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The Pakistan Super League final - what to do?

The Pakistan Super League final - what to do?

  • Play it in Lahore with no foreign players

    Votes: 54 49.5%

  • Play it in UAE with the foreign players

    Votes: 55 50.5%
  • Total voters
    109
  • Poll closed .
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Tough choice for the PCB - with the foreign players today saying no to playing in Lahore, should the PCB hold the final in Lahore without any foreign players or play it in UAE with the foreign players?
 
if this is how you treat your foreign players, do you really think they would wana comeback next season?

this way the whole combination of some teams are being ruined.

for example IU's main batting revolves around foreigners
 
Yes. It's Pakistan Super League, and must, gradually return to Pakistan. Even without foreigners, it should be played in Lahore. It's not about foreign players playing in front of empty stadiums in dubai, but it's about Pakistan. We all need to realize this. Also, it's a matter of gradually returning towards normalcy. For how long will you avoid hosting games in Pakistan in fear? As for foreign players not coming back next season, they are paid to play, they are not coming here as a charity.
 
this comment may appear insensitive to some as we are talking about cricket the day we have suffered a national tragedy of this magnitude but the psl final should be played in lahore with or without the foreign players.

it would be a perfect ode to the brave people who lost their lives today. it will also be a healing agent that our nation needs. we have bled way too much, and there hasn't been anything that has lifted the national spirit as much as this league and this league has a chance to provide us with a necessary balm.

the issue will come in the form of broadcasters as many of their crew are foreigners but something must be done to eliminate their reluctance.

if nothing happens between now and the time of the final, the show must go on.

let us pay homage to those that we lost today and ensure that their sacrifice helps us become a better nation tomorrow.
 
THe final should be in Lahore. Its for the people back in Pakistan who deserve to see their heroes play in front of them. Some foreign players might show up you never know but the show must go on
 
Major said:
if this is how you treat your foreign players, do you really think they would wana comeback next season?

this way the whole combination of some teams are being ruined.

for example IU's main batting revolves around foreigners
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Thats very very stupid, how exactly are you mistreating foreign players by having final in Lahore? Ever think about Pak ppl, by having not a single match played in Pak you are treting them very harshly?
Foreign players plays PSL for a reason and will play again next year but wil skip the final again if its held in Lahore.
 
Have the final in Lahore.

No point in hosting it in the UAE because of a few retired foreigners.
 
I'd like to add another option
"organise it in Rawalpindi, hand over the security control to Army"
 
Have it in Lahore even if it means the foreigners opt out - donate the ticket receipts to the families of those slaughtered today.
 
1. Most of the foreign players will not be involved in the final anyway, no matter where it's held.

2. The final will involve 8 or so foreign players at most. As to who they might be will not be known until the two finalists are decided. The rest will not be involved.

3. Of those 8 or so players from the two finalists, not all of them will refuse to play in Pakistan. Some will, some won't.

4. Play the final in Pakistan.

5. Offer any foreign player slots that become empty, from the two finalists because of refusal of some foreign players to play in Pakistan, to any of the foreign players willing to play in Pakistan from any of the other teams that did not make the final. I'm betting that many will be willing to take up the offer.
 
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It's difficult really.

The whole purpose of hosting the final in Lahore was to take an incremental step towards bringing international cricket back to Pakistan.

Final this year, maybe be play-offs next year, 3-4 years down the line host the full tournament in Pakistan etc. etc.

Proceeding with the final in Lahore while leaving all the international players back in the UAE will defeat the purpose of hosting the final in Lahore. Yes the people of Pakistan want to see cricket played at home, but a PSL final in Lahore without the international players will be no different to the National T20 Cup played in Pakistan every September.

We have to accept that it will be very, very difficult to convince the players to play in Lahore after the blast, so we have no choice but to play the final in Dubai. It is disappointing but that is how it is.
 
It's a toughie as [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] said.

Though I believe it should be kept in Lahore, I think of the fact that teams like Islamabad are nothing without their foreign players.

I guess, unwillingly, it has to be played in Dubai.
 
