The Pakistan ODI team needs a major overhaul

[PakEngFan]

The likes of iftikhar, Khushdil, Hasan Ali, Waseem jnr, zahid mehmood , Saud Shakeel needs to go.

Iftikhar keeps getting selected keeps failing. This guy awful against spin. The next World Cup is in India. What on earth is our management thinking when playing him. I don’t want to see him again. No matter how much he scores in domestics he’s clearly not good enough for internationals.

Khushdil looks an awful hack to be completely honest. No game against spin or pace, just swings everything to cow corner. He doesn’t look like a domestic level batsmen let alone international.

Hasan Ali, why does he keep getting selected? He keeps getting smacked regardless the format but keeps getting picked. To make things worse the captain is always backing this pathetic bowler. Someone tell Babar this is Pakistan cricket team not his personal team. I am sick and tired of watching him play and to be honest this clown alone is enough on the team-sheet to make me not watch the game.

Zahid mehmood, a 34 year old making a debut is enough to know about our management future plans and their thinking. A rubbish bowler and a fielder and a genius no 11. Uncle ifti is more mobile then him. He’s basically uncle nauman in odis. Get him gone.

Waseem jnr. What has he done to get selected. Whenever I see him he gets carted around by domestics batsmens. Is he selected because he has the same name as the chief selector? Other that then I can’t think of anything else. An awful bowler with no potential what so ever. A genuine no 10 with the bat. Some fans actually think he’s a good batsmen and an average fielder. He has pathetic stats in all formats with bat and ball. He makes Faheem look Gary sobers in front of him.

Saud Shakeel is the one I have soft spot for. He’s a good batsmen but clearly not an odi batsmen if he’s batting outside the top 3 and he’s not getting into the top 3 anytime soon.

Rizwan has also been shocking with the bat in odis he should be concentrating more on his batting rather this his idiotic laughing the whole game. This should be his last series if he doesn’t perform. Give someone else a go. He been flopping for a long time in odi’s. But I hope he finds a way because we don’t have much option last at all.

We also need to get rid of the below players:

Asif Ali the worst player to ever play for Pakistan and maybe the worst cricketer ever. How does he keep getting selected?
Asif afridi too old no need for him now.

Ideally I would like to see a team consist of players below:

Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Abdullah
Haider Ali
Rizwan
Shadab
Nawaz
Shaheen
Dhani
Haris rauf

With this team at least we have young players who actually have some potential and we can hope they develop rather then iftikhar Khushdil Asif the hack etc.

 

[Mamoon]

The team that you mentioned is also mediocre. Having a timid player like Shafique at 4, a hack like Haider at 5, Rizwan coming at 6 and glorified tail-ender Shadab at 7 mean that this middle/lower-order is minnow level.

Our fans need to realize the fact that Pakistan is a nothing team. There is zero talent in the country and you cannot come up with any possible combination that will make Pakistan a formidable force. We simply do not have the players.

Pakistan is a Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, West Indies level ODI team.

You cannot overhaul the team when there is no talent at your disposal.

 

[Ahmed216]

The team that you mentioned is also mediocre. Having a timid player like Shafique at 4, a hack like Haider at 5, Rizwan coming at 6 and glorified tail-ender Shadab at 7 mean that this middle/lower-order is minnow level.

Our fans need to realize the fact that Pakistan is a nothing team. There is zero talent in the country and you cannot come up with any possible combination that will make Pakistan a formidable force. We simply do not have the players.

Pakistan is a Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, West Indies level ODI team.

You cannot overhaul the team when there is no talent at your disposal.

Sadly got to agree

 

[Ahmed216]

Mo Haris
Abdullah Shafique
Babar Azam
Rizwan
Kamran Ghulam
Adil Amin
Shadab
Nawaz
Shaheen
Naseem
Dahani

 

[Barragan]

I can't tell whether that team mentioned in op is a side step or even more backwards than the current team!

Rizwan and Fakhar need to open, with Babar at 3, meaning goodbye Imam and those are the kind of bold decisions Pak need to make.

No. 4 and onwards need to be dynamic batsmen with the ability to play at a fast rate.

Unfortunately, Pak doesn't have any reliable dynamic batsmen atm to play in the middle order.

Haider Ali was one of the hopeful candidates, but he has been a huge disappointment and needs a good season or two in FC before he is ready.

 

[mazkhan]

I think I have to agree with mamoon.

We simply don't have any gun batsmen that can play the modern game.

But what is shocking is the severe dry up of producing fast bowlers and spinners with talent, flair and genuine abilities we are producing club level league bowlers.

The whole grassroots or selecting coaching developing young players is simply not there.

 

[Shafi]

First need to get rid of yes man Saqlain. These types of performance happen when you appoint lack of skill and wannabe coach. Need a professional and strict coach who can dictate players "Play for win or leave". M Wasim needs to go as well. Those PowerPoint apple MacBook stats are useless to identify proper talent. Timid personnel like Babar needs to replace by Shadab.

 

[Rana]

Mo Haris
Abdullah Shafique
Babar Azam
Rizwan
Kamran Ghulam
Adil Amin
Shadab
Nawaz
Shaheen
Naseem
Dahani

A team with no Fakhar Zaman. Maybe our cricket fans need a complete overhaul too

 

[indianpanacea]

Yes,of course Pakistan has been pathetic in ODIs ..Basically it is wrong selection of players that is costing them.There seems to be no criteria for selection and players performing in T20 are taken in ODI and test cricket..Pakistan needs horses for courses strategy..i don't see anybody other than Babar and Afridi being automatic selections for all the formats of cricket.imam ul haq is too mean an ODI batter..He will perform in every match but for himself and not for the team. I see three potentially good middle order ODI batters not been selected whom if given proper run can prove very effective
1 Kamran Ghulam
2 Agha Salman
3 Hussain Talat
Besides these i consider Shaan Masood to be the best ODI opener in Pakistan and his records prove it.
Also high time that load on Rizwan is relieved and M.Haris is kept exclusively for ODI cricket as wicketkeeper batter.
1 Shaan Masood
2 M.Haris
3 Fakhar Zaman
4 Babar
5 Kamran Ghulam
6 Hussain Talat

 

[Ahmed216]

A team with no Fakhar Zaman. Maybe our cricket fans need a complete overhaul too

Haha forgot him. Mo Haris as keeper and fakhar replaces rizwan at 4

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I can't tell whether that team mentioned in op is a side step or even more backwards than the current team!

