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Brother I do understand your point of more divisions making it easier for enemies to invade, control etc I am aware of that, same as Im aware that from the point of the US its all about israel and oil (prob in that order as well); the fact that it'll be easier re any conflict with iran, more influence in the M.E., reducing russian inluence etc etc etc this is not some complex foreign policy scenario that only a politically informed person will comprehend imo (there may be smaller issues within the above, but generally those are the substantive issues in this case imo).
For some its all about backing those opposed to US hegemony NO MATTER WHAT. For example, as much as I agree with galloway on several issues I happen to disagree with him as well.
I dont think that wanting the muslims of syria to be saved from the oppressive alawis is sectarianism; you may think it is; And I believe in the Ayah of the Quran stating to the effect of that Allah is the best of Planners.
So let them plan, plot as they want to; we should do everything on our part and trust in Allah.
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1. Again your doing that standard Islamist thing which is to claim that every conflict with tyrants is tyrants vs Muslims...there are plenty of Muslims who are Sunni who back Assad...there are Christians, Druze and Alawi who both oppose and back Assad...you guys are very selective with your view of fighting the tyrant leader...I notice that when it comes to the Kufr that the Saudis implement then of course the verses from the Quran don't apply...please do also tell me about the Islam that Yemen implement considering you have expressed your support against the Houthis and please do inform me of the Islam that Bahrain implement...you can't just twist things to suit your perspective...you keep drumming on about Islam so please do tell me how you have Islamically decided that what some Syrians are doing is fine but elsewhere these rules can't be applied...or in simple terms why is fighting Saleh or the Saudi monarchy wrong but fighting Assad Islamic...
2. You haven't backed up your point...saying millions of Muslims think so means nothing...the most popular papers in the UK are the Sun and Daily Mail...just cos more people think something doesn't make your point stronger...I am intrigued as to why you think Libya is any different to Iraq or Afghanistan?...and actual points please...not just imo...if you have an opinion I would like to think its based on something tangible so if it is then express it...
4. Lol what selective use of points...so the Syrian Free Army have been benign and not attacked anyone right?...you support one insurgency but the Houthis are incorrect right?...I'm waiting for you to complain about Saudi brutality and American droning...cos the Houthis aren't really armed either...so by your definition this should be classed as a massacre not a conflict based on your selective criteria...
5. Which comes to the hypocrisy of your point...even if I support an insurgency I call it an insurgency...I wouldn't call a combatant a non combatant even if I supported their cause...but in your case your criticising some insurgents like the Houthis but hey the likes of Sunni Syrians even when they use arms and attack civilians and soldiers can not fall into the realm of combatants...your opinion means very little when you can't back it up...
6 + 7 ...you didn't back up you point frankly...
8 Iran does want more influence in the Muslim world...its not rocket science...I just find it amusing that you find the Saudis legitimate...British funded from the beginning who have done nothing but support the West with their policies in the Middle East and elsewhere...its frankly a shame that such a bunch of jokers are left in charge of our most holy of places...please do defend this regime you have so much love for...
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One of the best Islamic related posts on PP; And I'm always on the opposite side of the fence to you on most issues, but this is incredibly poignant and succinct.
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Sectarianism is alright because as we all know the Prophet (PBUH) said there will be x number of sects; So it's all good.
It's one thing to follow a different interpretation; It's another to claim a monopoly over an entire Text, Religion and Philosophy... and vow to kill/destroy/battle against those who follow a different interpretation to you..
It's one thing to follow a different interpretation; It's another to claim a monopoly over an entire Text, Religion and Philosophy... and vow to kill/destroy/battle against those who follow a different interpretation to you..
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Well done Shaykh for the point- by point demolition job; esp. for stating it like it is. But the Saudi's are Sunni innit like the civilian Sunni's in Syria, even the armed ones, so it's all good compared to the Evil Shia's.
Hate them. Hate them. Hate Them....
It's funny cos it's true.
I quite clearly said that the position re: conflicts etc from MY point of view is; what is islamically permissible.
I support the believers in syria against the oppressive alawis. You have not shown any proof from the Quran and sunnah that what I have said is incorrect. If it is wrong I'll make taubah for it.
Bring your proof from the Quran and sunnah to show that the above statement is wrong. I think Ive asked about 3 times and nothing as yet.
Is it wrong to support the believers against the oppressive alawis ?
I support the believers in syria against the oppressive alawis. You have not shown any proof from the Quran and sunnah that what I have said is incorrect. If it is wrong I'll make taubah for it.
Bring your proof from the Quran and sunnah to show that the above statement is wrong. I think Ive asked about 3 times and nothing as yet.
Is it wrong to support the believers against the oppressive alawis ?
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The very fact you mention their sect gives it away. If there is no secterianism then you should really say 'saved from an oppressive regime'.
Do you say the same for majority Shia's which are being persecuted by the rulers of Bahrain? No you lay the blame on Iran but when it comes to Syria you don't lay the blame on outsiders? Why the double standards?
Also the verse regarding plotting and planning wasn't aimed at any particular sect.
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may Allah (Swt) send his Wrath upon the Assad Regime and punish them with the most severest of punishments! Ameen
Inshallah once Caliphate is established and these tyrants in the Muslim World are still around, the Caliph will humiliate them too!
@ brother Azhar, brilliant posts as usual!
Inshallah once Caliphate is established and these tyrants in the Muslim World are still around, the Caliph will humiliate them too!
@ brother Azhar, brilliant posts as usual!
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brother you are absolutely right, we stand with the believers in Syria against the oppression being perpetrated on our brethren!
@kkwc;
Brother, as I said before imo I dont believe it to be sectarianism. This is the reality of syrian alawis (backed by iran) persecuting the sunnis, (whether there are some sunnis supporting assad or not and whether it serves US interests or not).
If for example the ahmadis in pakistan went on a mass killing spree slaughtering non ahmadis would people refer to them as "ahmadis killing...." or would they say "muslim/citizens of pakistan are killing...." ? Most if not all references imo would be made as "ahmadis killing..."; Would this then be considered as sectarianism ? (you might have ahmadis preferring not to have their sect specifically cited).
And bro you're talking about divisions between muslims, well can you then explain why the ex secretary general of hizbAllah (which is backed by iran) recently said words to the effect of that if the sunnis of syria gained power then they would have to make peace with the sunnis or ally themselves with......ISRAEL!!!! Yes their sworn enemy who they recently had a war with. So would that make them partners with israel re their occupation of palestine or not ?
In any event, with all due respect no one has provided any proof from the Quran and sunnah which shows that my support for the believers against the oppressive alawis is incorrect. In fact, the senior scholar shiekh salih luhaidan supports the resistance against the alawi regime, alhamdulillah.
Re: planning and plotting verse: I didnt say it was related to any particluar sect; it was a general point I was making.
Re: Iran; I do not support the increase of influence of the iranian regime.
Brother, as I said before imo I dont believe it to be sectarianism. This is the reality of syrian alawis (backed by iran) persecuting the sunnis, (whether there are some sunnis supporting assad or not and whether it serves US interests or not).
If for example the ahmadis in pakistan went on a mass killing spree slaughtering non ahmadis would people refer to them as "ahmadis killing...." or would they say "muslim/citizens of pakistan are killing...." ? Most if not all references imo would be made as "ahmadis killing..."; Would this then be considered as sectarianism ? (you might have ahmadis preferring not to have their sect specifically cited).
And bro you're talking about divisions between muslims, well can you then explain why the ex secretary general of hizbAllah (which is backed by iran) recently said words to the effect of that if the sunnis of syria gained power then they would have to make peace with the sunnis or ally themselves with......ISRAEL!!!! Yes their sworn enemy who they recently had a war with. So would that make them partners with israel re their occupation of palestine or not ?
In any event, with all due respect no one has provided any proof from the Quran and sunnah which shows that my support for the believers against the oppressive alawis is incorrect. In fact, the senior scholar shiekh salih luhaidan supports the resistance against the alawi regime, alhamdulillah.
Re: planning and plotting verse: I didnt say it was related to any particluar sect; it was a general point I was making.
Re: Iran; I do not support the increase of influence of the iranian regime.
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Lol not to be rude but your either deliberately ducking and diving or you can't comprehend simple points...
It is not only the Sunnis that oppose the Alawis...who for the record I do consider Muslim either...but Alawis, Shia's and Christians...there are also many from each group who support the Alawi oppressor...your trying to switch this into a Sunni V Alawi conflict which is overly simplistic...
And on top of that you could be allowed leeway for such a point if you didn't show your hypocrisy when it comes to judging other conflicts...I asked you specifically about Saleh and why murdering Houthis was ok...and why you define that as a civil conflict...when Abdullah said openly that protests in Saudi Arabia would lead to a shoot on sight policy where is your condemnation...
Don't pretend to be principled on the issue when you back a Saudi regime that has brought nothing but torment to Muslims...
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@ azhar329... That was supposed to do 'not' consider...no I do not believe alawi's to be Muslim...shia's don't either...you keep missing the point though...yes we get it he's a non-muslim ruler...the guys who are fighting are not fighting for Islam...and to implement Islam whatever the deluded Hters on this forum are trying to suggest...incidentally what is the Islamic opinion on being proxy of non muslims and inviting foreign interventions by non-muslims...also I'm still waiting for you to tell me about Saleh and Yemen...droning + murder of Houthis is ok right?...what makes Saleh more legitimate than assad?...don't you and the hters continuously harp on about 'ruling by what Allah has revealed'?...where is that done today?...
