The Iran Human Rights debate (Hijab/Political Victimization/Executions)

[world cup captain]

Not sure why some posters are surprised by the level of misogyny in Iran and even on this forum. A lot of countries that cannot separate religion from the government tend to fail to provide rights to their women.

Iran is in the headlines now but Pakistan isn't very far behind. We may not have the religious police like Iran, but we have enough radical mullas that equate women to nothing more than a sex object.

 

[SalimBhai]

He was a corrupt despot but I suppose people were not being oppressed in the way they wanted to dress.
Most Iranians did not want a theocracy once they disposed of the Shah but that’s what happens with unintended consequences. A revolution took place to get rid of the corrupt secular government and in place you got something much more opressive and you can argue the corruption wasn’t repaired either, along with the sanctions that have only hurt the average citerzen.

Well actually before the shah ( who was corrupt ) there was mossadeq a democratically elected secular PM. He was over thrown by CIA. After shah came the religious regime who are also corrupt and human rights abusers. Most educated people left once the regime came into power . Country with so many resources , an educated population but still not much to show for. A disgrace.

 

[SalimBhai]

Before the shah there was a democratically elected secular PM mossaddegh. He was kicked out by the power of CIA and the British.

 

[SalimBhai]

You never answered the question
@sweepshot
Question for you. Would you be ok with Indian government not allowing hijab in schools or no hijabs in schools in France under the rule of the land excuse???

 

[sweep_shot]

You never answered the question
@sweepshot
Question for you. Would you be ok with Indian government not allowing hijab in schools or no hijabs in schools in France under the rule of the land excuse???

I missed your question. Sorry.

Hijab or modest clothing is better than controversial clothes. I can't believe you compared the two.

I of course wouldn't be okay if modest clothing is banned. Decency should never be banned.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Some serious rebellion and this is open apostasy, so quite serious

 

[daytrader]

U.S. adjusts sanctions to help Iranians evade online surveillance, censorship
Public outrage in Iran over Amini's death showed no sign of abating after days of protests in Tehran and other cities

NEW YORK:
The U.S. Treasury Department on Friday issued guidance expanding the range of internet services available to Iranians despite U.S. sanctions on the country, amid protests around Iran following the death of a 22-year-old woman in custody.

Officials said the move would help Iranians access tools that can be used to circumvent state surveillance and censorship, but would not entirely prevent Tehran from using communications tools to stifle dissent, as it did by cutting off internet access for most citizens on Wednesday.

“As courageous Iranians take to the streets to protest the death of Mahsa Amini, the United States is redoubling its support for the free flow of information to the Iranian people,” Deputy Treasury Secretary Wally Adeyemo said.

"With these changes, we are helping the Iranian people be better equipped to counter the government’s efforts to surveil and censor them."

Adeyemo added that Washington in coming weeks would continue to issue guidance.

Public outrage in Iran over Amini's death last week showed no sign of abating after days of protests in Tehran and other cities, with protesters torching police stations and vehicles earlier on Thursday and reports of security forces coming under attack.

Amini, a Kurdish woman, was arrested by the morality police in Tehran for wearing "unsuitable attire" and fell into a coma while in detention. The authorities have said they would investigate the cause of her death.

Internet monitoring group NetBlocks on Thursday said a new mobile internet disruption has been registered in Iran, where access to social media and some content is tightly restricted. NetBlocks reported "near-total" disruption to internet connectivity in the capital of the Kurdish region on Monday, linking it to the protests.

Washington has long provided some internet-related exceptions to its sanctions on Iran, but Friday's update to the general license seeks to modernize them, the Treasury said.

The new license includes social media platforms and video conferencing and expands access to cloud-based services used to deliver virtual private networks (VPNs), which provide users with anonymity online, and other anti-surveillance tools, according to a Treasury official, who briefed reporters on the license on condition of anonymity.

The license also continues to authorize anti-virus, anti-malware and anti-tracking software, the Treasury said, and removes a previous condition that communications be "personal" to ease compliance for companies.

Asked how the expanded license would help Iranians if their government again shuts down internet access, a State Department official also briefing reporters said Iran's government would still have "repressive tools for communication."

The new license makes it "easier for the Iranian people to confront some of those oppressive tools," the official said. "It doesn't mean that they don't exist anymore."

SpaceX CEO Elon Musk responded to a Twitter post from Secretary of State Antony Blinken about the new license on Friday with the comment "Activating Starlink," a reference to the firm's satellite broadband service - already provided to Ukraine for its fight against Russia's invasion.

Musk said on Monday his company would provide Starlink to Iranians, and would ask for a sanctions exception to do so.

The Treasury official briefing reporters said: "Our understanding of Starlink is that what they provide would be commercial grade, and it would be hardware that's not covered in the general license; so that would be something they would need to write into Treasury for."

A State Department spokesperson later said of Friday's updated license that it was self-executing and that "anyone who meets the criteria outlined in this general license can proceed with their activities without requesting additional permissions."

The State Department spokesperson added that if SpaceX were to determine that some activity aimed at Iranians requires a specific license, "OFAC would welcome it and prioritize it".

"By the same token, if SpaceX determines that its activity is already authorized and has any questions, OFAC also welcomes that engagement," the State Department spokesperson said.

Express Tribune

 

[Madplayer]

He’s been dead for forty years!

But if they are helping Iranian women to free themselves from shackles, they are doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.

CIA so good they can reincarnate poeple from the dead now

:Facepalm:
His descendants are being propped up on social media since years.

 

[Madplayer]

Our assessment of their strictness is irrelevant.

