The PCB needs to mend fences with other boards instead of antagonising them

[MenInG]

Cooler heads need to prevail - ASAP!

The whole Bangladesh thing done at some false sense of security which we seemed to have got after the PSL final.

Fact is NO other board is looking at it that way

We are losing our marbles for a non-existent issue so lets stop threatening and huffing/puffing at any board we feel like

It may earn some short term brownie points with the local population but is doing nothing for our longer term interests in being friendly with others.

Just stop it. Use our heads and deal in smart diplomacy alone, instead of the shotgun version.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

No need to mend any sort of relation with Bangladesh. Having a munchkin sort of minnow team, on our side will do us no good whatsoever.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

No need to mend any sort of relation with Bangladesh. Having a munchkin sort of minnow team, on our side will do us no good whatsoever.

Hamare jaan sodne ki khwayish ke liye thanks. Best of luck with others.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Cooler heads need to prevail - ASAP!

The whole Bangladesh thing done at some false sense of security which we seemed to have got after the PSL final.

Fact is NO other board is looking at it that way

We are losing our marbles for a non-existent issue so lets stop threatening and huffing/puffing at any board we feel like

It may earn some short term brownie points with the local population but is doing nothing for our longer term interests in being friendly with others.

Just stop it. Use our heads and deal in smart diplomacy alone, instead of the shotgun version.

Agree with every words. Real mature thoughts. Wish PCB would have that matured.

 

[msb314]

Cooler heads need to prevail - ASAP!

The whole Bangladesh thing done at some false sense of security which we seemed to have got after the PSL final.

Fact is NO other board is looking at it that way

We are losing our marbles for a non-existent issue so lets stop threatening and huffing/puffing at any board we feel like

It may earn some short term brownie points with the local population but is doing nothing for our longer term interests in being friendly with others.

Just stop it. Use our heads and deal in smart diplomacy alone, instead of the shotgun version.

What happened - was there an issue over BCB declining Pakistan's offer?

 

[PakLFC]

Please. Never mind other countries when the PCB officials are always caught in a civil war. It all starts at the government level where Nawaz chooses his best friends for every post.

 

[ali2220]

What happened - was there an issue over BCB declining Pakistan's offer?

Not so far, i don't even see a need for this thread, PCB can invite Bang, and bang can refuse, as long as pcb is not talking about any boycott, noone should be complaining.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Cooler heads need to prevail - ASAP!

The whole Bangladesh thing done at some false sense of security which we seemed to have got after the PSL final.

Fact is NO other board is looking at it that way

We are losing our marbles for a non-existent issue so lets stop threatening and huffing/puffing at any board we feel like

It may earn some short term brownie points with the local population but is doing nothing for our longer term interests in being friendly with others.

Just stop it. Use our heads and deal in smart diplomacy alone, instead of the shotgun version.

Not that simple MIG, Bangladesh is currently being played by the cricket financial superpower, for Pakistan to come to a deal there would need to be a deal done which would suit all parties. We should perhaps accept that in cricket Pakistan doesn't have the clout that others do in this limited sphere.

 

[Tusker]

Cooler heads need to prevail - ASAP!

The whole Bangladesh thing done at some false sense of security which we seemed to have got after the PSL final.

Fact is NO other board is looking at it that way

We are losing our marbles for a non-existent issue so lets stop threatening and huffing/puffing at any board we feel like

It may earn some short term brownie points with the local population but is doing nothing for our longer term interests in being friendly with others.

Just stop it. Use our heads and deal in smart diplomacy alone, instead of the shotgun version.

Pakistan, PCB, Diplomacy, Cool Heads , long Term ..... all in one post !!! Too much to handle for me.

I need my daily dose of just the opposite (the Way it is) damnit !!

 

[Rayyman]

I disagree with OP.

PCB is being nice and aggressive. No point in sitting around and waiting. Nobody likes Pakistan anyway. So we will have to ask them for tours.

 

[Abdullah719]

I disagree with OP.

PCB is being nice and aggressive. No point in sitting around and waiting. Nobody likes Pakistan anyway. So we will have to ask them for tours.

