What's new

The Iran Human Rights debate (Hijab/Political Victimization/Executions)

MenInG

MenInG

PakPassion Administrator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 2, 2004
Runs
217,977
A 22-year-old Iranian woman has died days after being arrested by morality police for allegedly not complying with strict rules on head coverings.

Eyewitnesses said Mahsa Amini was beaten while inside a police van when she was picked up in Tehran on Tuesday.

Police have denied the allegations, saying Ms Amini had "suddenly suffered a heart problem".

It is the latest in a series of reports of brutality against women by authorities in Iran in recent weeks.

Ms Amini's family say that she was a healthy young woman with no medical conditions that would explain a sudden heart problem.

However, they were informed she had been taken to hospital a few hours after her arrest and the family said she had been in a coma before she died on Friday.

Tehran police said Ms Amini had been arrested for "justification and education" about the hijab, the headscarf which is mandatory for all women to wear.

Her death comes in the wake of growing reports of repressive acts against women, including those judged not to be complying with Islamic dress code being barred from entering government offices and banks.

Many Iranians, including pro-government individuals, are expressing their outrage on social media platforms regarding the very existence of the morality police, also known as Guidance Patrols, and are using hashtags that translate as Murder Patrols.

Videos have emerged on social media appearing to show officers detaining women, dragging them on the ground, and forcefully whisking them away.

Many Iranians blame the Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, directly. An old speech of his is being reshared on social media in which he justifies the role of the morality police and insists that under Islamic rule, women must be forced to observe the Islamic dress code.

The latest episode will only deepen the divide between a large part of Iran's young and vibrant society and its radical rulers, a rift that seems ever harder to mend.
 
MenInG said:
A 22-year-old Iranian woman has died days after being arrested by morality police for allegedly not complying with strict rules on head coverings.

Eyewitnesses said Mahsa Amini was beaten while inside a police van when she was picked up in Tehran on Tuesday.

Police have denied the allegations, saying Ms Amini had "suddenly suffered a heart problem".

It is the latest in a series of reports of brutality against women by authorities in Iran in recent weeks.

Ms Amini's family say that she was a healthy young woman with no medical conditions that would explain a sudden heart problem.

However, they were informed she had been taken to hospital a few hours after her arrest and the family said she had been in a coma before she died on Friday.

Tehran police said Ms Amini had been arrested for "justification and education" about the hijab, the headscarf which is mandatory for all women to wear.

Her death comes in the wake of growing reports of repressive acts against women, including those judged not to be complying with Islamic dress code being barred from entering government offices and banks.

Many Iranians, including pro-government individuals, are expressing their outrage on social media platforms regarding the very existence of the morality police, also known as Guidance Patrols, and are using hashtags that translate as Murder Patrols.

Videos have emerged on social media appearing to show officers detaining women, dragging them on the ground, and forcefully whisking them away.

Many Iranians blame the Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, directly. An old speech of his is being reshared on social media in which he justifies the role of the morality police and insists that under Islamic rule, women must be forced to observe the Islamic dress code.

The latest episode will only deepen the divide between a large part of Iran's young and vibrant society and its radical rulers, a rift that seems ever harder to mend.
Click to expand...

I read about this a few days ago.

Disturbing to say the least.
 
People will naturally become atheists when you force any religion or practice on them. When you force them to pray or dress in a particular manner there is no grace but only oppression. Every religious doctrine is a choice to believe or to reject. In Iran and even Saudi that has never been the case.
 
Most Iranians I have meet in the west are secular Also maybe iran is the only Muslim country where the people are looking forward and not in the past at previous glories. Forward looking people. Can’t wait for the day they break the shackles from the tyrant government ( without any outsider help)
 
Protests persisted on Sunday and #MahsaAmini became one of the top hashtags ever on Persian-language Twitter as Iranians fumed over the death of a young woman in the custody of morality police enforcing strict hijab rules.

Amini, 22, died on Friday after falling into a coma following her arrest in Tehran earlier in the week. The case has put a spotlight on women's rights in Iran.
Advertisement


Police rejected suspicions aired on social media that she was beaten, saying she fell ill as she waited with other detained women.

"Authorities have said my daughter suffered from chronic medical conditions. I personally deny such claims as my daughter was fit and had no health problems," Amini's father told pro-reform Emtedad news website on Sunday.

Hundreds of protesters gathered on Sunday around the University of Tehran, shouting "Woman, Life, Freedom", according to online videos.

Reuters could not verify the footage.

A newspaper with a cover picture of Mahsa Amini, a woman who died after being arrested by the Islamic republic's

A newspaper with a cover picture of Mahsa Amini, a woman who died after being arrested by the Islamic republic's "morality police" is seen in Tehran, Iran September 18, 2022. REUTERS

Under Iran's sharia, or Islamic law, women are obliged to cover their hair and wear long, loose-fitting clothes. Offenders face public rebuke, fines or arrest. But in recent months activists have urged women to remove veils despite the hardline rulers' crackdown on "immoral behaviour".

Surging hashtag

By Sunday afternoon the Persian hashtag #MahsaAmini had reached 1.63 million mentions on Twitter.

Amini was from the country's Kurdistan region, where there were also protests on Saturday, including at the funeral in her hometown Saqez.