This is simply a case of a power hungry man trying to maintain his families "right" to the throne of Syria. Those suggesting it’s a Shia/Alawi vs Sunni conflict are mistaken and such thinking is very dangerous. Assad wants people to think this is a sectarian conflict where those opposing him are radical Wahhabis under the influence of Al-Qaeda, thus garnishing support from minority groups out of fear. Again, such thinking will only divide Syrians and the rest of the region even more; leading to more hate and bloodshed in the long run and unfortunately many are led into the trap of falling for this way of thinking. People need to accept the fact that innocents are dying, regardless of what side they are on, and need to promote peace and proper dialogue (This is almost impossible though because of weak civilian and government institutions which IS THE CORE ISSUE).
Even if Assad has popular support in Syria, the manner in which he has went about this whole situation shows his weaknesses as a leader and how unjust he really is. This fact is what must be condemned by all, not the fact that he is Alawi for such thinking will only result in more bloodshed later on, and the everlasting peace most are after will not come! Does sectarianism exist? Yes, but remember the uprisings did not arise due to sectarianism which IS a result of hate that arises from unjust rule.
Assad will simply stomp on anyone that’s a threat to his power and the biggest threat to him are citizens that want a proper system instilled in their society, and most of these people happen to be sunni (3/4 of Syria are sunni) in regions near Homs, etc. This does NOT make it a Sunni vs Alawi conflict as many are making it out to be and ONCE AGAIN such thinking will not solve the core problem that exists all throughout the region, which is that of corrupt dictators and dreadfully weak civilian institutions which are kept as such to allow families to rule for generations untouched, unless mass bloodshed occurs to bring the next power hungry family in power.
By making it appear to be a sectarian issue, the next in line to rule Syria most likely will commit the same atrocities Assad did if any revolt does arise, using as ONE of their tools the propaganda of hate people may have gained from the rule of the previous regime. This cycle will continue and it is this cycle that has plagued the ummah for centuries resulting in many lives whether it be Sunni, Shia, atheist, etc.
Look what happened in Iraq. You have Saddam, this evil man that unfortunately calls himself a sunni muslim, killing shias, kurds (many of which are also sunni), etc because they were a threat to his power. Sunnis that did support him mainly did so because they were safe under his rule. Now you have new rulers in Iraq who are most likely as inept in terms of ruling a nation, but to hold onto their power in times of strife, will incite sectarian violence to divert a ttention saying these groups only hate "us" because of what we believe in… this will be done unchecked because of weak civilian and government institutions….this can not be reiterated enough. This fight on religious lines needs to be stopped and w.e. one practices should only be between them and their creator and the real issues that exist need to be addressed. Sectarianism is just a tool used by the unjust to divert the minds of individuals from the real core issues. Please do not fall for this trap. It will incite more hate which unfortunately many have these days which will only lead to more bloodshed for years to come and we'll remain weak as a society.
Even if Assad has popular support in Syria, the manner in which he has went about this whole situation shows his weaknesses as a leader and how unjust he really is. This fact is what must be condemned by all, not the fact that he is Alawi for such thinking will only result in more bloodshed later on, and the everlasting peace most are after will not come! Does sectarianism exist? Yes, but remember the uprisings did not arise due to sectarianism which IS a result of hate that arises from unjust rule.
Assad will simply stomp on anyone that’s a threat to his power and the biggest threat to him are citizens that want a proper system instilled in their society, and most of these people happen to be sunni (3/4 of Syria are sunni) in regions near Homs, etc. This does NOT make it a Sunni vs Alawi conflict as many are making it out to be and ONCE AGAIN such thinking will not solve the core problem that exists all throughout the region, which is that of corrupt dictators and dreadfully weak civilian institutions which are kept as such to allow families to rule for generations untouched, unless mass bloodshed occurs to bring the next power hungry family in power.
By making it appear to be a sectarian issue, the next in line to rule Syria most likely will commit the same atrocities Assad did if any revolt does arise, using as ONE of their tools the propaganda of hate people may have gained from the rule of the previous regime. This cycle will continue and it is this cycle that has plagued the ummah for centuries resulting in many lives whether it be Sunni, Shia, atheist, etc.
Look what happened in Iraq. You have Saddam, this evil man that unfortunately calls himself a sunni muslim, killing shias, kurds (many of which are also sunni), etc because they were a threat to his power. Sunnis that did support him mainly did so because they were safe under his rule. Now you have new rulers in Iraq who are most likely as inept in terms of ruling a nation, but to hold onto their power in times of strife, will incite sectarian violence to divert a ttention saying these groups only hate "us" because of what we believe in… this will be done unchecked because of weak civilian and government institutions….this can not be reiterated enough. This fight on religious lines needs to be stopped and w.e. one practices should only be between them and their creator and the real issues that exist need to be addressed. Sectarianism is just a tool used by the unjust to divert the minds of individuals from the real core issues. Please do not fall for this trap. It will incite more hate which unfortunately many have these days which will only lead to more bloodshed for years to come and we'll remain weak as a society.
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But yet you chose to ignore the Sunni rulers of Bahrain who have been persecuting the Shia majority? I ask again why the double standards? Both sides have outside influence, one has Iran who hasn't invaded another nation for over 200 years and the Free Syrian Army is supported by the US and Saudi.
Do you have link to this quote from a reliable source?
What has the Quran and Sunnah got to do with modern day geo-poltics? Can you show me from the Quran and Sunnah it's o.k for a Sunni minority governement to oppress a Shia majority?
Yet by supporting the Free Syrian Army and the Liyban rebels you are also supporting the increasing influence of western nations who have been killing Muslims for many many years now.
Please answer this simple question brother.
Did you support Nato helping the rebels in Libya and would you support Nato coming to the help of the Free Syrian Army?
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Sometimes I do wonder what could be done differently...
Its a tough spot for any head of state to find themselves in...for starters you have foreign actors funding and arming a disgruntled part of the population...as the Turks and Saudis have been doing here...in any country that would be called arming terrorists...
There is a specific purpose behind arming these groups and it isn't because they are trying to even the playing field but it is because a civil conflict is the desired result...from simple Just War Theory principles unconventional warfare is very difficult to pass judgement on...with guerilla warfare there is usually a direct intention to be amongst civilians...there are theories that suggest that guerillas are to blame for civilian deaths because they directly hang with the civilian population for obvious reasons...
Also with the fact that combatants are not easily identifiable makes targeting even more problematic...this isn't making excuses for Assad because for all we know he may be targeting indiscriminately...but its not always so black and white...
The idea behind arming these guys is so that they die...more deaths provides NATO and its allies with the pretext they need to go and save civilians...if you can create a civil conflict then you can create a rationale behind foreign intervention...
Assad is not a legitimate leader...but then none of the Arab League have legitimate leaders either...it is about who is looking to bring change really...
How change can be brought about in a dictatorship I don't have an answer to...the concept of power disparity in a country is a major issue...how do you create change without arms against an enemy internal or external who has a huge military apparatus and you are conventionally powerless...such as Israel and Palestine...
One has to ask though whether you can class the Syrians fighting in that same category...and whether they actually have support for their cause...Assad has plenty of support and the opposition is hardly a cohesive one...and one has to ask whether they are fighting for the ends of the people as a whole or simply for their own or someone elses...Libya was an example of where latter was and is proving a brutal representation of that fact...
Btw Azhar...still waiting on that Saleh V Assad comparison...
Its a tough spot for any head of state to find themselves in...for starters you have foreign actors funding and arming a disgruntled part of the population...as the Turks and Saudis have been doing here...in any country that would be called arming terrorists...
There is a specific purpose behind arming these groups and it isn't because they are trying to even the playing field but it is because a civil conflict is the desired result...from simple Just War Theory principles unconventional warfare is very difficult to pass judgement on...with guerilla warfare there is usually a direct intention to be amongst civilians...there are theories that suggest that guerillas are to blame for civilian deaths because they directly hang with the civilian population for obvious reasons...
Also with the fact that combatants are not easily identifiable makes targeting even more problematic...this isn't making excuses for Assad because for all we know he may be targeting indiscriminately...but its not always so black and white...
The idea behind arming these guys is so that they die...more deaths provides NATO and its allies with the pretext they need to go and save civilians...if you can create a civil conflict then you can create a rationale behind foreign intervention...
Assad is not a legitimate leader...but then none of the Arab League have legitimate leaders either...it is about who is looking to bring change really...
How change can be brought about in a dictatorship I don't have an answer to...the concept of power disparity in a country is a major issue...how do you create change without arms against an enemy internal or external who has a huge military apparatus and you are conventionally powerless...such as Israel and Palestine...
One has to ask though whether you can class the Syrians fighting in that same category...and whether they actually have support for their cause...Assad has plenty of support and the opposition is hardly a cohesive one...and one has to ask whether they are fighting for the ends of the people as a whole or simply for their own or someone elses...Libya was an example of where latter was and is proving a brutal representation of that fact...
Btw Azhar...still waiting on that Saleh V Assad comparison...
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The simple answer to that is that the West is seen as a lesser evil than Iran to these Saudi loving guys...
The paradox of moaning about the West all the time but lying with them at the same time...
You have to remember that to Wahabis Twelvers are not even Muslim...
I do therefore find it funny how Cricfan4ever loves this guys posts so much considering his organisation tried to take rule in Iran and wanted to implement their brand of Islam on a shia population...