Asking them isn't the problem. But then the whole talk of compensation doesn't really cut it.

We can invite teams like WI and SL to UAE but we can't invite BD.

Doesn't add up.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Asking them isn't the problem. But then the whole talk of compensation doesn't really cut it.

We can invite teams like WI and SL to UAE but we can't invite BD.

Doesn't add up.

The SL team was the one attacked in 2009 so I'll give them leeway on the fact that they were the victims for our botch up and deserve to come at their own terms rather than us forcing them to. West Indies are not a subcontinent team and hence they are well within their rights to decline or accept our offer.

Both these teams induce looses in the UAE but we still host them because we do not have an alternative option by inviting them to Pakistan as mentioned in the above reason. We don't run after India to come to Pakistan because hosting them in UAE would give us a net profit either way so it doesn't really matter where we host them as long as we host them.

That leaves BD which should tour Pakistan since they can (as there is no threat for them here) and we loose money hosting them in UAE. Simple as.....

If they don't agree on these realistic terms I would sue them and ask for compensation.

 

[bleaf27]

Cooler heads need to prevail - ASAP!

The whole Bangladesh thing done at some false sense of security which we seemed to have got after the PSL final.

Fact is NO other board is looking at it that way

We are losing our marbles for a non-existent issue so lets stop threatening and huffing/puffing at any board we feel like

It may earn some short term brownie points with the local population but is doing nothing for our longer term interests in being friendly with others.

Just stop it. Use our heads and deal in smart diplomacy alone, instead of the shotgun version.

Couldn't agree more , your posts are quite sensible and mature .

 

[The_Odd_One]

International cricket is not happening in Pakistan. PCB should just accept it. Play Bangladesh in the UAE or Sri Lanka.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

International cricket is not happening in Pakistan. PCB should just accept it. Play Bangladesh in the UAE or Sri Lanka.

Yeah and if we leave it to the likes of BCB and other Board International Cricket will NEVER !! happen in Pakistan EVER again.

The reality is my friend you need to arm twist a few to get what you want - Welcome to the Real World.

 

[JaDed]

Yeah and if we leave it to the likes of BCB and other Board International Cricket will NEVER !! happen in Pakistan EVER again.

The reality is my friend you need to arm twist a few to get what you want - Welcome to the Real World.

Glad we have supporters of BCCI's policy(as propagated) across the border would had been nice if the support was shown earlier.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Glad we have supporters of BCCI's policy(as propagated) across the border would had been nice if the support was shown earlier.

I never hold BCCI responsible for anything, they do what they do to make sure their board and brand stays on top and they've been doing it pretty successfully for the past decade so Kudos to them.

Similarly we need to shed this moral high horse and use any dirty political means to corner someone into coming to Pakistan and then propagate that tour to establish a more friendlier view point of the country. If we need to arm twist Bangladesh in doing so then so be it.

I don't even care if they need to seal the Afghan border permanently to make this tour success. Just do it FGS !!

 

[Abdullah719]

The SL team was the one attacked in 2009 so I'll give them leeway on the fact that they were the victims for our botch up and deserve to come at their own terms rather than us forcing them to. West Indies are not a subcontinent team and hence they are well within their rights to decline or accept our offer.

Both these teams induce looses in the UAE but we still host them because we do not have an alternative option by inviting them to Pakistan as mentioned in the above reason. We don't run after India to come to Pakistan because hosting them in UAE would give us a net profit either way so it doesn't really matter where we host them as long as we host them.

That leaves BD which should tour Pakistan since they can (as there is no threat for them here) and we loose money hosting them in UAE. Simple as.....

If they don't agree on these realistic terms I would sue them and ask for compensation.

This is an idealistic view of looking at the situation, not a realistic one.

You can't simply expect one Board to do what no other Board has done (barring the farce that is ZCB) and then threaten to sue when they don't comply to your expectations.

That leaves BD which should tour Pakistan since they can (as there is no threat for them here) and we loose money hosting them in UAE.

How come?