If the Iranian women don't want to wear it then that's all that matters.

It's an Islamic republic. What do they expect? There is no way to establish how many Irani women dont want it anyway. There have been counter protests now. What about them?

And its incredible how the west has now suddenly lent their support after starving the same population for decades. Even Israel has come out in support of protests. Anyone with two braincells will understand whats going on. Individual crimes by the state never draw calls for overthrowing of the state itself in non-muslim nations. But in muslim nations, if someone sneezes the international media and west's local stooges start calling for revolution and anarchy.

 

[Robert]

It's an Islamic republic. What do they expect? There is no way to establish how many Irani women dont want it anyway. There have been counter protests now. What about them?

And its incredible how the west has now suddenly lent their support after starving the same population for decades. Even Israel has come out in support of protests. Anyone with two braincells will understand whats going on. Individual crimes by the state never draw calls for overthrowing of the state itself in non-muslim nations. But in muslim nations, if someone sneezes the international media and west's local stooges start calling for revolution and anarchy.

Unsure how the West is lending support, except offering praise for the brave women.

If Iran liberalises with regard to women, they will be brought back into the fold by the West instead of ostracised. Pluralist democracies reach out to each other.

Societies can evolve rather than revolt. Ireland saw the power of the clergy reduced since 1990, to the good of the people, with no loss of blood.

 

[MenInG]

The US says it will ease internet curbs on Iran to counter Tehran's clampdown on protests which were sparked by a woman's death in police custody.

"We are going to help make sure the Iranian people are not kept isolated and in the dark," said US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken.

The relaxation of software controls will allow American tech firms to expand their business in Iran.

At least 35 people have been killed in the worst unrest in Iran for years.

Mahsa Amini, 22, fell into a coma last week, hours after morality police arrested her for allegedly breaking headscarf rules.

Officers reportedly beat Ms Amini's head with a baton and banged her head against one of their vehicles. The police have said there is no evidence of any mistreatment and that she suffered "sudden heart failure".

Anti-government protests continued for an eight straight night on Friday, while pro-regime rallies also took place in Tehran and other cities.

Mr Blinken said the partial relaxation of internet restrictions was a "concrete step to provide meaningful support to Iranians demanding that their basic rights be respected". It was clear, he added, that the Iranian government was "afraid of its own people".

What's going on with Iran and the internet?
The US treasury said the move would help counter the Iranian government's attempt to "surveil and censor" its people.

But it is unlikely to have an immediate impact as it "does not remove every tool of communications repression".

Billionaire Elon Musk said on Twitter that he would activate his satellite internet firm, Starlink, to provide internet services to Iran in response to Mr Blinken's announcement.

Starlink provides internet services via a huge network of satellites and is aimed at people who live in remote areas who cannot get high-speed internet.

US officials said that the updated license did not cover hardware supplied by Mr Musk but his firm and others were welcome to apply for permission to the treasury.

Footage shared on social media on Friday showed large crowds of protesters gather in several Tehran neighbourhoods after dark, while other incidents occurred elsewhere the country. In the protests women have defiantly taken off their hijabs and burned them, or cut off their hair in front of cheering crowds.

While spreading across much of the country, many of the early protests were concentrated in western Iran, particularly areas with large Kurdish populations, the group Ms Amini belonged to.

On Friday, reports emerged from Oshnavieh, in Iran's West Azerbaijan Province, which borders Kurdistan, showing widespread protests, as well as suggestions demonstrators had taken control of large parts of the city. The BBC was unable to confirm this.

Videos posted from Oshnavieh showed large crowds of people marching through city streets with no police presence, while loud explosions could be heard.

BBC

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It's an Islamic republic. What do they expect? There is no way to establish how many Irani women dont want it anyway. There have been counter protests now. What about them?

And its incredible how the west has now suddenly lent their support after starving the same population for decades. Even Israel has come out in support of protests. Anyone with two braincells will understand whats going on. Individual crimes by the state never draw calls for overthrowing of the state itself in non-muslim nations. But in muslim nations, if someone sneezes the international media and west's local stooges start calling for revolution and anarchy.

If there are protests and counter protests to me it makes sense to let people decide individually whether they want to wear it or not.

Lets put the international media to the side. We all know their aims and agendas.

Do you think a government should force headscarf on its citizens?

 

[TM Riddle]

If there are protests and counter protests to me it makes sense to let people decide individually whether they want to wear it or not.

Lets put the international media to the side. We all know their aims and agendas.

Do you think a government should force headscarf on its citizens?

Being a theocracy I believe the Govt has every right to impose the scarf. Probably should protest to change the current system if Iranian wokes don't like it .

 

[Zaz]

America should mind its own business and keep out of the affairs of soverign countries

Theyve destabilised the world enough over the last century

As far as this hijab policy is concerned its silly to enforce it and something surely that the govt need to be bin

 

[MenInG]

Iran's president says protesters should be "dealt with decisively" following nationwide anti-government unrest sparked by the death of a young woman in police custody.

Authorities have been cracking down for days on demonstrators who are angry over the death of 22-year-old Mahsa Amini. She had been arrested for allegedly wearing "unsuitable attire".

Iranian state TV suggests 26 protesters and police have been killed since violence erupted last weekend. Other reports put the figure as high as 35.

President Ebrahim Raisi said Iran must "deal decisively with those who oppose the country's security and tranquility", state media reported.

State-organised rallies took place in several Iranian cities on Friday to counter the anti-government demonstrations, and the army has promised to confront "the enemies" behind the unrest.

Mr Raisi's comments were made in a condolence phone call to the family of a security agent stabbed to death in the northeastern city of Mashhad, allegedly by protesters against the regime.