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This dog is turning out to be worst of the lot of the dictators. May Allah bless the youth with victory of Assads oppressive regime.
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Possibly. It could also be a simple case of hating any other sects which do not adhere to the literalist school of thought which is the Saudi religous council promotes.
The problem with this is you become a hypocrite because on the one hand you hate modern western civilisation and their so called democracy but at the same time you support their involvement in the middle east because they are backing your guys, the literalists, the ones who wear their trousers above their ankles and measure the length of their beards. What they fail to understand is these people are merely the pawns in a chess game being played out over the board which is known as the middle east. The imperialist nations don't give a damn about saving the Sunni from a Shia but enjoy seeing a Shia kill a Sunni and vice versa.
Coming back to the Syria conflict, it's sad but very interesting since the tactics which have been used are the same/similar tactics used in Libya but the ground realities are very much different. Libya had a fractured population based on tribal lines where there was still a strong presence of the former King Idris who were rearing to go after Gaddafi. Libya did not have a major superpower with bases in the nation where Syria has a Russian naval base in Tartus. Libya didn't have a strong ally on it's borders where Syria has Iran on one side and Iraq and Lebanon nearby. Also the Syrian top generals and commanders haven't defected and there is no sign of them doing so.
The biggest factor seems to be the Russians who nearly two months ago sent in ship with plenty of weapons for the Syrian army. Russia have also sold many weapons including the s-300 anti aircraft guns which are not the best Russia possess but still can do the damage if required. Add to this the billions in arms contracts the Russian have with Assad it makes them huge players, no wonder they sent Lavrov to Syria to greet Assad in times where he is seen as the only evil person in Syria. Another aspect is Putin has made gestures implying the protests in Russia may also be instigated by foreign forces.
The western media reports have again like Libya include fabricated stories of mass deaths when the real number is way lower while at the same time not even discussing the role of Turkey and Qatar in providing arms to the Free Syrian Army with the blessing of Saudi Arabia and the US. Gingrich stated weapons should be given to the 'rebels' openly which is basically supporting an armed insurgency in a foreign nation. SAS were in Libya in the early days of the conflict training the 'rebels' so it wouldn't be too far fetched in assuming they are doing the same now.
The best way to reach peace in Syria and stopping the bloodshed is for the western nations ending their demands for regime change and allow some type of dialogue with those who are genuine in their dissatisfaction with the Syrian regime.
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Reading this thread I've reached a conclusion.
When in doubt...
CONSPIRACY!!!!
When in doubt...
CONSPIRACY!!!!
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Syria is certainly going to be a tougher nut to crack than Libya because as you have stated it isn't really the target...Libya unlike Syria didn't have direct Russian support or Iranian support...
There does seem to be a specific structure to these 'revolutions'...
Step 1 - search out a disgruntled part of the population and offer support for their cause...
Step 2 - train and arm parts of that population in order to help them fight their opponent...
Step 3 - declare any attack on armed opposition a massacre of protesters...launch a one sided media campaign with only the views of the opposition being treated as gospel...
Step 4 - essentially causing a civil conflict and as deaths increase encourage the opposition to not compromise with the promise of further foreign support...if you remember Gaddafi once asked for elections and the NTC and NATO said that was impossible...
Step 5 - When civil conflict has become too bloody on both sides then declare that something needs to be done...create random resolutions and launch an invasion...
Step 6 - When dictator has been removed remind the opposition who helped them and build them up as a new client...
Syria though does have support from Iran and Russia and will continue to do so throughout this conflict...especially from Iran...its interesting that there is a lot of criticism of this but no criticism leveled at outside forces who have directly helped turn protests into a civil conflict...how is arming untrained men helping them...its leading them to get slaughtered which is pretty much the point...you can't invade a nation unless there is actually fighting going on...I do wonder how far Iran in particular will go to protect their interests here as they know Assad falling will be extremely problematic for them...
Assad has suggested he is interested in compromises but the opposition have already stated that the only thing acceptable to them is his removal...the US did this even back in the days of Bosnia where the only compromise was no compromise and it led to ridiculous bloodshed...as stated in Libya Gaddafi wanted dialogue, the African Union wanted dialogue, the tribes in Libya wanted dialogue...but the NTC and NATO preferred invasion...
As for Azhar I am waiting for his Hezbollah will side with Israel link...he has mysteriously disappeared...
Rare occasions where I'm in agreement with you. Enough of this geopolitical games, where civilians are treated like pawns on a chess board.
The West initially supported Bashar al-Assad, apparently he was a liberal and a moderniser. But facts are facts, he does have support in Syria.
I would like to see a power sharing arrangement with Assad and the opposition.
Usually there is this idealistic notion about regime change. It does not bring about prosperity overnight, look at Libya, the country is still unstable because rival factions are armed to the teeth and vital infrastructure is completely destroyed.
@shaykh
assalamalaikum brother, your comment made me lol...such concern masha'Allah;
first off bro, I have to say there are times when I will pull back as some people do; my intention on this forum was not to argue, have a grudge with anyone, bad feelings etc
The Messenger of Allah (sall Allahu alayhi wassallam) said (as translated) " The gates of Paradise will be open on Mondays and on Thursdays and every servant (of Allah) who associates nothing with Allah will be forgiven except for the man who has a grudge against his brother. (About them) it will be said; delay these two until they are reconciled, delay these two until they are reconciled;".
(Imam Muslim)
So sometimes as a human being we can let things escalate etc and I dont want that to happen; so for the record if Ive upset anyone on this forum pls forgive me and I ask Allah to forgive me and from my point of view no worries if anyone has done the same to me. You may think nothing has happened and thats fair enough but I dont think there is any harm in pulling back and clearing the air.
Moving on, here is the link, pls listen from about the 1.00 mark; this is the former secretary general of the hizb in leb., a senior position; hizb backed by iran so will people make the assumption that iran is ok with this; subhanAllah the OPTION of allying with your sworn enemy just after a recent war!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj3cOkYt6Y8
assalamalaikum brother, your comment made me lol...such concern masha'Allah;
first off bro, I have to say there are times when I will pull back as some people do; my intention on this forum was not to argue, have a grudge with anyone, bad feelings etc
The Messenger of Allah (sall Allahu alayhi wassallam) said (as translated) " The gates of Paradise will be open on Mondays and on Thursdays and every servant (of Allah) who associates nothing with Allah will be forgiven except for the man who has a grudge against his brother. (About them) it will be said; delay these two until they are reconciled, delay these two until they are reconciled;".
(Imam Muslim)
So sometimes as a human being we can let things escalate etc and I dont want that to happen; so for the record if Ive upset anyone on this forum pls forgive me and I ask Allah to forgive me and from my point of view no worries if anyone has done the same to me. You may think nothing has happened and thats fair enough but I dont think there is any harm in pulling back and clearing the air.
Moving on, here is the link, pls listen from about the 1.00 mark; this is the former secretary general of the hizb in leb., a senior position; hizb backed by iran so will people make the assumption that iran is ok with this; subhanAllah the OPTION of allying with your sworn enemy just after a recent war!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj3cOkYt6Y8
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Blasts in Aleppo which hasn't really seen any protests...State TV blames terrorists...while the opposition naturally use that brilliant counter argument of the government bombed its own people...
I find it interesting how the BBC gives quite a lot of credence to what it deems suspicious activity reported by the opposition...not too dissimilar from the suggestion that Gaddafi used the death of his son as a stunt...
Its unconventional warfare...its very messy and as per usual its ordinary civilians who will take the brunt of punishment...this is before the invasion, during the invasion and after the invasion...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16978803
I find it interesting how the BBC gives quite a lot of credence to what it deems suspicious activity reported by the opposition...not too dissimilar from the suggestion that Gaddafi used the death of his son as a stunt...
Its unconventional warfare...its very messy and as per usual its ordinary civilians who will take the brunt of punishment...this is before the invasion, during the invasion and after the invasion...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16978803
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http://www.smh.com.au/world/alqaeda-behind-syria-blasts-us-20120211-1syc0.html
So does this mean the US will allow the Syrian regime to fight to the biggest terrorist group as they are doing?
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Bro no offence has been caused...I just wanted answers to my questions...
As for the clip I am not versed in Arabic so will have to offer a translation...all I will say is it makes absolutely no sense for Iran to ally with Israel considering this whole conflict is based around getting closer to attacking them...I notice you mention the speaker is the former secretary general...not the most legitimate source...
And lets be honest...and I'm Sunni...Wahabi's have been the best at fighting the West's battles for them...
Masha'Allah bro.
I'll be honest Ive relied on someone else re the arabic as well but trying to read the title, the comments below the video and the video itself seems to support what he said that its an option to ally with israel.
He's the former sec. gen. which shows that he was in a position of significance and the fact that he's being interviewed means that he is a somebody.
Bro personally I'm against the usage of the term "wahabi"; we will all be judged for what we've done and why we did it; I dont have to agree with every single action a particular gov takes but re syria: insha'Allah I hope this tyrant is removed.
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If one speaks to members of the MB they all can be quoted saying different things at one point or another...what really matters is what their leadership claim...
Same with Hezbollah...if Nasrallah came out and said something like this then I would take notice...
And in fairness bro you don't appreciate the term Wahabi...your happy to put shia's into boxes...is the Saudi government not a Wahabi government?...are their ulema not Wahabis?...
And the criticism aimed at your comments wasn't that you wanted the removal of a tyrant but about why that perspective isn't held for other tyrannies...is Saleh not a tyrant etc?...
