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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oh the irony. England complaining of ball-tampering allegations by local media in Australia. Yet it was ok for the media to make such allegations against the brilliant Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis in England <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/946736557976903681?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 29, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Every side pushes the boundaries when it comes to ball tampering - some just do the job better than others.
 
These guys are such hypocrites, take a look at the Ben Stokes incident.

Poor duckett suffers a much harsher penalty while Stokes is in Ashes squads :))
 
These guys are such hypocrites, take a look at the Ben Stokes incident.

Poor duckett suffers a much harsher penalty while Stokes is in Ashes squads :))

Last i checked Stokes has so far been suspended for 2 ODIs and 4 Ashes tests and likely to be more. Duckett got removed for a few England lions games.
 
England in the 2005 Ashes were using Murray Mints to keep the shine on the ball. I didn't see the incident in question but they have form for it.

Look I don't want to excuse tampering but I sympathise with bowlers in the current era. If bats can be manufactured to be more powerful, fielding restrictions in limited overs matches and with boundaries being pulled in - the balls should have bigger seams or be manufactured in a way that ensures it retains its shape for longer.
 
Brett Geeves: You can’t get the ball truly reversing without cheating

BALL tampering.
YES!!

Nothing spices up a cricket contest like one team risking their match fee to get the ball reverse swingin’.

I’ve gotta say, rightly or wrongly, the lure of getting caught is so worth it. Because when the ball goes reverse — think England in 2005 — it is damn near impossible to survive, let alone score.

Let me tell you this though: you can’t get the ball truly reversing without cheating.

The science of reverse swing is complicated and to attempt to break it down for you would have you asleep and me wearing a shiny tin foil hat and scribbling red markings on my living room walls. Words like asymmetry and turbulent flow and Troy Cooley.

The simple breakdown: one side needs to be smooth and shiny. The other side is rough, like sand paper and hopefully with the odd chunk of leather missing. The air flow that once loved the rough side of conventional swing now chooses the smoother side because of the extreme turbulence caused by the harsh nature of the rough surface. In much the same way Uncle Bob now wears her best heels to Xmas lunch. It’s complicated, so we should move forward. Quickly.

Make no mistake, England have proven themselves as the masters when it comes to the cunning required to get it hoopin’.

Remember 2005 from a few pars ago? When Simon Jones decimated Australia’s middle order with super late movement through the air — both ways — that made him more dangerous than Uncle Chop Chop in his heyday?

None of it from conventional swing. All of it from the cunning of dirty play. And all of these words, staking a claim at greatness, from the mouth of the man responsible, Marcus Trescothick.

“Through trial and error, I finally settled on the best type of spit for the task at hand,” he wrote in his autobiography, Coming Back to Me.

“It had been common knowledge in county cricket for some time that certain sweets produced saliva which, when applied to the ball for cleaning purposes, enabled it to keep its shine for longer and therefore its swing.”

Picture it now: smashed beakers and test tubes sprawled all over the back of the nets with vials of animal saliva and a whole production line of slobbering blokes waiting to be part of this revolutionary experiment.

In the end, they got it right, or wrong, depending on how you perceive rule breaking.

But it’s not just lollies and the smooth side of the ball that needs the attention of the cunning.

The foreplay of the rough side is the one that will bring about the most heinous of shame should you get caught. And nothing says heinous like a bottle top, an extra-long thumb nail or some sandpaper. Some, like the Pakistanis, have even been caught out taking a bite!!

Hiding a bite from the 40 TV cameras and 50 boundary side photographers is harder than escaping from Olivia Newton John.

Remember Rana Naveed from Pakistan and cult hero of the Hobart Hurricanes and Tasmanian Tigers T20 teams? The man had a freak thumbnail that was not only useful at barbecues for opening local brew, but he could very secretly beaver away at the new white ball and have it reversing in two overs.

You don’t come to Australia and blow that many pads open at 130kph without a little something in your arsenal.

Through Rana, I’ve seen the best of reverse swing; he was a wizard.

And anytime Tasmania played NSW at the SCG, I was responsible for the worst.

