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Those in the council are imo. They are there to uphold the Al-Saud rule over Arabia not to uphold Islam or Islamic law.
You miss my point Azhar. Secterianism is the biggest disease of the Muslims. If you take sides from a secterian point of view then you will sometimes be taking sides of the oppessors. You will also be making it easier for those who want to divide and rule.
@shaykh
1. re criteria; it may be a "lol" to you but its not to many people. There is a famous hadith "actions are by intentions..." I'd rather any action action by me be for the sake of Allah than for democracy etc The criteria for judging any conflict should come from an islamic perspective in my opinion. People can march for whatever they want to, its their life, Im talking about ME; what is MY criteria. The muslim brotherhood will be judged by Allah for all the good and bad. Im talking about THIS issue which is the killing of muslims by oppressive alawis.
2. Re:libya; For millions of muslims its better that gaddafi has gone whether you like it or not. And its a valid point to say it'll take time etc
3. Re: saddam; what are you on about islamic reference point ???; it was in response to kkwc.
4. Im talking about the houthis who laid a siege on damaaj; an institute of learning which had nothing to do wth any conflict. Innocent people were killed by the houthis.
5. My point is still valid imo.
6. As above.
7. As above. Read the context.
8. IMO, there is an agenda by the iran gov to have more influence in the muslim world and if you're not bothered by the hypothetical scenario of them having control of the Haramayn subhan'Allah.
@kkwc; brother insha'Allah I take from scholars of any origin who are from ahle sunnah eg Sheikh badiuddin shah sindhi, sheikh zubair ali zaee (from pakistan) and others; they dont have to be saudi specific and Im not saying that they are infallible.
Is every saudi scholar a "slave" of the gov ? Was sheikh ibn jibrin a slave of the gov ?
As Ive stated before I will not make mass takfir of the saudi gov as I will have to answer for it; the muslims are being oppressed around the world and may Allah help them all, ameen.
KingKhanWC said:You miss my point Azhar. Secterianism is the biggest disease of the Muslims. If you take sides from a secterian point of view then you will sometimes be taking sides of the oppressors. You will also be making it easier for those who want to divide and rule.
Iran does want more influence in the Muslim world...its not rocket science...I just find it amusing that you find the Saudis legitimate...British funded from the beginning who have done nothing but support the West with their policies in the Middle East and elsewhere...its frankly a shame that such a bunch of jokers are left in charge of our most holy of places...please do defend this regime you have so much love for...
Brother I do understand your point of more divisions making it easier for enemies to invade, control etc I am aware of that, same as Im aware that from the point of the US its all about israel and oil (prob in that order as well); the fact that it'll be easier re any conflict with iran, more influence in the M.E., reducing russian inluence etc etc etc this is not some complex foreign policy scenario that only a politically informed person will comprehend imo (there may be smaller issues within the above, but generally those are the substantive issues in this case imo).
For some its all about backing those opposed to US hegemony NO MATTER WHAT. For example, as much as I agree with galloway on several issues I happen to disagree with him as well.
I dont think that wanting the muslims of syria to be saved from the oppressive alawis is sectarianism; you may think it is; And I believe in the Ayah of the Quran stating to the effect of that Allah is the best of Planners.
So let them plan, plot as they want to; we should do everything on our part and trust in Allah.
I quite clearly said that the position re: conflicts etc from MY point of view is; what is islamically permissible.
I support the believers in syria against the oppressive alawis. You have not shown any proof from the Quran and sunnah that what I have said is incorrect. If it is wrong I'll make taubah for it.
Bring your proof from the Quran and sunnah to show that the above statement is wrong. I think Ive asked about 3 times and nothing as yet.
Is it wrong to support the believers against the oppressive alawis ?
I quite clearly said that the position re: conflicts etc from MY point of view is; what is islamically permissible.
I support the believers in syria against the oppressive alawis. You have not shown any proof from the Quran and sunnah that what I have said is incorrect. If it is wrong I'll make taubah for it.
Bring your proof from the Quran and sunnah to show that the above statement is wrong. I think Ive asked about 3 times and nothing as yet.
Is it wrong to support the believers against the oppressive alawis ?
@kkwc;
Brother, as I said before imo I dont believe it to be sectarianism. This is the reality of syrian alawis (backed by iran) persecuting the sunnis, (whether there are some sunnis supporting assad or not and whether it serves US interests or not).
And bro you're talking about divisions between muslims, well can you then explain why the ex secretary general of hizbAllah (which is backed by iran) recently said words to the effect of that if the sunnis of syria gained power then they would have to make peace with the sunnis or ally themselves with......ISRAEL!!!! Yes their sworn enemy who they recently had a war with. So would that make them partners with israel re their occupation of palestine or not ?
In any event, with all due respect no one has provided any proof from the Quran and sunnah which shows that my support for the believers against the oppressive alawis is incorrect. In fact, the senior scholar shiekh salih luhaidan supports the resistance against the alawi regime, alhamdulillah.
Re: Iran; I do not support the increase of influence of the iranian regime.
But yet you chose to ignore the Sunni rulers of Bahrain who have been persecuting the Shia majority? I ask again why the double standards? Both sides have outside influence, one has Iran who hasn't invaded another nation for over 200 years and the Free Syrian Army is supported by the US and Saudi.
Do you have link to this quote from a reliable source?
What has the Quran and Sunnah got to do with modern day geo-poltics? Can you show me from the Quran and Sunnah it's o.k for a Sunni minority governement to oppress a Shia majority?