Between 8 to 10 million Kurds live in Iran. Iran’s Revolutionary Guards have put down unrest in the country’s Kurdish areas for decades, and the hardline judiciary has sentenced many activists to long jail terms or death.

Police repressed the demonstrations in Saqez. According to videos posted online at least one man had a head injury. Reuters could not authenticate the videos.

Behzad Rahimi, a member of parliament for Saqez, told the semi-official ILNA news agency that a few people were wounded at the funeral. "One of them was hospitalised in the Saqez Hospital after being hit in the intestines by ballbearings," he said.

Kurdish rights group Hengaw said, however, that 33 people were injured in Saqez. Reuters could not independently confirm the number.

Express Tribune
 
Tehran's police chief says the death of a woman in custody was an "unfortunate" incident he does not want repeated.

Mahsa Amini, 22, fell into a coma last week, hours after morality police held her for allegedly breaking hijab rules.

Witnesses accused officers of beating her, but Police Brig-Gen Hossein Rahimi denied such "cowardly accusations".

Her death sparked protests in the capital and western Iran, where two people were reportedly killed in clashes with riot police on Monday.

Videos posted on social media appeared to show a crowd throwing stones in the town of Divandarreh and later running after coming under fire.

Other footage showed protests in the capital, where women removed their headscarves and shouted "death to the dictator" - a chant often used in reference to the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Ms Amini, an ethnic Kurd who was from the western city of Saqez in Kurdistan province, died in hospital on Friday after spending three days in a coma.

She was detained outside a metro station in Tehran on Tuesday by morality police. They accused her of breaking the law requiring women to cover their hair with a headscarf, and their arms and legs with loose clothing.

According to witnesses, she was beaten while inside a police van that took her to a detention centre.

Police rejected the allegation and said she suffered "sudden heart failure" while waiting with other women at the facility to be "educated".

They released CCTV footage that showed a woman they identified as Ms Amini talking with a female official, who grabs her clothing. She is then seen holding her head with her hands and collapsing to the ground.

The interior minister said on Saturday that Ms Amini "apparently had previous physical problems".

However, her father told pro-reform news outlets on Sunday that she was "fit and had no health problems". He also said his daughter had suffered bruising to her legs and that the CCTV footage showed an "edited version" of events.

On Monday, Brig-Gen Rahimi expressed sympathy to Ms Amini's family, but insisted that she suffered no physical harm.

"The evidence shows that there was no negligence or inappropriate behaviour on the part of the police," he told reporters.

The death triggered widespread criticism of the actions of the morality police, which recently launched a crackdown on "improper clothing".

Protests erupted in Saqez after her funeral on Saturday, with security forces reportedly opening fire on a crowd that marched towards the local governor's office.

There were also clashes between protesters and riot police in Sanandaj, Kurdistan's capital, on Saturday and Sunday.

Kurdish human rights group Hengaw said on Sunday that at least 38 people were injured in the two cities.

Hengaw reported the deaths of two protesters following Monday's clashes in Divandarreh, which is located between Saqez and Sanandaj. It also said a 10-year-old girl was shot in the head in Bukan, a city in West Azerbaijan province

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-62954648
 
Female protesters have been at the forefront of escalating protests in Iran and have been burning headscarves, after the death in custody of a woman detained for breaking hijab laws.

Demonstrations have continued for five successive nights, and reached several towns and cities.

Mahsa Amini died in hospital on Friday after spending three days in a coma.

In Sari, north of Tehran, large crowds cheered as women set their hijabs alight in defiant acts of protest.

Ms Amini was arrested in the capital last week by Iran's morality police, accused of breaking the law requiring women to cover their hair with a hijab, or headscarf, and their arms and legs with loose clothing.

She fell into a coma shortly after collapsing at a detention centre.

There were reports that police beat Ms Amini's head with a baton and banged her head against one of their vehicles, Acting UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Nada al-Nashif said.

The police have denied that she was mistreated and said she suffered "sudden heart failure". Ms Amini's family has said she was fit and healthy.

The 22-year-old was from Kurdistan Province in western Iran, where three people were killed on Monday as security forces opened fire on protesters.

An aide to Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei paid a visit to Ms Amini's family on Monday and told them that "all institutions will take action to defend the rights that were violated", state media reported.

Senior MP Jalal Rashidi Koochi publicly criticised the morality police, saying the force was a "mistake" as it had only produced "loss and damage" for Iran.

BBC
 
This is turning into a a headache for the regime. Multiple protests in iran over this. Regime change unlikely but I think they will have to change archaic laws at some point down the road.
 
I hope not. Could be genuine women uprising who are sick and tired of benevolent patriarchy holding them down . Will not amount too much at the moment as the regime is still strong
 
US President Joe Biden vowed solidarity with Iranian women Wednesday as eight people were reported killed in growing protests over the death of a young woman arrested by the morality police.

Addressing the United Nations shortly after a defiant speech by Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi, Biden saluted the protesters while renewing his support for reviving a nuclear accord with Tehran.

"Today we stand with the brave citizens and the brave women of Iran who right now are demonstrating to secure their basic rights," Biden told the General Assembly.

Public anger has flared in the Islamic republic since authorities on Friday announced the death of 22-year-old Mahsa Amini, who had been held for allegedly wearing a hijab headscarf in an "improper" way.