And also it is about WHO is doing the removing and for what purpose...I find it odd that you are critical of the US and Israel when they work hand in hand with the Saudi's whom you do not offer criticism against...
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Off the BBC:
The Arab League said it was ending all diplomatic co-operation with Syria, and promised to give "political and material support" to the opposition.
One can now be open about supporting one side in a civil conflict...
And honestly its amazing how ludicrous it is that an organisation such as the Arab league can discuss things like democracy...its main members have handled their own insurgencies through force yet they want to play moral police on a conflict where even their own observers confirmed was two armed sides fighting...
The Arab League said it was ending all diplomatic co-operation with Syria, and promised to give "political and material support" to the opposition.
One can now be open about supporting one side in a civil conflict...
And honestly its amazing how ludicrous it is that an organisation such as the Arab league can discuss things like democracy...its main members have handled their own insurgencies through force yet they want to play moral police on a conflict where even their own observers confirmed was two armed sides fighting...
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^ Yeahhhhh... They'll be tired, As they travelled recently to other hotspots in Libiya, Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, Algeria, Morocco...
This is an interesting read:
Title: Dont weep over the grand delusion of an assadic resistance.
http://www.newcivilisation.com/home...r-the-grand-delusion-of-an-assadic-resistance
Title: Dont weep over the grand delusion of an assadic resistance.
http://www.newcivilisation.com/home...r-the-grand-delusion-of-an-assadic-resistance
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Really powerful khutba/lecture on the situation in Syria.
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Muslims have been under the thumb of Non-Muslims in recent history.
Their divided by ethnicity, and are are treated like Animals by other Muslim puppets.
Whether Muslim or Non-Muslim, it's understandable why a human being would fight to defend himself. Especially if they live like dogs in places like Syria, Libya, Egypt, Yemen etc.
Where puppet leaders will destroy Masjids if their Puppet Masters requests.
The very word "Islamist" is such a condescending, ignorant and illogical word that i really have to question the intelligence of anyone who uses it.
If someone wants to stand up against the likes of Assad, and other idiotic, selfish and tyrannical leaders in the region, who are you to say otherwise?
Nobody hates Pakistan. The only people who hate it are those who would hate it anyway. Anyone with an ounce of sense or decency would not hate Pakistan, but sympathies with it.
So take your self loathing somewhere else kid.
But it's not understandable for a keyboard jihadi like yourself when minority groups want to fight the Taliban like the Hazaras?
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But it is however understandable that people stereotype anyone who doesn't agree with them. Calling them "Jihadi'". Despite this being a Pakistani cricket forum, and your 30 posts have nothing to do cricket, let alone Pakistani cricket.
You ought to look at what you're typing, buddy. It reakes of double standards.
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Just watched the harrowing report smuggled out of Homs by a French Photographer who spent a month there; Shown on the UK Channel 4.
Call it western propaganda if you must; But it's actual Geo-politics preventing any meaningful action against Assad.
And yes such oppression takes place elsewhere and should be condemned similarly whenever and wherever it is encountered.
No solutions; Yet people suffer.
Call it western propaganda if you must; But it's actual Geo-politics preventing any meaningful action against Assad.
And yes such oppression takes place elsewhere and should be condemned similarly whenever and wherever it is encountered.
No solutions; Yet people suffer.
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There is no solution with Assad in power.
The guy has too much blood on his hands. This is nothing but a destruction of a city by the Syrian regime.
The guy has too much blood on his hands. This is nothing but a destruction of a city by the Syrian regime.
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What kind of action do you suggest exactly?...
Foreign intervention?...can you tell me why you believe it will be successful?...
This is the consequence of providing protesters with weaponry...you transform everything into a civil conflict which are the nastiest of conflicts...
With a civilian army how do you define a soldier?...what do you do when they hide amongst the general population deliberately using civilians as human shields?...
This is no defence for Assad who is a tyrannical leader but he and the Syrian people are simply caught in between the conflict between the US and Iran...do you think providing the SFA with more weapons as the Saudis have stated should be done is going to help the army win or is it going to simply lay down the foundations for another 'humanitarian' intervention...
If we look at movements that have succeeded in modern times it is through non-violent resistance and without direct foreign intervention...
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This is an interesting development...Hamas have finally decided to back the SFA and oppose Assad...and they have given two fingers to Iran who have been one of their primary backers...
This could be interesting for Hamas/Hezbollah relations...Hezbollah of course still back the Assad regime since a Gulf and US backed leader will certainly be clamping down on their 'heretic' ways once they attain power...
If this Hamas statement is indeed true then one wonders how legitimately it is taken...many i presume will see it as a pragmatic step and them now choosing to back what they may deem the winning horse...
What is certain is Israel is celebrating in a big way how these divisions are forming...and maybe these two organisations Hezbollah and Hamas can now focus on attacking each other and not Israel...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/24/us-syria-palestinians-idUSTRE81N1CC20120224
This could be interesting for Hamas/Hezbollah relations...Hezbollah of course still back the Assad regime since a Gulf and US backed leader will certainly be clamping down on their 'heretic' ways once they attain power...
If this Hamas statement is indeed true then one wonders how legitimately it is taken...many i presume will see it as a pragmatic step and them now choosing to back what they may deem the winning horse...
What is certain is Israel is celebrating in a big way how these divisions are forming...and maybe these two organisations Hezbollah and Hamas can now focus on attacking each other and not Israel...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/24/us-syria-palestinians-idUSTRE81N1CC20120224
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This is an interesting development...Hamas have finally decided to back the SFA and oppose Assad...and they have given two fingers to Iran who have been one of their primary backers...
This could be interesting for Hamas/Hezbollah relations...Hezbollah of course still back the Assad regime since a Gulf and US backed leader will certainly be clamping down on their 'heretic' ways once they attain power...
If this Hamas statement is indeed true then one wonders how legitimately it is taken...many i presume will see it as a pragmatic step and them now choosing to back what they may deem the winning horse...
What is certain is Israel is celebrating in a big way how these divisions are forming...and maybe these two organisations Hezbollah and Hamas can now focus on attacking each other and not Israel...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/24/us-syria-palestinians-idUSTRE81N1CC20120224
This could be interesting for Hamas/Hezbollah relations...Hezbollah of course still back the Assad regime since a Gulf and US backed leader will certainly be clamping down on their 'heretic' ways once they attain power...
If this Hamas statement is indeed true then one wonders how legitimately it is taken...many i presume will see it as a pragmatic step and them now choosing to back what they may deem the winning horse...
What is certain is Israel is celebrating in a big way how these divisions are forming...and maybe these two organisations Hezbollah and Hamas can now focus on attacking each other and not Israel...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/24/us-syria-palestinians-idUSTRE81N1CC20120224
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Being a devout Sunni Muslim I support the Iranian people for their right to nuclear enegry or nuclear bomb if they wish to and condemn the Arabs for supporting attacks against Iran . But that doesn't meant that we should be silent when Iran supports a tyrant dictator like Assad against the will of Syrian people .
The Aspirations of Syrian people is no different from Egypt all they want is basic amenities and more importantly dignity which is denied by this tyrant regime ruling them for 41years and counting
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After all the support Iran and Hezbollah gave the ungrateful animals that are Hamas, this is how they repay them? I hope Hamas gets what they deserve for biting the hands that feeds them. If their love of Saddam and Zarqawi didn't stop aid, perhaps this should. Ungrateful scum.
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I'm not a supporter of Assad but millions are. It's not like he just rose up one day and started to oppress a part of his population. Let's keep in mind it's only in certain areas not the majority of Syria.
What we have hear is protests being organised and turned into violent armed resistance against the regime from outside forces. Any regime would fight back and it's daft to suggest Assad should step down because now the Americans don't like him.
As for Hamas their decision is a tactical one as they don't want to lose their sunni support base but it won't affect their relationship with Iran or even Syria that much. Assad and Mashul met the other day.
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Robert Fisk: The fearful realities keeping the Assad regime in power
Nevermind the claims of armchair interventionists and the hypocrisy of Western leaders, this is what is really happening in Syria
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...eeping-the-assad-regime-in-power-7534769.html
Nevermind the claims of armchair interventionists and the hypocrisy of Western leaders, this is what is really happening in Syria
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...eeping-the-assad-regime-in-power-7534769.html
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like 1 Syrian army defector said today "the army is shooting and shelling like its a video game. The blood spewing from the people is nothing more than red paint.
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Your still not answering...how do you deal with a civilian army within your borders that hides among the civilian population...
These aren't guys with uniform...as stated its unconventional warfare at its most nasty...which is what happens when you incite a civil conflict...both sides have a lot to answer for...
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^ Shaykh - Sorry that was the tagline for the article from the Indpendent.
I agree with it and also what you say to an extent; The civilian militias (They are not an army at all) exist but Assad's Siege tactics leave alot to be desired.
To answer your question:
I don't know.
As a sovereign country you can't just "Leave" the militias alone
But you can't ignore why people take up arms in the first place.
Likewise, you can't attempt to fight your government with weapons when you have no real mandate from the people you claim to be fighting for.
Nor can you go house to house executing alleged militias at will in front of young children or not differentiate between civilians and Militias.
It's a mess; International Military intervention is the last thing the people of Homs would benefit from...
I agree with it and also what you say to an extent; The civilian militias (They are not an army at all) exist but Assad's Siege tactics leave alot to be desired.
To answer your question:
I don't know.