Yet by supporting the Free Syrian Army and the Liyban rebels you are also supporting the increasing influence of western nations who have been killing Muslims for many many years now.
Please answer this simple question brother.
Did you support Nato helping the rebels in Libya and would you support Nato coming to the help of the Free Syrian Army?
The simple answer to that is that the West is seen as a lesser evil than Iran to these Saudi loving guys...
The paradox of moaning about the West all the time but lying with them at the same time...
You have to remember that to Wahabis Twelvers are not even Muslim...
I do therefore find it funny how Cricfan4ever loves this guys posts so much considering his organisation tried to take rule in Iran and wanted to implement their brand of Islam on a shia population...
Possibly. It could also be a simple case of hating any other sects which do not adhere to the literalist school of thought which is the Saudi religous council promotes.
The problem with this is you become a hypocrite because on the one hand you hate modern western civilisation and their so called democracy but at the same time you support their involvement in the middle east because they are backing your guys, the literalists, the ones who wear their trousers above their ankles and measure the length of their beards. What they fail to understand is these people are merely the pawns in a chess game being played out over the board which is known as the middle east. The imperialist nations don't give a damn about saving the Sunni from a Shia but enjoy seeing a Shia kill a Sunni and vice versa.
Coming back to the Syria conflict, it's sad but very interesting since the tactics which have been used are the same/similar tactics used in Libya but the ground realities are very much different. Libya had a fractured population based on tribal lines where there was still a strong presence of the former King Idris who were rearing to go after Gaddafi. Libya did not have a major superpower with bases in the nation where Syria has a Russian naval base in Tartus. Libya didn't have a strong ally on it's borders where Syria has Iran on one side and Iraq and Lebanon nearby. Also the Syrian top generals and commanders haven't defected and there is no sign of them doing so.
The biggest factor seems to be the Russians who nearly two months ago sent in ship with plenty of weapons for the Syrian army. Russia have also sold many weapons including the s-300 anti aircraft guns which are not the best Russia possess but still can do the damage if required. Add to this the billions in arms contracts the Russian have with Assad it makes them huge players, no wonder they sent Lavrov to Syria to greet Assad in times where he is seen as the only evil person in Syria. Another aspect is Putin has made gestures implying the protests in Russia may also be instigated by foreign forces.
The western media reports have again like Libya include fabricated stories of mass deaths when the real number is way lower while at the same time not even discussing the role of Turkey and Qatar in providing arms to the Free Syrian Army with the blessing of Saudi Arabia and the US. Gingrich stated weapons should be given to the 'rebels' openly which is basically supporting an armed insurgency in a foreign nation. SAS were in Libya in the early days of the conflict training the 'rebels' so it wouldn't be too far fetched in assuming they are doing the same now.
The best way to reach peace in Syria and stopping the bloodshed is for the western nations ending their demands for regime change and allow some type of dialogue with those who are genuine in their dissatisfaction with the Syrian regime.
Rare occasions where I'm in agreement with you. Enough of this geopolitical games, where civilians are treated like pawns on a chess board.Possibly. It could also be a simple case of hating any other sects which do not adhere to the literalist school of thought which is the Saudi religous council promotes.
The problem with this is you become a hypocrite because on the one hand you hate modern western civilisation and their so called democracy but at the same time you support their involvement in the middle east because they are backing your guys, the literalists, the ones who wear their trousers above their ankles and measure the length of their beards. What they fail to understand is these people are merely the pawns in a chess game being played out over the board which is known as the middle east. The imperialist nations don't give a damn about saving the Sunni from a Shia but enjoy seeing a Shia kill a Sunni and vice versa.
Coming back to the Syria conflict, it's sad but very interesting since the tactics which have been used are the same/similar tactics used in Libya but the ground realities are very much different. Libya had a fractured population based on tribal lines where there was still a strong presence of the former King Idris who were rearing to go after Gaddafi. Libya did not have a major superpower with bases in the nation where Syria has a Russian naval base in Tartus. Libya didn't have a strong ally on it's borders where Syria has Iran on one side and Iraq and Lebanon nearby. Also the Syrian top generals and commanders haven't defected and there is no sign of them doing so.
The biggest factor seems to be the Russians who nearly two months ago sent in ship with plenty of weapons for the Syrian army. Russia have also sold many weapons including the s-300 anti aircraft guns which are not the best Russia possess but still can do the damage if required. Add to this the billions in arms contracts the Russian have with Assad it makes them huge players, no wonder they sent Lavrov to Syria to greet Assad in times where he is seen as the only evil person in Syria. Another aspect is Putin has made gestures implying the protests in Russia may also be instigated by foreign forces.
The western media reports have again like Libya include fabricated stories of mass deaths when the real number is way lower while at the same time not even discussing the role of Turkey and Qatar in providing arms to the Free Syrian Army with the blessing of Saudi Arabia and the US. Gingrich stated weapons should be given to the 'rebels' openly which is basically supporting an armed insurgency in a foreign nation. SAS were in Libya in the early days of the conflict training the 'rebels' so it wouldn't be too far fetched in assuming they are doing the same now.
The best way to reach peace in Syria and stopping the bloodshed is for the western nations ending their demands for regime change and allow some type of dialogue with those who are genuine in their dissatisfaction with the Syrian regime.
At least 25 people have been killed by explosions outside security forces compounds in Syria's second city of Aleppo, state media report.
State television said the death toll included both civilians and members of the security forces and blamed "armed terrorist gangs" for the blasts.
But opposition activists said the government was behind the violence.
Residents of the city of Homs meanwhile say tanks are massed outside several opposition-held districts.
