The Legend that is Shahid Afridi - Did he underachieve as a cricketer?

[Mohraheem]

Afridi won us in 2009… respect to him, he is a legend. Misbah pathetic is not a legend for what he did in 2007

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Underachievement is a harsh word for Shahid Afridi. He has played many iconic knocks, especially against India. Yeah, we can say that his stats should be more improved than they are but he is recognized as the guy who invented the approach to bash bowlers from ball number 1.

3-4 innings in a career spanning 2 decades. The over glorification of Afridi's once in a while knocks has let to the current state of Pakistan. Everyone wants that ONE TIME GLORY hit at the cost of consistency.

 

[sweep_shot]

He has around 400 ODI wickets and 8000+ ODI runs.

An ODI legend without a doubt. Pakistani ATG.

 

[Mohraheem]

Too hard to digest for tuktuk Misbah fans

 

[mominsaigol]

I don't get why people were harsh on afridi? He wasn't ever suppose to be your batter, so him botching things at no 7 or no 8 doesn't apply.

He's a tulle baz batter who gives good performance with the ball and is a gun fielder? When his tulle bazi works he's basically scoring 30 ball 70's.

It's what pakistani fans expected from a clown like Shadab. But too bad shadab is a crap bowler and an even crappier batsmen.

 

[sweep_shot]

I don't get why people were harsh on afridi? He wasn't ever suppose to be your batter, so him botching things at no 7 or no 8 doesn't apply.

He's a tulle baz batter who gives good performance with the ball and is a gun fielder? When his tulle bazi works he's basically scoring 30 ball 70's.

It's what pakistani fans expected from a clown like Shadab. But too bad shadab is a crap bowler and an even crappier batsmen.

Afridi was a pinch-hitter. His job was to attack from ball 1 and he was good at it. He ended up with 8000+ ODI runs which was brilliant.

 

[BouncerGuy]

The day when the still Ever Green SHAHID AFRIDI announced himself on the big stage.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1842109367312699620

 

[gibsyhesperis]

He should be considered as a very good one day bowler who bowled predominantly fast top spinners, that were difficult to play.
He was a big hitter who succeeded intermittently.
He was a character and a crowd pleaser.

Not sure he would be lionised the way he is in any country, other than Pakistan, where he is perceived as some sort of legend.
This is either through the paucity of enough truly good players or the irrationality of the Pakistani fans….not sure which.

 

[Mohraheem]

He achieved a lot! Misbah was jobless and he added Misbah into his Fund-raise staff group. So he looks employed

 

[mominsaigol]

People misunderstood Shahid Afridi but no fault of their own as afridi also constantly shuffled day and night on what type of cricket that he wants to be.

Was he a bowler and a pinch hitter? Bowling allrounder? Opener? Batting allrounder?

He never made it clear on his role.

However no one can deny that he was am entertaining phenomenon.

Not a good player but has memorable knocks and memorable bowling figures.

100 of 37, 100 of 45 and 7/12 are etched into my memory

 

[shaz619]

Smashed India to bits in Tests and traumatised their people for generations

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Smashed India to bits in Tests and traumatised the little people for generations

Loved the amazing numbers of ducks and disasters.
His two centuries allowed him to stick on with utter below average skill and carry Pakistan cricket to utter mediocrity and ruin the next generation of Pakistan cricket forever. Totally worth it

 

[mominsaigol]

Loved the amazing numbers of ducks and disasters.
His two centuries allowed him to stick on with utter below average skill and carry Pakistan cricket to utter mediocrity and ruin the next generation of Pakistan cricket forever. Totally worth it

What are you trying to say? That a medicore cricketer murdered India with 100 of 45?

Afridi is extremely medicore, But India has produced even more medicore cricketers. However India has also produced extremely better ones.

In terms of talent India has produced the 2nd best talent, only behind the aussie God fathers.

 

[shaz619]

Loved the amazing numbers of ducks and disasters.
His two centuries allowed him to stick on with utter below average skill and carry Pakistan cricket to utter mediocrity and ruin the next generation of Pakistan cricket forever. Totally worth it

Think you confuse Misbah with Afridi, the latter is disliked by Indians because he showed the women there what a really big heart looks like

 

[mominsaigol]

Think you confuse Misbah with Afridi, the latter is disliked by Indians because he showed the women there what a really big heart looks like

Misbah is the most beloved hero for Indian cricket.

He has helped them more times then anyone.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

What are you trying to say? That a medicore cricketer murdered India with 100 of 45?

Afridi is extremely medicore, But India has produced even more medicore cricketers. However India has also produced extremely better ones.

In terms of talent India has produced the 2nd best talent, only behind the aussie God fathers.

Yup, we were pathetic and we dont deny the reality where we sucked. .
We have our gems of mediocre talents who got the chance to represent the national team and overstayed for some reason or the other but no one in the history has the longevity of Afridi with such utterly mediocre stats. More than 2 decades of cricketing career with such poor numbers, thats laughable.
Among the wide variety of factors that have led to current decline of Pakistan cricket, Afridi's glorification in Pakistani cricket folklore cannot be understated.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yup, we were pathetic and we dont deny the reality where we sucked. .
We have our gems of mediocre talents who got the chance to represent the national team and overstayed for some reason or the other but no one in the history has the longevity of Afridi with such utterly mediocre stats. More than 2 decades of cricketing career with such poor numbers, thats laughable.
Among the wide variety of factors that have led to current decline of Pakistan cricket, Afridi's glorification in Pakistani cricket folklore cannot be understated.

I'm not an afridi fan nor is he my god father. He's medicore but don't act like Indians don't overglorify.

Dhoni isn't a medicore player, infact he's a gun player. However unlike Kane Williamson who's only acknowledged as a goat captain in the same way as Micheal breadley many Indians view Dhoni as the 2nd coming of Christ as a batsmen and the whole greatest finisher nonsense is bullcrap.

He's bang average outside asia and he's only an Asian bully, to top it off he takes the gake deep and finishes it and this tactic has yielded positive results but also negative. His insane stubborness to play till 2019 also cost India against England and NZ even though it would have been in their best interest to wipe out England and bring pakistan forward knowing full pak wouldn't have been able to deal any damage.

But he's been glorified with biopics and many Indian fans somehow viewing him as the greatest finisher of all time?

Similarly VVS Laxman is clutch but in reality he's an inconsistent hot mess in the same vein as ijaz Ahmed, Aka both have clutch performances in test, and are inconstent nutcases in odi but for ijaz he's viewed as an inconsistent axeman but vvs laxman has this weird narrative of how stats don't define his greatness? Oh bhai.

Afridi is more overhyped them these 2 and is more medicore then these I 100% agree.

But indian fans have overglorified their cricketers to absurd levels that I have made it my duty to remind them of reality.