As a sovereign country you can't just "Leave" the militias alone
But you can't ignore why people take up arms in the first place.
Likewise, you can't attempt to fight your government with weapons when you have no real mandate from the people you claim to be fighting for.
Nor can you go house to house executing alleged militias at will in front of young children or not differentiate between civilians and Militias.
It's a mess; International Military intervention is the last thing the people of Homs would benefit from...
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^ To an extent. There's pro-active patience and then there's hopeless apathy.
The key issue in Syria is that it it's not even a straight Sunni-Shia thing... due to the militias actions from certain Sunni groups, it might well mean other Sunni Tribes/groups being targeted for the militias gun-ho approach...
The key issue in Syria is that it it's not even a straight Sunni-Shia thing... due to the militias actions from certain Sunni groups, it might well mean other Sunni Tribes/groups being targeted for the militias gun-ho approach...
shia and sunni doesnt even play a part in this.
its a massacare, and we can not even imagine what families are going through, and the worst thing is theres no easy way to fix this, these people are jaahil beyond belief and will keep protesting and at the same time assad is in a place he dies with his guards down or he goes out fighing, either way hes going to die so for him he just wants to live as long as possible.
but the harm these ppl have caused by protesting is disgusting
its a massacare, and we can not even imagine what families are going through, and the worst thing is theres no easy way to fix this, these people are jaahil beyond belief and will keep protesting and at the same time assad is in a place he dies with his guards down or he goes out fighing, either way hes going to die so for him he just wants to live as long as possible.
but the harm these ppl have caused by protesting is disgusting
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Its especially bad when as a sovereign nation you have other states offering to arm militias in your country as the Saudis are doing publically and as they and the Turks have already done...its tantamount to an act of war...that behaviour wouldnt be tolerated in any country...and it would be described as funding terrorism anywhere else in the world...
I agree you can't ignore why people take up arms in the first place but one has to ask when small militias have ever won these battles...tyrants or leaders have been removed for the most part successfully when the opposition do not resort to armed insurgency...it maintains their support...armed insurgency decreases it...you end up losing the masses...
And thats where your point of mandate comes in...the whole of Syria has not resorted to armed insurgency...it is pockets of it...and they are not representative of the people...one of the finer aspects of the Libya conflict is that foreign intervention created issues as many didn't want foreign support...the Syrians are well aware that the SFA has got their weapons and funding from those who do not care about Syria or Syrians...
But yes I totally agree that this conflict isnt being fought correctly but its not conventional warfare...distinguishing between a civilian and a combatant is a tough task once a civil conflict has been set in motion...
If they kept things non violent then as stated they would have the masses and they would break the army down...if I remember rightly one of Khomeinis masterstrokes was having his supporters greeting soldiers with flowers...and this was when the Shah was liquidating protesters that were unarmed...
Providing civilians with arms only serves to wipe them out and sets the stage for a foreign intervention which as you have rightfully stated would be a horrible decision...
What I will add is Assad did offer an amnesty...the opposition have never been interested in compromising in any shape, way or form...
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Syria eyewitness: Homs refugees tell of 'slaughter'
The car headlights picked out a ragged group of men, women and children walking up the road towards us. Night had just fallen. There was a bitterly cold wind.
They had endured a month of bombardment in Baba Amr then fled, panicking, before ground troops arrived.
"We're homeless," a woman shouted. "Why? Because we asked for freedom?"
She said they had been walking for three days. Their journey was so long because they walked across fields and through orchards to avoid the army checkpoints.
A terrible fear has seized people here about what the government forces are doing now that they are back in control. In a nearby house we sat with six women and their 17 children. They had arrived that day. There were no men.
"We were walking out altogether until we reached the checkpoint," said one of the women, Um Abdo.
"Then they separated us from the men. They put hoods on their heads and took them away."
Where do you think they are now, I asked. The women replied all at once: "They will be slaughtered."
'Massacre'
Wild stories were circulating of mutilated bodies in the orchards outside Homs; of men being killed in groups there; of a truck full of bodies taken away by the army. Was this fear talking?
We met the Ibrahim family by chance while filming an aid delivery of cooking oil. They told us that on Friday, in the Jobar district of Homs, they had witnessed a massacre.
Ahmed Ibrahim told me that 36 men and boys were taken away. Among them were four members of his own family including his 12-year-old son, Hozaifa. All were dead now, he said.
He said he had seen everything, lying flat behind some trees.
He told me: "There is a major checkpoint near our house. Reinforcements arrived there. They brought Shabiha (the "ghosts" or paramilitaries). They began arresting all the men in the area so I crouched down in the orchards just beside my house.
"They started beating them up. Then they moved them into a street next to a school. They killed them all. I saw it. I was 50 to 100 metres away. Their hands were tied behind their backs. A soldier held each one still on the ground with his boot; another soldier came to cut their throats. I could hear their screams."
He said the victims included his son, two brothers and a nephew. He thought he could count 36 bodies in the street - the number of men and boys who had been detained.
"The army took the bodies. They are afraid that ICRC [International Committee of the Red Cross] would come in so they destroyed the evidence."
His wife was inside the house when the soldiers came. She said: "They knocked on the door and said if we didn't open up they would shoot through the walls. So we let them in and they took all males aged 12 and older.
"I went out to ask about my son but they shot at me. After they had killed them, they came back and searched us for mobile phones [looking for any video]. They threatened us. They said: 'We can come back at any time.' I felt that we were all going to die.
"Other families came to ask for their men and I told them that they had been slaughtered. I wish I had never gone out to witness that scene. We fled as fast as we could, leaving everything behind."
Their niece, 16-year-old Noor, was in another house. Her father - one of Ahmed Ibrahim's brothers - was killed.
She said: "My father went to open the door. I told him: 'Don't. Run away.' He said 'Why? I haven't done anything wrong.' He opened the door. They took him. I was clinging on to him but they took him anyway.
"As well as my father, they took my uncle, my cousin and my brother. I went outside and saw them pushing them to the ground. Then they killed them. I heard my father shout 'God is great' as he died. The others, too. The soldiers shoved us back inside with their guns."
We do not know, yet, the truth of such allegations. But one former soldier involved in the Baba Amr operation told us that prisoners were routinely murdered. He said he had witnessed one summary execution.
"Ali" had been a sergeant in an elite unit, the Republican Guards.
Aged 21, he showed me his army identity card, dog tags, and a leave permit with the Republic Guards' stamp. He had defected only last week.
He described how an old man, "about 60 years old", was brought into his base. The man had been arrested in a raid on a house.
"The other soldiers starting beating him and cursing him and saying 'This is for freedom'," he told me.
"An officer came. He said the same thing - 'This is for freedom'. He made the man kneel, put a gun to his head and shot him. He emptied the whole magazine into his body. Afterwards he started stamping on the body. He got his men to film that."
Ali was the first member of the "Free Army" I had met who was Alawite, the sect from which Syria's ruling elite is drawn. He was so angered and disgusted by what he had seen in the government army, he said, he had to desert.
He was in an artillery battalion, firing 120mm mortars at Baba Amr. He left with a friend, another sergeant, "Mohammed". He told me that no-one was in any doubt that civilians were being killed in the bombardment.
"The lieutenant gave us the order, handed down from the colonel," he said. "He said that in this operation, shoot at anything that moves: civilian or military, you shoot at it."
After a month of shelling, the Free Army decided to withdraw from Baba Amr. We met what we were told was the very last group of fighters to leave.
It was 02:30 and 20 men ran through sheeting rain, crouching low and carrying their rifles, past the last government checkpoint outside Homs.
One of their officers told me that retreating was the only way to bring the shelling to an end and prevent further loss of innocent life. That is the official line but the Free Army is divided over the decision to leave Baba Amr. And some of its residents are furious with them.
'Betrayed'
A phone call to a friend in Baba Amr revealed the depths of the bitterness.
"They betrayed Baba Amr," he said.
"Those who took the decision to withdraw are cowards. Now they are drinking tea and chit-chatting in Qusayr [a nearby town] and watching Baba Amr being destroyed."
He went on: "Why didn't they do something to protect us? They could have attacked the artillery positions from behind. They waited until after 30 days of bombardment to withdraw. They could have left on the first day if that's what they were going to do."
On Monday afternoon the Free Army pulled back again, hurriedly leaving the village just outside Homs where we had been staying.
They believe the government will now press its advantage, closing in on the last territory "held" by the rebel fighters. We left with them on the back of a truck.
Most of the displaced people we spoke to over the past days had already gone. They did not feel safe so close to the government's tanks and artillery.
A rebel commander told me he thought that some of the men who had been detained were being interrogated; some were being held to extract money from their families; and some had been killed.
The outside world will wait for proof of that, although the people of Baba Amr are in no doubt they are victims of a crime perpetrated by the regime.
Many women and children moved on still not knowing where husbands and fathers might be or if they would ever see them again.
They left behind two unanswered questions: how many men from Baba Amr are missing - and what has happened to them?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17259471
The car headlights picked out a ragged group of men, women and children walking up the road towards us. Night had just fallen. There was a bitterly cold wind.
They had endured a month of bombardment in Baba Amr then fled, panicking, before ground troops arrived.
"We're homeless," a woman shouted. "Why? Because we asked for freedom?"
She said they had been walking for three days. Their journey was so long because they walked across fields and through orchards to avoid the army checkpoints.
A terrible fear has seized people here about what the government forces are doing now that they are back in control. In a nearby house we sat with six women and their 17 children. They had arrived that day. There were no men.
