Doesn't matter. The verdict will probably be a fine and suspensions covered by the games missed already.
 
Hardik Pandya to join India on NZ tour

Hardik Pandya is to join India’s side currently touring New Zealand, while KL Rahul is set to feature for India A, who are currently in the midst of a limited-overs series against England Lions.

The inclusion of Pandya and Rahul in their respective squads follows on from the BCCI’s decision to lift the suspensions they received for making controversial comments on an Indian television show.

A statement from the BCCI read: "Hardik Pandya will be sent to New Zealand to join the team at the earliest and KL Rahul will join the India A squad to play the last 3 one-day games against England Lions."

India still have 4 ODIs to play in New Zealand, set to be followed by 3 T20Is.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/982410
 
Good comeback! Picked 2 crucial wickets and a brilliant catch! Hope he can only get better from here and win many more matches for Team India!
 
Tyler Durden said:
Good comeback! Picked 2 crucial wickets and a brilliant catch! Hope he can only get better from here and win many more matches for Team India!
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Looks like he buckled down didn't he? Subdued celebrations etc
 
rhony said:
Looks like he buckled down didn't he? Subdued celebrations etc
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I think his break was blessing in disguise. He appeared more poised and level-headed today. His mentor said he practiced really hard during the break in Oz.
 
I can sense that this episode has helped Pandya get matured. He was on the verge of following in the footsteps of Vinod Kambli. Now, after getting this rap on the knuckle at the right moment, it is expected that he will become more level headed from now onwards and steer clear of shows like Koffee with Karan in future.
 
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Good comeback match. For chases, 8-9 RPO in last 5-7 overs also seems easier, even with Dhoni, when Pandya is around
 
Ross Taylor identified the returning Hardik Pandya as India's MVP on the day.

Hardik brings in a very nice balance to the Indian side. He came in and bowled well, used the change-ups and bumper very well, with the wind as well. We wanted to negate the spinners as much as possible. I thought we were able to do that, but Hardik came in and got some vital wickets and a good catch as well. Just the presence he brings into this Indian side, I think the balance of the side is a lot better when he's in.
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Hardik, Bumrah and Kohli are the only 3 really irreplaceable members of ODI team. Rest all players' absences we can cover somewhat with backups.
 
Please don't play him in Tests. India are doing well with their 3 regulars seamers in Tests. In tests, just risk using Bhuvaneshwar as 4th seamer+alrounder if you really need (and use Jadeja as stock spinner or even Vihari as we are playing on a non-spinning pitch in this case! This means the batting line-up is not affected much).

If India hadn't experimented with Pandya in Tests, they would have been in even better position to shape up the WC squad... I can understand India were as keen as WC about overseas test series which were lined up one after the other, but finally they got the result in Australia by choosing proper combination! Now we should make up our mind clearly about how to use our MVPs like Pandya, Bumrah, etc.
 
pratiktc said:
Hardik, Bumrah and Kohli are the only 3 really irreplaceable members of ODI team. Rest all players' absences we can cover somewhat with backups.
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Kohli
Bumrah
Rohit
Pandya
Dhawan
Kuldeep/Chahal (at least one of them)

6 players who should play every WC game
 
RamLakhan said:
Please don't play him in Tests. India are doing well with their 3 regulars seamers in Tests. In tests, just risk using Bhuvaneshwar as 4th seamer+alrounder if you really need (and use Jadeja as stock spinner or even Vihari as we are playing on a non-spinning pitch in this case! This means the batting line-up is not affected much).

If India hadn't experimented with Pandya in Tests, they would have been in even better position to shape up the WC squad... I can understand India were as keen as WC about overseas test series which were lined up one after the other, but finally they got the result in Australia by choosing proper combination! Now we should make up our mind clearly about how to use our MVPs like Pandya, Bumrah, etc.
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In Tests 2 spinners might be the way to go for them. Jadeja and Kuldeep or Ashwin and Kuldeep.
 
Hardik Pandya is good LOI allrounder. But don't think he is test standard. Vijay Shankar can be tried in test
. Seems to have sol8d batting technique, bowling can be useful in Eng, NZ, SA. Can be tried in place of Rahane.
 
yuvi said:
Hardik Pandya is good LOI allrounder. But don't think he is test standard. Vijay Shankar can be tried in test
. Seems to have sol8d batting technique, bowling can be useful in Eng, NZ, SA. Can be tried in place of Rahane.
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Instead of defaming by calling not up to "standards" of certain format, it is better to tell like not "suiting" to certain format! He did win us 1 test match as well on a tough tour... The fact is he is more essential & more suited to our ODI lineup, where we don't have power hitters/finishers and also lack of effective 3rd/4th seamer/death bowler (Ishant don't/can't play ODIs... But he is premier quality in Tests! We made the same mistake with Ishant as well without using him only in tests in the past! If so he would have been a bowling legend/ATG by now!) + his fielding quality... All these are more important in ODIs compared to tests...

If really needed he can be groomed to Test Player also as he proved in some matches... He can develop the temperament to play long innings and bowl long spells... But India don't get the chance to play on such pitches... He could have done that if he was playing for England team (with more than 50% matches played in helpful conditions!), with practice he would have got developed into a quality test alrounder! But in Indian team he gets that mismatch/discontinuity to properly groom in tests! Wheres in ODIs he can always gets that chance to be that 3rd/4th seamer...