 

[ali2220]

Pakistan, PCB, Diplomacy, Cool Heads , long Term ..... all in one post !!! Too much to handle for me.

I need my daily dose of just the opposite (the Way it is) damnit !!

PCB should take a lesson in hot headdresses, arrogance and stubbornness from bcci.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

This is an idealistic view of looking at the situation, not a realistic one.

You can't simply expect one Board to do what no other Board has done (barring the farce that is ZCB) and then threaten to sue when they don't comply to your expectations.



How come?

Come on seriously ??? They are not even a high value target to begin with......

 

[Abdullah719]

Come on seriously ??? They are not even a high value target to begin with......

I don't want to make this a discussion about terrorism but you know well that terrorist targets are not always going to be Westerners or dignitaries.

A BD tour would be a very high profile one and that alone would be a good enough reason for them to be a target.

I am not discussing the security aspect here, I think they could provide adequate security easily enough as they did for the PSL final.

But because of the above mentioned points, BCB can easily claim to have 'security concerns'.

 

[bleaf27]

PCB should take a lesson in hot headdresses, arrogance and stubbornness from bcci.

And also how to grow themselves into a position and to be strong enough to have the above mentioned qualities

 

[ali2220]

And also how to grow themselves into a position and to be strong enough to have the above mentioned qualities

Those are no qualities, no matter how strong one might be.Have you ever seen anyone admit to being stubborn and arrogant? on top describing it as one of his quality!

 

[bleaf27]

Those are no qualities, no matter how strong one might be.Have you ever seen anyone admit to being stubborn and arrogant? on top describing it as one of his quality!

Well firstly whether BCCI has those characteristics or not, you can't say for certain. if you think they do , that's your opinion not a fact. I disagree that BCCI displays that behavior.
and if you are so adamant that they act like that , might as well see it positively.

 

[ali2220]

Well firstly whether BCCI has those characteristics or not, you can't say for certain. if you think they do , that's your opinion not a fact. I disagree that BCCI displays that behavior.
and if you are so adamant that they act like that , might as well see it positively.

Positively...LOL , but didn't i say that Pcb should take a lesson from bcci on those stuff? than how was i negative about it?

 

[Shafi]

Bangladesh will only come when team like S Africa, Australia, Newzeland, England and India will visit then after BCCI, ICC, BD Government, BCB and public approval.

What is this new obsession of PCB first with India now Bangladesh. We should improve our domestic and selection procedures and then we make good ties with other boards. PCB needs a professional and strong minded chairman. Both Zaka and SK made fool of themselves by acting childish.

 

[ali2220]

Bangladesh will only come when team like S Africa, Australia, Newzeland, England and India will visit then after BCCI, ICC, BD Government, BCB and public approval.
.

Don't know when will it happen, and i don't want to sound rude, but whenever it happens, Bangladesh wont be required to tour atall.

 

[Executioner]

Very wll said. PCB is creating negative rep.

BCB wants to protect it's interest which is it's players.

Bangladesh is not a high value target? Bangladesh has some high profile players and is one of the most popular sports team in the subcontinent.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

I never hold BCCI responsible for anything, they do what they do to make sure their board and brand stays on top and they've been doing it pretty successfully for the past decade so Kudos to them.

Similarly we need to shed this moral high horse and use any dirty political means to corner someone into coming to Pakistan and then propagate that tour to establish a more friendlier view point of the country. If we need to arm twist Bangladesh in doing so then so be it.

I don't even care if they need to seal the Afghan border permanently to make this tour success. Just do it FGS !!

arm twisting makes enemies only. good policies and patience makes friends and serve own purpose.bd was created on that arm twisting. Do politics with brain than arm twisting friend

 

[MenInG]

Come on seriously ??? They are not even a high value target to begin with......

all human lives are the same.

A first international tour from a good side will attract attention.

 

[MenInG]

The main point of this thread is that we cannot be fighting with every board in the world on this issue. In doing so, we are losing friends in the ICC boards etc - play hard, yes but play smart.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

The main point of this thread is that we cannot be fighting with every board in the world on this issue. In doing so, we are losing friends in the ICC boards etc - play hard, yes but play smart.