For example Sachin is the best odi player ever and top 5 test players ever I agree, but don't make this folklore bullcrap of God and then cone to me with excuses for claiming he couldn't deal with mcgrath cause target was too high and not single batter has ever dominated mcgrath.

If he's a god and you people are using that term very literally and making things like moat complete batter ever, untouchable then don't make excuses when someone like mchrath turns a god into a human.

Indians overglorify more then any other nation..only in India can Kohli a top 5 odi batter but a decent test batter be overglorified as the king of all format cricket. All format lol.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

I'm not an afridi fan nor is he my god father. He's medicore but don't act like Indians don't overglorify.

Dhoni isn't a medicore player, infact he's a gun player. However unlike Kane Williamson who's only acknowledged as a goat captain in the same way as Micheal breadley many Indians view Dhoni as the 2nd coming of Christ as a batsmen and the whole greatest finisher nonsense is bullcrap.

He's bang average outside asia and he's only an Asian bully, to top it off he takes the gake deep and finishes it and this tactic has yielded positive results but also negative. His insane stubborness to play till 2019 also cost India against England and NZ even though it would have been in their best interest to wipe out England and bring pakistan forward knowing full pak wouldn't have been able to deal any damage.

But he's been glorified with biopics and many Indian fans somehow viewing him as the greatest finisher of all time?

Similarly VVS Laxman is clutch but in reality he's an inconsistent hot mess in the same vein as ijaz Ahmed, Aka both have clutch performances in test, and are inconstent nutcases in odi but for ijaz he's viewed as an inconsistent axeman but vvs laxman has this weird narrative of how stats don't define his greatness? Oh bhai.

Afridi is more overhyped them these 2 and is more medicore then these I 100% agree.

But indian fans have overglorified their cricketers to absurd levels that I have made it my duty to remind them of reality.

For example Sachin is the best odi player ever and top 5 test players ever I agree, but don't make this folklore bullcrap of God and then cone to me with excuses for claiming he couldn't deal with mcgrath cause target was too high and not single batter has ever dominated mcgrath.

If he's a god and you people are using that term very literally and making things like moat complete batter ever, untouchable then don't make excuses when someone like mchrath turns a god into a human.

Indians overglorify more then any other nation..only in India can Kohli a top 5 odi batter but a decent test batter be overglorified as the king of all format cricket. All format lol.

I don't know which one needs to be clutched. and just straight on ad hominem.
Thread is about Afridi, I have neither mocked anyone personally or glorified any Indian cricketer in this thread. Straight up gave my honest opinion on Afirdi with a light banter without insulting the poster.

Dhoni is glorified because he is the only Indian captain to win all 3 ICC trophies and had led us to our first wins. No one claims he made us invincible.
Sachin's impact was way beyond the cricketing arena, which a non-Indian wouldn't grasp.
Kohli has been the best batsman of the last 15 years by a country mile. Name me one batsman who has dominated all 3 formats like Kohli??
Now you can cheery pick and pin point their failures, but above statements stand true despite failures they have had. Every player in history has faced losses and thats part of the game.

And This thread is about Afridi so let's stick to "Boom boom bust" only

 

[Hellion]

If he's being considered a legend, he's already overachieved

 

[Cricket Warrior]

earned most man of the match awards.. won a T20 word cup for Pakistan what else he could have achieved better than this one?

 

[mominsaigol]

Plenty of straws in this strawman post, I don't know which one needs to be clutched. and just straight on ad hominem.
Thread is about Afridi, I have neither mocked anyone personally or glorified any Indian cricketer in this thread. Straight up gave my honest opinion on Afirdi with a light banter without insulting the poster.

Dhoni is glorified because he is the only Indian captain to win all 3 ICC trophies and had led us to our first wins. No one claims he made us invincible.
Sachin's impact was way beyond the cricketing arena, which a non-Indian wouldn't grasp.
Kohli has been the best batsman of the last 15 years by a country mile. Name me one batsman who has dominated all 3 formats like Kohli??
Now you can cheery pick and pin point their failures, but above statements stand true despite failures they have had. Every player in history has faced losses and thats part of the game.

And This thread is about Afridi so let's stick to "Boom boom bust" only

First of, Please search the terms ad hominem and strawman before spouting them with zero understanding.

Don't try this online reddit esc debating terms with me.

Secondly don't try to justify no one claiming Dhoni being invincible when they made an entire biopic about him being pretty much magically invincible as soon as his coach gave him one generic bollywood advice and one generic and the love of his life that magically appeared on a plane as if she owned the jet changed his cricketing woes. If an entire Indian production team with million Dollar budgets made such absurd claims and marketed it to an Indian + International audience, then do not use the phrase No One.

I don't give a kahoot about these impact narratives beyond the cricketing arena. The world doesn't live in India so if that's the case, then keep this God and emotion nonsense in India rather then shoving it into the ICC.

For the last 4 years he's been total crap. Travis head replaced him, we don't live in 2014 anymore.

Afridi is glorified but not as much as Indian fans glorify any Tom dick and Harry with an Indian passport. I bet they'd glorify a chanei bachnei wala over Afridi if they could.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

First of, Please search the terms ad hominem and strawman before spouting them with zero understanding.

Don't try this online reddit esc debating terms with me.

Secondly don't try to justify no one claiming Dhoni being invincible when they made an entire biopic about him being pretty much magically invincible as soon as his coach gave him one generic bollywood advice and one generic and the love of his life that magically appeared on a plane as if she owned the jet changed his cricketing woes. If an entire Indian production team with million Dollar budgets made such absurd claims and marketed it to an Indian + International audience, then do not use the phrase No One.

I don't give a kahoot about these impact narratives beyond the cricketing arena. The world doesn't live in India so if that's the case, then keep this God and emotion nonsense in India rather then shoving it into the ICC.

For the last 4 years he's been total crap. Travis head replaced him, we don't live in 2014 anymore.

Afridi is glorified but not as much as Indian fans glorify any Tom dick and Harry with an Indian passport. I bet they'd glorify a chanei bachnei wala over Afridi if they could.

The thread is about Afridi. Dont keep barging into threads with intent to derail them.

 

[mominsaigol]

The thread is about Afridi. Dont keep barging into threads with intent to derail them.

I have no intent to derail anything. I have 2 missions that I will achieve.

No 1 is the achievement of making sure misinformation about rizwan and the nexus doesn't spread in this era.

No 2 making sure Indians know reality from fantasy or fantasy from reality.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

I have no intent to derail anything. I have 2 missions that I will achieve.

No 1 is the achievement of making sure misinformation about rizwan and the nexus doesn't spread in this era.

No 2 making sure Indians know reality from fantasy or fantasy from reality.