Rizwan and Fakhar need to open, with Babar at 3, meaning goodbye Imam and those are the kind of bold decisions Pak need to make.

No. 4 and onwards need to be dynamic batsmen with the ability to play at a fast rate.

Unfortunately, Pak doesn't have any reliable dynamic batsmen atm to play in the middle order.

Haider Ali was one of the hopeful candidates, but he has been a huge disappointment and needs a good season or two in FC before he is ready.

Yes.

Say good bye to the person who struck at 80-100 SR for 35 overs and hit 100 odd of 98 balls.

And keep the remaining hacks who played at SR of 50-70 and scored 10s and 20s.

So how will that make Pakistan formidable?

By somehow magically transforming those 50 SR batsmen to 100 SR as soon as Imam leaves the team?

 

[Energy]

Pakistan currently have a cluster of top order batsmen. Fakhar, Imam, Babar, Rizwan (add to that Shan and Abdullah recently) that have all indicated they can play for long periods. However, only 2 can open obviously - so the PCB need to think what is the best way to utilise them rather than keep 2 and throw everyone else out.

Rizwan, Imam, Babar, Fakhar need to be top four going forward and hopefully they will be able to bat 30-35 overs amongst themselves to lay the platform for the hacks to come in later.

 

[Cric1234]

Umar Akmal
Sharjeel
Fakhar
Haider
Babar
Ghulam
Imad
Shadab
Raza
Rauf
Shaheen

The best chance of winning high scoring matches hope for 150-160
In the first 20 overs otherwise we will lose 90% of matches against the top 5 teams where 300 plus is a par score.

We are losing to reserve teams now aswell it’s a hopeless situation currently make it more exciting for the fans at least.

In this team Umar is the WK he can bat at no 4 aswell depends if we bat first or second.

 

[Kianig89]

Pakistan should have a foundation of 5 6 players who can play every format and build team around them that's the basic thing which Saqlain who has done level 3 level 4 coaches from the last 2 decades is unable to understand team should be
Test
A.Shafiq
Imam
Azhar
Babar
AS.Shafiq
Rizwan
Nawaz
Faheem
Shaheen
Naseem
Any good spinner
ODI
Fakhar
Imam
Babar
A.Shafiq
Rizwan
Nawaz
Faheem
Imad
Shaheen
Naseem
Rauf

More or less these are our best players available we should stick with them as far as t20 is concerned its a lottery

 

[Ahmed216]

Yes.

Say good bye to the person who struck at 80-100 SR for 35 overs and hit 100 odd of 98 balls.

And keep the remaining hacks who played at SR of 50-70 and scored 10s and 20s.

So how will that make Pakistan formidable?

By somehow magically transforming those 50 SR batsmen to 100 SR as soon as Imam leaves the team?

Imam is just an awful nepotistic selection. When inzy picked him he wasnt really topping the domestics.
Plays at an awful strike rate and only managed to catch up with few blows towards end of the innings but the game was over by then. It s responsibity of set batsmen to keep up with run rate when chasing. Kings of useless selfish runs.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Imam is just an awful nepotistic selection. When inzy picked him he wasnt really topping the domestics.
Plays at an awful strike rate and only managed to catch up with few blows towards end of the innings but the game was over by then. It s responsibity of set batsmen to keep up with run rate when chasing. Kings of useless selfish runs.

So if its the responsibility of set batsmen to hit at 140 SR , what is the responsibility of the remaining batsmen?

 

[Ahmed216]

So if its the responsibility of set batsmen to hit at 140 SR , what is the responsibility of the remaining batsmen?

They required 100SR at the start. Babar and imams awful batting ensured it got up to 140 within 25 overs. Pak does not have good middle order but that cannot make impactlese innings from imam look good

 

[Dr_Bassim]

They required 100SR at the start. Babar and imams awful batting ensured it got up to 140 within 25 overs. Pak does not have good middle order but that cannot make impactlese innings from imam look good

Lets forget Imam for a while.

Lets agree that he played a useless innings in the context of the game.

Who played a useful innings yesterday?

Name me 10 players out of the remaining 10, who tried to win the match for Pakistan by playing a super innings while Imam played for his century.

If you can't find ANYONE, then why do you want to punish the one guy who made 100?

Because he made it slower than you wanted?

The others played even worse and didn't even stick around.

The argument is illogical to begin with.

My car cannot compete with a Lamborghini because its a Honda. Since the Honda, never tried to race with the Lamborghini, the Honda should be thrown off the track.

Let the remaining trucks compete with the Lamborghini because they are ?

Trucks?
They are beautiful trucks?
They are trucks with potential to turn into Lamborghini?


Imam was poor.

The others were poorer.

Who gets the axe?

Imam.

Thank you very much.

 

[Ahmed216]

Lets forget Imam for a while.

Lets agree that he played a useless innings in the context of the game.

Who played a useful innings yesterday?

Name me 10 players out of the remaining 10, who tried to win the match for Pakistan by playing a super innings while Imam played for his century.

If you can't find ANYONE, then why do you want to punish the one guy who made 100?

Because he made it slower than you wanted?

The others played even worse and didn't even stick around.

The argument is illogical to begin with.

My car cannot compete with a Lamborghini because its a Honda. Since the Honda, never tried to race with the Lamborghini, the Honda should be thrown off the track.

Let the remaining trucks compete with the Lamborghini because they are ?

Trucks?
They are beautiful trucks?
They are trucks with potential to turn into Lamborghini?


Imam was poor.

The others were poorer.

Who gets the axe?

Imam.

Thank you very much.

When a team is chasing 300+ on a slow pitch the role of openers is to provide a quick start. Because imam failed to do so his innings must be called useless. And because Pak lost the game within 25 overs when imam and babar were at the crease i dont need to look at other players who were probably forced to take risks from ball 1. Remember they dont have the luxury that imam has of playing dots after dots in PP

 

[cricketerB94]

Lets forget Imam for a while.

Lets agree that he played a useless innings in the context of the game.

Who played a useful innings yesterday?

Name me 10 players out of the remaining 10, who tried to win the match for Pakistan by playing a super innings while Imam played for his century.

If you can't find ANYONE, then why do you want to punish the one guy who made 100?

Because he made it slower than you wanted?

The others played even worse and didn't even stick around.

The argument is illogical to begin with.

My car cannot compete with a Lamborghini because its a Honda. Since the Honda, never tried to race with the Lamborghini, the Honda should be thrown off the track.

Let the remaining trucks compete with the Lamborghini because they are ?