Overnight, tanks entered the eastern district of Inshaat, next to the protest centre of Baba Amr, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.
There was also sporadic shelling throughout the city during the morning.
Activists say the intense bombardment of many parts of Homs by security forces since Saturday has left more than 400 people dead. US President Barack Obama has condemned the "outrageous bloodshed".
The opposition has called for nationwide protests on Friday to denounce Russia's veto of a UN Security Council resolution calling on President Bashar al-Assad's government to stop killing its own people.
But Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said the opposition "bore full responsibility" because it had refused to begin talks with the government and accused Western powers of being "accomplices".
'Suspicious activity'
Syrian state TV broadcast images showing at least five corpses and mangled body parts after what it said were two bombings outside a Military Intelligence compound and a police station in Aleppo on Friday.
A weeping TV reporter said the bomb targeting intelligence building went off near a park, where people had gathered for breakfast and children had been playing.
Some children were killed in the blast, he said, holding up a roller-blade.
Bulldozers could be seen in the TV footage clearing debris that filled the street, and nearby residential buildings appeared to have had their windows shattered.
"Civilians and members of the military were martyred and wounded in the terrorist explosions that targeted Aleppo,'' the channel reported.
The channel showed similar footage from the site of the second explosion, which the reporter said was the result of a suicide car bombing.
The blast left a crater several metres wide in the road, blew a lorry onto its side, and hurled chunks of concrete over a wide area. Emergency workers were shown holding up body parts - including hands, feet and a torso - which they placed in black bin bags.
State TV later quoted the health ministry as saying that 25 people had been killed and 175 wounded as a result of the attacks.
The London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights confirmed that there had been two explosions, after earlier reporting that residents had told the group that there had been three.
They said suspicious activity by security personnel had been noticed shortly before the blasts, and accused the government of trying to discredit the uprising.
Aleppo, a mercantile city, has seen only minor protests and relatively little violence since the uprising against President al-Assad erupted in March, which human rights groups say has left more than 7,000 civilians dead.
On 6 January, 26 people were killed in what officials said was a suicide bombing in Damascus. Two weeks earlier, 44 reportedly died in twin suicide bomb attacks targeting security compounds in the capital.
Al-Qaeda behind Syria blasts: US
@shaykh
assalamalaikum brother, your comment made me lol...such concern masha'Allah;
first off bro, I have to say there are times when I will pull back as some people do; my intention on this forum was not to argue, have a grudge with anyone, bad feelings etc
The Messenger of Allah (sall Allahu alayhi wassallam) said (as translated) " The gates of Paradise will be open on Mondays and on Thursdays and every servant (of Allah) who associates nothing with Allah will be forgiven except for the man who has a grudge against his brother. (About them) it will be said; delay these two until they are reconciled, delay these two until they are reconciled;".
(Imam Muslim)
So sometimes as a human being we can let things escalate etc and I dont want that to happen; so for the record if Ive upset anyone on this forum pls forgive me and I ask Allah to forgive me and from my point of view no worries if anyone has done the same to me. You may think nothing has happened and thats fair enough but I dont think there is any harm in pulling back and clearing the air.
Moving on, here is the link, pls listen from about the 1.00 mark; this is the former secretary general of the hizb in leb., a senior position; hizb backed by iran so will people make the assumption that iran is ok with this; subhanAllah the OPTION of allying with your sworn enemy just after a recent war!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj3cOkYt6Y8
Bro no offence has been caused...I just wanted answers to my questions...
As for the clip I am not versed in Arabic so will have to offer a translation...all I will say is it makes absolutely no sense for Iran to ally with Israel considering this whole conflict is based around getting closer to attacking them...I notice you mention the speaker is the former secretary general...not the most legitimate source...
And lets be honest...and I'm Sunni...Wahabi's have been the best at fighting the West's battles for them...
Masha'Allah bro.
I'll be honest Ive relied on someone else re the arabic as well but trying to read the title, the comments below the video and the video itself seems to support what he said that its an option to ally with israel.
He's the former sec. gen. which shows that he was in a position of significance and the fact that he's being interviewed means that he is a somebody.
Bro personally I'm against the usage of the term "wahabi"; we will all be judged for what we've done and why we did it; I dont have to agree with every single action a particular gov takes but re syria: insha'Allah I hope this tyrant is removed.
How much longer before Pakistani jihadis flock to Syria to fight al-Assad forces, thus making us more hated than ever? There's not a place in the world where Pakistanis are never found to be involved in being groomed by Sunni Islamists
Muslims have been under the thumb of Non-Muslims in recent history.
Their divided by ethnicity, and are are treated like Animals by other Muslim puppets.
Whether Muslim or Non-Muslim, it's understandable why a human being would fight to defend himself. Especially if they live like dogs in places like Syria, Libya, Egypt, Yemen etc.
Where puppet leaders will destroy Masjids if their Puppet Masters requests.
The very word "Islamist" is such a condescending, ignorant and illogical word that i really have to question the intelligence of anyone who uses it.
If someone wants to stand up against the likes of Assad, and other idiotic, selfish and tyrannical leaders in the region, who are you to say otherwise?
Nobody hates Pakistan. The only people who hate it are those who would hate it anyway. Anyone with an ounce of sense or decency would not hate Pakistan, but sympathies with it.
So take your self loathing somewhere else kid.
But it's not understandable for a keyboard jihadi like yourself when minority groups want to fight the Taliban like the Hazaras?
Abu Hoseifah was blindfolded and his hands were tied behind his back. He was hoisted up and left to hang on his cell wall like a painting.