"We were walking out altogether until we reached the checkpoint," said one of the women, Um Abdo.
"Then they separated us from the men. They put hoods on their heads and took them away."
Where do you think they are now, I asked. The women replied all at once: "They will be slaughtered."
'Massacre'
Wild stories were circulating of mutilated bodies in the orchards outside Homs; of men being killed in groups there; of a truck full of bodies taken away by the army. Was this fear talking?
We met the Ibrahim family by chance while filming an aid delivery of cooking oil. They told us that on Friday, in the Jobar district of Homs, they had witnessed a massacre.
Ahmed Ibrahim told me that 36 men and boys were taken away. Among them were four members of his own family including his 12-year-old son, Hozaifa. All were dead now, he said.
He said he had seen everything, lying flat behind some trees.
He told me: "There is a major checkpoint near our house. Reinforcements arrived there. They brought Shabiha (the "ghosts" or paramilitaries). They began arresting all the men in the area so I crouched down in the orchards just beside my house.
"They started beating them up. Then they moved them into a street next to a school. They killed them all. I saw it. I was 50 to 100 metres away. Their hands were tied behind their backs. A soldier held each one still on the ground with his boot; another soldier came to cut their throats. I could hear their screams."
He said the victims included his son, two brothers and a nephew. He thought he could count 36 bodies in the street - the number of men and boys who had been detained.
"The army took the bodies. They are afraid that ICRC [International Committee of the Red Cross] would come in so they destroyed the evidence."
His wife was inside the house when the soldiers came. She said: "They knocked on the door and said if we didn't open up they would shoot through the walls. So we let them in and they took all males aged 12 and older.
"I went out to ask about my son but they shot at me. After they had killed them, they came back and searched us for mobile phones [looking for any video]. They threatened us. They said: 'We can come back at any time.' I felt that we were all going to die.
"Other families came to ask for their men and I told them that they had been slaughtered. I wish I had never gone out to witness that scene. We fled as fast as we could, leaving everything behind."
Their niece, 16-year-old Noor, was in another house. Her father - one of Ahmed Ibrahim's brothers - was killed.
She said: "My father went to open the door. I told him: 'Don't. Run away.' He said 'Why? I haven't done anything wrong.' He opened the door. They took him. I was clinging on to him but they took him anyway.
"As well as my father, they took my uncle, my cousin and my brother. I went outside and saw them pushing them to the ground. Then they killed them. I heard my father shout 'God is great' as he died. The others, too. The soldiers shoved us back inside with their guns."
We do not know, yet, the truth of such allegations. But one former soldier involved in the Baba Amr operation told us that prisoners were routinely murdered. He said he had witnessed one summary execution.
"Ali" had been a sergeant in an elite unit, the Republican Guards.
Aged 21, he showed me his army identity card, dog tags, and a leave permit with the Republic Guards' stamp. He had defected only last week.
He described how an old man, "about 60 years old", was brought into his base. The man had been arrested in a raid on a house.
"The other soldiers starting beating him and cursing him and saying 'This is for freedom'," he told me.
"An officer came. He said the same thing - 'This is for freedom'. He made the man kneel, put a gun to his head and shot him. He emptied the whole magazine into his body. Afterwards he started stamping on the body. He got his men to film that."
Ali was the first member of the "Free Army" I had met who was Alawite, the sect from which Syria's ruling elite is drawn. He was so angered and disgusted by what he had seen in the government army, he said, he had to desert.
He was in an artillery battalion, firing 120mm mortars at Baba Amr. He left with a friend, another sergeant, "Mohammed". He told me that no-one was in any doubt that civilians were being killed in the bombardment.
"The lieutenant gave us the order, handed down from the colonel," he said. "He said that in this operation, shoot at anything that moves: civilian or military, you shoot at it."
After a month of shelling, the Free Army decided to withdraw from Baba Amr. We met what we were told was the very last group of fighters to leave.
It was 02:30 and 20 men ran through sheeting rain, crouching low and carrying their rifles, past the last government checkpoint outside Homs.
One of their officers told me that retreating was the only way to bring the shelling to an end and prevent further loss of innocent life. That is the official line but the Free Army is divided over the decision to leave Baba Amr. And some of its residents are furious with them.
'Betrayed'
A phone call to a friend in Baba Amr revealed the depths of the bitterness.
"They betrayed Baba Amr," he said.
"Those who took the decision to withdraw are cowards. Now they are drinking tea and chit-chatting in Qusayr [a nearby town] and watching Baba Amr being destroyed."
He went on: "Why didn't they do something to protect us? They could have attacked the artillery positions from behind. They waited until after 30 days of bombardment to withdraw. They could have left on the first day if that's what they were going to do."
On Monday afternoon the Free Army pulled back again, hurriedly leaving the village just outside Homs where we had been staying.
They believe the government will now press its advantage, closing in on the last territory "held" by the rebel fighters. We left with them on the back of a truck.
Most of the displaced people we spoke to over the past days had already gone. They did not feel safe so close to the government's tanks and artillery.
A rebel commander told me he thought that some of the men who had been detained were being interrogated; some were being held to extract money from their families; and some had been killed.
The outside world will wait for proof of that, although the people of Baba Amr are in no doubt they are victims of a crime perpetrated by the regime.
Many women and children moved on still not knowing where husbands and fathers might be or if they would ever see them again.
They left behind two unanswered questions: how many men from Baba Amr are missing - and what has happened to them?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17259471
U.N. gets reports of child soldiers with Syria rebels
Syrian rebels not quite the freedom fighters they seem to be...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/26/us-syria-un-idUSBRE82P0W220120326
Syrian rebels not quite the freedom fighters they seem to be...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/26/us-syria-un-idUSBRE82P0W220120326
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You actually sound surprised?...
As stated previously...its a civil conflict and warfare is unconventional...there have been reports from Homs that Christians are being forced to leave their homes...and there have been similar suggestions made about Alawite and Shia communities...I'm not going to suggest these are statements of fact but the media at present is only interested in presenting the best side of the rebels and essentially only uses them as sources...it appears that this conflict is essentially getting very nasty and indiscriminate on both sides...
If child soldiers are indeed being used then one has to reassess how they view the death of certain children...a child with arms is still a combatant...
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Theres a difference between child soldiers in the conventional african sense :kony where they are abducted and brainwashed and parents willingly allowing their kids to fight.
Im assuming that this is the case in Syria and would probably happen in the wider muslim world too in similar situations. In our culture its something to be proud of, "I sacrificed my son in the way of Allah" type statements are not unheard of or particularly frowned upon.
Im assuming that this is the case in Syria and would probably happen in the wider muslim world too in similar situations. In our culture its something to be proud of, "I sacrificed my son in the way of Allah" type statements are not unheard of or particularly frowned upon.
dont know if another related thread was posted before ... anyways
Turkiye is falling in trap badly ... Although Assad is going no where but lets say if he steps down , a civil war will start in suriye like the in post Saddam .... Recently Iraqi Kurds have threatened to announce total independence from central Beghdadi govt. ... political minds in turkiye thinks that Iran has pushed the hashemi-maliki-barzani conflict as it has strong influence over both kurds and Iraqi govt. ... so that iraqi kurds who have never got anything beneficial from centralized arab govt. ever since creation of modern Iraq will distance themselves further from the united iraqi identity ... in any case of a civil war in Suriye or a separate Iraqi kurd region ... Kurd nationalists will use the ground to unleash hell on turkiye ...even US presence in iraq dint stopped them in last 5-6 years so its easy to imagine how would they behave once we have a independent kurdish land in iraq and a civil war hit kurdish zone in suriye both along turkish borders ... recently Turkiye dealt with them through force ( another stupidity) ... in case of bigger clash who would they be going to seek help from like Peshmerga did against baathist Iraq .... ? ... its very easy to answer ... Recently the Kurd nationalist leader has spoken strongly in favor of Iran ( like always ) ....
God save Tukiye ... its being played in hands of Enemies with Friendship masks on ....
Not to mention the azerbaicani theatre where Israel is trying its best to put the small azeribaican against Iran ... "another Georgia" is being prepared for slaughter ...
Turkiye is falling in trap badly ... Although Assad is going no where but lets say if he steps down , a civil war will start in suriye like the in post Saddam .... Recently Iraqi Kurds have threatened to announce total independence from central Beghdadi govt. ... political minds in turkiye thinks that Iran has pushed the hashemi-maliki-barzani conflict as it has strong influence over both kurds and Iraqi govt. ... so that iraqi kurds who have never got anything beneficial from centralized arab govt. ever since creation of modern Iraq will distance themselves further from the united iraqi identity ... in any case of a civil war in Suriye or a separate Iraqi kurd region ... Kurd nationalists will use the ground to unleash hell on turkiye ...even US presence in iraq dint stopped them in last 5-6 years so its easy to imagine how would they behave once we have a independent kurdish land in iraq and a civil war hit kurdish zone in suriye both along turkish borders ... recently Turkiye dealt with them through force ( another stupidity) ... in case of bigger clash who would they be going to seek help from like Peshmerga did against baathist Iraq .... ? ... its very easy to answer ... Recently the Kurd nationalist leader has spoken strongly in favor of Iran ( like always ) ....
God save Tukiye ... its being played in hands of Enemies with Friendship masks on ....
Not to mention the azerbaicani theatre where Israel is trying its best to put the small azeribaican against Iran ... "another Georgia" is being prepared for slaughter ...