This tournament is for Pakistanis and it should be played in Pakistan. Watching empty stadiums in Dubai is depressing.
 
Mamoon said:
We have to accept that it will be very, very difficult to convince the players to play in Lahore after the blast, so we have no choice but to play the final in Dubai. It is disappointing but that is how it is.
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Not all of them. See my post #20 above.
 
My heart says it should be in laborers especially after what happened. This is an obvious attempt by foreign agencies to destabilise pakistan, suspicious so soon after PSL final was announced.
 
No choice but to play it in Dubai - and this is coming from someone who HATES watching the team play in the UAE...

Unfortunately - the situation demands it.
 
Major said:
if this is how you treat your foreign players, do you really think they would wana comeback next season?

this way the whole combination of some teams are being ruined.

for example IU's main batting revolves around foreigners
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Foreigners don't care as long as they get their pay check
 
Yossarian said:
1. Most of the foreign players will not be involved in the final anyway, no matter where it's held.

2. The final will involve 8 or so foreign players at most. As to who they might be will not be known until the two finalists are decided. The rest will not be involved.

3. Of those 8 or so players from the two finalists, not all of them will refuse to play in Pakistan. Some will, some won't.

4. Play the final in Pakistan.

5. Offer any foreign player slots that become empty, from the two finalists because of refusal of some foreign players to play in Pakistan, to any of the foreign players willing to play in Pakistan from any of the other teams that did not make the final. I'm betting that many will be willing to take up the offer.
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Agree with 1 to 4. However, No.5 is just ridiculous. You are ready to pick players from other teams that haven't qualified for the final. And that too, just the foreigners. PSL will lose all credibility if that happens.
 
Definitely the UAE.

Considering there's just been a bomb blast in Lahore and knowing that cricket players in particular have been targeted in the past it's a no-brainer, really.

In my opinion, there should be no international cricket in Pakistan for the next 20 years or so. I hope around that time we see some level of stability. They have much to improve on when it comes to security conditions. Ironically, being escorted by military officials and helicopters has the complete opposite affect of feeling safe.
 
Its sad, sad, sad news.
But one of the purpose of this terrorist attack probably was to disturb the normalcy which seemed to be returning.
The fight against terrorism continues, lets play the final at Lahore to give terrorists a message, of curse with proper security arrangement and foreign players not expected to fly to Lahore now.
 
OmaIR1 said:
In my opinion, there should be no international cricket in Pakistan for the next 20 years or so. I hope around that time we see some level of stability. They have much to improve on when it comes to security conditions. Ironically, being escorted by military officials and helicopters has the complete opposite affect of feeling safe.
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Indeed stability will come with time, but if Pak doesn't have int team visiting Pak for next 20 years, then cricket will surely die there .So if thats what you want then just stop watching and following Pak cricket.
 
Final NOW should be in UAE , no point forcing foreign players . Without Foreign players the PSL final will look very ordinary
 
OmaIR1 said:
Definitely the UAE.

Considering there's just been a bomb blast in Lahore and knowing that cricket players in particular have been targeted in the past it's a no-brainer, really.

In my opinion, there should be no international cricket in Pakistan for the next 20 years or so. I hope around that time we see some level of stability. They have much to improve on when it comes to security conditions. Ironically, being escorted by military officials and helicopters has the complete opposite affect of feeling safe.
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It's a Catch-22 situation.

By making it such a big deal to have foreign players, the PCB has created a red rag to wave to a bull. Having foreign players has been made to be a bigger event than the tournament itself.

And as such it has become to be seen as a political event and not a cricket tournament.

The PCB should have simply held the PSL in Pakistan, without any razzmatazz about foreign players. If they came, good. If they didn't come, no big deal.

Slowly, it would have just become a cricket tournament (just like any other domestic cricket tournament in Pakistan - which aren't specifically targets for terrorists). Once the foreign players had seen it being just a cricket tournament, and not a political event that was a target for terrorists, they would have started coming
 
Timing of this attack . . and the city of this attack! Very very very strange . . .