The thread is about Afridi

 

[mominsaigol]

The thread is about Afridi

Afridi is a medicore cricketer.

You're mad and upset about your biopic? It's a goated movie, but that movie is living and breathing proof as to why Indians are the biggest over glory striken fans on the planet.

Spending millions of dollars on PR for a false image and quick profit and that movie didn't even make good revenue internationally deapite it being marketed internationally.

Even the people internationally knew full well how much of scam this is. Chalo atleast it got profit in India.

Oh and Afridi is a medicore cricketer but a great entertainer with memorable knocks.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Afridi is a medicore cricketer.

You're mad and upset about your biopic? It's a goated movie, but that movie is living and breathing proof as to why Indians are the biggest over glory striken fans on the planet.

Spending millions of dollars on PR for a false image and quick profit and that movie didn't even make good revenue internationally deapite it being marketed internationally.

Even the people internationally knew full well how much of scam this is. Chalo atleast it got profit in India.

Oh and Afridi is a medicore cricketer but a great entertainer with memorable knocks.

I dont remember myself ever posting positively about Dhoni on this forum.
I doubt i would have posted more than a single digit posts about Dhoni at all in my short stay here

 

[nish_mate]

I have no intent to derail anything. I have 2 missions that I will achieve.

No 1 is the achievement of making sure misinformation about rizwan and the nexus doesn't spread in this era.

No 2 making sure Indians know reality from fantasy or fantasy from reality.

What about zee Anglais and zeir Bazball being the zee bezt zing to come out since Marmite

 

[mominsaigol]

I dont remember myself ever posting positively about Dhoni on this forum.
I doubt i would have posted more than a single digit posts about Dhoni at all in my short stay here

Post positive, negative or whatever you wish about Dhoni I don't mind.

But my mission is avoid the spread of misinformation to as many people as I can.

I provide the correct Info along with a few others like @shaz619

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Post positive, negative or whatever you wish about Dhoni I don't mind.

But my mission is avoid the spread of misinformation to as many people as I can.

I provide the correct Info along with a few others like @shaz619

Data may be correct but the thread address is definitely wrong.

Afridi might have a big heart but not so big to allow discussions about random stuff in a thread discussing his Boom boom glory. Please respect "boom boom"

 

[mominsaigol]

What about zee Anglais and zeir Bazball being the zee bezt zing to come out since Marmite

Australia put them in their place. Australia beat them at their own game.

England had to imvent bodyline to neutralise Australia. They cheated a 100 year ago, and will cheat now.

It's nothing new. Australians are their superior. Besides UK would have been bankrupt by now if other commonwealth countries didn't support it.

Their economy is dead but thanks tonforeign support they can afford to remain relevant and well developed.

 

[mominsaigol]

Data may be correct but the thread address is definitely wrong.
Afridi might have a big heart but not so big to allow discussions about random stuff in a thread discussing his Boom boom glory. Please respect "boom boom"

Hey you started it by calling him Medicore, I'm reminding you of what medicore is and what over glorification is.

Afridi is also am emotion that Indian fans won't understand so before talking about Sachin being an emotion I won't understand, maybe understand afridi.

No one in cricket history has been as entertaining as Afridi. He's the one cricketer who despite being medicore has provided many memorable moments in cricket both good and bad.

The amount of times he's frustrated pak fans but also auprised them is stunning.

He genuinely is a proper emotion and the pure definition of an entertainer even when he doesn't perform.

Compare that to Sachin, who has no personality, his commentary makes me fall asleep and the entire planet asleep because he can't shut up about 2003 or 2007 or himself.

Sachin is a goat batter and I can understand him being an emotion from a pragmatic perspective of actually being the best odi player their ever was and likely ever will be.

Sachin is a goat but afridi did not cause the downfall or the mediocrity of pak cricket and his replacements like shadab are terrible. And afridi is an actual entertainer while Sachin is a batsmen who entertains via batting, not while talking.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Hey you started it by calling him Medicore, I'm reminding you of what medicore is and what over glorification is.

Afridi is also am emotion that Indian fans won't understand so before talking about Sachin being an emotion I won't understand, maybe understand afridi.

No one in cricket history has been as entertaining as Afridi. He's the one cricketer who despite being medicore has provided many memorable moments in cricket both good and bad.

The amount of times he's frustrated pak fans but also auprised them is stunning.

He genuinely is a proper emotion and the pure definition of an entertainer even when he doesn't perform.

Compare that to Sachin, who has no personality, his commentary makes me fall asleep and the entire planet asleep because he can't shut up about 2003 or 2007 or himself.

Sachin is a goat batter and I can understand him being an emotion from a pragmatic perspective of actually being the best odi player their ever was and likely ever will be.

Sachin is a goat but afridi did not cause the downfall or the mediocrity of pak cricket and his replacements like shadab are terrible. And afridi is an actual entertainer while Sachin is a batsmen who entertains via batting, not while talking.

Thread was about Afridi the cricketer. Not what he speaks or sings.

Once I had an argument with Bihari friend of mine over politician Lalu Yadav, he had given a similar reply like the one who posted here.

 

[mominsaigol]

Thread was about Afridi the cricketer. Not what he speaks or sings.

Once I had an argument with Bihari friend of mine over politician Lalu Yadav, he had given a similar reply like the one who posted here.

Afridi is medicore as a cricketer but he is still a 100x superior to any of the current crop that showed up.

Shadab, Nawaz, chacha and all these clowns shpuld be ashamed of themselves.

However it doesn't change the fact that he is an entertainer and emotion. Lots of cricketers are.

Gayle storm being the biggest one.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Afridi is medicore as a cricketer but he is still a 100x superior to any of the current crop that showed up.

Shadab, Nawaz, chacha and all these clowns shpuld be ashamed of themselves.

However it doesn't change the fact that he is an entertainer and emotion. Lots of cricketers are.

Gayle storm being the biggest one.

He's definitely better than those. If he was playing today then he would have been among the top 2-3 limited format players for Pakistan.

Btw, I was told by a fan from Khyber Province in a Facebook group a few years ago that he was the primary reason why Pashtun people watched cricket. Is this true?

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Hey you started it by calling him Medicore, I'm reminding you of what medicore is and what over glorification is.

Afridi is also am emotion that Indian fans won't understand so before talking about Sachin being an emotion I won't understand, maybe understand afridi.

No one in cricket history has been as entertaining as Afridi. He's the one cricketer who despite being medicore has provided many memorable moments in cricket both good and bad.

The amount of times he's frustrated pak fans but also auprised them is stunning.

He genuinely is a proper emotion and the pure definition of an entertainer even when he doesn't perform.

Compare that to Sachin, who has no personality, his commentary makes me fall asleep and the entire planet asleep because he can't shut up about 2003 or 2007 or himself.

