The logic of appointing underachieving ex-players as batting/bowling coaches

[RedwoodOriginal]

I've never fully understood the logic behind teams appointing players who didn't have particularly long or successful careers as batting/bowling coaches. You see this with India who have Sanjay Bangar and Bharat Arun in those respective roles. Pakistan who had Azhar Mahmood as bowling coach, New Zealand who have Shane Jurgensen. And England and Australia who had/have Mark Ramprakash and Graeme Hick as their batting coaches, perhaps two of the most perennial under-achievers.

I know observers/fans often place too much emphasis on these roles blaming batting coaches completely if a team gets bundled out cheaply or blaming the bowling coach if the bowlers bowl poorly and get hammered. I know that point-of-view is counter-productive because the role of coaches is only to devise the strategy which the players have to execute. But still these are important roles in today's modern context. What is the logic behind appointing under-achievers though? Is it that they have seen more failures to learn from or something else?

 

[Syed1]

Now a useless, never-been like Misbah ul Haq is going to be coach AND selector. This is proper nightmare scenario. Be ready for the return of all the oldies.


Keep in mind Misbah is the same guy who was severely criticizing Amir in the WC, while praising trundler meetha bowlers like Hasan Ali. He was even questioning why Shaheen is selected. The average age of the team will go beyond 32 with oldie lover at the helm.

 

[Abdullah719]

It's about coaching badges and credentials, nothing to do with being under-achievers.

Waqar was a top achiever but a poor coach, for example. Great players don't necessarily make great coaches.

Probably another stumbling block is that the best cricketers generally go into other facets post-retirement such as commentary or administration. Coaching requires hard work.

However, there are recent examples of top players going on to become good coaches. Langer is highly rated as a coach, Ponting is on the way up as well.

 

[Major]

good cehck that stats of Dave WHatmore, Mickey Arthu, Hesson.

Misbah is still a legend though

 

[Markhor]

Now a useless, never-been like Misbah ul Haq is going to be coach AND selector. This is proper nightmare scenario. Be ready for the return of all the oldies.


Keep in mind Misbah is the same guy who was severely criticizing Amir in the WC, while praising trundler meetha bowlers like Hasan Ali. He was even questioning why Shaheen is selected. The average age of the team will go beyond 32 with oldie lover at the helm.

Excuse me you were bashing Inzamam and Mickey to no end, and now you have a new target to bash.

Maybe the grass isn't always greener on the other side eh ?

 

[The Viper]

Great players don’t make great coaches simply. It matters about other attributes like personality, patience etc.

 

[aloo paratha]

Now a useless, never-been like Misbah ul Haq is going to be coach AND selector. This is proper nightmare scenario. Be ready for the return of all the oldies.


Keep in mind Misbah is the same guy who was severely criticizing Amir in the WC, while praising trundler meetha bowlers like Hasan Ali. He was even questioning why Shaheen is selected. The average age of the team will go beyond 32 with oldie lover at the helm.

You were also questioning Shaheens selection.

 

[Hasan123]

You were also questioning Shaheens selection.

I’m sure he said Shaheen and Hassnain should be learning in domestic and not at international level lol.

 

[Major]

You were also questioning Shaheens selection.

Excuse me you were bashing Inzamam and Mickey to no end, and now you have a new target to bash.

Maybe the grass isn't always greener on the other side eh ?

lol someone got exposed.


Just shows that many posters here have blind hate for Misbah nnothing else.

He hasnt been made coach and they already finding faults.

Little to they know, half of the paksitani team selected was becuase of Misbahs Islamabad United team

 

[Markhor]

Shaheen deserved criticism after the England ODI series and especially the Australia match where he was bowling short with new ball on damp wicket.

To his credit, it was in those final four WC matches he got his lengths right for English conditions.

 

[Shazzam]

Its simple. A couch does not have to be a good player to know how to coach. Just like you and me don’t have to play international cricket to know whats needed for our team.

 

[Syed1]

Just shows that many posters here have blind hate for Misbah nnothing else.

Pot. Kettle. Black.


You are the same person who said they will start watching cricket again now that Misbah is back in the frame.


Got to give it to you, be it Bilawal or Misbah you have knack of worshipping incompetency with great fervour.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

It's not necessary that someone needs to be a great player to be a great coach.

Just like it isn't necessary that a good player will make a good coach

 

[Major]

Pot. Kettle. Black.


You are the same person who said they will start watching cricket again now that Misbah is back in the frame.


Got to give it to you, be it Bilawal or Misbah you have knack of worshipping incompetency with great fervour.

again if i prefer to watch the game because of a player whos way of leading the game i liked whats the harm in it?

I dont understand why you and many others who dislike misbah get their nickets in a twist when i say i only watch cricket if Misbah is participating somehow. You bring in that fake patriotism.

Its like how watching a movie, i would prefer an Amir Khan movie or a Christopher Nolan movie. If both of them are not part of the movie than maybe i wont prefer watching it.

Same is with my cricket. I like his players selection as he selects the best ones according to me, maybe not according to you

I understand his strategy of going with conditions.

People cry about his selections all the time, but Misbah always had his reasons for his selections.
I like the way he leads and plays the team.


I know people who say oh we use to watch the cricket of imran khan now we dont watch. So if thats alright than why me watching Misbah's cricket?

Or is it because our watching and not watching should matter on the likeing of Syed1. If Syed1 doesnt like so and so cricketer than we shouldnt dare to say we dont watch the game because of so and so is not playing.

Learn to respect others views and understand them. DOnt just always go attacking.

You bash Misbah for critisizing SHaheen, while the other posters have said that you were also critisizing Shaheen. So what does that mean?

You always act liek you know better than the ones doing the job, but here posters have said you also had the same view, so why bashing Misbah than/?

 

[Ahmed_99]

Being a top cricketer does not mean your a good coach. Likewise being a good coach doesn't mean your a good player. It's necessary that the coach has good communication with the board and players while also being tactically sound.

We also need to ensure that whoever the new coach is that they instil discipline in the team and continue to improve the fitness of the players.

 

[muqarrab]

It's about coaching badges and credentials, nothing to do with being under-achievers.

Waqar was a top achiever but a poor coach, for example. Great players don't necessarily make great coaches.

Probably another stumbling block is that the best cricketers generally go into other facets post-retirement such as commentary or administration. Coaching requires hard work.

However, there are recent examples of top players going on to become good coaches. Langer is highly rated as a coach, Ponting is on the way up as well.

Based on what afridi said?

 

[aloo paratha]

I’m sure he said Shaheen and Hassnain should be learning in domestic and not at international level lol.

IIRC whatever he was saying was a lot worse than that lol

 

[Abdullah719]

Based on what afridi said?

Sorry?

 

[Birdman]

Great players necessarily don’t make great coaches, this is true not only in cricket, but’s in all other sports too. Great players have that X-factor and certain traits which makes them great can’t be coached. Also coaching needs entirely different skill set, they know how to get the best out of players who play for them and earn their trust.