Trucks?
They are beautiful trucks?
They are trucks with potential to turn into Lamborghini?


Imam was poor.

The others were poorer.

Who gets the axe?

Imam.

Thank you very much.

I don't know what is the rocket science in understanding that when Imam and Babar started their innings, the required rate was just above 6. And when other batters started their innings, the required rate was over 7. The other batters had to take more risks because our so called best batters played risk free cricket in their comfort zone.

End result - Pakistan lost. Now please tell us what is the value of Imam's 100 and Babar's 50 to Pakistan team? How are those scores any different for Pakistan than let's say Iftikhar's 2? Yes, they would be good scores if Pakistan won because of them, but Pakistan lost even after them scoring those scores. So stop glorifying their useless scores like a minnow team supporter.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

When a team is chasing 300+ on a slow pitch the role of openers is to provide a quick start. Because imam failed to do so his innings must be called useless. And because Pak lost the game within 25 overs when imam and babar were at the crease i dont need to look at other players who were probably forced to take risks from ball 1. Remember they dont have the luxury that imam has of playing dots after dots in PP

Forced to take risks?

Please take a look at the scorecard sir.

Babar played at a SR of 79 chasing 314.

Saud played at a SR of 37 chasing 314.

Rizwan played at a SR of 50 chasing 314.

Ifti played at a SR of 20 chasing 314

Khushdil played at a SR of 85 chasing 314.

Need I go on?

Who was forced to take risks and was playing out of their skin?

If you want to throw out Imam, because he is "nephew" , "useless" or "dont like him" , its fine.

Just don't use any random excuse.

Because I literally will question everyone's weak arguments on this topic till they have no answers or the final answer is "BECAUSE is he NEPHEW.

Then it all stops.

 

[Kroll]

When Fakhar gets out early, we’re pretty much out of the game.

Bringing back useless hacks like Iftikhar Ahmed numerous times despite doing zilch isnt helping either.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I don't know what is the rocket science in understanding that when Imam and Babar started their innings, the required rate was just above 6. And when other batters started their innings, the required rate was over 7. The other batters had to take more risks because our so called best batters played risk free cricket in their comfort zone.

End result - Pakistan lost. Now please tell us what is the value of Imam's 100 and Babar's 50 to Pakistan team? How are those scores any different for Pakistan than let's say Iftikhar's 2? Yes, they would be good scores if Pakistan won because of them, but Pakistan lost even after them scoring those scores. So stop glorifying their useless scores like a minnow team supporter.

What is the value of 9 other players to the team?

His 100 sucked.

Fine.

So punish the guy scoring the runs.

What precedent are you setting for the remaining 9 players of the team?

They should score ?

They shouldn't score?

Because the way I see it is, two people scored 150 runs at a slow pace. The other team members scored 75 runs at even a worse pace.

Babar gets a pass because is world class.

Imam gets the shove, because he is Inzi's nephew.

Great.

Lets admit the only reason he gets the shove is because he is Imam ul Haq.

Had it been Rizwan who scored a century, the forum would have erupted in raptures at 100 off 96 balls even though Pakistan lost the match.

 

[Kroll]

The likes of iftikhar, Khushdil, Hasan Ali, Waseem jnr, zahid mehmood , Saud Shakeel needs to go.

Iftikhar keeps getting selected keeps failing. This guy awful against spin. The next World Cup is in India. What on earth is our management thinking when playing him. I don’t want to see him again. No matter how much he scores in domestics he’s clearly not good enough for internationals.

Khushdil looks an awful hack to be completely honest. No game against spin or pace, just swings everything to cow corner. He doesn’t look like a domestic level batsmen let alone international.

Hasan Ali, why does he keep getting selected? He keeps getting smacked regardless the format but keeps getting picked. To make things worse the captain is always backing this pathetic bowler. Someone tell Babar this is Pakistan cricket team not his personal team. I am sick and tired of watching him play and to be honest this clown alone is enough on the team-sheet to make me not watch the game.

Zahid mehmood, a 34 year old making a debut is enough to know about our management future plans and their thinking. A rubbish bowler and a fielder and a genius no 11. Uncle ifti is more mobile then him. He’s basically uncle nauman in odis. Get him gone.

Waseem jnr. What has he done to get selected. Whenever I see him he gets carted around by domestics batsmens. Is he selected because he has the same name as the chief selector? Other that then I can’t think of anything else. An awful bowler with no potential what so ever. A genuine no 10 with the bat. Some fans actually think he’s a good batsmen and an average fielder. He has pathetic stats in all formats with bat and ball. He makes Faheem look Gary sobers in front of him.

Saud Shakeel is the one I have soft spot for. He’s a good batsmen but clearly not an odi batsmen if he’s batting outside the top 3 and he’s not getting into the top 3 anytime soon.

Rizwan has also been shocking with the bat in odis he should be concentrating more on his batting rather this his idiotic laughing the whole game. This should be his last series if he doesn’t perform. Give someone else a go. He been flopping for a long time in odi’s. But I hope he finds a way because we don’t have much option last at all.

We also need to get rid of the below players:

Asif Ali the worst player to ever play for Pakistan and maybe the worst cricketer ever. How does he keep getting selected?
Asif afridi too old no need for him now.

Ideally I would like to see a team consist of players below:

Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Abdullah
Haider Ali
Rizwan
Shadab
Nawaz
Shaheen
Dhani
Haris rauf

With this team at least we have young players who actually have some potential and we can hope they develop rather then iftikhar Khushdil Asif the hack etc.

Its an improvement on current lot for sure but middle order is weak. That said, there isn’t any good players to take those spots,

Best just to embrace and accept mediocrity. You’ll be more at peace with yourself.

 

[cricketerB94]

What is the value of 9 other players to the team?

His 100 sucked.

Fine.

So punish the guy scoring the runs.

What precedent are you setting for the remaining 9 players of the team?

They should score ?

They shouldn't score?

Because the way I see it is, two people scored 150 runs at a slow pace. The other team members scored 75 runs at even a worse pace.

Babar gets a pass because is world class.

Imam gets the shove, because he is Inzi's nephew.

Great.

Lets admit the only reason he gets the shove is because he is Imam ul Haq.

Had it been Rizwan who scored a century, the forum would have erupted in raptures at 100 off 96 balls even though Pakistan lost the match.

I don't know about the forum, but I don't care about the other players. Imam, Babar and Fakhar are the most settled batsmen in our ODI team and they have been playing at these numbers since last WC and even before that. Name me one more batsman in the team who has a settled batting position in our ODI team since last 3 years. Yes, there is no other batsman.