Sachin is a goat batter and I can understand him being an emotion from a pragmatic perspective of actually being the best odi player their ever was and likely ever will be.

Sachin is a goat but afridi did not cause the downfall or the mediocrity of pak cricket and his replacements like shadab are terrible. And afridi is an actual entertainer while Sachin is a batsmen who entertains via batting, not while talking.

Current Generation of Indian players idolized and followed Sachin and we have the current state of Indian Cricket
Current Generation of Pakistani players idolized and followed Afridi and we have the current state of Pakistani cricket

Now Chill

 

[mominsaigol]

He's definitely better than those. If he was playing today then he would have been among the top 2-3 limited format players for Pakistan.

Btw, I was told by a fan from Khyber Province in a Facebook group a few years ago that he was the primary reason why Pashtun people watched cricket. Is this true?

I do not know but one of my friends(was, haven't seen him in ages since I moved) is pashtun and he only watched it because of afridi and stopped watching after afridi retired.

But I can't speak for all pashtun's.

 

[mominsaigol]

Current Generation of Indian players idolized and followed Sachin and we have the current state of Indian Cricket
Current Generation of Pakistani players idolized and followed Afridi and we have the current state of Pakistani cricket

Now Chill

You have the current state of Indian cricket due to money and smart use of infrastructure while Pakistan is corrupt by default and has idiots running the show.

The cricket culture is totally backwards.


What's dissapointing however is that you people are behind Australia because despite having more money and resources and comparable infrastructure

Even steve smith has more muscle then Kohli.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

You have the current state of Indian cricket due to money and smart use of infrastructure while Pakistan is corrupt by default and has idiots running the show.

The cricket culture is totally backwards.


What's dissapointing however is that you people are behind Australia because despite having more money and resources and comparable infrastructure

Even steve smith has more muscle then Kohli.

Read my earlier posts. I have said Afridi is just one of the many issues that plagued Pakistan cricket into its current state, not the only factor.

 

[mominsaigol]

Read my earlier posts. I have said Afridi is just one of the many issues that plagued Pakistan cricket into its current state, not the only factor.

I'm telling you straight up afridi is not in any way an issue that plagued Pakistan cricket.

You have no clue what you're talking about. One of the factors plagued Pakistan cricket was damage done to its grassroot cricket and culture which is what we see now.

Infact his positive intent encourages an attacking culture which is now missing.

Afridi has one of the fastest centuries of 37 and 45, one of the best strike rates deapite having a low average which is good for a no 7 and no 8 batsmen, is a makeshift opener, Has over 500+ international wickets, is a decent fielder and had great longevity.

Their wasn't anyone else who could replace him when he actually entered and when he left you can see these shadab lullei's.

What do you know of the issues plaguing pakistan?

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

I'm telling you straight up afridi is not in any way an issue that plagued Pakistan cricket.

You have no clue what you're talking about. One of the factors plagued Pakistan cricket was damage done to its grassroot cricket and culture which is what we see now.

Infact his positive intent encourages an attacking culture which is now missing.

Afridi has one of the fastest centuries of 37 and 45, one of the best strike rates deapite having a low average which is good for a no 7 and no 8 batsmen, is a makeshift opener, Has over 500+ international wickets, is a decent fielder and had great longevity.

Their wasn't anyone else who could replace him when he actually entered and when he left you can see these shadab lullei's.

What do you know of the issues plaguing pakistan?

Let's have a reasoned discussion then.
Afridi had high strike rate with ridiculously low average and a career that spans 20 years with bowling averages into mid 30s and batting averages in mid 20s. Any player with such stats could never become a regular national player in any country in the world and that's why we dont have any other Afridi from any country. Afridi was allowed wanton freedom to play as he liked without regards to the needs of the team. No other team management could allow that in their set up.

I have no issues with all that, that was a choice by PCB management, but the unintended consequence you have had is Afridi becoming such a household name in Pak that every kid wanted mimic his glory style. For Indians Kohli, Sharma , Gill, Dhawan etc idolized the playing style of Sachin, while for Pakistan Afridi "boom boom" was everywhere. He overshadowed batting greats like Younis Khan and Mohd. Yusuf. Pure spin bowlers were not important to Pakistan anymore, you needed a part time spinner who can wield the long handle. So your spin basket is virtually empty. Complete example of style over substance.

Again, its not all Afridi's fault. Its the culture that made him the most recognized Pakistan player of the last 20 years. Its the hero you choose and aspire to be like. In any other country Afridi would have been discarded after a few years.
Fastest 50 by an Indian is Ajit Agarkar in 21 balls. Does anyone care about that one off event, or Bumrah scoring 35 runs against Stuart Broard in Test in England.

 

[pratiktc]

Afridi was a wildcard cricketer.
A strong team could have carried the high failure rate on his bad days to enjoy the fruits of his unique skills on the rare good day. A weak team would be hard pressed to utilize a gambler when what they needed was an accountant.

Modern T20 cricket and franchise leagues would probably have gotten the most out of Afridi the batter. He was a versatile hitter and could fit in all phases as a momentum injector capable of taking down any spin matchup. As a T20I bowler he was an above average middle overs specialist limited in skill and accuracy. He might have further developed his faster one and developed away swinger variations on it to stop modern batters from reversing him.

 

[LordJames]

Worst thing to have ever happened to Pakistan and its Cricket

 

[shamaan]

Let's have a reasoned discussion then.
Afridi had high strike rate with ridiculously low average and a career that spans 20 years with bowling averages into mid 30s and batting averages in mid 20s. Any player with such stats could never become a regular national player in any country in the world and that's why we dont have any other Afridi from any country. Afridi was allowed wanton freedom to play as he liked without regards to the needs of the team. No other team management could allow that in their set up.

I have no issues with all that, that was a choice by PCB management, but the unintended consequence you have had is Afridi becoming such a household name in Pak that every kid wanted mimic his glory style. For Indians Kohli, Sharma , Gill, Dhawan etc idolized the playing style of Sachin, while for Pakistan Afridi "boom boom" was everywhere. He overshadowed batting greats like Younis Khan and Mohd. Yusuf. Pure spin bowlers were not important to Pakistan anymore, you needed a part time spinner who can wield the long handle. So your spin basket is virtually empty. Complete example of style over substance.

Again, its not all Afridi's fault. Its the culture that made him the most recognized Pakistan player of the last 20 years. Its the hero you choose and aspire to be like. In any other country Afridi would have been discarded after a few years.
Fastest 50 by an Indian is Ajit Agarkar in 21 balls. Does anyone care about that one off event, or Bumrah scoring 35 runs against Stuart Broard in Test in England.

What about his t20 stats or are you going to ignore that.