He says they poured boiling water over him and he was beaten; on his face, arms, legs and buttocks.
They attached cables to his body, strapped him to a chair and sent electricity surging through his body.
His bloodshot eyes are testament to 80 days of torture and sleep deprivation.
The pink scars from cigarette burns are still bright on his hands and the back of his neck.
Abu Hoseifah's "crime" was to attend an anti-government demonstration. He was arrested and hauled off to the cells of Military Intelligence in Damascus where he says he was abused every day until he was forced to confess to his "crimes against the state".
Just watched the harrowing report smuggled out of Homs by a French Photographer who spent a month there; Shown on the UK Channel 4.
Call it western propaganda if you must; But it's actual Geo-politics preventing any meaningful action against Assad.
And yes such oppression takes place elsewhere and should be condemned similarly whenever and wherever it is encountered.
No solutions; Yet people suffer.
Feb 24 (Reuters) - Leaders of the Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas turned publicly against their long-time ally President Bashar al-Assad of Syria on Friday, endorsing the revolt aimed at overthrowing his dynastic rule.
The policy shift deprives Assad of one of his few remaining Sunni Muslim supporters in the Arab world and deepens his international isolation. It was announced in Hamas speeches at Friday prayers in Cairo and a rally in the Gaza Strip.
Hamas went public after nearly a year of equivocating as Assad's army, largely led by fellow members of the president's Alawite sect, has crushed mainly Sunni protesters and rebels.
In a Middle East split along sectarian lines between Shi'ite and Sunni Islam, the public abandonment of Assad casts immediate questions over Hamas's future ties with its principal backer Iran, which has stuck by its ally Assad, as well as with Iran's fellow Shi'ite allies in Lebanon's Hezbollah movement.
"I salute all the nations of the Arab Spring and I salute the heroic people of Syria who are striving for freedom, democracy and reform," Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, visiting Egypt from the Gaza Strip, told thousands of Friday worshippers at Cairo's al-Azhar mosque.
"We are marching towards Syria, with millions of martyrs," chanted worshippers at al-Azhar, home to one of the Sunni world's highest seats of learning. "No Hezbollah and no Iran.
"The Syrian revolution is an Arab revolution."
Contemporary political rivalries have exacerbated tensions that date back centuries between Sunnis - the vast majority of Arabs - and Shi'ites, who form substantial Arab populations, notably in Lebanon and Iraq, and who dominate in non-Arab Iran.
Hamas and Hezbollah, confronting Israel on its southwestern and northern borders, have long had a strategic alliance against the Jewish state, despite opposing positions on the sectarian divide. Both have fought wars with Israel in the past six years.
But as the Sunni-Shi'ite split in the Middle East deepens, Hamas appears to have cast its lot with the powerful, Egypt-based Sunni Islamists of the Muslim Brotherhood, whose star has been in the ascendant since the Arab Spring revolts last year.
HAMAS MAKES ITS CHOICE
"This is considered a big step in the direction of cutting ties with Syria," said Hany al-Masri, a Palestinian political commentator. Damascus might now opt to formally expel Hamas's exile headquarters from Syria, he told Reuters.
Banned by deposed Egyptian leader Hosni Mubarak, the Muslim Brotherhood has moved to the centre of public life. It is the ideological parent of Hamas, which was founded 25 years ago among the Palestinians, the majority of whom are Sunni Muslims.
Shi'ite Hezbollah still supports the Assad family, from the minority Alawite sect, an offshoot of Shi'ite Islam, which has maintained authoritarian rule over Syria's Sunni majority for four decades but now may have its back to the wall.
Hamas, however, has been deeply embarrassed among Palestinians by its association with Assad, as the death toll in his crackdown on opponents has risen into the thousands.
In Gaza, senior Hamas member Salah al-Bardaweel addressed thousands of supporters at a rally in Khan Younis refugee camp, sending "a message to the peoples who have not been liberated yet, those free peoples who are still bleeding every day."
"The hearts of the Palestinian people bleed with every drop of bloodshed in Syria," Bardaweel said. "No political considerations will make us turn a blind eye to what is happening on the soil of Syria."
ANTI-ISRAEL AXIS WEAKENED
The divorce between Hamas and Damascus had been coming for months. The Palestinian group had angered Assad last year when it refused a request to hold public rallies in Palestinian refugee camps in Syria in support of his government.
Hamas's exile political leader Khaled Meshaal and his associates quietly quit their headquarters in Damascus and have stayed away from Syria for months now, although Hamas tried to deny their absence had anything to do with the revolt.
Haniyeh visited Iran earlier this month on a mission to shore up ties with the power that has provided Hamas with money and weapons to fight Israel. It is not clear what the outcome of his visit has been, though the tone of the latest Hamas comments is hardly compatible with continued warm relations with Tehran.
Rallies in favor of Syria's Sunni majority have been rare in the coastal enclave but on Friday it seemed the Islamist rulers of the territory had decided to break the silence.
"Nations do not get defeated. They do not retreat and they do not get broken. We are on your side and on the side of all free peoples," said Bardaweel.
"God is Greatest," the crowd chanted. "Victory to the people of Syria."
Hamas-Hezbollah relations have been good in the past. But Hamas did not attack Israel when it was fighting Hezbollah in 2006 and Hezbollah did not join in when Israel mounted a major offensive against Hamas in Gaza in the winter of 2008-2009.
Anything that divides Hamas and Hezbollah is likely to be welcomed by Israel, which has been watching warily recent moves by Hamas to reconcile differences with its Palestinian rivals in Fatah, the movement of President Mahmoud Abbas.