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Qelic is the Azerbaijan/Iran stand off for the Caspian sea and the oil- for that is all Azerbaijan is really worth.
Dont think they can afford to take on against Iran and have 2 theatres with the Nagorno Karabakh issue still unresolved with the Armenians???
Dont think they can afford to take on against Iran and have 2 theatres with the Nagorno Karabakh issue still unresolved with the Armenians???
(Taken from my older post on some other forum )
First of all ... Azerbaican cant fight with anyone military wise .... political mouth scoring is one thing but they have a very small & less capable military ... all that aleyev regime in baku can do at best is to provide ground to US and Israel against Iran and Russia or to Turkiye against Armenia and thats it ... they themselves r not even distantly capable to threaten anybody in the region except Armenia ...
its a very complex situation in the region at the moment ...
For Israel ... Azeri land can become what Lebanon is for Iran against Israel ... Recently Aleyev the poodle signed a 1.6 Bn $ Deal with Israel to procure military equipment ... it wont pose any threat to Iran or russia but To Armenia it can ... Some ppl in Iran are now thinking that Iran also should provide Armenia with offensive Military equipment ... Not to mention that before destruction by russia , Israel supplied similar things like UAVs etc to Georgia ... and was later found to have given the codes to russian military ... lol . It has been long established that Israeli Mossad has presence in azerbaican ...
For Turkiye ... Azeri region is a front to counter Armenia with which turks have a historical clash ... Also the pan turkists think that secular minded Baku establishment might accept the Kemalist secualrism ... Turkiye took azeri side in the Nagorno-Karabakh war while Turkiye military keeps on helping azeri forces equipment and training wise ... There is also issues of Nabucco , Baku–Tbilisi–Ceyhan pipeline, the South Caucasus Pipeline, proposed Trans-Anatolian gas pipeline all of which bypass Armenia ... Erdogan and Gol have been connecting the deals with Nagorno-Karabakh thing ... turkiye refrained from Gas pipeline deal in 2009 on conditions that Azeris shud resolve this issue with Armenia first however it was seen as a turkish pressurizing move to make azeribaican accept turkiye as a stakeholder in Nagorno-Karabakh .. Azerbaijan maintains a base in Nakhchivan that has been seen more as a Turkish spot .
For Iran ... The nationalists factions consider azerbaican a part of Iran ... Azerbaijan has historically been iranic land and azeris historically have been Iranians ... azeris are iranic ppl that r just turkified . Around Seljuki times , the influx of Oghuzi torks turkified majority of the azeris ... Otherwise "azare payjan" ( Place of Holy Fire ) has shows the strong Zoroastrian root ... before turkification the azeri language was just like other iranic taylashi , zazaki , Kurd and tat languages ... Saffavids , Qajars etc all were oghuz tork azeris , Not to mention that Azeris r like a powerful ethnicity in Iran . Syed ali khamanei himself is azeri along with top IRGC & Artesh Generals , Opposition leader Mir hossein mousavi etc ... Iran lost present day Azerbaican to Russia through turkemanchy and Gulistan treaties in 19th century .... the powerful class of iran being azeri itself sees the azeri republic as a lost land ... while religious guys see it as shiite land under secular rule to which they r bound to import the Khomeinism ... Aleyev regime itself is very Secular but the population itself is thickly shiite .. During Nagorno-Karabakh , Iran was found to be playing on both sides supplying weapons to both Armenia and Azerbaijan ... Azeri militia was trained by war experienced Iranian mercs esp in guerrilla warfare ... Iran took massive Azeri refugees in ... Iran pressured Armenia and Karabakh Armenians to halt the offensive on azerbaijan whic was taking a severe beating at that time ... but things went wrong for secular Azeris after Elchibey rise in baku ... Today Azeri Govt. accuse iran of exporting the Iranian fundamentalism in their country using Azeri TV channels running from Iran , and AIP which is a banned extremists shiite group in Azerbaijan ... They accuse Iranian Ghods force of running Intel operations on azeri land ... In the suburban Baku, Azeris have recently arrested more than 15 people members of the Supreme Council of the Islamic Party of Azerbaijan. Government officials have long alleged that the party, receives Iranian funding.
For russia .... Russia has no military presence in area as of yet ... but russian aggresion against Georgia shows that it will use its dominant position in the breakaway areas to control the "parent" states and punish them if they do something Russia does not like. Russia invaded Georgia in 2008 when Georgia attempted to join NATO. The breakaway states of South Ossetia and Abkhazia were recognized by Russia and now russian troops are stationed there as a constant threat to Georgia ( or NATO ) . The major russian concern for the Aleyev regime in baku is that the Gabala Radar Station in Azerbaijan which was built by the Soviet Union in then soviet Azerbaijan in 1985 and is now leased and operated by the Russian Missile Defense Forces. The current lease expires in December 2012, and Moscow wants to extend the lease for another 25 years but Aleyev Regime Asking for an abnormally high rise in rent from the existing 7 million a year to 300 million showing its independence from Russia and its ability to offer the station instead to NATO Missile defense shield against Russia and Iran .The Russians are building a new and more powerful station in Armavir, in neighboring Armenia which can replace the Gabala station btw ... while Iran has radar Site in Lebanon ... PPl think that If Azeris give Israel and US lands Iran and Russia then Armenia might win Alot of favours from both which is not a good sign for Turkiye ... who would then be at the edge of decision to which camp it will fall into .... After Putins win things might go more tight in future ...
Some time ago an IRGC general threatened to launch a Barrage of Ballastic missiles to the country which will offer itself to israel against Iran .... Turkiye , Jordan , Qatar , Kuwait , UAE , all have openly said that they wont allow any anti iranian activity on thier lands ... but azeri response came late ... military minds think that Azerbaican would at best stay totally neutral and will have nothing to do with anyone , there is no way Azerbaican can take the heat .
First of all ... Azerbaican cant fight with anyone military wise .... political mouth scoring is one thing but they have a very small & less capable military ... all that aleyev regime in baku can do at best is to provide ground to US and Israel against Iran and Russia or to Turkiye against Armenia and thats it ... they themselves r not even distantly capable to threaten anybody in the region except Armenia ...
its a very complex situation in the region at the moment ...
For Israel ... Azeri land can become what Lebanon is for Iran against Israel ... Recently Aleyev the poodle signed a 1.6 Bn $ Deal with Israel to procure military equipment ... it wont pose any threat to Iran or russia but To Armenia it can ... Some ppl in Iran are now thinking that Iran also should provide Armenia with offensive Military equipment ... Not to mention that before destruction by russia , Israel supplied similar things like UAVs etc to Georgia ... and was later found to have given the codes to russian military ... lol . It has been long established that Israeli Mossad has presence in azerbaican ...
For Turkiye ... Azeri region is a front to counter Armenia with which turks have a historical clash ... Also the pan turkists think that secular minded Baku establishment might accept the Kemalist secualrism ... Turkiye took azeri side in the Nagorno-Karabakh war while Turkiye military keeps on helping azeri forces equipment and training wise ... There is also issues of Nabucco , Baku–Tbilisi–Ceyhan pipeline, the South Caucasus Pipeline, proposed Trans-Anatolian gas pipeline all of which bypass Armenia ... Erdogan and Gol have been connecting the deals with Nagorno-Karabakh thing ... turkiye refrained from Gas pipeline deal in 2009 on conditions that Azeris shud resolve this issue with Armenia first however it was seen as a turkish pressurizing move to make azeribaican accept turkiye as a stakeholder in Nagorno-Karabakh .. Azerbaijan maintains a base in Nakhchivan that has been seen more as a Turkish spot .
For Iran ... The nationalists factions consider azerbaican a part of Iran ... Azerbaijan has historically been iranic land and azeris historically have been Iranians ... azeris are iranic ppl that r just turkified . Around Seljuki times , the influx of Oghuzi torks turkified majority of the azeris ... Otherwise "azare payjan" ( Place of Holy Fire ) has shows the strong Zoroastrian root ... before turkification the azeri language was just like other iranic taylashi , zazaki , Kurd and tat languages ... Saffavids , Qajars etc all were oghuz tork azeris , Not to mention that Azeris r like a powerful ethnicity in Iran . Syed ali khamanei himself is azeri along with top IRGC & Artesh Generals , Opposition leader Mir hossein mousavi etc ... Iran lost present day Azerbaican to Russia through turkemanchy and Gulistan treaties in 19th century .... the powerful class of iran being azeri itself sees the azeri republic as a lost land ... while religious guys see it as shiite land under secular rule to which they r bound to import the Khomeinism ... Aleyev regime itself is very Secular but the population itself is thickly shiite .. During Nagorno-Karabakh , Iran was found to be playing on both sides supplying weapons to both Armenia and Azerbaijan ... Azeri militia was trained by war experienced Iranian mercs esp in guerrilla warfare ... Iran took massive Azeri refugees in ... Iran pressured Armenia and Karabakh Armenians to halt the offensive on azerbaijan whic was taking a severe beating at that time ... but things went wrong for secular Azeris after Elchibey rise in baku ... Today Azeri Govt. accuse iran of exporting the Iranian fundamentalism in their country using Azeri TV channels running from Iran , and AIP which is a banned extremists shiite group in Azerbaijan ... They accuse Iranian Ghods force of running Intel operations on azeri land ... In the suburban Baku, Azeris have recently arrested more than 15 people members of the Supreme Council of the Islamic Party of Azerbaijan. Government officials have long alleged that the party, receives Iranian funding.