 

[sweep_shot]

I'm telling you straight up afridi is not in any way an issue that plagued Pakistan cricket.

You have no clue what you're talking about. One of the factors plagued Pakistan cricket was damage done to its grassroot cricket and culture which is what we see now.

Infact his positive intent encourages an attacking culture which is now missing.

Afridi has one of the fastest centuries of 37 and 45, one of the best strike rates deapite having a low average which is good for a no 7 and no 8 batsmen, is a makeshift opener, Has over 500+ international wickets, is a decent fielder and had great longevity.

Their wasn't anyone else who could replace him when he actually entered and when he left you can see these shadab lullei's.

What do you know of the issues plaguing pakistan?

Afridi is an ODI ATG.

He has 8000+ ODI runs and almost 400 ODI wickets. Stuff of legend.

 

[Hitman]

Afridi is an ODI ATG.

He has 8000+ ODI runs and almost 400 ODI wickets. Stuff of legend.

Those runs came at an average of 23.57, and those wickets came at an average of 34.51

 

[mominsaigol]

Let's have a reasoned discussion then.
Afridi had high strike rate with ridiculously low average and a career that spans 20 years with bowling averages into mid 30s and batting averages in mid 20s. Any player with such stats could never become a regular national player in any country in the world and that's why we dont have any other Afridi from any country. Afridi was allowed wanton freedom to play as he liked without regards to the needs of the team. No other team management could allow that in their set up.

I have no issues with all that, that was a choice by PCB management, but the unintended consequence you have had is Afridi becoming such a household name in Pak that every kid wanted mimic his glory style. For Indians Kohli, Sharma , Gill, Dhawan etc idolized the playing style of Sachin, while for Pakistan Afridi "boom boom" was everywhere. He overshadowed batting greats like Younis Khan and Mohd. Yusuf. Pure spin bowlers were not important to Pakistan anymore, you needed a part time spinner who can wield the long handle. So your spin basket is virtually empty. Complete example of style over substance.

Again, its not all Afridi's fault. Its the culture that made him the most recognized Pakistan player of the last 20 years. Its the hero you choose and aspire to be like. In any other country Afridi would have been discarded after a few years.
Fastest 50 by an Indian is Ajit Agarkar in 21 balls. Does anyone care about that one off event, or Bumrah scoring 35 runs against Stuart Broard in Test in England.

This has nothing to do with anything.

It's a massive false equivilization linking kids aspirations to a cricketer? How on earth are confirming or claiming what the massess were inspired by and what route they took?

No one ever looked at afridi and were like I wish to forgoe spin amd wish to attack like a tailender?

Afridi has good wickets and a healthy eco to his name, and was part of the ajmal, hafeez spin trio which wrecked havoc during the back end, and unlike those 2 he wasnt a chucker and kept pace.

The guy has a 7/12 in odi, that's a terrific feat and was achieved againat a much stronger WI then what plays now?

Secondly 23 avg and sr of 117 followed by a few iconic centuries isn't bad for a no 7 to no 8 bowling allrounder who's job isn't even batting and was pinch hitting at the death.

How on earth are you claiming that kids looked at a decent spinner and a player who played with an attacking mindset and came to the conclusion that they shpuld forgot playing am attacking brand of cricket?

What sort of logic is this? Afridi has nothing to do with the culture, nor does he have anything to do with shadab, mawaz, Chacha or spinners or any other allrounder that came after. His popularity doesn't have anything to do with cricket itself.

If it did you'd have more allrounders playing aggressive cricket like afridi, not rizzu slow molasses hooligans.

Pakistan even won ct 2017 going undefeated in every game barring the tournament opener against India. No input from afridi or any past players led to that and the entire squad was new.

 

[mominsaigol]

Those runs came at an average of 23.57, and those wickets came at an average of 34.51

Afridi is an average cricketer who's played a few memorable knocks, but my whole argument was that linking afridi to the collapse of current Pakistan is absolutely ludicrous when none of them mimick his playing style.

The so called mentors and chairmans (waqar, Misbah, Ramiz raja, Naqvi), the selectors who simply look at scorecards and avg and just pick and choose or look at the nepotism baby factor and pluck from the crop, the culture of living in 1990's, the pitch curators, Naqvi's obsession to feed ego's, and quality of the pitches itself which are built to be roads and deprive players of playing quality spin or spinners developing, the collapsing economy and increasing rate of poverty etc etc

That's what caused or is causing a decline, not afridi who doesn't even appear

 

[BouncerGuy]

Afridi has inspired a generation of young players. He is simply a legend for that even if we do not care about his achievements.

For me, 2009 clutch innings were enough to rank him higher than most of the so-called power hitters and finishers in the current system.

Afridi was ahead of his time as a player.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Afridi was a mediocre cricketer, let alone traumatise he was usually a joke amongst Indians, every time we defeated Pak in ICC trophy Afridi had a brainfade, its fitting that he is called the king of ducks or duckridi.

As for his stats - hus average was around 21 with the bat which is laughable.

Secondly his bowling average against strong teams is inferior to Yuvraj Singh who is considered a part time bowler.

Afridi statpadded his bowling average against minnows, he has a couple of once in a bluemoon performances against us but that is it.

All in all a mediocre below average cricketer.

Idiotic posters bringing in kohli, Dhoni and Laxman need to chill out and use their brain for once.

None of them are mediocre players, Afridi is one.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

One thing I will admit is Shahid Afridi was definitely an ATG level t20 player, but that is it.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Afridi was a mediocre cricketer, let alone traumatise he was usually a joke amongst Indians, every time we defeated Pak in ICC trophy Afridi had a brainfade, its fitting that he is called the king of ducks or duckridi.

As for his stats - hus average was around 21 with the bat which is laughable.

Secondly his bowling average against strong teams is inferior to Yuvraj Singh who is considered a part time bowler.

Afridi statpadded his bowling average against minnows, he has a couple of once in a bluemoon performances against us but that is it.

All in all a mediocre below average cricketer.

Idiotic posters bringing in kohli, Dhoni and Laxman need to chill out and use their brain for once.

None of them are mediocre players, Afridi is one.

LOL... who is duckridi???

Kohli has 35 ducks to his name in 522 international matches for the Asian giants. Former cricketer Zaheer Khan has the most number of ducks for India across all formats. Pacer Zaheer was dismissed for a duck on 44 occasions in international cricket.

 

[IMMY69]

A player feared by the opposition because he could literally take the game away from you in 40-60 deliveries, be it with bat or ball.

May have lacked consistently but had he debuted from 2015 onwards I have no doubt he would have been appreciated more as a player...

 

[mominsaigol]

Afridi was a mediocre cricketer, let alone traumatise he was usually a joke amongst Indians, every time we defeated Pak in ICC trophy Afridi had a brainfade, its fitting that he is called the king of ducks or duckridi.