There was no immediate Israeli comment on Friday's speeches.
Feb 24 (Reuters) - Leaders of the Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas turned publicly against their long-time ally President Bashar al-Assad of Syria on Friday, endorsing the revolt aimed at overthrowing his dynastic rule.
The policy shift deprives Assad of one of his few remaining Sunni Muslim supporters in the Arab world and deepens his international isolation. It was announced in Hamas speeches at Friday prayers in Cairo and a rally in the Gaza Strip.
Hamas went public after nearly a year of equivocating as Assad's army, largely led by fellow members of the president's Alawite sect, has crushed mainly Sunni protesters and rebels.
In a Middle East split along sectarian lines between Shi'ite and Sunni Islam, the public abandonment of Assad casts immediate questions over Hamas's future ties with its principal backer Iran, which has stuck by its ally Assad, as well as with Iran's fellow Shi'ite allies in Lebanon's Hezbollah movement.
"I salute all the nations of the Arab Spring and I salute the heroic people of Syria who are striving for freedom, democracy and reform," Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, visiting Egypt from the Gaza Strip, told thousands of Friday worshippers at Cairo's al-Azhar mosque.
"We are marching towards Syria, with millions of martyrs," chanted worshippers at al-Azhar, home to one of the Sunni world's highest seats of learning. "No Hezbollah and no Iran.
"The Syrian revolution is an Arab revolution."
Contemporary political rivalries have exacerbated tensions that date back centuries between Sunnis - the vast majority of Arabs - and Shi'ites, who form substantial Arab populations, notably in Lebanon and Iraq, and who dominate in non-Arab Iran.
Hamas and Hezbollah, confronting Israel on its southwestern and northern borders, have long had a strategic alliance against the Jewish state, despite opposing positions on the sectarian divide. Both have fought wars with Israel in the past six years.
But as the Sunni-Shi'ite split in the Middle East deepens, Hamas appears to have cast its lot with the powerful, Egypt-based Sunni Islamists of the Muslim Brotherhood, whose star has been in the ascendant since the Arab Spring revolts last year.
HAMAS MAKES ITS CHOICE
"This is considered a big step in the direction of cutting ties with Syria," said Hany al-Masri, a Palestinian political commentator. Damascus might now opt to formally expel Hamas's exile headquarters from Syria, he told Reuters.
Banned by deposed Egyptian leader Hosni Mubarak, the Muslim Brotherhood has moved to the centre of public life. It is the ideological parent of Hamas, which was founded 25 years ago among the Palestinians, the majority of whom are Sunni Muslims.
Shi'ite Hezbollah still supports the Assad family, from the minority Alawite sect, an offshoot of Shi'ite Islam, which has maintained authoritarian rule over Syria's Sunni majority for four decades but now may have its back to the wall.
Hamas, however, has been deeply embarrassed among Palestinians by its association with Assad, as the death toll in his crackdown on opponents has risen into the thousands.
In Gaza, senior Hamas member Salah al-Bardaweel addressed thousands of supporters at a rally in Khan Younis refugee camp, sending "a message to the peoples who have not been liberated yet, those free peoples who are still bleeding every day."
"The hearts of the Palestinian people bleed with every drop of bloodshed in Syria," Bardaweel said. "No political considerations will make us turn a blind eye to what is happening on the soil of Syria."
ANTI-ISRAEL AXIS WEAKENED
The divorce between Hamas and Damascus had been coming for months. The Palestinian group had angered Assad last year when it refused a request to hold public rallies in Palestinian refugee camps in Syria in support of his government.
Hamas's exile political leader Khaled Meshaal and his associates quietly quit their headquarters in Damascus and have stayed away from Syria for months now, although Hamas tried to deny their absence had anything to do with the revolt.
Haniyeh visited Iran earlier this month on a mission to shore up ties with the power that has provided Hamas with money and weapons to fight Israel. It is not clear what the outcome of his visit has been, though the tone of the latest Hamas comments is hardly compatible with continued warm relations with Tehran.
Rallies in favor of Syria's Sunni majority have been rare in the coastal enclave but on Friday it seemed the Islamist rulers of the territory had decided to break the silence.
"Nations do not get defeated. They do not retreat and they do not get broken. We are on your side and on the side of all free peoples," said Bardaweel.
"God is Greatest," the crowd chanted. "Victory to the people of Syria."
Hamas-Hezbollah relations have been good in the past. But Hamas did not attack Israel when it was fighting Hezbollah in 2006 and Hezbollah did not join in when Israel mounted a major offensive against Hamas in Gaza in the winter of 2008-2009.
Anything that divides Hamas and Hezbollah is likely to be welcomed by Israel, which has been watching warily recent moves by Hamas to reconcile differences with its Palestinian rivals in Fatah, the movement of President Mahmoud Abbas.
There was no immediate Israeli comment on Friday's speeches.
The 'rebels' or the 'free syrian army' have plenty of weapons including sniper rifals to rocket launchers. They initially gathered near the border towns of Turkey while also being supplied by Qatar with Saudi and western backing.
Can you explain how they are so well armed?
Why does America and it's allies are so worried about the Syrian people when they never are about Palestinians? USA veto's any resolutions which criticise Israel. Do you actually take these people at face value?
Millons of Syrians support the regime so why are you supporting one side?
Being a devout Sunni Muslim I support the Iranian people for their right to nuclear enegry or nuclear bomb if they wish to and condemn the Arabs for supporting attacks against Iran . But that doesn't meant that we should be silent when Iran supports a tyrant dictator like Assad against the will of Syrian people .