Anyway!

It is indeed very tough . . but in my opinion you have to think long term! Why are foreign players playing the league if they don't get to compete in the final and win it? Surely, thats the motivation for most players . . to come and win the league . .

First priority for PCB should be to get the pulse of all the foreign players and assure them that the security plans for Lahore on match day are not going to be affected by this. I believe the plan was to have them fly in on match day. Fly them to the ground via a helicopter. Fly them out the same way right after the game.

If the foreign players don't agree (which is their right), then frankly, I don't know what you will achieve having the final in Lahore? It might do more damage than good!
 
This problem could have been avoided had their been a decent stadium in Islamabad. A small size city that is well planned and easy to ensure security. Foreign players are apprehensive of their security in a mega size city and understandably so. I don't blame them. Neither the fans nor the PCB appreciate the wisdom of having a cricket stadium in the capital city. Sad.
 
Was going to give an opinion but [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has put it aptly.

The entire point of PSL final was to convince the foreign players that Pakistan is a safe country.

What is the point of a final in Lahore that has only domestic players?Every one already knows that domestic players are not the target of terror attacks in Pakistan.
[MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION] said something about including foreign players who are willing to play. Even though the idea is innovative it is pointless. Why?

Because the entire point is to convince people who play and qualify for finals that league is safe and Pakistan is safe.

Those that are willing to play in Pakistan are already convinced that it is safe. And if they are coming out of teams that have not qualified, it becomes even more absurd as it means they are coming for a quick pay check instead of actually believing that Pakistan is safe.

The entire world will see it as such.

I think for this PSL final we just have to bite the bullet and hold it in Dubai and try to hold the Semi Finals and Finals in ISB and Lahore in the next tournament directly.

We can always hold the final in Lahore excluding foreigners but it would be like National One Day Tournament.

No glamour, no purpose.
 
After yesterday, The final in Lahore would be without crowds too. Security is too weak to cope up with that.
 
Playing without foreign players is useless , we will have a national bank t20 in pakistan later this year.


Play the final in dubai.
 
My argument on the matter is extremely simple - you yield once, you'll yield forever. Sometimes you have to take bitter pill and make your own way in this world; no matter how bizarre it may look or feel - Playing the final in Lahore is one such step.

If we ourselves don't have the confidence to hold 1 single domestic T20 game in our country, do you really think countries would be willing to sign off on entire tours being held here ?? If it were to the world or other countries, Pakistan would never be allowed to hold cricket matches ever !!

This is the harsh truth about it and we must make every effort to make this happen.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
My argument on the matter is extremely simple - you yield once, you'll yield forever. Sometimes you have to take bitter pill and make your own way in this world; no matter how bizarre it may look or feel - Playing the final in Lahore is one such step.

If we ourselves don't have the confidence to hold 1 single domestic T20 game in our country, do you really think countries would be willing to sign off on entire tours being held here ?? If it were to the world or other countries, Pakistan would never be allowed to hold cricket matches ever !!

This is the harsh truth about it and we must make every effort to make this happen.
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Playing in UAE was already yielding. Lahore final was a long shot. Even Pakistani players would want to avoid a game which has automatic bulls eye target for terrorists because of all the hype.
 
Once you announce it with such fanfare that come what may, the final will be held in Lahore (with or without foreigners) then it's a complete no-brainer that the final should be held in Lahore. You cannot backtrack on your statement.
 
Foreign players refuse to play PSL final in Lahore after blast

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/201...fuse-to-play-psl-final-in-lahore-after-blast/

DUBAI: Foreign players have refused to play Pakistan Super League (PSL) final at Gaddafi Stadium after Lahore’s blast, confirmed Pakistan Super League (PSL) Chairman Najam Sethi.

Sethi has said that PSL management is still trying to convince overseas players to play the final in Lahore, however, if they do not agree then final will be played in Lahore by national cricketers only.

PSL chairman expressed that it is a very big incident, but the enemy cannot jolt our purposes as we will keep on fighting against the terrorism.