Agreed

 

[sjahmed23]

PCB is still stuck in the 90s where it thinks Bangladesh will repay us for losing the wc game to allow them to get test entry. Bangladesh is looking after it's interests which is to appease India so they can have bilateral relationship with India which is way more lucrative than with Pakistan. The thing is Pakistan does not have any cards to play when it comes to asking teams to play in Pakistan, the only option they have is make money off PSL and eventually bring all of PSL back to Pakistan.

 

[Executioner]

PCB is still stuck in the 90s where it thinks Bangladesh will repay us for losing the wc game to allow them to get test entry. Bangladesh is looking after it's interests which is to appease India so they can have bilateral relationship with India which is way more lucrative than with Pakistan. The thing is Pakistan does not have any cards to play when it comes to asking teams to play in Pakistan, the only option they have is make money off PSL and eventually bring all of PSL back to Pakistan.

Why do you think BCB is trying to please BCCI when BCB has interest in playing Pakistan in UAE or in Bangladesh. BCB let's it's players play in the PSL. Allows Pakistan players in DPL and BPL.

So where in all this is the willingness to be BCCI's puppet. BCB is a rich board.

 

[DRsohail]

Why do you think BCB is trying to please BCCI when BCB has interest in playing Pakistan in UAE or in Bangladesh. BCB let's it's players play in the PSL. Allows Pakistan players in DPL and BPL.

So where in all this is the willingness to be BCCI's puppet. BCB is a rich board.

pakistan is not safe for international cricket ..ridiculous from pcb...unprofessionlsim on peak...BCB has been nice to pcb yess..

 

[JibranAnsari]

Pcbs attitude is poor , its one thing inviting teams to tour and then ridiculously threatening other boards for compensation. A time will come when teams wont even tour uae because of this attitude.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not that simple MIG, Bangladesh is currently being played by the cricket financial superpower, for Pakistan to come to a deal there would need to be a deal done which would suit all parties. We should perhaps accept that in cricket Pakistan doesn't have the clout that others do in this limited sphere.

How is BCCI involved here? Are they stopping all teams from visiting Pakistan?Or are BD supposed to do what no other team is willing to do?

Its easy to deflect blame on BCCI and say evil BCCI is doing this and sleep easy at night.

 

[R0H1T]

Those are no qualities, no matter how strong one might be.Have you ever seen anyone admit to being stubborn and arrogant? on top describing it as one of his quality!

Jiski laathi uski bhains, it works for BCCI just as it works for the US of A, Russia, China & to a lesser extent India; 'tis the most basic law of nature, try Darwin.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Pcbs attitude is poor , its one thing inviting teams to tour and then ridiculously threatening other boards for compensation. A time will come when teams wont even tour uae because of this attitude.

agreed

 

[jagatk]

OP is expecting sensible thinking and smart response from PCB, that is exactly opposite their MO, what i would like to know is who really gives legal advice to these muppets. Any lawyer could have told them most MoU's are not legally enforceable but they still wanted to sue india, but atleast in that case they had some cause, here it is hilarious to even contemplate suing BCB. Imagine having to go to the judge and explain to him why PCB deserve compensation for BCB not touring Pakistan, when no country in the world tours pakistan and pakistan don't want to ask BCB to tour UAE where every other country in the world has either already toured or been called to tour to play pakistan.

 

[Pete Rose]

We've alienated most of the boards during ijaz butt's time. Pcb now alienating those who were unspared then

 

[MenInG]

OP is expecting sensible thinking and smart response from PCB, that is exactly opposite their MO, what i would like to know is who really gives legal advice to these muppets. Any lawyer could have told them most MoU's are not legally enforceable but they still wanted to sue india, but atleast in that case they had some cause, here it is hilarious to even contemplate suing BCB. Imagine having to go to the judge and explain to him why PCB deserve compensation for BCB not touring Pakistan, when no country in the world tours pakistan and pakistan don't want to ask BCB to tour UAE where every other country in the world has either already toured or been called to tour to play pakistan.