The president "stressed the necessity to distinguish between protest and disturbing public order and security, and called the events... a riot", according to state media.

Iran protests: Who was Mahsa Amini, why are women cutting their hair and how big are the demonstrations?

Protesters chant slogans during a protest over the death of Mahsa Amini who was detained by the morality police, in downtown Tehran, Iran
Commander stabbed during protests in Iran over woman's death

The morality police detained Ms Amini last week, saying she did not properly cover her hair with a headscarf - known as the hijab - which is mandatory for Iranian women.

Ms Amini, who was Kurdish, collapsed at a police station in the capital Tehran, fell into a coma, and died three days later in hospital on Friday 16 September.

Authorities said she allegedly had a heart attack but her family reportedly said she had no history of heart disease.

And according to her father, Ms Amini suffered bruising to her legs while in custody. He has said he holds the police responsible for her death.

During the street protests, women have played a prominent role, challenging the country's Islamic dress code, and waving and burning their veils.

Some have publicly cut their hair as furious crowds called for the fall of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

The protests have spread to most of the country's 31 provinces, including Tehran.

Iran's police chief Hossein Ashtari has issued a tough message in an attempt to stop the demonstrations.

"The people's security is our red line," he told state TV.

"Those involved in sabotage and creating insecurity based on directives from outside the country should know that they will be strongly dealt with."

The morality police are attached to Iran's law enforcement, and their role is to ensure the respect of Islamic morals as described by the country's clerical authorities.

The anti-government protests are not expected to pose an immediate threat to the rulers, whose security forces have crushed similar demonstrations in recent years, analysts say.

But the protests have clearly made authorities nervous.

SKY

 

[Robert]

:Facepalm:
His descendants are being propped up on social media since years.

I'm sure the Iranians don't want them back. People have agency.

 

[SalimBhai]

I missed your question. Sorry.

Hijab or modest clothing is better than controversial clothes. I can't believe you compared the two.

I of course wouldn't be okay if modest clothing is banned. Decency should never be banned.

But you justified what’s going on in iran as “rule of the land”. So if france or india does it “ rule of the land “ does not apply it seems. Do you see the hypocrisy ??

 

[SalimBhai]

But you justified what is going on in iran as rule of the land. So if france or india does it rule of the land does not apply it seems. Do you see the hypocrisy ??

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Wow feminists crying, that’s something new. Never saw that before

Tbh there’s a reason why jahannum is filled with women as per hadeeth, they always want to promote haram and fight against Islamic legislations

 

[sweep_shot]

Wow feminists crying, that’s something new. Never saw that before

Tbh there’s a reason why jahannum is filled with women as per hadeeth, they always want to promote haram and fight against Islamic legislations

I think women tend to fall for gimmicks/fads more than men. Radical feminism is just another phony gimmick.

I have a feeling this protest is being instigated from the outside. Iran needs to identify the spies/instigators and deal with them.

 

[SalimBhai]

@sweepshot
You never clarified, why the double standards to law of the land

 

[SalimBhai]

I think women tend to fall for gimmicks/fads more than men. Radical feminism is just another phony gimmick.

I have a feeling this protest is being instigated from the outside. Iran needs to identify the spies/instigators and deal with them.

Dude everyone knows women in Iran sick and tired of being treated like trash. Hence the protests. There is not outside or jewish conspiracies. People did not come from outside and mandated that you treat women like trash. The regime did that.

 

[daytrader]

Iran summons British ambassador to protest over media coverage of Mahsa Amini unrest

Iran has summoned Britian's ambassador to protest what it says is a hostile atmosphere created by London-based Farsi language media, amid international outcry over the death of Mahsa Amini in police custody.

The death of the 22-year-old after being detained for allegedly wearing her hijab headscarf too loosely has sparked protests in dozens of towns and cities across the country including the capital, Tehran.

The Iranian Foreign Ministry's website said it summoned Simon Shercliff, the UK's ambassador to Iran, on Saturday and protested the hosting of critical Farsi-language media outlets.

The ministry alleges the news outlets have provoked disturbances and the spread of riots in Iran at the top of their programmes.

Iran said it considers the news agencies' reporting to be interferening in Iran's internal affairs and acts against its sovereignty.

The state-run IRNA news agency reported that Norway's ambassador to Iran has also been summoned and strongly protested recent remarks by the president of the Norwegian parliament, Masud Gharahkhani.

Many Iranians, particularly the young, have come to see Miss Amini's death as part of the Islamic Republic's heavy-handed policing of dissent and the morality police's increasingly violent treatment of young women.

A spokesperson for the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office said: "The UK ambassador spoke with the Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs to hear their complaints about media reporting in the UK.

"The UK is a fierce champion of media freedom and proud member of the Media Freedom Coalition.

"We condemn the Iranian authorities' crackdown on protestors, journalists and internet freedom."

The protests over her death are the most serious in the repressive country since 2019, when demonstrations erupted over a government hike in the price of gasoline.

Iran's president says protesters should be "dealt with decisively" as authorities seek to crack down on unrest.

MSN

 

[Champ_Pal]

Hoping this brings a regime change in Iran. Democracy for the win.

 

[sweep_shot]

Hoping this brings a regime change in Iran. Democracy for the win.

LOL. Are you saying a bunch of radical liberal women are going to topple Iranian regime?

Do you think they are Avengers (Scarlett Witch, Black Widow etc.)?

 

[Robert]

LOL. Are you saying a bunch of radical liberal women are going to topple Iranian regime?