India is fine with 3 proper seamers in Tests (they have got that now in Bumrah/Shami/Ishant) In ODIs Pandya is a big asset, just that people should not compare him with Kapil, Sobers, etc. For their facts most teams (except England) don't have a player like him currently and for a SC team he is pure gold (he is definitely of the caliber of Razzak, A.Mehmood, etc). Probably Pandya would have succeeded in both formats if he was playing in 90s, because of lesser overall workload (no IPL, no fierce T20 powerplay!)
 
RamLakhan said:
Instead of defaming by calling not up to "standards" of certain format, it is better to tell like not "suiting" to certain format! He did win us 1 test match as well on a tough tour... The fact is he is more essential & more suited to our ODI lineup, where we don't have power hitters/finishers and also lack of effective 3rd/4th seamer/death bowler (Ishant don't/can't play ODIs... But he is premier quality in Tests! We made the same mistake with Ishant as well without using him only in tests in the past! If so he would have been a bowling legend/ATG by now!) + his fielding quality... All these are more important in ODIs compared to tests...

If really needed he can be groomed to Test Player also as he proved in some matches... He can develop the temperament to play long innings and bowl long spells... But India don't get the chance to play on such pitches... He could have done that if he was playing for England team (with more than 50% matches played in helpful conditions!), with practice he would have got developed into a quality test alrounder! But in Indian team he gets that mismatch/discontinuity to properly groom in tests! Wheres in ODIs he can always gets that chance to be that 3rd/4th seamer...

India is fine with 3 proper seamers in Tests (they have got that now in Bumrah/Shami/Ishant) In ODIs Pandya is a big asset, just that people should not compare him with Kapil, Sobers, etc. For their facts most teams (except England) don't have a player like him currently and for a SC team he is pure gold (he is definitely of the caliber of Razzak, A.Mehmood, etc). Probably Pandya would have succeeded in both formats if he was playing in 90s, because of lesser overall workload (no IPL, no fierce T20 powerplay!)
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His bowling can improve. But I honestly don't feel his batting is good enough for NZ/Eng/ SA test conditions. Need a more solid batsman like Shankar as our batting is weak in these conditions.
 
yuvi said:
Hardik Pandya is good LOI allrounder. But don't think he is test standard. Vijay Shankar can be tried in test
. Seems to have sol8d batting technique, bowling can be useful in Eng, NZ, SA. Can be tried in place of Rahane.
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Lol Vijay Shankar. I'll take Raina over him in test.
 
Itachi said:
Lol Vijay Shankar. I'll take Raina over him in test.
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He looked comfertable batting in seeming/ swinging conditions today. Haven't seen any of our batsman do that apart from Kohli recently. I feel he is worth trying in tests as a batsman.
 
yuvi said:
He looked comfertable batting in seeming/ swinging conditions today. Haven't seen any of our batsman do that apart from Kohli recently. I feel he is worth trying in tests as a batsman.
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But he is a 125 kph bowler which is same as a part timer in test matches. So instead of playing him we can play a specialist batsman.
Even on batting ability, i don't think he is better than pandya.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
But he is a 125 kph bowler which is same as a part timer in test matches. So instead of playing him we can play a specialist batsman.
Even on batting ability, i don't think he is better than pandya.
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We hsve no specialist batsman apart from Kohli who bats well in seaming/ swinging conditions. His bowling will be bonus. May pick up wickets in Eng/NZ/ SA. Sam Curran bowls same pace, created plenty of pdoblems for us in England. Pandya better striker of the ball, but struggled horribly as a batsman in England, SA tests.
 
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Was always looking forward to see Pandya's hitting ability on tiny NZ grounds.

Got some freedom to express himself today and he was phenomenal.
 
yuvi said:
We hsve no specialist batsman apart from Kohli who bats well in seaming/ swinging conditions. His bowling will be bonus. May pick up wickets in Eng/NZ/ SA. Sam Curran bowls same pace, created plenty of pdoblems for us in England. Pandya better striker of the ball, but struggled horribly as a batsman in England, SA tests.
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I don't think that we can deduce his batting abilities on seaming pitvhes based on few innings.
As far as pandya is concerned it was his first tour to sa, eng he will surely improve, he clearly has that potential
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
I don't think that we can deduce his batting abilities on seaming pitvhes based on few innings.
As far as pandya is concerned it was his first tour to sa, eng he will surely improve, he clearly has that potential
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His first class record is much better than Pandya as batsman. No harm in trying after his display today.
 
Bowled his usual quota of rubbish 4 overs and got out to Axar Patel in two balls scoring a duck when team wanted him to play sensibly and partner with aging UV! Only additions to the Pandya-post-injury are two new tattoos on his neck!
 
Tyler Durden said:
Bowled his usual quota of rubbish 4 overs and got out to Axar Patel in two balls scoring a duck when team wanted him to play sensibly and partner with aging UV! Only additions to the Pandya-post-injury are two new tattoos on his neck!
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Two new tattoos? Tattoos of a coffee cup and a tuc tuc biscuit? :inti
 
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