I know!

but business matter should never be made personal and we seem to be doing that with our dealings with Bangladesh.

 

[Pakpak]

There is no mending anything as long as Haseena is PM. India already is a lost cause. But for other boards our relationships should be the best they can.

 

[Executioner]

There is no mending anything as long as Haseena is PM. India already is a lost cause. But for other boards our relationships should be the best they can.

Under haseena BPL and DPL was open to Pakistan players

Bangladesh also played several series with Pakistan at the same time.

Bangladesh also sent their players for PSL

 

[Saj]

For someone who was a diplomat, Shahryar is not very diplomatic with his words.

Can't seem to control his mouth.

 

[jagatk]

I know!

but business matter should never be made personal and we seem to be doing that with our dealings with Bangladesh.

I wholeheartedly agree with you on how you expect your national board to conduct itself, but to put it frankly PCB is run by morons to ever do that, they are acting like ****** and the only way one gets away with that behaviour is if one is powerful enough which PCB is not, they don't really have any support in ICC and this sort of behaviour is not likely to win any either.

 

[Major]

I would had agreed with OP, but then i realized that when the world t20 was happening in India and Pakistan said that they had security threats(which were genuine) ICC gave a very stern response to our board while when other boards had problem in travelling to bangladesh we didnt see such stern responses from icc to them.

Thing is, we cant act diplomatically anymore when we arnt treated that way either. Pakistan should try to arm twist the way others have been doing. No point of making friends here if they are of no use.

In reality there is no benefit to our cricket if we play bangladesh, be it UAE or Pakistan. But there is a benefit for us in terms of bringing some international crixket back to pakistan if we arm twist bangladesh to play in pakistan.

If we talk aboit diplomacy, then by that rule, sri lanka and bangladesh should be helping us out here as we did in the past.

 

[Major]

Pcbs attitude is poor , its one thing inviting teams to tour and then ridiculously threatening other boards for compensation. A time will come when teams wont even tour uae because of this attitude.

In reality such time wont come.

At the end of the day pakistan is as important to cricket as sri lanka and new zealand are to ICC and to other stakeholders involved

 

[Indiafan]

Not that simple MIG, Bangladesh is currently being played by the cricket financial superpower, for Pakistan to come to a deal there would need to be a deal done which would suit all parties. We should perhaps accept that in cricket Pakistan doesn't have the clout that others do in this limited sphere.

Proof of this? The big chip on your shoulder with regards to India doesn't count as proof

 

[jagatk]

I would had agreed with OP, but then i realized that when the world t20 was happening in India and Pakistan said that they had security threats(which were genuine) ICC gave a very stern response to our board while when other boards had problem in travelling to bangladesh we didnt see such stern responses from icc to them.

Thing is, we cant act diplomatically anymore when we arnt treated that way either. Pakistan should try to arm twist the way others have been doing. No point of making friends here if they are of no use.

In reality there is no benefit to our cricket if we play bangladesh, be it UAE or Pakistan. But there is a benefit for us in terms of bringing some international crixket back to pakistan if we arm twist bangladesh to play in pakistan.

If we talk aboit diplomacy, then by that rule, sri lanka and bangladesh should be helping us out here as we did in the past.

Can you please provide evidence regarding your " genuine security threats" because as far as i remember and know only threat pakistan team faced was from fringe right wing nuts who can't go beyond holding protest march especially when pakistan will be given best possible security.

 

[Dios]

Good thread. PCB should apologise to BCB for pulling these sort of stunts after every few months.

 

[JaDed]

Surely by now BCB has got used to the "annual" vilification by PCB and some of the fans on the very same reason.

 

[MenInG]

Good thread. PCB should apologise to BCB for pulling these sort of stunts after every few months.

No public apologies or posturing needed. This is the reason we are in a mess atm

 

[Markhor]

I don't understand why PCB is happy to host West Indies in UAE yet insists Bangladesh tour them in Pakistan as they'd supposedly lose money in UAE.

