The importance of strong grass-roots system

[zeer]

Strong Grassroots cricket system will provide you the strong cricketers which we had Pre-structural change in 2002 by Ramiz Raja back then we had city associations based cricket structure which would not allow any club owner to blackmail any of the president of city cricket association (The presidents of the city associations were appointed by the PCB not by voting system) due to which only deserving players would come up through the system, but now because of the change in the constitution the regional presidents are appointed through club voting system which brought the same kind of politics and corruption in our cricket which we have in our country's politics. (THANK YOU RAMIZ RAJA FOR GIFTING US WITH CORRUPTION IN CRICKET).
Now look at the connection of strong grassroots system with everything it connects, Back then the associations were the nurseries for our cricket and we had 15 super Stars in our teams from past (Specially the 1999 team was the strongest of them all) We had strong departmental teams, So when we had strong departmental teams which created competitive domestic cricket, when your domestic cricket played among strong players that provide you a platform to build a strong teams, Under-19, A and National team.

 

[the Great Khan]

Democracy is the answer to everything..Democracy will give you great people like nawaz and zardari..and shakeel shiekh..democracy will give you a great education system that has produced great intellectuals like Basit Ali, and aqib javed..we are truly blessed..so stop hating..

 

[MMHS]

Strong Grassroots cricket system will provide you the strong cricketers which we had Pre-structural change in 2002 by Ramiz Raja back then we had city associations based cricket structure which would not allow any club owner to blackmail any of the president of city cricket association (The presidents of the city associations were appointed by the PCB not by voting system) due to which only deserving players would come up through the system, but now because of the change in the constitution the regional presidents are appointed through club voting system which brought the same kind of politics and corruption in our cricket which we have in our country's politics. (THANK YOU RAMIZ RAJA FOR GIFTING US WITH CORRUPTION IN CRICKET).
Now look at the connection of strong grassroots system with everything it connects, Back then the associations were the nurseries for our cricket and we had 15 super Stars in our teams from past (Specially the 1999 team was the strongest of them all) We had strong departmental teams, So when we had strong departmental teams which created competitive domestic cricket, when your domestic cricket played among strong players that provide you a platform to build a strong teams, Under-19, A and National team.

Sorry bro, not the best day and I am not rubbing slat - Rambo Raza (or Gen. Zia) had nothing to do in this. Actually, Gen. Zia did few things that has kept it still at this level.

The time frame you mentioned is just about 4/5 years late - it should be 1997-98; when Professional Cricketers Association forced ECB to reduce foreign players in County to a single player/team, from almost unlimited. Two countries suffered from that most - PAK & WI.

 

[Bubby]

Yes strong grass root system is very important, but for that the government has to take initiative along with the ex players, I don't know about Pakistan, but Indian government has taken an initiative regarding this with the help of star, their is going to be all India school sports competition which will be telecast live on star, hopefully it will give early and better exposure to school talents

 

[zeer]

Sorry bro, not the best day and I am not rubbing slat - Rambo Raza (or Gen. Zia) had nothing to do in this. Actually, Gen. Zia did few things that has kept it still at this level.

The time frame you mentioned is just about 4/5 years late - it should be 1997-98; when Professional Cricketers Association forced ECB to reduce foreign players in County to a single player/team, from almost unlimited. Two countries suffered from that most - PAK & WI.

To some extent you have a valid point, West Indies did suffer from the change in English County system, But it has absolute no impact or connection with Pakistan cricket, Let me elaborate why and how?
Pakistan cricket always produced great players due to a strong cricket set up (City Association based) due to which we have always produced super stars in every era most dominant was 1999 period, This was the period when the system produced Super Star players like Shoaib Akhtar, Saqlain Mushtaq, Shahid Afridi, Abdul Razaq, Azhar Mehmood, Younus Khan, Mohammad Asif almost 95% of them played under-19 cricket so they were the product of U-19's, they were not developed playing in county cricket they were purely the product of our domestic cricket.
And yeah Gen Zia was the person who asked Ramiz to change the structure, Ramiz mentioned this so many times that Gen Zia wanted to change the structure and it was Imran Khan who always wanted to have a strong cricket structure based on REGIONS, So he thought he would do Imran a favor, It was Imran's vision not even Ramiz's, But the question is why would someone wants to replace a thing which is already doing what you want? Why would you change a system which is already producing some of the all times greats of the game?

 

[MMHS]

To some extent you have a valid point, West Indies did suffer from the change in English County system, But it has absolute no impact or connection with Pakistan cricket, Let me elaborate why and how?
Pakistan cricket always produced great players due to a strong cricket set up (City Association based) due to which we have always produced super stars in every era most dominant was 1999 period, This was the period when the system produced Super Star players like Shoaib Akhtar, Saqlain Mushtaq, Shahid Afridi, Abdul Razaq, Azhar Mehmood, Younus Khan, Mohammad Asif almost 95% of them played under-19 cricket so they were the product of U-19's, they were not developed playing in county cricket they were purely the product of our domestic cricket.
And yeah Gen Zia was the person who asked Ramiz to change the structure, Ramiz mentioned this so many times that Gen Zia wanted to change the structure and it was Imran Khan who always wanted to have a strong cricket structure based on REGIONS, So he thought he would do Imran a favor, It was Imran's vision not even Ramiz's, But the question is why would someone wants to replace a thing which is already doing what you want? Why would you change a system which is already producing some of the all times greats of the game?

They had mentors coming from Counties, that legacy continued till late 1990s, early 2000s. There after, it has created a generation gap, which is continuing.

Besides, bowling is natural skill, even without any system, if the physical capability is there, bowlers can be produced. But, bating is process oriented, needs lots of systematic development. If you look at MoYo & YK's career before & after Bob joining PAK team, you would realize what miracle a pro coach can do to batsmen, who are naturally gifted, sweet timer of the ball.

Only world class PAK batsman, who were purely domestic product were Saeed & Inzi and they were massive under achievers. Saeed left cricket virtually doing nothing in his last 3/4 years, but before that he was a treat to watch. If you look at Inzi's few years under Bob, when he was easily 35+ and struggling with fitness big time, you can realize what a batsman he could have been had he gone to Counties just after 1992 WC for 3/4 years. Imran saw him at that time, and left cricket totally, hence the only picture he had in his mind of the fat young man was the comfort & ease of his while facing Wasim/Waquar/Mushi in nets. Had he been around, either he would have "fixed"Ul Haq, or crashed him to pieces.