The Aspirations of Syrian people is no different from Egypt all they want is basic amenities and more importantly dignity which is denied by this tyrant regime ruling them for 41years and counting
Robert Fisk: The fearful realities keeping the Assad regime in power
Nevermind the claims of armchair interventionists and the hypocrisy of Western leaders, this is what is really happening in Syria
Robert Fisk
Sunday, 4 March 2012
In my 1912 Baedeker guide to Syria, a page and a half is devoted to the city of Homs. In tiny print, it says that, "in the plain to the south-east, you come across the village of Baba Amr. A visit to the arcaded bazaar is worthwhile – here you will find beautiful silks. To the north of Homs, on a square, there is an artillery barracks..." The bazaar has long since been demolished, though the barracks inevitably passed from Ottoman into French and ultimately into Baathist hands; for 27 days last month, this bastion has been visiting hell on what was once the village of Baba Amr.
Once a Roman city, where the crusaders committed their first act of cannibalism – eating their dead Muslim opponents – Homs was captured by Saladin in 1174. Under post-First World War French rule, the settlement became a centre of insurrection and, after independence, the very kernel of Baathist resistance to the first Syrian governments. By early 1964, there were battles in Homs between Sunnis and Alawi Shia. A year later, the young Baathist army commander of Homs, Lieutenant Colonel Mustafa Tlas, was arresting his pro-regime comrades. Is the city's history becoming a little clearer now?
As one of the Sunni nouveaux riches who would support the Alawi regime, Tlas became defence minister in Hafez al-Assad's Baathist government. Under their post-1919 mandate, the French had created a unit of "Special Forces" in which the Alawis were given privileged positions; one of their strongholds was the military academy in Homs. One of the academy's most illustrious students under Hafez al-Assad's rule – graduating in 1994 – was his son Bashar. Bashar's uncle, Adnan Makhlouf, graduated second to him; Makhlouf is today regarded as the corrupting element in the Assad regime.
Later, Bashar would become a doctor at the military Tishreen Hospital in Damascus (where today most of the Syrian army's thousands of victims are taken for post-mortem examination before their funerals). Bashar did not forget Homs; his British-born Sunni wife came from a Homs family. One of his closest advisers, Bouthaina Shabaan, comes from Homs; even last year the city was too dangerous for her to visit her mother's grave on the anniversary of her death. Homs lies deep in the heart of all Syrians, Sunni and Alawite alike. Is it surprising that it should have been the Golgotha of the uprising? Or that the Syrian authorities should have determined that its recapture would break the back of the revolution? To the north, 30 years ago, Hafez Assad created more than 10,000 "martyrs" in Hama; last week, Homs became a little Hama, the city's martyrdom predicted by its past.
So why were we so surprised when the "Free Syrian Army" fled the city? Did we really expect the Assad regime to close up shop and run because a few hundred men with Kalashnikovs wanted to stage a miniature Warsaw uprising in Homs? Did we really believe that the deaths of women and children – and journalists – would prevent those who still claim the mantle of Arab nationalism from crushing the city? When the West happily adopted the illusions of Nicolas Sarkozy, David Cameron and Hillary Clinton – and the Arab Gulf states whose demands for Syrian "democracy" are matched by their refusal to give this same democracy to their own people – the Syrians understood the hypocrisy.
Were the Saudis, now so keen to arm Syria's Sunni insurgents – along with Sunni Qatar – planning to surrender their feudal, princely Sunni power to their own citizens and to their Shia minority? Was the Emir of Qatar contemplating resignation? Among the lobbyists of Washington, among the illusionists at the Brookings Institution and the Rand Corporation and the Council on Foreign Relations and all the other US outfits that peddle New York Times editorials, Homs had become the new Benghazi, the start-line for the advance on Damascus.
It was the same old American dream: if a police state was ruthless, cynical and corrupt – and let us have no illusions about the Baathist apparatus and its panjandrum – then its opponents, however poorly armed, would win; because they were the good guys. The old clichés clanked into focus. The Baathists were Nazis; Bashar a mere cipher in the hands of his family; his wife, Asma, variously an Eva Braun, Marie Antoinette or Lady Macbeth. Upon this nonsense, the West and the Arabs built their hopes.
The more Sarkozy, Cameron and Clinton raged against Syria's atrocities, the more forceful they were in refusing all military help to the rebels. There were conditions to be met. The Syrian opposition had to unite before they could expect help. They had to speak with one voice – as if Gaddafi's opponents did anything like this before Nato decided to bomb him out of power. Sarkozy's hypocrisy was all too obvious to the Syrians. So anxious was he to boost his chances in the French presidential election that he deployed hundreds of diplomats and "experts" to "rescue" the French freelance journalist Edith Bouvier, hampering all the efforts of NGOs to bring her to safety. Not many months ago, this wretched man was cynically denouncing two male French journalists – foolhardy, he called them - who had spent months in Taliban custody in Afghanistan.
French elections, Russian elections, Iranian elections, Syrian referendums – and, of course, US elections: it's amazing how much "democracy" can derail sane policies in the Middle East. Putin supports an Arab leader (Assad) who announces that he has done his best "to protect my people, so I don't feel I have anything to be blamed for... you don't feel you're to blame when you don't kill your own people". I suppose that would be Putin's excuse after his army butchered the Chechens. As it happens, I don't remember Britain's PM saying this about Irish Catholics on Bloody Sunday in 1972 – but perhaps Northern Ireland's Catholics didn't count as Britain's "people"?