As for his stats - hus average was around 21 with the bat which is laughable.

Secondly his bowling average against strong teams is inferior to Yuvraj Singh who is considered a part time bowler.

Afridi statpadded his bowling average against minnows, he has a couple of once in a bluemoon performances against us but that is it.

All in all a mediocre below average cricketer.

Idiotic posters bringing in kohli, Dhoni and Laxman need to chill out and use their brain for once.

None of them are mediocre players, Afridi is one.

What's your issue with it? Not that I disagree although some of it is inaccurate like calling him duck afridi when kohli has more ducks lol bit regardless yes, he's an average odi player, a great t20 player and test is non existent.

But what's your issue with people overglorfying and asking them to chill out? Do you see any other nation spend millions of dollars to tell a lie about how Dhoni was a failure with the bat but dominated the world with his bat straight after meeting his lover on a magical plane? And confidentially ignore the fact that outside of being an Asian beast? He's bang average overseas?

Or how about the fact that the movie felt the need to turn him into viv Richards when 90% of his playstyke was taking the game deep and finishing it and not going bang bang ab de devillers mode?

No one overglorifies more then India but apparently for you it's civil liberties but for pakistan it's blasphemy?

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

What's your issue with it? Not that I disagree although some of it is inaccurate like calling him duck afridi when kohli has more ducks lol bit regardless yes, he's an average odi player, a great t20 player and test is non existent.

But what's your issue with people overglorfying and asking them to chill out? Do you see any other nation spend millions of dollars to tell a lie about how Dhoni was a failure with the bat but dominated the world with his bat straight after meeting his lover on a magical plane? And confidentially ignore the fact that outside of being an Asian beast? He's bang average overseas?

Or how about the fact that the movie felt the need to turn him into viv Richards when 90% of his playstyke was taking the game deep and finishing it and not going bang bang ab de devillers mode?

No one overglorifies more then India but apparently for you it's civil liberties but for pakistan it's blasphemy?

Afridi has more ducks than Kohli , 44 vs Kohlis 37 and Kohli has played more innings.

Ms DHoni doesn’t have a century outisde Asia but his record is still great, you can check out his ODI record in all countries, for example Ms Dhoni has a better record in SENA than your GOAT ODI player Saeed Anwar. So again yoh are lying.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

If we calculate balls per duck Afridi will be right at the top.

 

[sweep_shot]

Afridi was a mediocre cricketer, let alone traumatise he was usually a joke amongst Indians, every time we defeated Pak in ICC trophy Afridi had a brainfade, its fitting that he is called the king of ducks or duckridi.

As for his stats - hus average was around 21 with the bat which is laughable.

Secondly his bowling average against strong teams is inferior to Yuvraj Singh who is considered a part time bowler.

Afridi statpadded his bowling average against minnows, he has a couple of once in a bluemoon performances against us but that is it.

All in all a mediocre below average cricketer.

Idiotic posters bringing in kohli, Dhoni and Laxman need to chill out and use their brain for once.

None of them are mediocre players, Afridi is one.

Afridi has 8000+ ODI runs and 395 ODI wickets. How many cricketers have that type of figure in ODI? I think only Jayasuriya would come close.

 

[mominsaigol]

Afridi has more ducks than Kohli , 44 vs Kohlis 37 and Kohli has played more innings.

Ms DHoni doesn’t have a century outisde Asia but his record is still great, you can check out his ODI record in all countries, for example Ms Dhoni has a better record in SENA than your GOAT ODI player Saeed Anwar. So again yoh are lying.

As for kohli, how many games has he played compared to afridi?

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Afridi has 8000+ ODI runs and 395 ODI wickets. How many cricketers have that type of figure in ODI? I think only Jayasuriya would come close.

That’s because he played a lot of games, I don’t think quantity alone makes someone ATG, quality is missing.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

If we calculate balls per duck Afridi will be right at the top.

The legend of first ball ducks by sky high blind slog.... Epic

 

[Major]

People like Mansoor Amjad and Imad Wasim probably could had made their debuts much earlier had PCB moved on from Afridi was early as 2007 or 2008.

Mansoor Amjad was a talent that got wasted because Pakistan was to play one spin allrounder, and because there was that assumption that Afridi can win games with the bat, he was continued to be added in the team.

Its just criminal how we see the likes of shadab khan get game after game and Mansoor just settled for 1 or 2 games.

Till the time Afridi was in the team, that meant another leggie was never going to play.

I think Imad could had maybe made his debut between 2012-2015 t20/odi era aswell, because as soon as Afridi retired and Shakil Sheikh came in a prominent position did Imad get his chance with the national team, and during the inital few years he did show some promise.

 

[Major]

Afridi has inspired a generation of young players. He is simply a legend for that even if we do not care about his achievements.

For me, 2009 clutch innings were enough to rank him higher than most of the so-called power hitters and finishers in the current system.

Afridi was ahead of his time as a player.

That inspiration was not a good one. Not a single aggressive batsman from Pakistan after Afridi made his debut was able to get a legend status.

Every player that was inspired him, failed massively and had to return to domestic cricket. Whether it was shazaib hassan, asif ali, umar akmal or any other hitter.

Afridi was just another Asif Ali, only difference was Afridi could spin the ball, and that is what saved him in 2010 - 2011 season. In 2010 the joke was going on that he performs with the bat after every 5 years.

Thankfully Pakistan has moved from Afridi to Babar. It felt good when faisalabadis were storming in the stadium and leaving as soon as Babar got out, bècause now it shows a new inspiration has come up and will produce more better batsman in future

 

[Devadwal]

Afridi leaves more negetive impact than positive for pakistan cricket .

 

[kron]

Afridi has more ducks than Kohli , 44 vs Kohlis 37 and Kohli has played more innings.

Ms DHoni doesn’t have a century outisde Asia but his record is still great, you can check out his ODI record in all countries, for example Ms Dhoni has a better record in SENA than your GOAT ODI player Saeed Anwar. So againwh yoh are lying.

what are you talking about? His country is Australia. They are the best in odi. Father of all countries.

But they are nothing in t20. In tests they did well in semi pro era when other teams wer behind in fitness.

 

[Mamoon]

Time to expose Indians who keep peddling the narrative that Afridi destroyed Pakistan’s batting culture.

No one has stopped to even think about this point of view but they all copy each other like sheep because it appears the smart thing to say.

I challenge you to draw a list of Pakistani batsmen who played like Afridi. You can’t do it, because no one did. Therefore, it is complete nonsense to say that Afridi had a negative impact on Pakistani batting.

Afridi had a negative impact for sure but that was because he played irresponsibility and cost Pakistan so many times. He was an idiot and a reckless player but he was one of a kind. No one mimicked him so ultimately he didn’t have a negative (or positive) influence.