However, some officials said that PSL administration cannot risk conducting the final match without overseas players, so chances are there that the PSL final will also be held in Dubai.



It is pertinent here to mention that PSL management had first said that final will be held in Lahore depending on security conditions, but later, Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) had officially verified that it will be played at Gaddafi Stadium.
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Tekcirc said:
Playing in UAE was already yielding. Lahore final was a long shot. Even Pakistani players would want to avoid a game which has automatic bulls eye target for terrorists because of all the hype.
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Playing PSL 1.0 in UAE was not yielding, it was an automatic choice as venue because Pakistan had been playing international cricket in the UAE for over half a decade. PSL 2.0's final is only scheduled to take place in Lahore which is a very decent offer way to integrate Pakistani venue back into international cricket.

However, 1 incident shouldn't be the end of this effort and the final should go on as planned. As the post above mine says.. Come what may, we play the final in Gaddafi. In a world where professional ethics are the key to respect we cannot backtrack from our plans.

Will make us look weak and stupid.
 
Seems like PCB wants PSL season 2 to be final season with guest players from other nations. They are working hard to make sure next season is only played by our local players only.

Quite sad management or lack of it.
 
It has to be played in Lahore. We can't give the terrorists what they want. We as a nation have to improve the situation one step at a time and one match in Lahore will be the first step
 
Why can't Pakistanis just accept reality and build a decent stadium in Gwadar?

It's the only city where you can control the influx and outflow of people and where terrorists can't hide amongst the masses because there are no masses.

Sure, the population is only 85,000. So build a small boutique stadium for 8,000 people and start playing some PSL matches there.

Then you can build up to the PSL Final, and hopefully some international matches.
 
How is a PSL final in Lahore without non Pakistani players going to be any different from the Haier/Faysal Bank cup? Wasn't the whole point of hosting the final in Lahore to demonstrate that normalcy is returning and it's safe for non locals to play in Pakistan?
 
As a neutral supporter I think that the final should be held in UAE.

One of the primary reasons behind holding the final at Lahore was to convey the message to the world that Pakistan is slowly but surely getting safe for international cricket.


But sadly if the foreign players don't participate in the final it will send a wrong message to the world. It's sad, but that's the reality.

Atm, psl is really important for Pakistan cricket. So, PCB should hold this year's final at UAE and if the situation permits they will always get the option to hold the final at Lahore in next year.
 
Play the final in Pakistan but move it to Rawalpindi. After yesterday, there's now been two major blasts in Lahore since the start of last year.
 
It will be selfish to deprive foreign players from the teams who made it to final from playing in the final. They obviously wont go to Lahore and you can't blackmail them.
 
Markhor said:
Play the final in Pakistan but move it to Rawalpindi. After yesterday, there's now been two major blasts in Lahore since the start of last year.
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Play a PSL final without foreign players, foreign players lose incentive to turn up for next PSL.
 
There is no point playing the final in Lahore without foreign players. That's not going to give any positive message regarding security situation in Pakistan. Try to convince foreign players to play it in Lahore or any other city in Pakistan. If that doesn't work, then we have to defer the plan and hope that PSL 3 final (with foreign players) could take place in Pakistan.
 
Stallion__ said:
There is no point playing the final in Lahore without foreign players. That's not going to give any positive message regarding security situation in Pakistan. Try to convince foreign players to play it in Lahore or any other city in Pakistan. If that doesn't work, then we have to defer the plan and hope that PSL 3 final (with foreign players) could take place in Pakistan.
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Even without foreign players if God forbid something happens at PSL finals. PCB would have no chance of even talking about matches in Pakistan for a decade. The risk is too much, let PSL flourish and survive this fixing scandal this year.
 
Stallion__ said:
There is no point playing the final in Lahore without foreign players. That's not going to give any positive message regarding security situation in Pakistan. Try to convince foreign players to play it in Lahore or any other city in Pakistan. If that doesn't work, then we have to defer the plan and hope that PSL 3 final (with foreign players) could take place in Pakistan.
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This. Frame it in gold.
 