No, I'm not comparing like with like. Grozny, with which the wounded photographer Paul Conroy drew a memorable parallel on Friday, has more in common with Baba Amr than Derry. But there is a distressing habit of denouncing anyone who tries to talk reality. Those who claimed that the IRA would eventually find their way into politics and government in Northern Ireland – I was one – were routinely denounced as being "in cahoots with terrorists". When I said in a talk in Istanbul just before Christmas that the Assad regime would not collapse with the speed of other Arab dictatorships – that Christian and Alawite civilians were also being murdered – a young Syrian began shrieking at me, demanding to know "how much you are being paid by Assad's secret police"? Untrue, but understandable. The young man came from Deraa and had been tortured by Syria's mukhabarat.
The truth is that the Syrians occupied Lebanon for almost 30 years and, long after they left in 2005, we were still finding their political claws deep inside the red soil of Beirut. Their intelligence services were still in full operation, their power to kill undiminished, their Lebanese allies in the Beirut parliament. And if the Baathists could smother Lebanon in so powerful a sisterly embrace for so long, what makes anyone think they will relinquish Syria itself easily? As long as Assad can keep Damascus and Aleppo, he can survive.
After all, the sadistic ex-secret police boss Najibullah clung on as leader of Afghanistan for years when all he could do was fly between Kabul and Kandahar. It might be said that, with all Obama's horses and all Obama's men on his side, this is pretty much all Hamid Karzai – with his cruel secret police, his regime's corruption, his bogus elections – can do today. But that is not a comparison to commend itself to Washington, Paris, London, Doha or Riyadh, or even Istanbul.
So what of Bashar Assad? There are those who believe that he really still wants to go down in history as the man who gave Syria its freedom. Preposterous, of course. The problem is that even if this is true, there are those for whom any profound political change becomes a threat to their power and to their lives. The security police generals and the Baathist paramilitaries will fight to the death for Assad, loyal to a man, because – even if they don't admire him – they know that his overthrow means their own deaths. But if Assad were to indicate that he intended to "overthrow" himself – if the referendum and the new constitution and all the "democratic" changes he talks about became real – these notorious men would feel both fear and fury. Why, in this case, should they any longer remain loyal?
No, Bashar Assad is not a cipher. He is taking the decisions. But his father, Hafez, came to power in 1970 in a "corrective" revolution; "corrections" can always be made again. In the name of Baathism. In the name of Arab nationalism. In the name of crushing the al-Qa'ida-Zionist-Islamist-terrorist enemy. In the name of history.
Robert Fisk: The fearful realities keeping the Assad regime in power
Nevermind the claims of armchair interventionists and the hypocrisy of Western leaders, this is what is really happening in Syria
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...eeping-the-assad-regime-in-power-7534769.html
^ Shaykh - Sorry that was the tagline for the article from the Indpendent.
I agree with it and also what you say to an extent; The civilian militias (They are not an army at all) exist but Assad's Siege tactics leave alot to be desired.
To answer your question:
I don't know.
As a sovereign country you can't just "Leave" the militias alone
But you can't ignore why people take up arms in the first place.
Likewise, you can't attempt to fight your government with weapons when you have no real mandate from the people you claim to be fighting for.
Nor can you go house to house executing alleged militias at will in front of young children or not differentiate between civilians and Militias.
It's a mess; International Military intervention is the last thing the people of Homs would benefit from...
(Reuters) - Syrian rebels fighting to oust President Bashar al-Assad have been accused of using children as fighters in violation of international conventions banning the recruitment of child soldiers, a senior U.N. official said on Monday.
The U.N. concern about the possibility that Syria's opposition may be using child soldiers follows last week's report from the New York-based rights group Human Rights Watch that armed Syrian opposition groups have kidnapped, tortured and executed members of supporters of Assad and members of his security forces.
"We are receiving allegations of children with the Free Syrian Army," Radhika Coomaraswamy, U.N. special representative for children and armed conflict, said in response to a question about Syria's rebels. She gave no details.
Syrian rebels not quite the freedom fighters they seem to be...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/26/us-syria-un-idUSBRE82P0W220120326
Human Rights Watch has condemned abuses committed by Syrian rebels in their stronghold of Homs. But one member of a rebel "burial brigade" who has executed four men by slitting their throats defended his work in an interview with SPIEGEL ONLINE. "If we don't do it, nobody will hold these perpetrators to account," he said.
Hussein can barely remember the first time he executed someone. It was probably in a cemetery in the evening, or at night; he can't recall exactly. It was definitely mid-October of last year, and the man was Shiite, for sure. He had confessed to killing women -- decent women, whose husbands and sons had protested against Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime. So the rebels had decided that the man, a soldier in the Syrian army, deserved to die, too.
Hussein didn't care if the man had been beaten into a confession, or that he was terrified of death and had begun to stammer prayers. It was his tough luck that the rebels had caught him. Hussein took out his army knife and sliced the kneeling man's neck. His comrades from the so-called "burial brigade" quickly interred the blood-stained corpse in the sand of the graveyard west of the Baba Amr area of the rebel stronghold of Homs. At the time, the neighborhood was in the hands of the insurgents.
That first execution was a rite of passage for Hussein. He now became a member of the Homs burial brigade. The men, of which there are only a handful, kill in the name of the Syrian revolution. They leave torture to others; that's what the so-called interrogation brigade is for. "They do the ugly work," says Hussein, who is currently being treated in a hospital in the Lebanese city of Tripoli. He was injured when a piece of shrapnel became lodged in his back during the army's ground invasion of Baba Amr in early March.