Activists said the woman, whose Kurdish first name is Jhina, had suffered a fatal blow to the head, a claim denied by officials, who have announced an investigation.

Some women demonstrators have defiantly taken off their hijabs and burned them in bonfires or symbolically cut their hair before cheering crowds, video footage spread on social media has shown.

"No to the headscarf, no to the turban, yes to freedom and equality!" protesters in Tehran were heard chanting in a rally that has been echoed by solidarity protests abroad.

Protests filled cities, especially in northern Iran, for a fifth straight night Wednesday, with activists reporting clashes in cities including Urmia and Sardasht.

In southern Iran, video footage purportedly from Wednesday showed demonstrators setting fire to a gigantic picture on the side of a building of general Qassem Soleimani, the Revolutionary Guards commander killed in a 2020 US strike in Iraq.

Iranian state media reported that street rallies had spread to 15 cities, with police using tear gas and making arrests to disperse crowds of up to 1,000 people.

London-based rights group Article 19 said it was "deeply concerned by reports of the unlawful use of force by Iranian police and security forces," including the use of live ammunition.

Demonstrators hurled stones at security forces, set fire to police vehicles and garbage bins and chanted anti-government slogans, the official IRNA news agency said.

"Death to the dictator" and "Woman, life, freedom," protesters could be heard shouting in video footage that spread beyond Iran, despite online restrictions reported by internet access monitor Netblocks.

'Double standards'
In his UN address, Raisi pointed to the deaths of Indigenous women in Canada as well as Israeli actions in the Palestinian territories and Daesh's "savagery" against women from religious minority groups.

"So long as we have this double standard, where attention is solely focused on one side and not all equally, we will not have true justice and fairness," Raisi said.

He also pushed back on Western terms to revive a 2015 nuclear accord, insisting that Iran "is not seeking to build or obtain nuclear weapons and such weapons have no place in our doctrine."

British Foreign Secretary James Cleverly said that "the Iranian leadership should notice that the people are unhappy with the direction that they have taken."

"They could abandon their nuclear weapons aspirations. They could stop the repression of voices within their own country. They could stop their destabilizing activities," he told AFP at the United Nations.

"A different path is possible. That is the path that we want Iran to take and that is the path that will see them with a stronger economy, a more happy society and a more active part in the international community."

French President Emmanuel Macron said he asked Raisi in a meeting Tuesday to show "respect for women´s rights."

'Significant shock'
The protests are among the most serious in Iran since November 2019 unrest over fuel price rises.

The wave of unrest over Amini's death "is a very significant shock, it is a societal crisis," said Iran expert David Rigoulet-Roze of the French Institute for International and Strategic Affairs.

Demonstrations first erupted Friday in Amini's home province of Kurdistan, where governor Ismail Zarei Koosha said Tuesday three people had been killed in "a plot by the enemy."

Kurdistan police commander Ali Azadi on Wednesday announced the death of another person, according to Tasnim news agency.

Two more protesters "were killed during the riots" in Kermanshah province, the region's prosecutor Shahram Karami was quoted as saying by Fars news agency, blaming "counter-revolutionary agents."

Additionally, Norway-based Kurdish rights group Hengaw said two protesters, aged 16 and 23, had been killed overnight in West Azerbaijan province.

An additional 450 people had been wounded and 500 arrested, the group said — figures that could not be independently verified.

TheNews
 
Wow. This protest is now multiple cities with many men and women in the streets. Hope it does not get violent and the regime does not brutally crush them. Seems people have had enough of moral police.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
7 people killed now due to the protest. Looks like the regime is coming down hard on the public.
 
Nine people are now reported to have been killed at protests in Iran sparked by the death of a woman detained for allegedly breaking strict hijab rules.

Among those reported killed is a 16-year-old boy, shot dead when security forces opened fire on protesters.

The unrest has spread to more than 20 major cities, including the capital Tehran.

Videos posted online from Wednesday's unrest showed women waving their headscarves in the air or burning them.

"No to the headscarf, no to the turban, yes to freedom and equality!" protesters were heard chanting at a demonstration in Tehran.

BBC
 
As unrest grows, Iran restricts access to Instagram, WhatsApp
Iran has often curbed internet access to make it difficult for protesters to post videos on social media

IRAN:
Iran curbed access on Wednesday to Meta Platforms' (META.O) Instagram and WhatsApp, two of the last remaining social networks in the country, amid protests over the death of a woman in police custody, residents and internet watchdog NetBlocks said.

Last week's death of 22-year-old Mahsa Amini, who was arrested by morality police in Tehran for "unsuitable attire", has unleashed anger over issues including freedom in the Islamic Republic and an economy reeling from sanctions.

NetBlocks also reported a "nation-scale loss of connectivity" on Iran's mail mobile telephone provider and another company's network.

WhatsApp's servers have been disrupted on multiple internet providers, hours after Instagram's services were blocked, London-based NetBlocks said.

The group's data shows a near-total disruption to internet service in parts of Kurdistan province in west Iran since Monday, while the capital city of Tehran and other parts of the country have also faced disruptions since Friday when protests first broke out.

Two residents in Tehran and southern Iran said they could only send text and not pictures on WhatsApp and that Instagram appeared to be completely blocked.