Do you think they are Avengers (Scarlett Witch, Black Widow etc.)?

They can put a crack in it. As the Suffragettes did in UK in 1916.

 

[sweep_shot]

They can put a crack in it. As the Suffragettes did in UK in 1916.

Unlikely to happen.

Only way things can change is if Americans attack Iran (which is unlikely currently). I doubt Americans want thousands of dead soldiers and more debt.

 

[sweep_shot]

Iran protests: Raisi to 'deal decisively' with widespread unrest

Iran's president has vowed to take action against protesters after more than a week of anti-government demonstrations.

President Ebrahim Raisi pledged to "deal decisively" with the protests, which have now spread to most of Iran's 31 provinces.

Officials say some 35 people have been killed since protests broke out over the death of Mahsa Amini in police custody.

Clashes continue in several cities.

Ms Amini had been detained for allegedly breaking headscarf rules. Officers reportedly beat her head with a baton and banged her head against one of their vehicles. The police have said there is no evidence of any mistreatment and that she suffered "sudden heart failure".

And while Mr Raisi says her death will be investigated, his Interior Minister Ahmad Vahidi has insisted that Ms Amini was not beaten.

"Reports from oversight bodies were received, witnesses were interviewed, videos were reviewed, forensic opinions were obtained and it was found that there had been no beating," he said.

Videos circulating on social media have captured violent unrest in dozens of cities across the country over the past few days, with some showing security forces firing what appeared to be live ammunition on protesters in the north-western cities of Piranshahr, Mahabad and Urmia.

More clashes in several cities, including the capital Tehran, were reported on Saturday. Demonstrators are reported to be spreading out to avoid congregating in a single place.

New images have also appeared on social media showing protesters hurling petrol bombs at the security forces.

Meanwhile reformist group the Union of Islamic Iran People's Party has called for the mandatory dress code to be repealed and for "peaceful demonstrations" to be allowed.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63021113.

Good from the government. It is time to stop these jobless bums from causing anarchy.

 

[sweep_shot]

Pro-government rallies held in Iran amid mass protests

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — Iranian counterprotesters gathered across the country on Friday in a show of support for authorities after nearly a week of anti-government protests and unrest over the death of a young woman who was being held by the morality police.

Thousands attended a rally in the capital, Tehran, where they waved Iranian flags, and similar demonstrations were held in other cities. The government claimed the demonstrations of support were spontaneous. Similar rallies have been held during past periods of widespread protests.

The pro-government demonstrators chanted against America and Israel, according to state media, reflecting the official line that blames the latest unrest on hostile foreign countries.

State TV suggested late on Friday that the death toll from this week’s unrest could be as high as 35, raising an earlier estimate of 26. Anti-government protesters and security forces have clashed in several major cities in the most severe political violence since 2019, when rights groups say hundreds were killed amid demonstrations against a hike in state-controlled gasoline prices.

Iran has also disrupted internet access and tightened restrictions on popular platforms like Instagram and WhatsApp, which can be used to organize rallies.

Source: https://apnews.com/article/iran-middle-east-tehran-fe87c437becc7060075695b87e07a33d.

[MENTION=156243]Champ_Pal[/MENTION]

See? Not everyone supports these radical liberal protesters. Radical liberals are actually in the minorities.

 

[SalimBhai]

Sweepshot
Rule of the land rule. Only applies to iran. Or does it apply to france and India also

 

[sweep_shot]

Sweepshot
Rule of the land rule. Only applies to iran. Or does it apply to france and India also

I have already clarified that.

Modest clothing > controversial clothing.

Banning controversial clothing is justified. Banning modest clothing isn't.

Don't derail the thread.

 

[SalimBhai]

Who makes with that decision. I am not derailing the topic. You don’t have an answer. Unless you want to be a hypocrite . You are ok with one nation enforcing what a Women wears and and not ok with france or India who do something similar. That’s pure hypocritical of you.

 

[sweep_shot]

Who makes with that decision. I am not derailing the topic. You don’t have an answer. Unless you want to be a hypocrite . You are ok with one nation enforcing what a Women wears and and not ok with france or India who do something similar. That’s pure hypocritical of you.

Not hypocrisy. Just common sense.

Do you think banning traditional marriage and banning "marriage with animals" are the same thing?

One is absurd and another is not.

 

[SalimBhai]

Not hypocrisy. Just common sense.

Do you think banning traditional marriage and banning "marriage with animals" are the same thing?

One is absurd and another is not.

I see you have run out of points to make. That’s an absurd comparison. Your ability not be able to answer the question is enough for me. Thank you

 

[SalimBhai]

Not hypocrisy. Just common sense.

Do you think banning traditional marriage and banning "marriage with animals" are the same thing?

One is absurd and another is not.

Women not eating a hijab makes them an animal now according to you. . First it was bikinis and now not wasting a hijab

 

[sweep_shot]

Women not eating a hijab makes them an animal now according to you. . First it was bikinis and now not wasting a hijab

I didn't say that. I gave an example. Anyway. We are going off-topic. Let's stick to Iran issue.

 

[90MPH]

I didn't say that. I gave an example. Anyway. We are going off-topic. Let's stick to Iran issue.

I just find it strange that there are so many Pakistanis living in the secular west who love or defend this hardline Iranian mullah type government but any Iranian I have met hates the guts of their government and the main is the restrictions they put on their daily lives.

 

[SalimBhai]

I am not defending Ayatollahs; I am not a Shia.

I am simply opposing phony radical liberal/feminist protesters.

Why you call the phony? They have real grievances. It’s happening in multiple cities.