Now the responsibility was on Imam, Fakhar and Babar to set the win for team. If you saw the match, you would know that only Fakhar was going for that. He had to play risky shots because Imam was blocking the balls from other end. Now the Babar-Imam partnership starts. These are our most settled batters in last 3 years and our so called best batters. Let's look at the numbers at the end of their partnership as they must be great:

Runs: 96
Balls: 118
Dot balls in this partnership: 50
Run rate after their partnership: 4.9
Required rate after their partnership: 7.5
Run rate before their partnership: 5.5
Required rate before their partnership: 6.3

If you are not a blind supporter or a fan girl of these 2 players, then you can clearly see the problem in the above mentioned numbers. On top of less required rate, Babar and Imam had the advantage of playing with a newer and harder ball with no movement. They had the advantage of playing in the first powerplay where I don't need to mention what the Australian team did. You cannot take the blame off Babar and Imam for scoring soft runs. They are the most established players in this team and they are expected to win matches for the team instead of stat padding for themselves.

 

[hass]

Well it's clear the quality of batting talent is extremely low and we're an unbelievably boring team to watch outside of World Cups. Our tactics and approach are still terrible and we constantly fear trying to acceleration will get us skittled out for nothing.

We're massively short on big hitters and dynamic strikers. It shows in that we've never replaced frustrating older players in Hafeez and Malik and kept their careers going far longer than they should have due to limited new talent.

Unfortunately anything promising we're seeing the PSL or domestically is rarely transferring towards the international arena.

At this point I think the focus should just be on proven hitters. I know they're not everyones cup of tea but Sharjeel, Fakhar, Asif Ali are possibly the only players that have proven they can strike a ball in white ball cricket.

Forget batting order for now, I think Pakistan should just squeeze these guys back in. Without their ability to score quickly and hit big in all conditions, we have basically no chance. We'll just have to live with the shocking fielding as a price.

I know he's fat, stupid, poor in the field and potentially corrupt, but Sharjeel Khan is probably one of the only proven hitters we've had in the last 10 years. Those quick fire 50's make up for all his shortcomings. In an ideal world I would like him and Fakhar/Imam to open the batting. He always gave Pakistan a decent start even in foreign conditions. I don't know what his form has been like, but I know he's a genuine power hitter which we're short on.

Sharjeel
Imam
Babar
Fakhar
Rizwan
Asif Ali

Then maybe Imad and Shadab can come in here or Iftikhar instead of one of them.

Then I guess you've got Shaheen and Rauf as your dead certs, with one other bowler in a long list including Hasan Ali. I suppose with Hasan you get that lower order batting as well.

The point is there's a mix of three genuine power hitters there and players that on their day can play a longer, anchoring innings like Imam did the other day.

Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen are undroppable for me irrespective of form. They're literally Pakistan's leading world class players.

Above all Pakistan need a mindset shift in ODI's. Have to play attacking Cricket always.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I don't know about the forum, but I don't care about the other players. Imam, Babar and Fakhar are the most settled batsmen in our ODI team and they have been playing at these numbers since last WC and even before that. Name me one more batsman in the team who has a settled batting position in our ODI team since last 3 years. Yes, there is no other batsman.

Now the responsibility was on Imam, Fakhar and Babar to set the win for team. If you saw the match, you would know that only Fakhar was going for that. He had to play risky shots because Imam was blocking the balls from other end. Now the Babar-Imam partnership starts. These are our most settled batters in last 3 years and our so called best batters. Let's look at the numbers at the end of their partnership as they must be great:

Runs: 96
Balls: 118
Dot balls in this partnership: 50
Run rate after their partnership: 4.9
Required rate after their partnership: 7.5
Run rate before their partnership: 5.5
Required rate before their partnership: 6.3

If you are not a blind supporter or a fan girl of these 2 players, then you can clearly see the problem in the above mentioned numbers. On top of less required rate, Babar and Imam had the advantage of playing with a newer and harder ball with no movement. They had the advantage of playing in the first powerplay where I don't need to mention what the Australian team did. You cannot take the blame off Babar and Imam for scoring soft runs. They are the most established players in this team and they are expected to win matches for the team instead of stat padding for themselves.

It seems we are going round and round.

Your point is that the onus was on Babar, Fakhar and Imam to win the match and Fakhar stayed around for 18 balls in trying to do so.

Babar and Imam stayed for longer but at poor SR so the match slipped away from our hands.

I am arguing the total was 315.

Not a huge one.

One batsmen made 103 off 96 balls.

If 2 other batsmen in the team ( ANY other TWO) would have made 50 off 30 balls, or 60 off 40 balls, would we be closer to winning the match ?

Yet, there is no accountability.

Accountability is for 2 batsmen who scored the bulk of the runs, and the MOST ACCOUNTABILITY is for someone who scored 103 off 96 balls.

How is that even fair?

Had someone played even 70 or 80 odd runs with Imam at a SR of near 100 to 110 like he did, Pakistan would have won.

We lost because 10 other batsmen in the team either padded up their stats or at worse, even did not manage to make more than 25 runs in the grander scheme of things at WORSE SR and RUNS.

Throw him out if you must for scoring that 100.

But be clear we did not lose because one batsmen hit 103 off 96 balls.

We lost because remaining 10 batsmen made the WORST performance ever in support roles.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

First need to get rid of yes man Saqlain. These types of performance happen when you appoint lack of skill and wannabe coach. Need a professional and strict coach who can dictate players "Play for win or leave". M Wasim needs to go as well. Those PowerPoint apple MacBook stats are useless to identify proper talent. Timid personnel like Babar needs to replace by Shadab.

Exactly this is what needed. Not just change of players.. change of coach, approach, mindset, enforced accountability on players.

I would give all the money into one basket and hire Andy Flower as coach cum selector, the role wrongly given to Misbah earlier.

Will see the team results after a year.

 

[Kroll]

Well it's clear the quality of batting talent is extremely low and we're an unbelievably boring team to watch outside of World Cups. Our tactics and approach are still terrible and we constantly fear trying to acceleration will get us skittled out for nothing.

We're massively short on big hitters and dynamic strikers. It shows in that we've never replaced frustrating older players in Hafeez and Malik and kept their careers going far longer than they should have due to limited new talent.

Unfortunately anything promising we're seeing the PSL or domestically is rarely transferring towards the international arena.