He is recovering in relatively safe Lebanon until he can return to Syria and "get back to work." It's a job he considers relatively clean. "Most men can torture, but they're not able to kill from close range," he explains. "I don't know why, but it doesn't bother me. That's why they gave me the job of executioner. It's something for a madman like me."
Before he joined the Farouk Brigade, as the Baba Amr militia is known, last August, the 24-year-old had worked as a salesman. "I can sell everything, from porcelain to yogurt," he says.
How the Rebels Lost Their Innocence
The bloody uprising against the Assad regime has now lasted for a year. And Hussein's story illustrates that, in this time, the rebels have also lost their innocence.
There are probably many reasons for that development. Hussein can rattle off several of them. "There are no longer any laws in Syria," he says. "Soldiers or thugs hired by the regime kill men, maim children and rape our women. If we don't do it, nobody will hold these perpetrators to account."
Another reason, he explains, is the desire for vengeance. "I have been arrested twice. I was tortured for 72 hours. They hung me by the hands, until the joints in my shoulders cracked. They burnt me with hot irons. Of course I want revenge."
His family, too, has suffered. He explains that he lost three uncles, all murdered by the regime. "One of them died with his five children," he says. "Their murderers deserve no mercy."
Most chillingly, Hussein believes that violence is simply in the nature of his society. "Children in France grow up with French, and learn to speak it perfectly," he says. "We Syrians were brought up with the language of violence. We don't speak anything else."
But in spite of all the rebels' justification for their brand of self-administered justice, Hussein's actions fall under what the non-governmental organization Human Rights Watch on Tuesday condemned as "serious human rights abuses" on the part of the Syrian rebels. In the corridors of the hospital in Tripoli, Hussein and his fellow injured comrades speak openly about the fact that they, just like the regime's troops, torture and kill. They find the criticism from the human rights activists unfair: "We rebels are trying to defend the people. We're fighting against slaughterers. When we catch them, we must strike hard," says one fighter, who goes by the nom de guerre Abu Rami.
Alternative Justice System
Over the course of the last year, Homs had developed into the unofficial capital of the revolution. Until a few weeks ago, the rebels controlled whole neighborhoods of the city, especially the district of Baba Amr. But that area was overrun by government troops in early March. The fight between rebels and government forces has now shifted to the neighboring district of Khalidiya.
According to Abu Rami and Hussein, the alternative justice system that the rebels set up in Homs last fall remains intact. "When we catch regime supporters, they are brought before a court martial," they say. The commander of the rebels in Homs, Abu Mohammed, presides over the court. He is assisted by Abu Hussein, the head of the coordinating committee. "Sometimes even more men act as a jury," says Hussein. The interrogation brigade reports on the confessions of the accused. Often the suspects even had videos on their cell phones that showed atrocities being perpetrated against insurgents, the men say. "In that situation, their guilt is established quickly." In the event of a conviction, the prisoners are then handed over to Hussein's burial brigade, which takes them to gardens or to the cemetery. And then Hussein comes along with his knife.
So far, Hussein has cut the throats of four men. Among the group of executioners in Homs, he is the least experienced -- something that he almost seems apologetic about. "I was wounded four times in the last seven months," he says. "I was out of action for a long time." On top of that, he also has other commitments. "I operate our heavy machine gun, a Russian BKC. Naturally I have killed a lot more men with that. But only four with the blade." That will change soon, he says. "I hope I will be released from the hospital next week and can return to Homs. Then those dogs will be in for it."
'Sometimes We Acquit People'
The rebels in Homs began carrying out regular executions in August of last year, shortly after the conflict in the country began to escalate, says Hussein's comrade Abu Rami. In his Adidas tracksuit, he looks like any other convalescent in the hospital. But Abu Rami is a senior member of the Homs militia. The other Syrians in the ward greet him respectfully and pay close attention to his words.
"Since last summer, we have executed slightly fewer than 150 men, which represents about 20 percent of our prisoners," says Abu Rami. Those prisoners who are not convicted and sentenced to death are exchanged for rebel prisoners or detained protesters, he says. But the executioners of Homs have been busier with traitors within their own ranks than with prisoners of war. "If we catch a Sunni spying, or if a citizen betrays the revolution, we make it quick," says the fighter. According to Abu Rami, Hussein's burial brigade has put between 200 and 250 traitors to death since the beginning of the uprising.
He dismisses any doubts about whether these people were really all guilty and whether they received a fair trial. "We make great efforts to investigate thoroughly," Abu Rami says. "Sometimes we acquit people, too."
Apart from anything else, it is simply the nature of every revolution to be bloody, Abu Rami explains. "Syria is not a country for the sensitive."
Disgusting scenes.
The whole syrian state revolves around Bashar, this cult of a personality who has been oppressing his people for so long.
But wth OP.
Rafida, majoosi these are titles reserved for us shias. Alawis dont deserve such titles.
Edit: Internet is also filled with videos of the brutality of the US-Saudi backed Syrian opposition, so in this war neither side is totally innocent.
Some shias trying to defend Bashar Al- Asad and Co![]()
The whole syrian state revolves around Bashar, this cult of a personality who has been oppressing his people for so long.
Thats directed towards me obviously.
If the above wasnt enough, let me make it clear because some people have comprehension issues. Bashar is a tyrant, a oppressor in my books and I will never defend him.
Now move along son![]()
Uncle- Posting propangada videos with captions and claiming opposition/resistance movement to be Saudi backed show what u want to prove here.