Personally, safest and simplest solution: Fly them to Lahore Airport on the day and then board a helicopter straight to the ground, play the game and fly straight back out afterwards without setting foot outside the stadium. Yes the cost of this may be high but if we want it in Lahore, this is really the only safe option.

It is simply not safe enough to have foreign international players in Pakistan – last thing we want is something to happen to one of them, that would kill cricket in Pakistan for another 20 years, minimum.

Stupid to hold the final in Lahore without ANY of the foreign players.
 
Tekcirc said:
Even without foreign players if God forbid something happens at PSL finals. PCB would have no chance of even talking about matches in Pakistan for a decade. The risk is too much, let PSL flourish and survive this fixing scandal this year.
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Local players are lesser lucrative targets for terrorists. And without foreign players, it will be like a domestic match. We can't take all domestic cricket outside Pakistan.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Was going to give an opinion but [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has put it aptly.

The entire point of PSL final was to convince the foreign players that Pakistan is a safe country.

What is the point of a final in Lahore that has only domestic players?Every one already knows that domestic players are not the target of terror attacks in Pakistan.
[MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION] said something about including foreign players who are willing to play. Even though the idea is innovative it is pointless. Why?

Because the entire point is to convince people who play and qualify for finals that league is safe and Pakistan is safe.

Those that are willing to play in Pakistan are already convinced that it is safe. And if they are coming out of teams that have not qualified, it becomes even more absurd as it means they are coming for a quick pay check instead of actually believing that Pakistan is safe.

The entire world will see it as such.

I think for this PSL final we just have to bite the bullet and hold it in Dubai and try to hold the Semi Finals and Finals in ISB and Lahore in the next tournament directly.

We can always hold the final in Lahore excluding foreigners but it would be like National One Day Tournament.

No glamour, no purpose.
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This fixation by desis of having foreign players in their T20 leagues is nauseating in the extreme. Now that those who lived during the days of the Raj are getting few in numbers, have their descendants developed some sort of romanticism with the times of colonial rule?
The T20 Big Bash League, the RAM Slam T20 Challenge and the NatWest T20 Blast aren't as fixated with having 'foreign stars' as these desi leagues, they'll take them if they can, but they're not dependent upon them for the success of their leagues.

As for the comment that the PSL would be just another domestic tournament without foreign players, that simply shows the lack of understanding of the differences between traditional clubs and competitions based upon historical structures, with ownership of the clubs being akin to pubic bodies due to being owned by their members, and all profits ploughed back into the games as a result, as opposed to clubs based upon private ownership and the competitions designed to make profits for the club owners.

The private ownership and profit making franchise model, due to the needs of investors to make higher and higher returns year-upon-year means that they will innovate, try out new ideas in order to make their investments pay. That's why the PSL, for example, is not just another domestic tournament, with or without foreign players.
 
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Lahore's side would probably look something like this:

Azhar
Fakhar
Umar
Badar
Rizwan
Yamin
Gohar
Bhatti
Tanvir
Yasir
Ghulam/Irfan Jr

Peshawar:

Hafeez
Kamran
Haris
Maqsood
Chacha Ifti
Khushdil Shah
Afridi
Wahab
Asghar
Hasan
Junaid
 
Should PSL final take place in Lahore with or without International players?

What do you guys think about the PSL final?

Obviously after the unfortunate blast in Lahore,my opinion is the final venue should be changed to Dubai & it should be done with International players!
Talk about having it in Pakistan without the international players is ridiculous for me, what are the international players working hard for? Why should they play the rest of the tournament? PSL will be like any other domestic tournament! Just have some fun/friendly games in Lahore after the PSL with all Pakistani stars??! Ya tab sab Pakistani players busy hojaate hain? Tab revival of Pakistan cricket yaad nai rehta?

YES, it would've been a comeback for Pakistan not only in cricket but also as a nation if we did have it in Lahore, would've given us something to cheer about as Pakistani's after a long time, but the situation now demands that we shift it & improve our security for next year, In'sha'ALLAH (إن شاء الله).