 

[SalimBhai]

I just find it strange that there are so many Pakistanis living in the secular west who love or defend this hardline Iranian mullah type government but any Iranian I have met hates the guts of their government and the main is the restrictions they put on their daily lives.

Overseas Pakistanis have not experienced what it is like living under a fascist regime. Hence the nostalgic appreciation for it. Iranian have hence the total disgust for their regime.

 

[Robert]

I just find it strange that there are so many Pakistanis living in the secular west who love or defend this hardline Iranian mullah type government but any Iranian I have met hates the guts of their government and the main is the restrictions they put on their daily lives.

Because the West tolerates their freedom of worship, while allowing them freedoms they would never have in a mullah state.

 

[Robert]

Why you call the phony? They have real grievances. It’s happening in multiple cities.

Denying the agency of women once again. Malevolent patriarchy.

 

[sweep_shot]

Why you call the phony? They have real grievances. It’s happening in multiple cities.

There are counter-protests too.

These phony feminists are in the minorities.

 

[SalimBhai]

Stop calling them phony. It’s happening in multiple cities with thousands of people in the streets. Many have been killed by the regime. So I would go out on a limb and say. The protests are real. Talking about the counter protests. Have you heard the news about the regime photoshopping the photos of counter protests to make the crowd look larger. I can embed the photo here. But it’s making the rounds in the news.

 

[SalimBhai]

There are counter-protests too.

These phony feminists are in the minorities.
The truth is that you're afraid to confront the possibility that your worldview is fallible, so you hide from introspection by dismissing conflicting opinions as hateful rather than engage with them and risk coming face to face with the inadequacies of your perception

 

[SalimBhai]

At least 450 people have been arrested in Mazandaran, a northern province of Iran, during the last 10 days of protests, according to the province’s chief prosecutor.
Protests sparked by the death in police custody of 22-year-old Mahsa Amini have spread across the country. They have been met with internet shutdowns and violent repression.
The official death toll in the unrest is 41, and human rights groups say the true number may be higher.
Amnesty International said at least four children had been killed by state forces since the beginning of the protests. It described a “harrowing pattern” of “deliberate and unlawful firing of live ammunition at protesters”.

Heba Morayef, Amnesty’s Middle East and north Africa director, said: “The rising death toll is an alarming indication of just how ruthless the authorities’ assault on human life has been under the darkness of the internet shutdown.”
Amini was visiting Tehran when she was arrested by morality police who took issue with the way she had veiled her hair. While the police maintain she died of natural causes, her family say she was tortured and killed.
“During the journey to the police station she was tortured and insulted,” Amini’s cousin Erfan Mortezaei told Sky News. “She suffered a concussion from a blow to the head. There is a report from Kasra hospital [in Tehran] that says effectively by the time she reached the hospital she was already dead from a medical point of view.”

Despite efforts to stop Iranians from accessing apps such as Instagram and WhatsApp, videos of people allegedly killed during the protests have been spreading on social media.
Among them is a video of Hadis Najafi, 20, from the city of Karaj, who is said to have been killed by six bullets fired by state forces. The viral video, which is said to be the last showing the young woman alive, captures Najafi tying up her exposed hair before joining a protest.
Parents of young people killed during the protests have expressed disappointment at the response from the international community. “People expect the UN to defend us and the protesters,” said the father of 21-year-old Milan Haghigi, quoted by Amnesty International. “I too can condemn [the Iranian authorities], the whole world can condemn them, but to what end this condemnation?”

 

[sweep_shot]

At least 450 people have been arrested in Mazandaran, a northern province of Iran, during the last 10 days of protests, according to the province’s chief prosecutor.
Protests sparked by the death in police custody of 22-year-old Mahsa Amini have spread across the country. They have been met with internet shutdowns and violent repression.
The official death toll in the unrest is 41, and human rights groups say the true number may be higher.
Amnesty International said at least four children had been killed by state forces since the beginning of the protests. It described a “harrowing pattern� of “deliberate and unlawful firing of live ammunition at protesters�.

Heba Morayef, Amnesty’s Middle East and north Africa director, said: “The rising death toll is an alarming indication of just how ruthless the authorities’ assault on human life has been under the darkness of the internet shutdown.�
Amini was visiting Tehran when she was arrested by morality police who took issue with the way she had veiled her hair. While the police maintain she died of natural causes, her family say she was tortured and killed.
“During the journey to the police station she was tortured and insulted,� Amini’s cousin Erfan Mortezaei told Sky News. “She suffered a concussion from a blow to the head. There is a report from Kasra hospital [in Tehran] that says effectively by the time she reached the hospital she was already dead from a medical point of view.�

Despite efforts to stop Iranians from accessing apps such as Instagram and WhatsApp, videos of people allegedly killed during the protests have been spreading on social media.
Among them is a video of Hadis Najafi, 20, from the city of Karaj, who is said to have been killed by six bullets fired by state forces. The viral video, which is said to be the last showing the young woman alive, captures Najafi tying up her exposed hair before joining a protest.
Parents of young people killed during the protests have expressed disappointment at the response from the international community. “People expect the UN to defend us and the protesters,� said the father of 21-year-old Milan Haghigi, quoted by Amnesty International. “I too can condemn [the Iranian authorities], the whole world can condemn them, but to what end this condemnation?�

450 arrests. Good.

Time to arrest these unproductive bums.

 

[Realromeo]

Harping on 1000+ year old religious laws in this day and night is pretty silly and a joke.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I have already clarified that.

Modest clothing > controversial clothing.

Banning controversial clothing is justified. Banning modest clothing isn't.

Don't derail the thread.