 

[kron]

Afridi has inspired a generation of young players. He is simply a legend for that even if we do not care about his achievements.

For me, 2009 clutch innings were enough to rank him higher than most of the so-called power hitters and finishers in the current system.

Afridi was ahead of his time as a player.

One thing is for sure pakistan could certainly use a prime afridi now. They make go far in t20 if they had a player of his calibre.in odi probably not.

Afridi actually had some talent in tests but he massively underachieved.

 

[mominsaigol]

what are you talking about? His country is Australia. They are the best in odi. Father of all countries.

But they are nothing in t20. In tests they did well in semi pro era when other teams wer behind in fitness.

Just letting you know, because @jeeteshssaxena wishes to peddle a narrative,

Saeed Anwar is one of my favourite players however I am not delusional. The reason I bring saeed up is to compare him to Babar and end this King Kar le ga narrative.

Never once I have a fan boyed saeed Anwar or compared him to any Indian player besides Jaiswal and the only reason I did wasn't to say Anwar > Jaiswal but to tell Indians to hold their horses as their comparing a guy who hasn't even played odi international and barely has any list A or fc and are already jumping to conclusions based of future folklore magic which they can't predict yet.

However the sane folks have an issue with Travis and laxman comparisons even though I acknowledge it's a bit primitive of me to outright compare those 2 in tests, in odi, no contest, Travis smokes.

 

[Mamoon]

Just letting you know, because @jeeteshssaxena wishes to peddle a narrative,

Saeed Anwar is one of my favourite players however I am not delusional. The reason I bring saeed up is to compare him to Babar and end this King Kar le ga narrative.

Never once I have a fan boyed saeed Anwar or compared him to any Indian player besides Jaiswal and the only reason I did wasn't to say Anwar > Jaiswal but to tell Indians to hold their horses as their comparing a guy who hasn't even played odi international and barely has any list A or fc and are already jumping to conclusions based of future folklore magic which they can't predict yet.

However the sane folks have an issue with Travis and laxman comparisons even though I acknowledge it's a bit primitive of me to outright compare those 2 in tests, in odi, no contest, Travis smokes.

Saeed Anwar is a little overrated for sure. His record in Australia, South Africa and New Zealand in ODIs is disastrous. Babar wouldn’t have done any worse than he did.

I have no issues with anyone rating Saeed Anwar higher but the gap isn’t as big as some think, and Babar has every chance to finish his career as a superior batsman in both Tests and ODIs.

Nonetheless, Saeed Anwar has a special place in the hearts of Pakistanis because he has played quite a few iconic innings and bashing talentless Indian trundlers was his favorite hobby.

 

[mominsaigol]

Saeed Anwar is a little overrated for sure. His record in Australia, South Africa and New Zealand in ODIs is disastrous. Babar wouldn’t have done any worse than he did.

I have no issues with anyone rating Saeed Anwar higher but the gap isn’t as big as some think, and Babar has every chance to finish his career as a superior batsman in both Tests and ODIs.

Nonetheless, Saeed Anwar has a special place in the hearts of Pakistanis because he has played quite a few iconic innings and bashing talentless Indian trundlers was his favorite hobby.

Ofcourse saeed Anwar is overrated when you compare him to the rest of the planet? I've heard stories about how he was some sort of folklore who drove fear into the hearts of every bowler only to find out he's useless overseas

But he's a great opening batter. To this date no pakistani player has beaten his odi century record with only Babar coming close and might break it soon but that too cause he plays in an easier era.

In terms of batting talent their isnt any comparison however, Saeed Anwar is leagues > Dhoni?

I never understood how Dhoni can be viewed as such a goat when he's only a goat captain and an Asian bully? His pr is off the charts with the movie outright telling lies of his viv Richards nonsense in overseas lol

 

[kron]

Ofcourse saeed Anwar is overrated when you compare him to the rest of the planet? I've heard stories about how he was some sort of folklore who drove fear into the hearts of every bowler only to find out he's useless overseas

But he's a great opening batter. To this date no pakistani player has beaten his odi century record with only Babar coming close and might break it soon but that too cause he plays in an easier era.

In terms of batting talent their isnt any comparison however, Saeed Anwar is leagues > Dhoni?

I never understood how Dhoni can be viewed as such a goat when he's only a goat captain and an Asian bully? His pr is off the charts with the movie outright telling lies of his viv Richards nonsense in overseas lol

I never rated Dhoni in tests. 8 0 left a sour taste in my mouth. Couldn't care less for loi wins. Those test losses were embarrassing. Funnily enough he could have atleast picked the team on merit. We could have competed even during that period in test.

He failed miserably. He was a coward captain in tests.

8 0 plus another loss at home 2-1 to England and a 1 0 loss to nz.

11 test losses to 1 win during the 3 year period.

Dhoni just got lucky

As for Odi. Not even t20. He is a trash t20 captain.

He is only great in odi ans that I agree. He is a great odi captain. That's it.

Not t20. He failed multiple times In t20. He was the reason India failed on serial occasions in t20 ko stages. He was managed goods by 2016. Yet continued to play on till 2019. I have zero respect for a loser like him cause he embarrassed the country in tests. The real format. No one cares about chennai super king titles.

Test is the most important format. That's where legends are made. Dhoni is not a legend.

Virat is cause he is a champion in tests as captain. 5 straight years world number 1 in tests. Goat Asian captain.

As a player he is the 3rd best of his generation at his peak.

 

[mominsaigol]

Speaking of saeed, Their a plethora of Indian batters both top and middle order that are far superior to him. It's just Dhoni ain't one of them.

The issue with Indian posters is that I was literally seeing someone claim that some 1980's cricketer who barely even played for India is somehow superior to Miandad?

 

[mominsaigol]

I never rated Dhoni in tests. 8 0 left a sour taste in my mouth. Couldn't care less for loi wins. Those test losses were embarrassing. Funnily enough he could have atleast picked the team on merit. We could have competed even during that period in test.

He failed miserable. He was a coward captain in tests.

8 0 plus another loss at home 2-1 to England and a 1 0 loss to nz.

11 test losses to 1 win during the 3 year period.

Dhoni just got lucky

As for Odi. Not even t20. He is a trash t20 captain.

He is only great in odi ans that I agree. He is a great odi captain. That's it.

Not t20. He failed multiple times In t20. He was the reason India failed on serial occasions in t20 ko stages. He was managed goods by 2016. Yet continued to play on till 2019. I have zero respect for a loser like him cause he embarrassed the country in tests. The real format. No one cares about chennai super king titles.

Thank you. If I said this, Every Indian poster known to man would be having my head with constant comments claiming they won't talk to me, only to aggressively talk to me the next day .