What is your opinion? Let me know✌
 
Forget PSL final. I say PCB should hold next PSL in Pakistan regardless of foreign players participates or not.

We are not gaining any benefit from playing in UAE. With Army rangers deployed in Punjab. We must hold Final in Lahore. Yaar we are not getting any profit from hosting in UAE, team owners must be having second thoughts as well because they are not promoting their products where they will sell, who will buy Pakistani products in UAE. Its a poor marketing but hats off to the owners for sponsoring teams despite v poor revenue being generated.

Final Lahore mein hona chaiye. Whether foreign players comes or not, it was 50!50 anyway about players coming to pakistan. So nothing has changed we should send a message that we are going to play in Pakistan from now ON. Full Stop we must take a stand against the Devils who are trying to destroy Pakistan image.
 
PSL will not be PSL without foreign players. It will be like the National T20 competition. But saying that I wouldn't mind the PSL final in Lahore this year with or without foreign players as it will be a slap to the face of the terrorists.
If the final doesn't take place in Lahore this year then the terrorist has succeeded in what they wanted.

Don't think all foreign players will be willing to play next year in Pakistan too even if their is improvement. We should take it step by step. Play final in Lahore this year. And next year play semi finals and final in Pakistan.
 
lahoriyah1234 said:
Forget PSL final. I say PCB should hold next PSL in Pakistan regardless of foreign players participates or not.

We are not gaining any benefit from playing in UAE. With Army rangers deployed in Punjab. We must hold Final in Lahore. Yaar we are not getting any profit from hosting in UAE, team owners must be having second thoughts as well because they are not promoting their products where they will sell, who will buy Pakistani products in UAE. Its a poor marketing but hats off to the owners for sponsoring teams despite v poor revenue being generated.

Final Lahore mein hona chaiye. Whether foreign players comes or not, it was 50!50 anyway about players coming to pakistan. So nothing has changed we should send a message that we are going to play in Pakistan from now ON. Full Stop we must take a stand against the Devils who are trying to destroy Pakistan image.
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Next PSL Yes! I would love to see cricket back in Pakistan.
But final for this PSL in Pakistan without the foreign players, NO! what message are we sending then? Tournament khelney kiyu aye foreign players agar final hi nai khel sakte..
Foreign players are targets! Taking them to Pakistan now is a huge threat (was before too, but now we have shown lapse in security) the attack in lahore was a bit obvious no? Still we allowed some protest there, security already should've been on high alert(maybe even involve army) anyways without getting into the politics of things, I THINK this time PSL has to end in Dubai, talks of a draft for the final is just killing the league.
Yes the revenue we are getting from the UAE is minimum but this league is developing into something brilliant for us, when ever we shift it back (In'sha'Allah (إن شاء الله) soon) it will be amazing!
 
it should be held in UAE. Last year the play offs and finals were full houses anyways and i would expect it to be like that this year too.
 
Very close poll.

Play it in UAE just ahead at the moment.
 
Pakistan vow to host PSL final despite Lahore blast

DUBAI: Pakistani cricket officials have vowed to stage the final of their Twenty20 league in Lahore next month, despite a powerful Taliban suicide bomb blast which killed 13 people there this week.

The first two rounds of the Pakistan Super League (PSL) are being played in Dubai and Sharjah, but organisers had planned the March 5 final in the eastern Pakistani city, vowing "head of state security" for international players.

However multiple Taliban suicide attacks in Pakistan this week, including Monday's bomb in Lahore, put those plans in jeopardy.

"We are committed to hosting the final in Lahore as our people want it there and it will be a step towards reviving international cricket," PSL chairman Najam Sethi said Thursday in Dubai. "VVIP security is ensured."

The violence-hit country has not hosted a high-profile foreign team since a 2009 gun and bomb attack on the Sri Lankan cricket side that killed eight people and injured nine others, including visiting players.

Sethi said international players competing in the PSL - a list which includes former New Zealand captain Brendon McCullum, West Indian stars Chris Gayle and Dwayne Bravo, Australia's Shane Watson, Bangladesh's Shakib Al Hasan and England's Twenty20 captain Eoin Morgan - would be asked by February 22 if they are willing to go to Lahore should their team make the final.