What is controversial for you may be cultural and traditional for others. Let people decide.

 

[sweep_shot]

What is controversial for you may be cultural and traditional for others. Let people decide.

Iranian government has already decided. So did counter-protesters.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Iranian government has already decided. So did counter-protesters.

Theocratic government is a joke.

If you abide by Government’s ruling, then do you agree on the France’s ban of burqa and hijab at the beach?
Do you support Government of countries banning Muslim women attire in public and government offices?

 

[sweep_shot]

Theocratic government is a joke.

So, if you do not agree with something, it is a joke?

Does everything have to revolve around your liking or disliking?

 

[SalimBhai]

He is asking you a fair question. If you are ok with iran, why not france or India. It’s exactly the same thing

 

[SalimBhai]

So, if you do not agree with something, it is a joke?

Does everything have to revolve around your liking or disliking?

could not the same be said about your views???

 

[MenInG]

Ok Salim Bhai and sweepshot - pls give it a rest in this thread.

No new info is being shared and discussion going in circles.

 

[MenInG]

Protests in Paris over the death of Iranian woman Mahsa Amini at the hands of the police

Thousands of Iranians have taken to the streets to protest the death last week of Mahsa Amini, a 22-year-old woman who was arrested in Tehran and taken to a re-education center for not wearing the hijab properly.

 

[sweep_shot]

Protests in Paris over the death of Iranian woman Mahsa Amini at the hands of the police

Thousands of Iranians have taken to the streets to protest the death last week of Mahsa Amini, a 22-year-old woman who was arrested in Tehran and taken to a re-education center for not wearing the hijab properly.

There is protest in France now.

How are they sure this lady died due to police? What if she had a panic attack and a heart attack naturally? Investigation should be over first.

 

[Champ_Pal]

A 22 year old with heart attack? Her father said that she had no history of any illness. She got beat up by the police and she went into cardiac arrest.

 

[MenInG]

At least 76 protesters have been killed by Iranian security forces during 11 days of unrest sparked by the death of a woman in custody, activists say.

Iran Human Rights (IHR), a Norway-based organisation, accused authorities of using disproportionate force and live ammunition to suppress the dissent.

State media have put the number of dead at 41, including several security personnel, and blamed "rioters".

Hundreds of people have also been arrested, 20 of them journalists.

"The risk of torture and ill-treatment of protesters is serious and the use of live ammunition against protesters is an international crime," said IHR's director Mahmood Amiry-Moghaddam. "The world must defend the Iranian people's demands for their fundamental rights."

The UN human rights office also said it was very concerned by the authorities' violent response and urged them to respect the right to protest peacefully.

 

[MenInG]

Iran's national team wore jackets to cover up their country's symbols before a friendly with Senegal on Tuesday to protest against the brutal repression of women in the Middle East country.

Iran has been engulfed by mass demonstrations in recent days after 22-year-old woman Mahsa Amini died in custody while she was being detained by the so-called morality police for breaking the country’s strict Islamic dress code.

The growing anger was mirrored on the football stage in Austria when the Iranian players stayed covered up while anthems were played before the start of their friendly international, which was staged at Admira Wacker's ground in Modling. The match ended in a 1-1 draw.

England manager Gareth Southgate and his assistant Steve Holland were in the stadium on a scouting mission ahead of their World Cup opener in November 21.

Among the players protesting was Bayer Leverkusen forward Sardar Azmoun, who had earlier expressed solidarity on Instagram with Iranian demonstrators saying: “The ultimate [punishment] is to be kicked out of the national team, which is a small price to pay for even a single strand of Iranian women’s hair. Shame on you for easily killing the people and viva women of Iran. Long live Iranian women!”

 

[sweep_shot]

At least 76 protesters have been killed by Iranian security forces during 11 days of unrest sparked by the death of a woman in custody, activists say.

Iran Human Rights (IHR), a Norway-based organisation, accused authorities of using disproportionate force and live ammunition to suppress the dissent.

State media have put the number of dead at 41, including several security personnel, and blamed "rioters".

Hundreds of people have also been arrested, 20 of them journalists.

"The risk of torture and ill-treatment of protesters is serious and the use of live ammunition against protesters is an international crime," said IHR's director Mahmood Amiry-Moghaddam. "The world must defend the Iranian people's demands for their fundamental rights."

The UN human rights office also said it was very concerned by the authorities' violent response and urged them to respect the right to protest peacefully.

76 deaths!

These protesters should call it a day. Go for other peaceful options (social media awareness, activism etc.).

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

76 deaths!

These protesters should call it a day. Go for other peaceful options (social media awareness, activism etc.).

On the contrary, the protests were justified. No one should be killed for not wearing a headscarf correctly, that a further 76 have been killed in protests shows how badly run the establishment is in Iran.

 

[sweep_shot]

On the contrary, the protests were justified. No one should be killed for not wearing a headscarf correctly, that a further 76 have been killed in protests shows how badly run the establishment is in Iran.

This is Iran we are talking about.

Iran doesn't play around. It is better to stay alive and do activism then to do protest and get killed.

My point is this strategy is unlikely to work.

 

[Champ_Pal]

76 deaths!

These protesters should call it a day. Go for other peaceful options (social media awareness, activism etc.).

Shameful Moral police killing innocents. People are protesting because they do not want the draconian moral police brigade.

 

[Robert]

This is Iran we are talking about.

Iran doesn't play around. It is better to stay alive and do activism then to do protest and get killed.

“Fear the day when [wo]man will not suffer and die for a concept”.

- John Steinbeck

 

[sweep_shot]

“Fear the day when [wo]man will not suffer and die for a concept”.