At this point I think the focus should just be on proven hitters. I know they're not everyones cup of tea but Sharjeel, Fakhar, Asif Ali are possibly the only players that have proven they can strike a ball in white ball cricket.

Forget batting order for now, I think Pakistan should just squeeze these guys back in. Without their ability to score quickly and hit big in all conditions, we have basically no chance. We'll just have to live with the shocking fielding as a price.

I know he's fat, stupid, poor in the field and potentially corrupt, but Sharjeel Khan is probably one of the only proven hitters we've had in the last 10 years. Those quick fire 50's make up for all his shortcomings. In an ideal world I would like him and Fakhar/Imam to open the batting. He always gave Pakistan a decent start even in foreign conditions. I don't know what his form has been like, but I know he's a genuine power hitter which we're short on.

Sharjeel
Imam
Babar
Fakhar
Rizwan
Asif Ali

Then maybe Imad and Shadab can come in here or Iftikhar instead of one of them.

Then I guess you've got Shaheen and Rauf as your dead certs, with one other bowler in a long list including Hasan Ali. I suppose with Hasan you get that lower order batting as well.

The point is there's a mix of three genuine power hitters there and players that on their day can play a longer, anchoring innings like Imam did the other day.

Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen are undroppable for me irrespective of form. They're literally Pakistan's leading world class players.

Above all Pakistan need a mindset shift in ODI's. Have to play attacking Cricket always.

Tbh, we’ve tried that and its not worked out. As [MENTION=135338]cricketerB94[/MENTION] stated, there is a high number of dot balls in the top order,

50 in 118 is a lot. We need to first start getting the basics right such as better strike rotation, they need better fitness to go for the extra runs. Imam’s fitness levels are shocking to say the least.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Well it's clear the quality of batting talent is extremely low and we're an unbelievably boring team to watch outside of World Cups. Our tactics and approach are still terrible and we constantly fear trying to acceleration will get us skittled out for nothing.

We're massively short on big hitters and dynamic strikers. It shows in that we've never replaced frustrating older players in Hafeez and Malik and kept their careers going far longer than they should have due to limited new talent.

Unfortunately anything promising we're seeing the PSL or domestically is rarely transferring towards the international arena.

At this point I think the focus should just be on proven hitters. I know they're not everyones cup of tea but Sharjeel, Fakhar, Asif Ali are possibly the only players that have proven they can strike a ball in white ball cricket.

Forget batting order for now, I think Pakistan should just squeeze these guys back in. Without their ability to score quickly and hit big in all conditions, we have basically no chance. We'll just have to live with the shocking fielding as a price.

I know he's fat, stupid, poor in the field and potentially corrupt, but Sharjeel Khan is probably one of the only proven hitters we've had in the last 10 years. Those quick fire 50's make up for all his shortcomings. In an ideal world I would like him and Fakhar/Imam to open the batting. He always gave Pakistan a decent start even in foreign conditions. I don't know what his form has been like, but I know he's a genuine power hitter which we're short on.

Sharjeel
Imam
Babar
Fakhar
Rizwan
Asif Ali

Then maybe Imad and Shadab can come in here or Iftikhar instead of one of them.

Then I guess you've got Shaheen and Rauf as your dead certs, with one other bowler in a long list including Hasan Ali. I suppose with Hasan you get that lower order batting as well.

The point is there's a mix of three genuine power hitters there and players that on their day can play a longer, anchoring innings like Imam did the other day.

Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen are undroppable for me irrespective of form. They're literally Pakistan's leading world class players.

Above all Pakistan need a mindset shift in ODI's. Have to play attacking Cricket always.

Please wipe out Asif ali from Pakistan ODI cricket. He has achieved nothing but fans continued to believe he is a six hitter. His record in ODI cricket is pathetic.

A programmed robot can be played in his position , so that it will do the exact same thing what Asif ali does for 8-10 balls that he will be out there.

His four sixes of Jannats bowling would do more harm than good for Pakistan.

 

[Energy]

It's clear desperation shown here as the closet expectation from some is that Imam, Fakhar and Babar need to win matches on their own for Pakistan each time.

Can anyone share any evidence that if Pakistan were 150/2 at 25th over mark, the other batters would have won the match? Have any of them done it in the past? What is the past record when the middle order is exposed for 25 overs in an ODI match?

Let me break it down for the two ODI series Pakistan played in 2021, against SA an Eng.

SA Match 1: Pakistan won chasing 273
Babar (103), Imam (70)
Middle order: Rizwan (40), Danish (3), Asif (2) - Shadab broke the collapse to get us over the line

SA Match 2: Pakistan lost chasing 341
Fakhar (193), Babar (31)
Middle order: Rizwan (0), Danish (9), Asif (19) - Combined SR of these two was 64 & 70

SA Match 3: Pakistan won defending 320
Fakhar (101), Babar (94), Imam (57)
Middle order: Rizwan (2), Sarfaraz (13), Faheem (1) - Rizwan came to bat at 35th over with 206 already on board. Still the middle order failed.

ENG Match 1: Pakistan lost defending 141
Fakhar (47), Babar (0), Imam (0) - top order failure
Middle order: Rizwan (13), Saud (5), Sohaib (19) - poor performance by middle order as usual

ENG Match 2: Pakistan lost chasing 247
Fakhar (10), Babar (19), Imam (1) - top order failure
Middle order: Rizwan (5), Saud (56), Sohaib (19) - poor performance by middle order as usual

ENG Match 3: Pakistan lost defending 331
Fakhar (6), Babar (158), Imam (56)
Middle order: Rizwan (74), Faheem (10), Sohaib (8)

You have to go as far back to the previous 50 over World Cup when Haris Sohail was a dependable No.4 and consistently scored hard runs, at a good strike rate. After he's gone off the radar, there hasn't been anyone to step up.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

It seems we are going round and round.

Your point is that the onus was on Babar, Fakhar and Imam to win the match and Fakhar stayed around for 18 balls in trying to do so.

Babar and Imam stayed for longer but at poor SR so the match slipped away from our hands.

I am arguing the total was 315.

Not a huge one.

One batsmen made 103 off 96 balls.

If 2 other batsmen in the team ( ANY other TWO) would have made 50 off 30 balls, or 60 off 40 balls, would we be closer to winning the match ?

Yet, there is no accountability.

Accountability is for 2 batsmen who scored the bulk of the runs, and the MOST ACCOUNTABILITY is for someone who scored 103 off 96 balls.

How is that even fair?