For russia .... Russia has no military presence in area as of yet ... but russian aggresion against Georgia shows that it will use its dominant position in the breakaway areas to control the "parent" states and punish them if they do something Russia does not like. Russia invaded Georgia in 2008 when Georgia attempted to join NATO. The breakaway states of South Ossetia and Abkhazia were recognized by Russia and now russian troops are stationed there as a constant threat to Georgia ( or NATO ) . The major russian concern for the Aleyev regime in baku is that the Gabala Radar Station in Azerbaijan which was built by the Soviet Union in then soviet Azerbaijan in 1985 and is now leased and operated by the Russian Missile Defense Forces. The current lease expires in December 2012, and Moscow wants to extend the lease for another 25 years but Aleyev Regime Asking for an abnormally high rise in rent from the existing 7 million a year to 300 million showing its independence from Russia and its ability to offer the station instead to NATO Missile defense shield against Russia and Iran .The Russians are building a new and more powerful station in Armavir, in neighboring Armenia which can replace the Gabala station btw ... while Iran has radar Site in Lebanon ... PPl think that If Azeris give Israel and US lands Iran and Russia then Armenia might win Alot of favours from both which is not a good sign for Turkiye ... who would then be at the edge of decision to which camp it will fall into .... After Putins win things might go more tight in future ...
Some time ago an IRGC general threatened to launch a Barrage of Ballastic missiles to the country which will offer itself to israel against Iran .... Turkiye , Jordan , Qatar , Kuwait , UAE , all have openly said that they wont allow any anti iranian activity on thier lands ... but azeri response came late ... military minds think that Azerbaican would at best stay totally neutral and will have nothing to do with anyone , there is no way Azerbaican can take the heat .
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Hi Qelic,
Many thanks for the detailed insight and i find the realpolitik being played in that part of the world really fascinating.
Been to Baku and Yerevan and found it really interesting.
My insight of the region was that the Azeris are real proud of their oil and their geopolitical importance- whilst Armenia's got a lot of support from the Americans.
Agree that Azeris really do like the Turks and think themselves of as a Turkey Junior....
Many thanks for the detailed insight and i find the realpolitik being played in that part of the world really fascinating.
Been to Baku and Yerevan and found it really interesting.
My insight of the region was that the Azeris are real proud of their oil and their geopolitical importance- whilst Armenia's got a lot of support from the Americans.
Agree that Azeris really do like the Turks and think themselves of as a Turkey Junior....
Majority of areas have been a strong hold for Elchibey's types ... however in Bakuvian outskirts only AIP rules ... The usual Elchibey types cant even step in those areas ... Nardaran area is like totally in contrast to what Aleyev tries to portray abt Baku ... u will find pics of Imam Khomeini , Syed Ali khamanei on walls ...
Yesterday news came out that Aleyev the poodle has sold his country's soil to Israel if the Israeli AF wants to land there ... nobody is buying the news ... but even for sake of argument if we believe it then Aleyev regime is being a Suicide troll . I agree with u that Azeri region has its importance but they r now taking sides and future doesnt seem great for them ... being tork myself i would feel very bad if more blood is shed in my region . we have suffered enuf ...
Its not abt who is tork and who is not ... Iran itself represents enormous amounts of Turko-Mongols ... lol ... population of areas which represent modern iran ( natural iran is alot bigger ) before seljuki times was very less ... the influx of Oghuzi , turkomani and Mongols made up the population ... Timurid , Saffavid , Afsharid , Qajar ... all were persianized torks ... Even today the iranian leadership and elite are majority torks ... and very proud ones .
Yesterday news came out that Aleyev the poodle has sold his country's soil to Israel if the Israeli AF wants to land there ... nobody is buying the news ... but even for sake of argument if we believe it then Aleyev regime is being a Suicide troll . I agree with u that Azeri region has its importance but they r now taking sides and future doesnt seem great for them ... being tork myself i would feel very bad if more blood is shed in my region . we have suffered enuf ...
Its not abt who is tork and who is not ... Iran itself represents enormous amounts of Turko-Mongols ... lol ... population of areas which represent modern iran ( natural iran is alot bigger ) before seljuki times was very less ... the influx of Oghuzi , turkomani and Mongols made up the population ... Timurid , Saffavid , Afsharid , Qajar ... all were persianized torks ... Even today the iranian leadership and elite are majority torks ... and very proud ones .
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Saw this last night. So disgusted.
From the short reading I did, he's being buried alive by bashar's troops saying la ilaha ilAllah and refusing to associate basher with Allah.
***UPDATE***
Doubts cast on video?
http://storyful.com/stories/26986
From the short reading I did, he's being buried alive by bashar's troops saying la ilaha ilAllah and refusing to associate basher with Allah.
***UPDATE***
Doubts cast on video?
http://storyful.com/stories/26986
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Disgusting scenes.
The whole syrian state revolves around Bashar, this cult of a personality who has been oppressing his people for so long.
But wth OP.
Rafida, majoosi these are titles reserved for us shias. Alawis dont deserve such titles.
Edit: Internet is also filled with videos of the brutality of the US-Saudi backed Syrian opposition, so in this war neither side is totally innocent.
The whole syrian state revolves around Bashar, this cult of a personality who has been oppressing his people for so long.
But wth OP.
Rafida, majoosi these are titles reserved for us shias. Alawis dont deserve such titles.
Edit: Internet is also filled with videos of the brutality of the US-Saudi backed Syrian opposition, so in this war neither side is totally innocent.
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it could be fake you know, propaganda machine against syria is fully active
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Videos like this
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/_nNa45DGYkk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Yet another brutal atrocity committed by 'peaceful protestors' in Douma, Syria. Reports suggest that this man, who is said to be mentally ill, committed the 'crime' of having his photo taken with Syrian soldiers defending his neighbourhood. This is the freedom the Syrian opposition believe in, murder, oppression and torture is all they stand for.
And this
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Mob hang Syrian policeman from scaffolding
A mob of Syrian protesters catch a plainclothed "policeman" and hang him from the scaffolding in his underpants while everyone pulls out a mobile and videos the death. The videographer speaks at the beginning saying "Hama 04-06, a man from the spies caught with a weapon"حماة ٤~٦ رجل من مخابرات كان معه سلاح .
The U.S. ambassador to Syria visited the embattled town of Hama Thursday July 7 2011 as part of what the State Department called an effort to show U.S. support for Syrians fighting for democracy. Ambassador Robert Ford visited Hama "to make absolutely clear with his physical presence that we stand with those Syrians who are expressing their right to speak for change," said State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dc8_1311412171
and also this
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/rlqyCJ-1TgY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
The man in video was murdered because he spoke with Arab League Observers regarding the continuous violence in Syria, he stated that armed gangs and terrorists were behind the violence, soon after he was murdered.
Like I said neither side is totally innocent in this war.
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... When there is a war going on such acts r committed by both sides ... buried or skinning alive , beheading , acid baths etc ... Start searching the violence vids of Iraq , Yemen , Lybia , Suriye ... Few days back an interview of a rebel was published , who proudly accepted that he slaughters Syrian ppl with his dagger so regularly that he cant even remember the count ... Even bodies that are found in Balush region of pakistan are in very bad condition ... Moral : War is not for Peacebirds ...
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Some shias trying to defend Bashar Al- Asad and Co 
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Some shias trying to defend Bashar Al- Asad and Co
Thats directed towards me obviously.
If the above wasnt enough, let me make it clear because some people have comprehension issues. Bashar is a tyrant, a oppressor in my books and I will never defend him.
Now move along son
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Astaghfrullah, please for god sake dont embed these video just post the link if you want even the stills on the screen is horrific.
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Thats directed towards me obviously.
If the above wasnt enough, let me make it clear because some people have comprehension issues. Bashar is a tyrant, a oppressor in my books and I will never defend him.
Now move along son
Uncle- Posting propangada videos with captions and claiming opposition/resistance movement to be Saudi backed show what u want to prove here.
He doesn't know what he is on about vast majority of Syrians are against that lumbar faced tyrant bashar al assad hence why the country is in a civil war
If this was handful of people like in swat Pakistan the Syrian army and people would have defeated any uprising
Also the the syrian Sunnis don't follow Saudia Arabia or the wahabbi salafi doctrines, the Sunnis of Syria and Iraq are not Wahhabis
So him blaming wahabbis for all this is flawed
If Saudi Arabia was supporting the opposition with weapons and money bashar al Assad and his alawite clan would have been wiped out by now by sheer force and majority against them.
Same way when Saudis funded afghans with money and American weapons they managed to overthrow a much brutal enemy in the form of the soviet war machine.
Also he is posting videos of Hama and Homs which has large population of pre Islamic cults, alawites and Christians and they are supporters of the regime there is sectarian separation in those cities where these people have been attacking protestors basically gangs in plain clothes ready to break up protests arrest people torture them and hang them or kill them in other brutal ways.
And as for attacks by the opposition he should know that a lot of Sunnis of Syrian army and police have defected and launched arm struggle against the alawite regime and it's thugs which are also supported by hezbollah and Iranian actors on the ground.
At the moment people are giving the UN time to sort it out peacefully but it seems kofi Annan is out of his debt and violence is not stopping
So rest of Arab countries will go the next step I.e arm and fund the opposition not with crappy ak's but with better weapons and intelligence which will topple the regime like what happened to gaddafi.
Fact is bashar al Assad is making it worse for himself and his alawites he is sowing the destruction of his own people
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