"After that those who do not want to go will be replaced with other foreign players who are available for Lahore," he said.

Officials have already said players will be provided with bullet-proof buses and heavy police protection, among other high-level security measures.

Five teams - Islamabad United, Karachi Kings, Lahore Qalandars, Peshawar Zalmi and Quetta Gladiators - are taking part in the league, which reported a healthy $2.6 million profit last year despite being held entirely in the United Arab Emirates.

Pakistan has seen a dramatic improvement in security in the last two years thanks to a military and government crackdown on extremism.

But groups like the Pakistani Taliban retain the ability to carry out spectacular attacks.

The Pakistan Cricket Board have tried to convince the West Indies, Bangladesh, Ireland and Sri Lanka to play in Pakistan in the last five years, but all declined over security fears.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...despite-lahore-blast/articleshow/57187364.cms
 
If the final is to be played in Lahore, it will be without international players. Presence of international players means that final will be target of the terrorists and they would do anything to make an attack attempt.

Please do not forget that Zimbabwe tour to Pakistan was not incident free and two people (a policeman & civilian) lost their lives as the result of a suicide bomb. Was the cricket tour important than their lives? No matter how much you love cricket but it's not important than anyone's life.

The security would be president level and there's high chance nothing will happen to the players nor the match officials and crowd in stadium but a similar incident like the one during Zimbabwe tour can take a life of security personal or a civilians around.

It's just not worth it.
 
Yossarian said:
This fixation by desis of having foreign players in their T20 leagues is nauseating in the extreme. Now that those who lived during the days of the Raj are getting few in numbers, have their descendants developed some sort of romanticism with the times of colonial rule?
The T20 Big Bash League, the RAM Slam T20 Challenge and the NatWest T20 Blast aren't as fixated with having 'foreign stars' as these desi leagues, they'll take them if they can, but they're not dependent upon them for the success of their leagues.

As for the comment that the PSL would be just another domestic tournament without foreign players, that simply shows the lack of understanding of the differences between traditional clubs and competitions based upon historical structures, with ownership of the clubs being akin to pubic bodies due to being owned by their members, and all profits ploughed back into the games as a result, as opposed to clubs based upon private ownership and the competitions designed to make profits for the club owners.

The private ownership and profit making franchise model, due to the needs of investors to make higher and higher returns year-upon-year means that they will innovate, try out new ideas in order to make their investments pay. That's why the PSL, for example, is not just another domestic tournament, with or without foreign players.
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You have completely missed the point of the existence of the PSL in the first place, and the analogy with the BBL, Ram Slam T20 Challenge and the NatWest T20 Blast are illogical to begin with. First of all, these leagues already have a decent number of overseas players. Besides, SA are going to launch a revamped T20 competition soon and there are talks that England will follow suit as well, so clearly, they realize the importance of having overseas players in their competition to boost the fan following and popularity, which obviously means more money.

On the contrary, the Pakistan T20 league that is played in September every year does not have a single overseas player. It is by far the most outdated T20 competition around with hardly any fan following and public interest. PSL happened in simply in response to the success of the IPL and later on, to a lesser extent, the BPL and the CPL.

PSL will be just another tournament without the foreign players. It is delusional to think that investors will pour in their money in a league where there are no foreign players and stars like Gayle, Pietersen, etc., and that it will have a considerable fan following. What innovations and what 'new ideas', when you will struggle to attract the crowds or have considerable TV audience, and thus, will struggle to attract sponsors?

Since you are adamant that it is simply the colonial mentality of the people that is the driving force behind the urge to have foreign players in the PSL, please walk the talk and provide a model with the 'innovative and new ideas', and explain how a T20 league without any foreign players can be established with the same fan following as the PSL and with similar power to attract sponsors, and how it is going to be different to the existing T20 Cup that takes place in Pakistan every September.