 

[kron]

Thank you. If I said this, Every Indian poster known to man would be having my head with constant comments claiming they won't talk to me, only to aggressively talk to me the next day .

I meant damaged goods.

Lol auto correct ffs.

Yea I despise Dhoni. 8 0 drubbing can never ever be forgiven. For me that is bad as losing at home.

He made india look like a laughing stock. He is a coward. Should have been booted out in 2012 itself. Loser.

He won 3 icc titles so he gets overrated

That's why I don't rate rubbish titles like wtc. Away Test series wins matter more.

If india lose the bgt and win wtc then it's a loss for me. I dont care.

 

[mominsaigol]

I never rated Dhoni in tests. 8 0 left a sour taste in my mouth. Couldn't care less for loi wins. Those test losses were embarrassing. Funnily enough he could have atleast picked the team on merit. We could have competed even during that period in test.

He failed miserably. He was a coward captain in tests.

8 0 plus another loss at home 2-1 to England and a 1 0 loss to nz.

11 test losses to 1 win during the 3 year period.

Dhoni just got lucky

As for Odi. Not even t20. He is a trash t20 captain.

He is only great in odi ans that I agree. He is a great odi captain. That's it.

Not t20. He failed multiple times In t20. He was the reason India failed on serial occasions in t20 ko stages. He was managed goods by 2016. Yet continued to play on till 2019. I have zero respect for a loser like him cause he embarrassed the country in tests. The real format. No one cares about chennai super king titles.

Test is the most important format. That's where legends are made. Dhoni is not a legend.

Virat is cause he is a champion in tests as captain. 5 straight years world number 1 in tests. Goat Asian captain.

As a player he is the 3rd best of his generation at his peak.

Virat kohli was a fantastic captain it's just odi and t20 wasn't for him but test captaincy was. Gun test captain

 

[Mamoon]

Ofcourse saeed Anwar is overrated when you compare him to the rest of the planet? I've heard stories about how he was some sort of folklore who drove fear into the hearts of every bowler only to find out he's useless overseas

But he's a great opening batter. To this date no pakistani player has beaten his odi century record with only Babar coming close and might break it soon but that too cause he plays in an easier era.

In terms of batting talent their isnt any comparison however, Saeed Anwar is leagues > Dhoni?

I never understood how Dhoni can be viewed as such a goat when he's only a goat captain and an Asian bully? His pr is off the charts with the movie outright telling lies of his viv Richards nonsense in overseas lol

Of course, Saeed Anwar was far superior than Dhoni. Dhoni is laughably overrated by Indian fans. Nothing more than an average cricketer.

 

[kron]

Of course, Saeed Anwar was far superior than Dhoni. Dhoni is laughably overrated by Indian fans. Nothing more than an average cricketer.

100% agree. I laugh at people that used to put him above rishab pant lamo in tests. Rishab is the closest thing to gilly. He has already achieved more than Dhoni ever did in tests. He left him behind ages ago.

I am hoping he can turn it around in white ball. Dint play well in t20 but he won a cup. Bit streaky there. Maybe he will develop for the next odi wc. We will see.

And yes Anwar is aeons ahead of Dhoni. But different positions anyway. Can't compare tbf.

 

[mominsaigol]

I meant damaged goods.

Lol auto correct ffs.

Yea I despise Dhoni. 8 0 drubbing can never ever be forgiven. For me that is bad as losing at home.

He made india look like a laughing stock. He is a coward. Should have been booted out in 2012 itself. Loser.

I don't hate Dhoni, Dhoni for all his faults is a good odi batter and a beast in asia. And he's a great odi captain.

But it's just his movie, His pr team and everything in between.

For example his movie acts like he dominated 2007 and pakistan was a total joke when they reached so close? Then they made weird decisons? Like showing Dhoni as a total tail ender but magically he started becoming viv Richards with his ling maybelline hair chewing gum and staring every bowler dead in the eye without helmets?

He went from tailender to viv Richards all because he met the love of his life on a plane? He literally became so magically obsessed with her that somehow her beauty radiated onto the bat?

And they claim this is civil liberty?

No one acknowledges that he's just avg in test, T20(lucked out in 2007) and was an Asian one format pony

 

[Mamoon]

Dhoni is one of the most two faced people in cricket history. He appears as an innocent, nonchalant individual at face value but deep down, he is a backstabbing politician with a very strong PR game.

I bet the fake storyline of meeting his love interest in a plane who then died in a car accident was his idea to garner sympathy and boost his popularity.

He appears mysterious and private but there is no mystery behind his two faced persona.

People can hate on Gambhir as much as they want but he is a far more genuine person and undoubtedly a superior cricketer as well who never got his due credit.

Gambhir was a very good captain as well. He could have easily won all the trophies that India won under Dhoni and I’m sure he wouldn’t have been a worse Test leader than Dhoni.

 

[Mamoon]

100% agree. I laugh at people that used to put him above rishab pant lamo in tests. Rishab is the closest thing to gilly. He has already achieved more than Dhoni ever did in tests. He left him behind ages ago.

I am hoping he can turn it around in white ball. Dint play well in t20 but he won a cup. Bit streaky there. Maybe he will develop for the next odi wc. We will see.

And yes Anwar is aeons ahead of Dhoni. But different positions anyway. Can't compare tbf.

Pant only took two years to show how overrated Dhoni was. He can easily replicate Dhoni’s credit stealing antics in white ball cricket and do the finisher drama while Dhoni cannot even dream of the knocks Pant has played in Test cricket.

 

[kron]

I don't hate Dhoni, Dhoni for all his faults is a good odi batter and a beast in asia. And he's a great odi captain.

But it's just his movie, His pr team and everything in between.

For example his movie acts like he dominated 2007 and pakistan was a total joke when they reached so close? Then they made weird decisons? Like showing Dhoni as a total tail ender but magically he started becoming viv Richards with his ling maybelline hair chewing gum and staring every bowler dead in the eye without helmets?

He went from tailender to viv Richards all because he met the love of his life on a plane? He literally became so magically obsessed with her that somehow her beauty radiated onto the bat?

And they claim this is civil liberty?

No one acknowledges that he's just avg in test, T20(lucked out in 2007) and was an Asian one format pony

Wait there was a biopic for Dhoni? Lmao. For kapil dev then ok I agree. Deserves it. Virat ok. Or bumrah

But Dhoni lmao.

 

[mominsaigol]

Of course, Saeed Anwar was far superior than Dhoni. Dhoni is laughably overrated by Indian fans. Nothing more than an average cricketer.

If Shan masood was in India, stories about Him being Mike Breadley would formulate and his losses would be justified as Gritty, hard hitting losses.

Oh and they'd also make a biopic on turning said losses into wins