Iran has often curbed internet access to make it difficult for protesters to post videos on social media to generate support and also to obtain reliable reports on the extent of the unrest.

In 2019, the government shut down the internet for about a week to help stifle fuel protests which turned political, sparking the bloodiest crackdown in the 40-year history of the Islamic Republic.

Protests have been particularly intense in Kurdistan where Iran's Revolutionary Guards has a history of suppressing unrest.

Iran's minister of communications said earlier on Wednesday he had been misquoted after news outlets cited him as saying the authorities might disrupt internet services for security reasons.

Social media websites such as TikTok, YouTube, Twitter and Facebook are routinely blocked in parts of the Islamic Republic, which has some of the strictest internet controls in the world. But tech-savvy residents bypass curbs using virtual private networks (VPNs).

Meta and Iran's Ministry of Foreign Affairs did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Express News
 
DUBAI, Sept 22 (Reuters) - Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guards called on the Islamic Republic's judiciary on Thursday to prosecute "those who spread false news and rumours" about a young woman whose death in police custody has triggered nationwide protests.

Protesters in Tehran and other Iranian cities torched police stations and vehicles earlier on Thursday as public outrage over the death showed no signs of easing, with reports of security forces coming under attack.


Mahsa Amini, 22, died last week after being arrested in Tehran for wearing "unsuitable attire". She fell into a coma while in detention. The authorities have said they would launch an investigation into the cause of her death.

In a statement, the Guards expressed sympathy with the family and relatives of Amini.

"We have requested the judiciary to identify those who spread false news and rumours on social media as well as on the street and who endanger the psychological safety of society and to deal with them decisively," the Guards, who have cracked down on protests in the past, said.

Pro-government protests are planned for Friday, Iranian media said.

"The will of the Iranian people is this: do not spare the criminals," said an editorial in the influential hardline Kayhan newspaper.

The protests over Amini's death are the biggest in the Islamic Republic since 2019. Most have been concentrated in Iran's Kurdish-populated northwest but have spread to the capital and at least 50 cities and towns nationwide, with police using force to disperse protesters.


A new mobile internet disruption has been registered in Iran, internet monitoring group Netblocks wrote on Twitter, in a possible sign that the authorities may fear that the protests will intensify.

A group of United Nations experts, including Javaid Rehman, special rapporteur on human rights in Iran and Mary Lawlor, special rapporteur on the situation of human rights defenders, demanded accountability for Amini's death.

"We are shocked and deeply saddened by the death of Ms Amini. She is another victim of Iran’s sustained repression and systematic discrimination against women and the imposition of discriminatory dress codes that deprive women of bodily autonomy and the freedoms of opinion, expression and belief," the experts said in a statement.

A member of an Iranian pro-government paramilitary organisation, the Basij, was stabbed to death in the northeastern city of Mashhad on Wednesday, two semi-official Iranian news agencies reported on Thursday.

The Tasnim and Fars news agencies reports of the stabbing appeared on Telegram as both their websites were not functioning on Thursday. There was no official confirmation of the death.

Tasnim also said another member of the Basij was killed on Wednesday in the city of Qazvin as a result of a gunshot wound inflicted by "rioters and gangs".

Nour news, a media outlet affiliated with a top security body, shared a video of an army officer confirming the death of a soldier in the unrest, bringing the total reported number of security force members killed in the unrest to five.

An official from Mazandaran said that 76 members of the security forces were injured in the province during the unrest while the police commander of Kurdistan announced more than 100 security forces were wounded.

In the northeast, protesters shouted "We will die, we will die but we'll get Iran back" near a police station which was set on fire, a video posted on Twitter account 1500tasvir showed. The account focuses on protests in Iran and has around 100,000 followers.

Reuters could not verify the footage.

Another police station was set ablaze in Tehran as the unrest spread from Kurdistan, the home province of Amini and where she was buried on Saturday.

PERSONAL FREEDOMS
Amini's death has reignited anger over issues including restrictions on personal freedoms in Iran - including strict dress codes for women - and an economy reeling from sanctions.

Iran's clerical rulers fear a revival of the 2019 protests that erupted over gasoline price rises, the bloodiest in the Islamic Republic's history. Reuters reported 1,500 were killed.

Protesters this week also expressed anger at Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. "Mojtaba, may you die and not become Supreme Leader," a crowd was seen chanting in Tehran, referring to Khamenei's son, who some believe could succeed his father at the top of Iran's political establishment.

Reuters could not verify the video.

Reports by Kurdish rights group Hengaw, which Reuters could not verify, said the death toll in Kurdish areas had climbed to 15 and the number of injured rose to 733. Iranian officials have denied that security forces have killed protesters, suggesting they may have been shot by armed dissidents.

With no sign of the protests easing, authorities restricted access to the internet, according to accounts from Hengaw, residents, and internet shutdown observatory NetBlocks.

Women have played a prominent role in the protests, waving and burning their veils, with some cutting their hair in public.

In northern Iran, crowds armed with batons and rocks attacked two members of the security forces on a motorbike as a crowd cheered, according to footage which Reuters was unable to verify.
 
Veteran CNN journalist Christiane Amanpour cancelled an interview with Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi after he demanded she wear a headscarf for their meeting in New York.