I'm sure you can do it, because you seem very confident that the PSL does not need any foreign players. Unfortunately no one in the PCB has your vision otherwise they would not have gone to such lengths to host a T20 tournament in the UAE so that it can attract foreign players.
 
Mamoon said:
You have completely missed the point of the existence of the PSL in the first place, and the analogy with the BBL, Ram Slam T20 Challenge and the NatWest T20 Blast are illogical to begin with. First of all, these leagues already have a decent number of overseas players. Besides, SA are going to launch a revamped T20 competition soon and there are talks that England will follow suit as well, so clearly, they realize the importance of having overseas players in their competition to boost the fan following and popularity, which obviously means more money.

On the contrary, the Pakistan T20 league that is played in September every year does not have a single overseas player. It is by far the most outdated T20 competition around with hardly any fan following and public interest. PSL happened in simply in response to the success of the IPL and later on, to a lesser extent, the BPL and the CPL.

PSL will be just another tournament without the foreign players. It is delusional to think that investors will pour in their money in a league where there are no foreign players and stars like Gayle, Pietersen, etc., and that it will have a considerable fan following. What innovations and what 'new ideas', when you will struggle to attract the crowds or have considerable TV audience, and thus, will struggle to attract sponsors?

Since you are adamant that it is simply the colonial mentality of the people that is the driving force behind the urge to have foreign players in the PSL, please walk the talk and provide a model with the 'innovative and new ideas', and explain how a T20 league without any foreign players can be established with the same fan following as the PSL and with similar power to attract sponsors, and how it is going to be different to the existing T20 Cup that takes place in Pakistan every September.

I'm sure you can do it, because you seem very confident that the PSL does not need any foreign players. Unfortunately no one in the PCB has your vision otherwise they would not have gone to such lengths to host a T20 tournament in the UAE so that it can attract foreign players.
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Well said and agree with what you saying. We can't turn this into the domestic Pakistan T20 league which is dull and boring. Hardly followed by anyone.
Foreign players are a must otherwise might as well cancel this PSL.
 
s.h.a.k said:
Well said and agree with what you saying. We can't turn this into the domestic Pakistan T20 league which is dull and boring. Hardly followed by anyone.
Foreign players are a must otherwise might as well cancel this PSL.
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Going by that logic, why have any Pakistani players at all? Make the PSL with foreign players only! Or perhaps just have a token single Pakistani player per team to make it appear as it being a Pakistani league!
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] totally agree with your points. without foreign players these leagues lose their selling point.
 
Yossarian said:
Going by that logic, why have any Pakistani players at all? Make the PSL with foreign players only! Or perhaps just have a token single Pakistani player per team to make it appear as it being a Pakistani league!
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You not understanding the point. Their is a domestic T20 already with only Pakistan players played in Pakistan. Why didn't they turn that into a PSL. Because it's dull, boring and not followed worldwide.
Also By playing with these foreign players, our players can learn something which will improve their game. Look at Yasir Shahs bowling under Mcullums captaincy.

Same think with the other leagues around the world. You think IPL will be as big as without foreign players.
 
Yossarian said:
Going by that logic, why have any Pakistani players at all? Make the PSL with foreign players only! Or perhaps just have a token single Pakistani player per team to make it appear as it being a Pakistani league!
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The biggest selling point of the PSL is that you see foreign players play with Pakistani players. To see the likes of McCullum, Gayle, Pietersen, Sangakkara, Watson etc. play with/against Pakistani players is what makes PSL exciting for the common fan and generates fan following.

A league with Pakistani players only and a Pakistani league with foreign players only will not sell as well as a Pakistani league with both Pakistani and foreign players.

Obviously, the number of foreign players per team has to be limited because helping PSL unearth new talent is also one of the main objectives. These T20 leagues is the quickest route from domestic cricket to international cricket; it is a springboard.

A domestic player can become a household name overnight by succeeding in the PSL. Sharjeel was already known, but the likes of Nawaz and Asghar were nobodies before the PSL, and no one knew about them. After PSL 1, even casual fans of Pakistan cricket were aware of them.
 
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