- John Steinbeck

This quote is not applicable to Iran. Iran is a different place.

How many protests has Iran crushed in recent times? Check.

 

[MenInG]

Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe, a British-Iranian national who spent six years in jail in Iran, has cut her hair in solidarity with Iranian protesters.

Iran has seen nearly two weeks of demonstrations over the death of a young woman in police custody.

Mahsa Amini, 22, died after allegedly breaching rules requiring women to cover their hair with a hijab.

In line with protesters in Iran, Ms Zaghari-Ratcliffe is seen cutting her hair in footage give to BBC Persian.

At the end of the video, she says: "For my mother, for my daughter, for the fear of solitary confinement, for the women of my country, for freedom."

Ms Zaghari-Ratcliffe was arrested in Iran in 2016 on spying charges which she denied.

BBC

 

[Robert]

This quote is not applicable to Iran. Iran is a different place.

How many protests has Iran crushed in recent times? Check.

Steinbeck was talking about all of history. Every war ever fought. Every strike against oppressive government. So his quote is universally applicable.

 

[James]

Iran's national team wore jackets to cover up their country's symbols before a friendly with Senegal on Tuesday to protest against the brutal repression of women in the Middle East country.

Iran has been engulfed by mass demonstrations in recent days after 22-year-old woman Mahsa Amini died in custody while she was being detained by the so-called morality police for breaking the country’s strict Islamic dress code.

The growing anger was mirrored on the football stage in Austria when the Iranian players stayed covered up while anthems were played before the start of their friendly international, which was staged at Admira Wacker's ground in Modling. The match ended in a 1-1 draw.

England manager Gareth Southgate and his assistant Steve Holland were in the stadium on a scouting mission ahead of their World Cup opener in November 21.

Among the players protesting was Bayer Leverkusen forward Sardar Azmoun, who had earlier expressed solidarity on Instagram with Iranian demonstrators saying: “The ultimate [punishment] is to be kicked out of the national team, which is a small price to pay for even a single strand of Iranian women’s hair. Shame on you for easily killing the people and viva women of Iran. Long live Iranian women!”

Good stuff from the Iranian footballers!

 

[MenInG]

Taliban forces fired shots into the air on Thursday to disperse a women's rally supporting protests in Iran over the death of a woman in the custody of morality police.

Deadly protests have erupted in neighbouring Iran for the past two weeks, following the death of 22-year-old Mahsa Amini while detained by the Islamic republic's morality police.

Chanting the same “Women, life, freedom” mantra used in Iran, about 25 Afghan women protested in front of Kabul's Iranian embassy before being dispersed by Taliban forces firing in the air, an AFP correspondent reported.

 

[MenInG]

Iran's president has warned that he will not accept "chaos", as authorities continue to crack down on protests that have swept across the country since the death in custody of a young woman.

Ebrahim Raisi said Mahsa Amini's death two weeks ago, after she was detained by morality police, had "saddened all".

But he added that his government "[could] not allow people to disturb the peace of society through riots".

Fresh unrest was reported on Wednesday night amid a mounting death toll.

State media have said that 41 people, including security personnel, have been killed and that more than 1,200 have been arrested.

One human rights group has said at least 76 protesters have been killed by security forces, whom it has accused of using disproportionate force and live ammunition to suppress peaceful dissent.

BBC

 

[GenericBrand]

I just find it strange that there are so many Pakistanis living in the secular west who love or defend this hardline Iranian mullah type government but any Iranian I have met hates the guts of their government and the main is the restrictions they put on their daily lives.

Yeh I tend to have the same experience with the Persians here in Canada, they're pretty secular. I always assume its the ones who's parents/grandparents were able to escape before the Theocracy took over. Could never tell if they were practicing but I know some of them have gone back to Iran to visit

I remember when I was quite young we had a plumber who helped us fix our kitchen counters, sinks etc. Was an entire day's job and over the day my father learnt he was from Iran and they got to talking. Very quiet and reserved guy who slowly opened up over the day since my father is quite the talkative person and he slowly revealed how its only him and his wife living in Canada. They used to live in Iran and had a son and his wife was pregnant when Khomeni came into power. Can't remember the particulars but the police/army/w.e at one point went to their home and the wife was kicked and the son in retaliation attacked the offending person and was shot on the spot. The guy lost his son and unborn child, the whole story was just nightmare fuel for my parents.

 

[MenInG]

A rights group has called on Fifa to ban Iran from this year's World Cup after blocking women from watching games in their own country.

Open Stadiums questioned why the country was being allowed to compete while "Iranian women remain locked out of our 'Beautiful Game'" by officials.

The call comes weeks after women were allowed to attend a domestic match for the first time since 1979.

However, the rights group was sceptical stadiums would remain open to women.

"Iranian women trust neither the Islamic Republic's authorities nor the Iranian Football Federation that the Azadi stadium will remain open to them after the Fifa World Cup 2022 concludes on December 18," Open Stadiums said in an open letter to Fifa's president, Gianni Infantino.

It also argues that even those who travel to Qatar to watch matches risk falling foul of Iranian authorities, with fears state spies may keep tabs on those who attend.

 

[sweep_shot]

A rights group has called on Fifa to ban Iran from this year's World Cup after blocking women from watching games in their own country.

Open Stadiums questioned why the country was being allowed to compete while "Iranian women remain locked out of our 'Beautiful Game'" by officials.

The call comes weeks after women were allowed to attend a domestic match for the first time since 1979.

However, the rights group was sceptical stadiums would remain open to women.