Amanpour pointed out that no previous presidents had requested this when she interviewed them outside Iran.

She says a Raisi aide told her it was because of "the situation in Iran".

The death of a woman detained in Iran for allegedly breaking headscarf rules has sparked violent unrest there.

Mahsa Amini, 22, fell into a coma last week, hours after morality police arrested her.

Officers reportedly beat Ms Amini's head with a baton and banged her head against one of their vehicles. The police have said there is no evidence of any mistreatment and that she suffered "sudden heart failure".

The protests, now in their seventh day, have reached 80 other cities and towns in the Islamic Republic. At least 17 people have been killed.

The interview would have been Mr Raisi's first on US soil, during his visit to the UN General Assembly.

Amanpour said she had been ready to conduct it when one of the president's aides insisted she covered her hair at Mr Raisi's request.

"We are in New York, where there is no law or tradition regarding headscarves," she said later on Twitter.

Amanpour said Mr Raisi's aide had made it clear an interview would not happen if she did not wear a headscarf, saying it was "a matter of respect".

Her team walked away from the interview refusing what she called the "unprecedented and unexpected condition".

The US anchor later posted a picture of herself without a headscarf in front of an empty chair where Mr Raisi would have sat for their interview.

Mr Raisi was elected last year and signed an order in August to enforce a new list of restrictions.

These included the introduction of surveillance cameras to monitor and fine unveiled women or refer them for "counselling", and a mandatory prison sentence for any Iranian who questioned or posted content against the hijab (headscarf) rules online.

The restrictions led to an increase in arrests but also sparked a surge in women posting photos and videos of themselves without headscarves on social media - something that has only intensified in the days following Ms Amini's death.
 
What did this poor woman even do to get beaten to death by the so called morality police ? Because the head staff was 1 inch away from her hair ?

Why does Iran and Saudia Arabia even have such religious police in the first place ? It’s a pathetic waste of resources in this day of age.

It makes the country look extremely backwards to force women to wear the headscarf when many do not want to.
Just watching on social media you have Iranian regime thugs on their motorbikes just shooting at the protesters randomly. It’s only going to inflame the situation.
 
90MPH said:
What did this poor woman even do to get beaten to death by the so called morality police ? Because the head staff was 1 inch away from her hair ?

Why does Iran and Saudia Arabia even have such religious police in the first place ? It’s a pathetic waste of resources in this day of age.

It makes the country look extremely backwards to force women to wear the headscarf when many do not want to.
Just watching on social media you have Iranian regime thugs on their motorbikes just shooting at the protesters randomly. It’s only going to inflame the situation.
Click to expand...

Its Patriarchy and blatant misogyny. Women are to be controlled in every aspect of their lives so that men can feel comfortable.

The mere existence of moral police shows how brutal patriarchy is in Asia.
 
sweep_shot said:
CIA has a history of instigating stuffs in different countries. So, I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case.
Click to expand...

You think CIA has to come and tell Iranian women that they need to protest the death of the young woman?

There is no CIA or Yahoodi Saazish in this. Women in Iran are protesting for their basic rights.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Its Patriarchy and blatant misogyny. Women are to be controlled in every aspect of their lives so that men can feel comfortable.

The mere existence of moral police shows how brutal patriarchy is in Asia.
Click to expand...

Totally agree, it’s about control.

But it’s also really bad PR internationally when you mistreat women like this. Regardless she was wearing the headscarf but it wasn’t good enough for the “mortality police” because these jobworths have nothing better to do but to enforce and harass these draconian rules.
 
The videos coming out today of what’s going on iran are brutal. The regime ain’t messing around. Absolutely brutal videos . But they still fight back.
 
Champ_Pal said:
You think CIA has to come and tell Iranian women that they need to protest the death of the young woman?

There is no CIA or Yahoodi Saazish in this. Women in Iran are protesting for their basic rights.
Click to expand...

Iranians started it. But somebody else is running the show. It's obviously the left liberal media. Any possible way to destabilize will be utilized by Saudis , Israel, UK, USA, UAE. Could be anyone or all of them taking advantage of it. The Iranian leadership should identify that and nip it in the bud. A woman's hijab is not anyone's business and is not a national security issue.
 
 
 
Last edited:
Iran headscarf: Raisi says police custody death must be investigated

Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi has said the death of a woman in police custody must be investigated after it sparked widespread protests.

Speaking on a visit to the UN General Assembly in New York, Mr Raisi accused the West of hypocrisy for raising concerns over Mahsa Amini's death.

She died hours after morality police arrested her for allegedly breaking headscarf rules.

At least 17 people have died in the worst unrest in Iran for years.

Ms Amini, a Kurdish woman from the north-western city of Saqez, died in hospital in Tehran on Friday following three days in a coma.

Mr Raisi repeated a coroner's conclusion that the young woman had not been beaten. Iranian police said she had suffered "sudden heart failure".

Protesters reject the state's conclusions, pointing to reports that officers beat Ms Amini's head with a baton and banged her head against one of their vehicles.

The hard-line president warned the protesters that the "acts of chaos" were not acceptable.

He accused Western nations of "double standards", pointing to killings by police in the United Kingdom and the US.

"Every day in different countries, including the United States, we see men and women dying in police encounters, but there is no sensitivity about the cause and dealing with this violence," he added.