I recall a team discussion, in 2007-08, about why we couldn’t get the ball to reverse. Our only option was the spit rock; which is an old-fashioned way of getting reverse swing.

In a nut shell, you dump as much spit as you can onto one side of the ball, rub it in, and then lob it to the next bloke who does the exact same thing. The upshot is that buying bulk cold-sore cream is efficient for price. The downside is that the swing is from the hand, very hard to swing both ways, and extremely predictable.

The short answer was that we had no one willing to cheat.

I put my hand up — public school, I’ve done worse — and it was felt that chap stick was our answer for the shiny side, and the zip on my pants would be helpful for the rough side.

With everyone scratching their bleeding lips and New South Wales declaring at 5-517, it was obvious that my ability to cheat in cricket was not near my ability to deal myself the left and right bower from the bottom of the deck.

And then came reverse swing greatness.

Bollinger and Bracken combining for match figures of 78 overs, 27 maidens, 18 for 208 — bowling Tasmania out twice for under 517 — compared to Geeves and Hilfenhaus: 60 overs, 10 maidens, 3 for 231.

In chatting to the NSW bowlers after the game, they refused to provide the answers on how they got the ball talking. They did, however, let me know they got great joy watching me apply 16 tubs of chap stick through my lips to the ball knowing full well that what I was doing meant that I was actually ruining any chance of reverse or conventional swing.

Chap stick, for those of you with inner cunning, is not the answer.

English sweets, excessively sharp fingernails and Boag’s bottle tops are your friends if you want to engage your inner cunning.

It’s funny, you know; get caught cheating at golf, a game of pool, or at cards and you are the lowest form of human. A truly vile creature.

Cheat at Cricket? MBE’s for everyone; even Paul Collingwood.

Source Link:https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricke...g/news-story/39c2a8e6af60d90978ed20a76fb08469
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oh the irony. England complaining of ball-tampering allegations by local media in Australia. Yet it was ok for the media to make such allegations against the brilliant Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis in England <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/946736557976903681?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 29, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Eh? Rather an overgeneralisation surely? You are talking about tabloid pressmen of a generation ago, not the current England players who were in short trousers at the time. Only one England player had any problem with those guys, Allan Lamb who retired in 1993.
 
Eh? Rather an overgeneralisation surely? You are talking about tabloid pressmen of a generation ago, not the current England players who were in short trousers at the time. Only one England player had any problem with those guys, Allan Lamb who retired in 1993.

As did Alec Stewart and his father who was England Coach at that time - for people who had worked with Waqar Younis at Surrey, I found their inability to defend Waqar tad nasty.
 
As did Alec Stewart and his father who was England Coach at that time - for people who had worked with Waqar Younis at Surrey, I found their inability to defend Waqar tad nasty.


Ok, so still no current players.

If think W&W had a right to feel aggrieved at such allegations in 1992, why do you think A&B have no such right in 2017?
 
Ok, so still no current players.

If think W&W had a right to feel aggrieved at such allegations in 1992, why do you think A&B have no such right in 2017?

A&B can do what they like. But there are enough people around, like us, who know the history well and should be reminding A&B that its happened before and in just the same way we ignored Pakistan's protestations on this issue, we will do the same for you.

Also the people who are now supporting the same rights were still around in 1992 and werent too enthusiastic about supporting Pakistan.
 
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Everybody was ball tampering for reverse swing back in those days. Some teams just had it down to a fine art and others were hopeless at it. Plenty of people like to pretend it didnt happen with their favorite bowlers or whatever but it did.

Its a dark art or morally grey area sure but personally i miss it.. Bowlers are in a hiding to nothing these days
 
Eh? Rather an overgeneralisation surely? You are talking about tabloid pressmen of a generation ago, not the current England players who were in short trousers at the time. Only one England player had any problem with those guys, Allan Lamb who retired in 1993.

I'm referring to the media.

English media whining about the Australian media, yet the English media absolutely slaughtered Wasim and Waqar for ball tampering.

However as Wasim Akram said "when Waqar and I reversed the ball, it was ball tampering, but when England started doing it, it was reverse swing."
 
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