Had someone played even 70 or 80 odd runs with Imam at a SR of near 100 to 110 like he did, Pakistan would have won.

We lost because 10 other batsmen in the team either padded up their stats or at worse, even did not manage to make more than 25 runs in the grander scheme of things at WORSE SR and RUNS.

Throw him out if you must for scoring that 100.

But be clear we did not lose because one batsmen hit 103 off 96 balls.

We lost because remaining 10 batsmen made the WORST performance ever in support roles.

How much u explain , some people can’t understand they would be happy to play Umar akmal , Maqsood and Sharjeel instead and be happy about their 20 ball 30 runs and 30 ball 40 runs which will have no impact to the match anyway. The team that got all out for 225 , would have been all out for 175 inside 30 overs.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

It's clear desperation shown here as the closet expectation from some is that Imam, Fakhar and Babar need to win matches on their own for Pakistan each time.

Can anyone share any evidence that if Pakistan were 150/2 at 25th over mark, the other batters would have won the match? Have any of them done it in the past? What is the past record when the middle order is exposed for 25 overs in an ODI match?

Let me break it down for the two ODI series Pakistan played in 2021, against SA an Eng.

SA Match 1: Pakistan won chasing 273
Babar (103), Imam (70)
Middle order: Rizwan (40), Danish (3), Asif (2) - Shadab broke the collapse to get us over the line

SA Match 2: Pakistan lost chasing 341
Fakhar (193), Babar (31)
Middle order: Rizwan (0), Danish (9), Asif (19) - Combined SR of these two was 64 & 70

SA Match 3: Pakistan won defending 320
Fakhar (101), Babar (94), Imam (57)
Middle order: Rizwan (2), Sarfaraz (13), Faheem (1) - Rizwan came to bat at 35th over with 206 already on board. Still the middle order failed.

ENG Match 1: Pakistan lost defending 141
Fakhar (47), Babar (0), Imam (0) - top order failure
Middle order: Rizwan (13), Saud (5), Sohaib (19) - poor performance by middle order as usual

ENG Match 2: Pakistan lost chasing 247
Fakhar (10), Babar (19), Imam (1) - top order failure
Middle order: Rizwan (5), Saud (56), Sohaib (19) - poor performance by middle order as usual

ENG Match 3: Pakistan lost defending 331
Fakhar (6), Babar (158), Imam (56)
Middle order: Rizwan (74), Faheem (10), Sohaib (8)

You have to go as far back to the previous 50 over World Cup when Haris Sohail was a dependable No.4 and consistently scored hard runs, at a good strike rate. After he's gone off the radar, there hasn't been anyone to step up.

Fantastic , wanted someone to write it out to highlight that the middle order went missing ever since Misbah took over as coach cum selector and at the same time they also lost Haris Sohail who was a dependable no.4 and that’s why Babar was crying throwing tantrums when Haris was dropped.

 

[MRSN]

Posters who are saying we don't have talent. I don't think one needs to show positive intent only if he is some AB De Villiers or Warner.

Of course you need talent but at least from limited resources we have we can back players who play with more positive intent and play to win not to make their averages look good.

This is national team. The fans other than these players cheerleaders on social medias, only care about team winning not individuals averages or their landmarks. The reason why we are below par is because we rate players landmark more than their match winning contributions.

There is a mentality overhaul required. Defensive, selfish and defeatist mentality is all we have sadly these days.

 

[RyanRyan10]

It's clear desperation shown here as the closet expectation from some is that Imam, Fakhar and Babar need to win matches on their own for Pakistan each time.

Can anyone share any evidence that if Pakistan were 150/2 at 25th over mark, the other batters would have won the match? Have any of them done it in the past? What is the past record when the middle order is exposed for 25 overs in an ODI match?

Let me break it down for the two ODI series Pakistan played in 2021, against SA an Eng.

SA Match 1: Pakistan won chasing 273
Babar (103), Imam (70)
Middle order: Rizwan (40), Danish (3), Asif (2) - Shadab broke the collapse to get us over the line

SA Match 2: Pakistan lost chasing 341
Fakhar (193), Babar (31)
Middle order: Rizwan (0), Danish (9), Asif (19) - Combined SR of these two was 64 & 70

SA Match 3: Pakistan won defending 320
Fakhar (101), Babar (94), Imam (57)
Middle order: Rizwan (2), Sarfaraz (13), Faheem (1) - Rizwan came to bat at 35th over with 206 already on board. Still the middle order failed.

ENG Match 1: Pakistan lost defending 141
Fakhar (47), Babar (0), Imam (0) - top order failure
Middle order: Rizwan (13), Saud (5), Sohaib (19) - poor performance by middle order as usual

ENG Match 2: Pakistan lost chasing 247
Fakhar (10), Babar (19), Imam (1) - top order failure
Middle order: Rizwan (5), Saud (56), Sohaib (19) - poor performance by middle order as usual

ENG Match 3: Pakistan lost defending 331
Fakhar (6), Babar (158), Imam (56)
Middle order: Rizwan (74), Faheem (10), Sohaib (8)

You have to go as far back to the previous 50 over World Cup when Haris Sohail was a dependable No.4 and consistently scored hard runs, at a good strike rate. After he's gone off the radar, there hasn't been anyone to step up.

POTW for me.

Imam is always made the scapegoat despite being the 2nd most consistent batsman in the team. While guys like Rizwan are spared because they have done well in other formats. Fans should stop mixing the tournament. Middle-order is the weakest link of Pak odi team.

 

[Rana]

POTW for me.

Imam is always made the scapegoat despite being the 2nd most consistent batsman in the team. While guys like Rizwan are spared because they have done well in other formats. Fans should stop mixing the tournament. Middle-order is the weakest link of Pak odi team.

Guys like Rizwan are spared because of a personal agenda to support him at all costs, not because of his performances who no one buys!

 

[Energy]

Guys like Rizwan are spared because of a personal agenda to support him at all costs, not because of his performances who no one buys!

Rizwan averages 70 (SR 135) batting as opener in T20Is. Can you suggest any reason why he will not replicate that level of form in ODIs at that number?

 

[Rana]

Rizwan averages 70 (SR 135) batting as opener in T20Is. Can you suggest any reason why he will not replicate that level of form in ODIs at that number?

If Rizwan can do the same in ODI cricket as an opener, it will make him a greater opener than Tendulkar, Smith, Sehwag, Saeed Anwar, Sharma, Hayden, Gilchrist, Gibbs, Jayasuriya, Gayle and any legendary opener to have graced the 50 over game.