His shot back at the West came hours after the US announced sanctions to be placed on Iranian morality police.

The US treasury department said the sanctions were for the abuse of Iranian women and the violation of protesters' rights.

Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guard, which has close ties to the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, called on the judiciary to prosecute "those who spread false news and rumours" as part of apparent efforts to halt the momentum of the protests. The Guards also expressed sympathy for Ms Amini's family.

The protests have reached about 80 cities and towns. One person told BBC Persian her neighbourhood resembled a battlefield.

In an interview with BBC Persian, Ms Amini's father Amjad said he was not allowed by authorities to see all of her body after it had been wrapped for burial, when just her face and feet were visible.

"There were bruises on her feet," he said, adding that he had asked doctors to examine them but had never heard back.

Mr Amini also rejected claims from the interior minister and Tehran's director of forensic medicine that his daughter had had pre-existing health problems.

"They are lying," he said. "She has not been to any hospital at all in the past 22 years, other than for a few cold-related sicknesses."

The first protests took place after the funeral, when women were filmed waving their headscarves in the air and shouting "death to the dictator" - a chant often directed at the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Similar demonstrations were staged by students at several universities in Tehran, before the protests started spreading rapidly across the country.

"Now, we have seen so many men joining in and it has moved on from a protest against the compulsory hijab. It's now against the whole existence of the Islamic Republic," BBC Persian's Rana Rahimpour told the Today programme.

She added: "This is most serious challenge to the Islamic leadership of Iran that we have seen here in recent years."

The deadliest unrest has been concentrated in Iran's Kurdish-populated north-west, where Ms Amini lived.

Internet-monitoring group NetBlocks has reported that Iran is now subject to the most severe internet restrictions seen since mass anti-government erupted in November 2019. Mobile phone networks were largely shut down, internet service was disrupted during protests, and access to Instagram and WhatsApp were being restricted, it said.

BBC
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unbelievable scenes from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tehran?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Tehran</a>: a woman standing on a car, wearing western clothes, takes off her hijab and waves it in defiance at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Iran?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Iran</a>'s religious police.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MahsaAmini?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MahsaAmini</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IranProtests2022?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IranProtests2022</a><a href="https://t.co/iFs14IhXl7">pic.twitter.com/iFs14IhXl7</a></p>— Ahmed Quraishi (@_AhmedQuraishi) <a href="https://twitter.com/_AhmedQuraishi/status/1572950523052949504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
sweep_shot said:
CIA has a history of instigating stuffs in different countries. So, I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case.
Click to expand...

Yes they do. But as there is no evidence for that, the simpler explanation is that Iranian women are throwing off the malevolent patriarchal yoke. And not before time.
 
Robert said:
Yes they do. But as there is no evidence for that, the simpler explanation is that Iranian women are throwing off the malevolent patriarchal yoke. And not before time.
Click to expand...

His incel brain can’t cope with the fact that women are fighting and can fight for their right
 
 
Sidilicious said:
His incel brain can’t cope with the fact that women are fighting and can fight for their right
Click to expand...

Great to see the men sticking up for them too. Patriarchy forces men to behave in bad ways. People are sick of oppression.
 
Reminds me a bit of the Sarah Everard protests here.

But the stakes are a lot higher in Iran.

Solidarity with these brave women.

If they don't want to wear the head scarf then the state cannot force them and certainly cannot punish them.

I hope the Iranian government ( who despite their reputation in the West are a somewhat reasonable bunch) come to an agreement and remove the morality police.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Reminds me a bit of the Sarah Everard protests here.

But the stakes are a lot higher in Iran.

Solidarity with these brave women.

If they don't want to wear the head scarf then the state cannot force them and certainly cannot punish them.

I hope the Iranian government ( who despite their reputation in the West are a somewhat reasonable bunch) come to an agreement and remove the morality police.
Click to expand...

I am reading a bit about the hijab rules in Iran. Looks like they arent that strict at all as is being presented.
 
Robert said:
Yes they do. But as there is no evidence for that, the simpler explanation is that Iranian women are throwing off the malevolent patriarchal yoke. And not before time.
Click to expand...

There is always CIA involved in such protests. They want the return of their puppet Shah.
 
Madplayer said:
There is always CIA involved in such protests. They want the return of their puppet Shah.
Click to expand...

He’s been dead for forty years!

But if they are helping Iranian women to free themselves from shackles, they are doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.
 
Madplayer said:
I am reading a bit about the hijab rules in Iran. Looks like they arent that strict at all as is being presented.
Click to expand...

Our assessment of their strictness is irrelevant.

If the Iranian women don't want to wear it then that's all that matters.
 
Madplayer said:
There is always CIA involved in such protests. They want the return of their puppet Shah.
Click to expand...

Yeah. That's what I said.

America complains about Russian interference in their election. Have they seen themselves on the mirror? Their CIA always cause issues in other countries.

Iran should arrest these protesters. I think these protesters are small in numbers and media is exaggerating it.
 
sweep_shot said:
Yeah. That's what I said.

America complains about Russian interference in their election. Have they seen themselves on the mirror? Their CIA always cause issues in other countries.

Iran should arrest these protesters. I think these protesters are small in numbers and media is exaggerating it.
Click to expand...