Bangladeshis constitute the largest migrant population in the Emirates after India and Pakistan so you can't tell me such a series couldn't draw crowds. After a series in UAE and building goodwill, you can then offer maybe a one off T20 to be played in Pakistan and go from there.

Its not as if Bangladesh are completely averse to touring Pakistan - they toured us twice in 2003 (15 months after the Karachi blast outside the NZ team hotel) and 2008. Let the security situation improve more first, we've seen terrorists still able to strike major cities like Lahore recently.

 

[zyrus]

The whole not safe thing is just a cover to not play with Pakistan. Money talks! UK's been bombed as badly as any other country, but people are ok with playing there. Its just an excuse by other boards to please ICC+BCCI. Pakistan need to stand hard and create an alternative to ICC with maximum number of countries so that BCCI can be shut down for good and game can be saved.

 

[Ph_11]

Threatening everyone with a lawsuit wont win you friends.

 

[Hawkeye]

Pcbs attitude is poor , its one thing inviting teams to tour and then ridiculously threatening other boards for compensation. A time will come when teams wont even tour uae because of this attitude.

I see this rhetoric being repeated by you in every thread.

Tell me what the compensation is for? You have NO friggin' idea yet keep on repeating the broken record.

It's NOT FOR declining the invite!! It's for not doing a return tour when they had promised to do !

agreed

 

[Hawkeye]

Surely by now BCB has got used to the "annual" vilification by PCB and some of the fans on the very same reason.

Clowns in the PCB, only hot air.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

PCB has always been open and friendly. We have helped Afghanistan and Bangladesh and other associates. Always ready to play anywhere. During Sri Lankan civil war bomb blasts went off nearby but Pakistani players stood their ground and played on.

How much more can PCB possibly do?

 

[bleaf27]

Positively...LOL , but didn't i say that Pcb should take a lesson from bcci on those stuff? than how was i negative about it?

You aren't good with Sarcasm much eh ? In my opinion BCCI does not behave that way let alone someone else to follow them.

 

[JibranAnsari]

I see this rhetoric being repeated by you in every thread.

Tell me what the compensation is for? You have NO friggin' idea yet keep on repeating the broken record.

It's NOT FOR declining the invite!! It's for not doing a return tour when they had promised to do !

Why not invite them to a place where they do not fear for their life and can not find any sound basis to decline the tour , I dont think you have any idea that people value their lives and avoid situations where they can potentially die.

 

[the Great Khan]

PCB has always been open and friendly. We have helped Afghanistan and Bangladesh and other associates. Always ready to play anywhere. During Sri Lankan civil war bomb blasts went off nearby but Pakistani players stood their ground and played on.

How much more can PCB possibly do?

They cant do much more. We have successfully staged a major final with international players, we have hosted another international team previously too, the BCB is willing to send a sort of B team to play our sort of B team so thats a start. What more can we do? this boycott must end but as Ive said before there are vested interests here and its now about money. Pakistan cannot be allowed to have a vibrant cricket market, it just cannot. Why? well just look at our history when it comes to cricket. We have always influenced international circket in the board room. Imagine a powerful PCB. Just think about it for a second. A powerful PCB with a massive cricket watching public with a history behind it. A PCB with a successful domestiv franchise league with money coming in. With our young tv/mobile watching public crazy about cricket our viewing figures are already pretty good, imagine if we had teams playing here?

sorry but for some people its too much to swallow!!

 

[tomato]

A PCB with a successful domestiv franchise league with money coming in. With our young tv/mobile watching public crazy about cricket our viewing figures are already pretty good, imagine if we had teams playing here?

sorry but for some people its too much to swallow!!

PCB should have started PPL in Pakistan in 2009 itself. IPL started in 2008.

 

[the Great Khan]

PCB should have started PPL in Pakistan in 2009 itself. IPL started in 2008.

Actually we could have started in 2008 or yes in 2009. However at the time we had a dentist leading the PCB who was more worried about players praying than playing and who had essentially banned half the team for various stupid reasons, one being to cow-tow to the BCCI thinking it would offer the PCB some imaginary benefit. Alas the rest is history.