By all means, lets try this and see if he can do it!

 

[Barragan]

Yes.

Say good bye to the person who struck at 80-100 SR for 35 overs and hit 100 odd of 98 balls.

And keep the remaining hacks who played at SR of 50-70 and scored 10s and 20s.

So how will that make Pakistan formidable?

By somehow magically transforming those 50 SR batsmen to 100 SR as soon as Imam leaves the team?

It's either Rizwan being wasted at 4 or hanging onto Imam.

Easy choice, Rizwan moves to opening.

Unfortunately, that won't happen because there are hardly any dynamic batsmen to fill the void from no. 4 onwards (which I eluded to later in the post).

If Haider Ali and M. Haris can perform consistently in FC, then they would be the answer to no. 4 and 5 spot.

Then just need one other person for the no. 6 role and guys like Asif Ali or Khusdil Shah are not the answer in ODI's.

 

[hass]

I can't agree with the notion of removing Imam from the team at a time where he's scoring centuries. They may be slow but for me, the onus is on the rest of the side to score quickly. He's an anchor that has the runs to back it up. Babar, Rizwan etc don't have the runs yet play with the brakes on almost always.

Look at what Head and McDermott are doing for Australia at the moment. Looking to score every over and it pays dividends.

Pakistan on the other hand still looking to leave it to the end to score 100 off the last 50-60 balls. Scoreboard pressure always building and never releasing it. Pakistan seem scarred by batting collapses of the past and have no faith in their own ability. It doesn't fit white ball Cricket at all. This batting culture and mindset has to change.

 

[hitthestump]

Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Rizwan
Chacha
Khushdil/Haider Ali
Shadab
Nawaz
Shaheen
Rauf
Dhani/Naseem

A non-world beating team, but hopefully we can stave off complete humilation.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

This Pakistan ODI side is fairly good (far better than people give it credit for). There are only four teams that are better One Day sides than Pakistan: England, New Zealand, India and Australia (full-strength).

But the Pakistan side that won tonight is not a full-strength Pakistan side for me. Saud Shakeel being in there makes no sense when Imam, Babar and Rizwan are already playing the anchor/accumulator role. And Shadab and Nawaz badly need to be in there to provide some credibility to the spin department.

For me this Pakistan side is capable of beating any team in the world:

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Imam-ul-Haq
3. Babar Azam
4. Mohammad Rizwan
5. Haris Sohail/Iftikhar Ahmed
6. Khushdil Shah/Asif Ali
7. Shadab Khan
8. Mohammad Nawaz
9. Shaheen Shah Afridi
10. Haris Rauf
11. Naseem Shah/Hasan Ali

 

[shamaan]

This Pakistan ODI side is fairly good (far better than people give it credit for). There are only four teams that are better One Day sides than Pakistan: England, New Zealand, India and Australia (full-strength).

But the Pakistan side that won tonight is not a full-strength Pakistan side for me. Saud Shakeel being in there makes no sense when Imam, Babar and Rizwan are already playing the anchor/accumulator role. And Shadab and Nawaz badly need to be in there to provide some credibility to the spin department.

For me this Pakistan side is capable of beating any team in the world:

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Imam-ul-Haq
3. Babar Azam
4. Mohammad Rizwan
5. Haris Sohail/Iftikhar Ahmed
6. Khushdil Shah/Asif Ali
7. Shadab Khan
8. Mohammad Nawaz
9. Shaheen Shah Afridi
10. Haris Rauf
11. Naseem Shah/Hasan Ali

This team has more balanced good team

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It's clear desperation shown here as the closet expectation from some is that Imam, Fakhar and Babar need to win matches on their own for Pakistan each time.

Can anyone share any evidence that if Pakistan were 150/2 at 25th over mark, the other batters would have won the match? Have any of them done it in the past? What is the past record when the middle order is exposed for 25 overs in an ODI match?

Let me break it down for the two ODI series Pakistan played in 2021, against SA an Eng.

SA Match 1: Pakistan won chasing 273
Babar (103), Imam (70)
Middle order: Rizwan (40), Danish (3), Asif (2) - Shadab broke the collapse to get us over the line

SA Match 2: Pakistan lost chasing 341
Fakhar (193), Babar (31)
Middle order: Rizwan (0), Danish (9), Asif (19) - Combined SR of these two was 64 & 70

SA Match 3: Pakistan won defending 320
Fakhar (101), Babar (94), Imam (57)
Middle order: Rizwan (2), Sarfaraz (13), Faheem (1) - Rizwan came to bat at 35th over with 206 already on board. Still the middle order failed.

ENG Match 1: Pakistan lost defending 141
Fakhar (47), Babar (0), Imam (0) - top order failure
Middle order: Rizwan (13), Saud (5), Sohaib (19) - poor performance by middle order as usual

ENG Match 2: Pakistan lost chasing 247
Fakhar (10), Babar (19), Imam (1) - top order failure
Middle order: Rizwan (5), Saud (56), Sohaib (19) - poor performance by middle order as usual

ENG Match 3: Pakistan lost defending 331
Fakhar (6), Babar (158), Imam (56)
Middle order: Rizwan (74), Faheem (10), Sohaib (8)

You have to go as far back to the previous 50 over World Cup when Haris Sohail was a dependable No.4 and consistently scored hard runs, at a good strike rate. After he's gone off the radar, there hasn't been anyone to step up.

Fakhar, Imam and Babar have been the backbone of Pakistan's ODI batting for 5 years now and its sad that people are still not giving this combination their due. Pakistan hasn't had such a dependable Top 3 in their ODI history and yet some people are still clinging on to the 90s when scoring 300 or 300+ was like an elusive dream and the batting was largely carried by Saeed Anwar.

Imam already has as many centuries as his uncle, who is regarded as one of Pakistan's all-time best ODI batters. Babar is only second to Saeed Anwar when it comes to scoring the most ODI centuries for Pakistan. Fakhar has a double century and almost had two.

Time for people to give these guys their due because Pakistan is lucky to have all of three of them at the top.

 

[Kroll]

I think we're still along way from competing with the likes of England, full strength Australia and India. The reason being we don't have a middle order and the top order isn't going to fire every match especially in more testing conditions.

Developing a good middle order must be the absolute top priority for the team going forward. We don't have the right personnel for it yet but hopefully this can be nurtured and developed to become a formidable team once again.

 

[hitthestump]

Developing a good middle order must be the absolute top priority for the team going forward. We don't have the right personnel for it yet but hopefully this can be nurtured and developed to become a formidable team once again.