Yeah, that’ll make you feel safe from those scary women again.
 
sweep_shot said:
Yeah. That's what I said.

America complains about Russian interference in their election. Have they seen themselves on the mirror? Their CIA always cause issues in other countries.

Iran should arrest these protesters. I think these protesters are small in numbers and media is exaggerating it.
Click to expand...

CIA are masters are exploiting on the ground tensions.

But lets not deny these tensions exist in the first place.

You can judge from the actions of the Iranian diaspora what the actual public mood is.

We can't complain about France/India forcing women to dress a certain way, and then complain when the Iranians do something similar.

Islam can't be forced in this way brother.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
CIA are masters are exploiting on the ground tensions.

But lets not deny these tensions exist in the first place.

You can judge from the actions of the Iranian diaspora what the actual public mood is.

We can't complain about France/India forcing women to dress a certain way, and then complain when the Iranians do something similar.

Islam can't be forced in this way brother.
Click to expand...

I am not talking about forcing. I agree with you Islam can't be forced.

But, this is about keeping societal peace.

These ladies are committing disorderly conducts and they should be penalized because of that.
 
So, if a person dies during arrest (which happens a lot in America), there will be protests like this?

How about punish those police officers responsible? Why block streets and cause disruptions?
 
sweep_shot said:
So, if a person dies during arrest (which happens a lot in America), there will be protests like this?

How about punish those police officers responsible? Why block streets and cause disruptions?
Click to expand...

Its not about the death. Its the reason for the arrest in the first place. Hijab must be a choice. It cannot be enforced.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unbelievable scenes from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tehran?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Tehran</a>: a woman standing on a car, wearing western clothes, takes off her hijab and waves it in defiance at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Iran?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Iran</a>'s religious police.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MahsaAmini?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MahsaAmini</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IranProtests2022?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IranProtests2022</a><a href="https://t.co/iFs14IhXl7">pic.twitter.com/iFs14IhXl7</a></p>— Ahmed Quraishi (@_AhmedQuraishi) <a href="https://twitter.com/_AhmedQuraishi/status/1572950523052949504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Click to expand...

Hope she does not get targeted by moral police.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Its not about the death. Its the reason for the arrest in the first place. Hijab must be a choice. It cannot be enforced.
Click to expand...

Law of the land. You should respect it.

Whether or not Hijab should be a choice should be determined by the government there.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">3)<br>Another woman, Hananeh Kia, 23 Yr old was shot by Iranian security forces while she was protesting over the murder of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MahsaAmini?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MahsaAmini</a> in Nowshar city. <br>She is one of the dozens of ppl lost their lives during the ongoing protests. The world must take action against our killers <a href="https://t.co/hNoBRknHpg">pic.twitter.com/hNoBRknHpg</a></p>— Masih Alinejad &#55356;&#57331;️ (@AlinejadMasih) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlinejadMasih/status/1573220810730635264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
sweep_shot said:
Law of the land. You should respect it.

Whether or not Hijab should be a choice should be determined by the government there.
Click to expand...

I would like to know if this was democratically voted on by the citizens to become "law of the land"

It is a ridiculous statement. Most of these countries are dictatorial societies. You cannot force hijab on someone in today's age, just like you should not be forcing one to NOT observe hijab. These countries are so stupid, they dont understand how these weaknesses can be exploited by those who wish their governments taken out. This is 2022, for God's sake, movements spread on social media like wild fire, it does not take much. Be smart, take care of your citizens, be fair, observe human rights, dont be an @$$. Its rather simple, isnt it?
 
SalimBhai said:
You really have a problem with women.Its not healthy
Click to expand...

I have a problem with misbehaving radical liberal women. Not all women.

I have a problem with unnecessary riot and unnecessary drama.

This protest really shouldn't happen. Those officers need to be punished if they are guilty. That's about it.
 
sweep_shot said:
I have a problem with misbehaving radical liberal women. Not all women.

I have a problem with unnecessary riot and unnecessary drama.

This protest really shouldn't happen. Those officers need to be punished if they are guilty. That's about it.
Click to expand...

They have a problem with misogynist, fascist society that thinks they should not be allowed to say or do what they want and judge them as misbehaving radical liberals.
 
sweep_shot said:
I have a problem with misbehaving radical liberal women. Not all women.

I have a problem with unnecessary riot and unnecessary drama.

This protest really shouldn't happen. Those officers need to be punished if they are guilty. That's about it.
Click to expand...


Problem with Liberal women? lol :)))
 
SalimBhai said:
Wooow. This protest is now multiple cities with many men and women in the streets. Hope it doe snot get violent and the regime does not brutally crush them. Seems people have had enough of moral police.
Click to expand...

The 2009 protests (might be messing year but was after an election) were much much bigger in scale and nothing changed.
 
Yes. As I stated earlier. I don’t think anything will change this time around also. The regime is too strong.
 
sweep_shot said:
I am not talking about forcing. I agree with you Islam can't be forced.

But, this is about keeping societal peace.

These ladies are committing disorderly conducts and they should be penalized because of that.
Click to expand...

Should Palestinians be killed on sight for any disorderly conduct like stone throwing or protests?
 
Policing of Women’s Dress - India vs Iran

One country is coming down hard on women wearing hijab in schools and not allowing them to do so.. other is coming hard on women not wearing hijab..