"Iranian women trust neither the Islamic Republic's authorities nor the Iranian Football Federation that the Azadi stadium will remain open to them after the Fifa World Cup 2022 concludes on December 18," Open Stadiums said in an open letter to Fifa's president, Gianni Infantino.

It also argues that even those who travel to Qatar to watch matches risk falling foul of Iranian authorities, with fears state spies may keep tabs on those who attend.

Why ban Iran national team over this? Would be unfair to Iranian players.

 

[SalimBhai]

Why ban Iran national team over this? Would be unfair to Iranian players.

Same concept as punishing South African teams due to apartheid

 

[SalimBhai]

Some of the country’s most famous players have expressed support for street protests over the death of a young woman. On Thursday, an activist group went further: It asked FIFA to bar Iran from the World Cup.

One of the most beloved players in Iran’s soccer history had his family home raided by the authorities after speaking out against the government. At least two other well-known players have been arrested and detained for lending support to the protests that have roiled Iran since the death of a young woman, Mahsa Amini, on Sept. 16.

And six weeks before the World Cup in Qatar, the Iranian national team’s star forward has suggested that he and his teammates are subject to what is in effect a gag order, warned that even commenting on the protests might cost them their places on the team. Unable to speak publicly, Iran’s players prepared for their final tuneup game this week in Austria with what amounted to a silent protest instead, covering their jerseys in black jackets during the national anthem.

Now, a group that has long campaigned for women and girls to be allowed into stadiums to watch soccer in Iran has urged the game’s global governing body, FIFA, to intervene. In a letter to the soccer body’s president on Thursday, the group called on FIFA to throw Iran’s team out of the World Cup for a “blatant violation” of soccer’s rules on governmental interference.
As Iranian football fans, with heavy heart we asked FIFA, due to ongoing human rights violation based on Articles 3-4 of its statutes, immediately expel Iran from #Qatar2022 Worldcup.


“The Iranian Football Association is an important ambassador of the Islamic Republic and is acting in line with the repressive regime,” the activist group, Open Stadiums, wrote in a letter to FIFA’s president, Gianni Infantino. “It comes as no surprise, then, that they have prohibited footballers from showing any solidarity with the Iranian citizens’ call for freedom and the victims of the same authorities’ brutal crackdown.

The letter asked FIFA “to immediately expel Iran from the World Cup 2022 in Qatar.”

FIFA declined to comment on the letter on Thursday.

The request to eject Iran was made more in hope than expectation: FIFA is unlikely to eject the team from a tournament for which it has qualified, especially so close to the competition, nor has it shown any effort to pressure Iran with anything more than public statements. A majority of Iranian fans also would oppose to a World Cup ban; many of them revere the national team, which is known as Team Melli, and
But soccer’s leadership could face considerable pressure from the impact of the protests sweeping Iran after the death of Amini, a 22-year-old woman who had been arrested by the country’s morality police; any effort by the government to silence the national team’s players; and repercussions against current and former players who have publicly supported the protests.

 

[MenInG]

Nine European nationals have been arrested in Iran during deadly street protests sparked by a custody death.

Intelligence officers detained people deemed to be "agents of foreign spy organisations" either at protests or "behind the scenes", local media said.

The violence shows no sign of easing, with the death toll continuing to rise.

Protests erupted in the capital Tehran and spread through the country after Kurdish woman Mahsa Amini died having spent time in police custody.

The 22-year-old, from the north-western city of Saqez, was arrested in Tehran on 13 September by morality police officers for allegedly violating the strict law requiring women to cover their hair with a hijab, or headscarf.

Officers did not specify where the nine Europeans had been arrested, but gave 10 instances of what it said was involvement by foreigners and foreign-based opposition groups in the demonstrations.

Those detained are from Poland, Sweden, Germany, Italy, France and the Netherlands, Iran's intelligence ministry says.

The German, French, British and Swedish embassies were among those who were warned over the involvement of their "agents" in the anti-government protests, the ministry added.

It also claimed that before and during the protests, several other plots had taken place to either prepare for or coincide with the unrest, including cyber-attacks and the spread of "fake, pro-riot news" by non-state media such as BBC Persian and Iran International.

BBC

 

[Robert]

Why ban Iran national team over this? Would be unfair to Iranian players.

Same reason SA was thrown out of cricket for three decades. “No equal sport with an unequal society.”

 

[Hasan]

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/prot...-amid-outcry-over-mahsa-aminis-death-12705376

 

[Hasan]

A few weeks ago about 10-15 million Iranians (about 11-16% of total population) took part in the annual Arbaeen commemoration by going to Iraq and walking from the holy cities of Najaf and Karbala (80km). They walked in day time temperature nearing 45 degree, they stayed in makeshift shelters and open ground and food and water was provided by local Iraqis.

From what I saw the 15m were equally split between men and women and the vast majority were below the age of 40. In my discussion with many of the Iranians this number could easily be double if the people had the means to travel to Iraq.

What become clear in seeing what I saw in Iraq, the secular liberal minority will have to wait a longtime to see Iran return to pre-revolution days. And that is because the ordinary people of Iran want to live with traditional Islamic values and not because the government is imposing these values on them.

The love and passion for Islam and the Prophet and his blessed family burns strongly in the hearts of most Iranians. In particular the events of Karbala are still a very strong frame of reference for most. After the male family members of the Prophet’s family were brutally slaughtered the forces of the Caliph tried to degrade the status of the Prophet’s and his family by forcefully removing the head coverings of the women folks.

 

[Robert]

Iranian Briton Shappi Khorsandi on the abject:

https://youtu.be/qiGAIaTSjmY