To give Misbah credit, he really tried to do this. We gave every middle order batsman from domestics a run in the team. In the end we ended up back with Hafeez and Malik.

Batting stocks are extremely dry in Pakistan. It's either tuk tuk players like Saud Shakeel or mindless hacks like Haider Ali. Pick your poison, because either way Pakistan don't look like having a middle order for years to come.

 

[Kroll]

This team has more balanced good team

4. Mohammad Rizwan
5. Haris Sohail/Iftikhar Ahmed
6. Khushdil Shah/Asif Ali
7. Shadab Khan
8. Mohammad Nawaz

Absolutely awful middle/lower order.

 

[mon858]

Since top 3 seems stable as others have said for now no point messing with it. Good to see they learnt from first odi and were much more positive.

Fakhar
Imam
Babar
Haris (if fit and available, still our best middle order bat among others. But age also not on his side)
Rizwan (no alternative at the moment. Would give Haris more time with A team , first class, etc)
For rest of middle order I would use below pool:
1. Qasim Akram (give enough chances, long potential)
2. Imad Wasim (still better than our other hacks, check record)
4. Shadab (improved lot as shown in t20s)
5. Nawaz (improved a lot as shown in t20s)
6. Khushdil (hack but still young, part time bowler and can continue to work on off side game with Mohammed yousuf)

No need for any assumulators like Saud or Abdullah Shafiq. They can be backup for Babar or Haris at best.
For opener backup we have Shan Masood.

Fast bowlers:
Shaheen
Haris
No more Hasan for while
No more Wasim jr for a while
Try Nasim Shah with new ball
Try Dahani for enough chances.

Unfortunately no good genuine spinner so rather play Nawaz Shadab Imad Qasim Akram than take bowler slot for Zahid or Usman Qadir.

Above can form core of ODI team given enough chances and with coaching help work on weaknesses and better strategy forms a decent enough team.

 

[shamaan]

4. Mohammad Rizwan
5. Haris Sohail/Iftikhar Ahmed
6. Khushdil Shah/Asif Ali
7. Shadab Khan
8. Mohammad Nawaz

Absolutely awful middle/lower order.

Good team with nawaz and Shadab they both give good balance and are excellent fielders.

 

[Kroll]

Good team with nawaz and Shadab they both give good balance and are excellent fielders.

The jury’s still out on those two cos they’re not regulars. The opportunity to grab those spots are there though.

Rizwan’s not a no.4 and less said about Iftikhar and Asif Ali the better cos doesn’t look like Haris Sohail will come back.

We need to have more ambition so no, its neither balanced or a good side.

 

[gazza619]

What is the point of Saud Shakeel in the ODI team? Not good enough for no.4. Not good enough for lower order. Below average part time bowler. Not so special fielder. Its like you are playing with 10 players with him in the XI.

 

[shamaan]

The jury’s still out on those two cos they’re not regulars. The opportunity to grab those spots are there though.

Rizwan’s not a no.4 and less said about Iftikhar and Asif Ali the better cos doesn’t look like Haris Sohail will come back.

We need to have more ambition so no, its neither balanced or a good side.

Shadab is a regular he's injured that's why he isn't in the current team.

Asif Ali is the only one I wouldn't have in the team/squad.
What middle lower order you thinking at ?

 

[Kroll]

Shadab is a regular he's injured that's why he isn't in the current team.

Asif Ali is the only one I wouldn't have in the team/squad.
What middle lower order you thinking at ?

I’ve said a few times, we haven’t got one, this needs to be developed for the long run.

They just need to play whatever diddies they are currently playing and hope the top order fires.

 

[indian_sap]

Just keep it simple, for the next series, Abdullah Shafique for Saud, Naseem for Hasan & find a place for Shan Masood as
extra...that's it, ODI & Test team solved!

 

[indian_sap]

The likes of iftikhar, Khushdil, Hasan Ali, Waseem jnr, zahid mehmood , Saud Shakeel needs to go.

Iftikhar keeps getting selected keeps failing. This guy awful against spin. The next World Cup is in India. What on earth is our management thinking when playing him. I don’t want to see him again. No matter how much he scores in domestics he’s clearly not good enough for internationals.

Khushdil looks an awful hack to be completely honest. No game against spin or pace, just swings everything to cow corner. He doesn’t look like a domestic level batsmen let alone international.

Hasan Ali, why does he keep getting selected? He keeps getting smacked regardless the format but keeps getting picked. To make things worse the captain is always backing this pathetic bowler. Someone tell Babar this is Pakistan cricket team not his personal team. I am sick and tired of watching him play and to be honest this clown alone is enough on the team-sheet to make me not watch the game.

Zahid mehmood, a 34 year old making a debut is enough to know about our management future plans and their thinking. A rubbish bowler and a fielder and a genius no 11. Uncle ifti is more mobile then him. He’s basically uncle nauman in odis. Get him gone.

Waseem jnr. What has he done to get selected. Whenever I see him he gets carted around by domestics batsmens. Is he selected because he has the same name as the chief selector? Other that then I can’t think of anything else. An awful bowler with no potential what so ever. A genuine no 10 with the bat. Some fans actually think he’s a good batsmen and an average fielder. He has pathetic stats in all formats with bat and ball. He makes Faheem look Gary sobers in front of him.

Saud Shakeel is the one I have soft spot for. He’s a good batsmen but clearly not an odi batsmen if he’s batting outside the top 3 and he’s not getting into the top 3 anytime soon.

Rizwan has also been shocking with the bat in odis he should be concentrating more on his batting rather this his idiotic laughing the whole game. This should be his last series if he doesn’t perform. Give someone else a go. He been flopping for a long time in odi’s. But I hope he finds a way because we don’t have much option last at all.

We also need to get rid of the below players:

Asif Ali the worst player to ever play for Pakistan and maybe the worst cricketer ever. How does he keep getting selected?
Asif afridi too old no need for him now.

Ideally I would like to see a team consist of players below:

Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Abdullah
Haider Ali
Rizwan
Shadab
Nawaz
Shaheen
Dhani
Haris rauf

With this team at least we have young players who actually have some potential and we can hope they develop rather then iftikhar Khushdil Asif the hack etc.

I can digest Nawaz for Khushdil however Haider Ali the tukka hack, seriously!?? And sorry no Dhani, will pick Naseem each day of the week over Dhani for better thinking n execution capabilities. For ODIs may also look at Shan in the 15-16 group.