Why are despotic governments always policing what women wear?

Also funny to see hypocrisy of lot of Indians on this. They support the Iran situation but also support the Indian court rulings
 
Ahmad-GERMANFC said:
One country is coming down hard on women wearing hijab in schools and not allowing them to do so.. other is coming hard on women not wearing hijab..

Why are despotic governments always policing what women wear?

Also funny to see hypocrisy of lot of Indians on this. They support the Iran situation but also support the Indian court rulings
Click to expand...

Agreed. What about some people who say “ the women in iran should follow law of the land”. Does that appt to Muslim women in india also to follow law of the land??
 
sweep_shot said:
So, if a person dies during arrest (which happens a lot in America), there will be protests like this?

How about punish those police officers responsible? Why block streets and cause disruptions?
Click to expand...

Because your "benevolent patriarchy" will never punish the killers! Keeping women in their place is what the patriarchy wants.

How are you not getting this?
 
Robert said:
Because your "benevolent patriarchy" will never punish the killers! Keeping women in their place is what the patriarchy wants.

How are you not getting this?
Click to expand...

To go against is to go against the will of God
 
Ahmad-GERMANFC said:
Should Palestinians be killed on sight for any disorderly conduct like stone throwing or protests?
Click to expand...

There is a difference. Not the same thing.

Palestinians got kicked out of their own homelands. So, their fightback is entirely justified.

These ladies are in their own homeland causing troubles over a silly issue. If the officers are guilty, those officers need to be punished. Why protest and be disruptive over this?
 
sweep_shot said:
There is a difference. Not the same thing.

Palestinians got kicked out of their own homelands. So, their fightback is entirely justified.

These ladies are in their own homeland causing troubles over a silly issue. If the officers are guilty, those officers need to be punished. Why protest and be disruptive over this?
Click to expand...

Because the women don’t want to be pushed around and treated like animals
 
Robert said:
Because your "benevolent patriarchy" will never punish the killers! Keeping women in their place is what the patriarchy wants.

How are you not getting this?
Click to expand...

How are you sure about that?

If the investigation finds that officer wasn't responsible, officer should be let go.

Do you want the officer to be guilty no matter what? That's not reasonable.
 
sweep_shot said:
How are you sure about that?

If the investigation finds that officer wasn't responsible, officer should be let go.

Do you want the officer to be guilty no matter what? That's not reasonable.
Click to expand...

Why would the officer be not guilty. A young women died u see his supervision.
 
sweep_shot said:
There is a difference. Not the same thing.

Palestinians got kicked out of their own homelands. So, their fightback is entirely justified.

These ladies are in their own homeland causing troubles over a silly issue. If the officers are guilty, those officers need to be punished. Why protest and be disruptive over this?
Click to expand...

That way these Iranian women can also say that the ayatollahs forcibly took over control of their country so fight back is justified
 
Ahmad-GERMANFC said:
That way these Iranian women can also say that the ayatollahs forcibly took over control of their country so fight back is justified
Click to expand...

Ayatollahs are all native Iranians.

Zionists are mostly European Ashkenazi Jews.

I am not saying I support Ayatollahs as I am not a Shia (I am a Sunni). But, I am just saying they are native Iranians too.
 
sweep_shot said:
Ayatollahs are all native Iranians.

Zionists are mostly European Ashkenazi Jews.

I am not saying I support Ayatollahs as I am not a Shia (I am a Sunni). But, I am just saying they are native Iranians too.
Click to expand...



Would you be ok if the jews were only Mizrahi jews. Would then it would be ok?
 
@sweepshot
Question for you. Would you be ok with Indian government not allowing hijab in schools or no hijabs in schools in France under the rule of the land excuse???
 
sweep_shot said:
Ayatollahs are all native Iranians.

Zionists are mostly European Ashkenazi Jews.

I am not saying I support Ayatollahs as I am not a Shia (I am a Sunni). But, I am just saying they are native Iranians too.
Click to expand...

But they deposed off a liberal Shah and put in a fundamentalist as the head of the country.
 
Robert said:
The Shah wasn't a liberal, he was a despot.
Click to expand...

He was a corrupt despot but I suppose people were not being oppressed in the way they wanted to dress.
Most Iranians did not want a theocracy once they disposed of the Shah but that’s what happens with unintended consequences. A revolution took place to get rid of the corrupt secular government and in place you got something much more opressive and you can argue the corruption wasn’t repaired either, along with the sanctions that have only hurt the average citerzen.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

LordJames
Countdown to US attack on Iran
Replies
10
Views
353
Farhan The Man
F
Bhaijaan
Iran thanks Indian people for support in fight against US-Israel
Replies
72
Views
1K
Bhaijaan
Bhaijaan
Ball Blazer
Iran-Israel conflict 2025: Pakistan - the unexpected mediator between Israel/US and Iran?
Replies
6
Views
273
HalBass9
HalBass9
Bhaijaan
Pakistan will nuke Israel if it uses nuclear weapon against us, claims Iran
Replies
55
Views
1K
PakLFC
P
Bhaag Viru Bhaag
Missing Indian bride arrested for allegedly murdering husband on honeymoon
Replies
28
Views
652
Savak
Savak
Back
Top